FabSwingers.com forum: Not looking for single guys

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So I woke up at 5am,day off work of course,so decided to put my finger to work,and 300 profile search later everyone"NOT LOOKING FOR SINGLE GUYS" Even single females aren't looking for single guys,I guess we need singles only fab site

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By *ouble Trouble 1000Couple
over a year ago

ireland

And just like lots of singles are not looking to meet couples -such is life and people's right to their choices .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think profiles have that to deter the influx of messages from gentlemen.

You don’t seem to be doing so bad OP so keep up the good work and keep your chin up.

Psyche

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Think profiles have that to deter the influx of messages from gentlemen.

You don’t seem to be doing so bad OP so keep up the good work and keep your chin up.

Psyche

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I'm definitely not complaining,just wondering what the heck is going on

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By *uriousPearCouple
over a year ago

dublin 5

A singles only fab site?

Surely that is just tinder or POF.

I'm probably going to be lambasted for this but a single person having sex with another single person is not swinging.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its easier for us to go looking than to open our profile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A singles only fab site?

Surely that is just tinder or POF.

I'm probably going to be lambasted for this but a single person having sex with another single person is not swinging."

I cant see why you would be lambasted for that your not wrong...

But shhhhhh there are a few of us on here that arent actually swingers

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A singles only fab site?

Surely that is just tinder or POF.

I'm probably going to be lambasted for this but a single person having sex with another single person is not swinging."
so I have to get married to be notified as a swinger,this isn't a day or a life job you know

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A singles only fab site?

Surely that is just tinder or POF.

I'm probably going to be lambasted for this but a single person having sex with another single person is not swinging.

I cant see why you would be lambasted for that your not wrong...

But shhhhhh there are a few of us on here that arent actually swingers

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yes cause we are not all swinger's and we all really don't have to be

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Its easier for us to go looking than to open our profile.

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what??????????????????????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Share a thought for us couples ... when we have a look at the “near me now” out of the 50 or so results we usually end up with 1couple 2TVs and 0 ladies with the rest being men ... what r we to do???

On another note, we get confused when A guy with a single profile messages us and we reply, sorry, no single guys and they answer us with “but I’m not single, I’m married” lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By *uriousPearCouple
over a year ago

dublin 5

"so I have to get married to be notified as a swinger,this isn't a day or a life job you know"

No not at all but two individual single (as in unnattached or without their partner's knowledge) having sex are just two people having casual sex.

Given the site name, it baffles me when I see profiles on here that are just looking for a singular person of the opposite sex to meet.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Share a thought for us couples ... when we have a look at the “near me now” out of the 50 or so results we usually end up with 1couple 2TVs and 0 ladies with the rest being men ... what r we to do???

On another note, we get confused when A guy with a single profile messages us and we reply, sorry, no single guys and they answer us with “but I’m not single, I’m married” lol"
Now that is confusing and not at the same time,you should simply ask them to bring there partner along,that should sort it I guess

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so I have to get married to be notified as a swinger,this isn't a day or a life job you know

No not at all but two individual single (as in unnattached or without their partner's knowledge) having sex are just two people having casual sex.

Given the site name, it baffles me when I see profiles on here that are just looking for a singular person of the opposite sex to meet. "
you really don't have to take it personal you know "it baffles you" have you heard of live and let live

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By *uriousPearCouple
over a year ago

dublin 5

"so I have to get married to be notified as a swinger,this isn't a day or a life job you know

No not at all but two individual single (as in unnattached or without their partner's knowledge) having sex are just two people having casual sex.

Given the site name, it baffles me when I see profiles on here that are just looking for a singular person of the opposite sex to meet. you really don't have to take it personal you know "it baffles you" have you heard of live and let live

You love trying to start an argument.

Considering people may not be interested in meeting single men how about you consider the mantra of live and let live.

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple
over a year ago

Chester

"A singles only fab site?

Surely that is just tinder or POF.

I'm probably going to be lambasted for this but a single person having sex with another single person is not swinging."

Exactly this

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so I have to get married to be notified as a swinger,this isn't a day or a life job you know

No not at all but two individual single (as in unnattached or without their partner's knowledge) having sex are just two people having casual sex.

You love trying to start an argument.

Considering people may not be interested in meeting single men how about you consider the mantra of live and let live.

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have a nice day

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By *uriousPearCouple
over a year ago

dublin 5

We must be like kryptonite to conversation.

Sorry if our contribution perhaps stopped whichever single lady it is that you're trying to attract from interacting.

Maybe start another thread just for singles?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We must be like kryptonite to conversation.

Sorry if our contribution perhaps stopped whichever single lady it is that you're trying to attract from interacting.

Maybe start another thread just for singles? "
I said "have a nice day"is that too difficult for to understand,jizz who's trying to start an argument now,I have better things to do today please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We must be like kryptonite to conversation.

Sorry if our contribution perhaps stopped whichever single lady it is that you're trying to attract from interacting.

Maybe start another thread just for singles? "

Like that one the other day for bi people? Or others I've seen for couples gays etc, alot of single men here will take a one on one scenario but dosnt mean their not open to group,kink and other sexual activities associated with the swinging world...

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By *ornyDubMan25Man
over a year ago

Berlin

To be fair I completely understand why people block single guys, some of the messages I get are crazy and I'm a straight male! Sucks for the genuine lads around here but not much we can do!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A singles only fab site?

Surely that is just tinder or POF.

I'm probably going to be lambasted for this but a single person having sex with another single person is not swinging.so I have to get married to be notified as a swinger,this isn't a day or a life job you know"

You don't have to be married, single people can and do swing, but two singles hooking up (nothing wrong with it) is, in my opinion, not swinging.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A singles only fab site?

Surely that is just tinder or POF.

You don't have to be married, single people can and do swing, but two singles hooking up (nothing wrong with it) is, in my opinion, not swinging. "
she/ just just changed the op to be honest,99.9% of singles on fab has in the profile"looking to meet couples and singles" so I don't know what she's baffling about,I even said have a nice day,he/she kept looking for arguments.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger?? "

It's debatable but by definition well the commonly accepted one then no

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger?? "
the post wasn't about swinging or swinger's,I don't know why she brought swinging into it, people couldn't even have a laugh around here anymore,I was only messing around because nothing to do this morning,I don't even meet singles,my verification are all couples.

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

"Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger?? "

Thats exactly what i am and i dont class myself as a swinger..1 on 1 meets only

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger??

It's debatable but by definition well the commonly accepted one then no"

I wouldnt even think its debatable really.

I wouldnt consider myself a swinger as I no longer have any interest in meeting couples or going to swing clubs.

I just think fab has evolved beyond being soley a swing site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger??

It's debatable but by definition well the commonly accepted one then no

I wouldnt even think its debatable really.

I wouldnt consider myself a swinger as I no longer have any interest in meeting couples or going to swing clubs.

I just think fab has evolved beyond being soley a swing site"

Ah the definition of swinging in Ireland has evolved due to a varied scene

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger??

It's debatable but by definition well the commonly accepted one then no

I wouldnt even think its debatable really.

I wouldnt consider myself a swinger as I no longer have any interest in meeting couples or going to swing clubs.

I just think fab has evolved beyond being soley a swing site

Ah the definition of swinging in Ireland has evolved due to a varied scene "

It KILLS me. But I have to agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger??

It's debatable but by definition well the commonly accepted one then no

I wouldnt even think its debatable really.

I wouldnt consider myself a swinger as I no longer have any interest in meeting couples or going to swing clubs.

I just think fab has evolved beyond being soley a swing site

Ah the definition of swinging in Ireland has evolved due to a varied scene "

I retract my previous statement clearly anything can be debated.

In my opinion I dont think a single person soley looking for causual sex with another single person can in anyway be defined as a swinger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger??

It's debatable but by definition well the commonly accepted one then no

I wouldnt even think its debatable really.

I wouldnt consider myself a swinger as I no longer have any interest in meeting couples or going to swing clubs.

I just think fab has evolved beyond being soley a swing site

Ah the definition of swinging in Ireland has evolved due to a varied scene

It KILLS me. But I have to agree "

Agreeing with me or the statement in general

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger??

It's debatable but by definition well the commonly accepted one then no

I wouldnt even think its debatable really.

I wouldnt consider myself a swinger as I no longer have any interest in meeting couples or going to swing clubs.

I just think fab has evolved beyond being soley a swing site

Ah the definition of swinging in Ireland has evolved due to a varied scene

It KILLS me. But I have to agree

Agreeing with me or the statement in general "

No no. Agreeing with you specifically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger??

It's debatable but by definition well the commonly accepted one then no

I wouldnt even think its debatable really.

I wouldnt consider myself a swinger as I no longer have any interest in meeting couples or going to swing clubs.

I just think fab has evolved beyond being soley a swing site

Ah the definition of swinging in Ireland has evolved due to a varied scene

It KILLS me. But I have to agree

Agreeing with me or the statement in general

No no. Agreeing with you specifically.

I make valid points the odd time

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger??

It's debatable but by definition well the commonly accepted one then no

I wouldnt even think its debatable really.

I wouldnt consider myself a swinger as I no longer have any interest in meeting couples or going to swing clubs.

I just think fab has evolved beyond being soley a swing site

Ah the definition of swinging in Ireland has evolved due to a varied scene

It KILLS me. But I have to agree

Agreeing with me or the statement in general

No no. Agreeing with you specifically.

I make valid points the odd time

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Thats debatable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seriously though, If you are single and only interested in single people are you a swinger??

It's debatable but by definition well the commonly accepted one then no

I wouldnt even think its debatable really.

I wouldnt consider myself a swinger as I no longer have any interest in meeting couples or going to swing clubs.

I just think fab has evolved beyond being soley a swing site

Ah the definition of swinging in Ireland has evolved due to a varied scene

It KILLS me. But I have to agree

Agreeing with me or the statement in general

No no. Agreeing with you specifically.

I make valid points the odd time

Thats debatable

True the validity of many of my comments are subjective

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By *uriousPearCouple
over a year ago

dublin 5

It's pretty shitty that the OP is suggesting that I'm looking for an argument. A discussion would be nice and given that this is a forum on a site that is called fabswingers and the post is about how many profiles don't want to meet single men.

We've been knocking about the swing scene for about 8 years and it sucks that is has become impossible to have a discussion with people about the lifestyle in the forum.

A different if opinion is what make the world a wonderful place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's pretty shitty that the OP is suggesting that I'm looking for an argument. A discussion would be nice and given that this is a forum on a site that is called fabswingers and the post is about how many profiles don't want to meet single men.

We've been knocking about the swing scene for about 8 years and it sucks that is has become impossible to have a discussion with people about the lifestyle in the forum.

A different if opinion is what make the world a wonderful place. "

Alot of people don't like a difference of opinion and will throw their toys out of the pram

I'd just ignore it

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By *uriousPearCouple
over a year ago

dublin 5

Yeah, that's the best thing to do. I guess I'm just whinging about the lack of a good discussion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, that's the best thing to do. I guess I'm just whinging about the lack of a good discussion. "

Unfortunately I don't think it can be found on the forums anymore

a good debate is great and as they say stimulate the mind and the rest will follow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah, that's the best thing to do. I guess I'm just whinging about the lack of a good discussion.

Unfortunately I don't think it can be found on the forums anymore

a good debate is great and as they say stimulate the mind and the rest will follow"
The biggest problem on the forums is people have no sense of humour anymore.

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By *omDubCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Cork

We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles here"

Well if this is your view I'm glad it isn't up to you

No but I see what you mean but it seems you've just been unlucky but ya people can not be into singles too and that's okay but I wouldn't go as far as banning us

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles here"
maybe if you stop meeting dickhead singles,or maybe your profile said something about people you met.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles here"

Tough

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By *angero3aMan
over a year ago

swords

yes hard for single guys on here most just want a chance. me trying to find a nice married couple impossible so far.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles here"

Maybe choosing men instead of lads might help?

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By *oseredWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

Can see all sides of this. I am here because I enjoy the lifestyle, but I'm single, so therefore I thought it would be the ideal place to meet a partner also interested in the lifestyle. If it were limited to only couples, induviduals interested in meeting other likeminded individuals would not be able to find a partner. Group fun is also nit limited to couples, does that come under the heading of swinging? Ultimately everyone on the site will use it for what suites them but I joined it because of the name.

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By *ensualandslow321Man
over a year ago

Tullamore

Basically OP you are in the passenger seat and others have control. Might be an idea not to limit yourself purely to Fab and join a few other sites.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Basically OP you are in the passenger seat and others have control. Might be an idea not to limit yourself purely to Fab and join a few other sites."
what are you talking about??

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By *ensualandslow321Man
over a year ago

Tullamore

"Basically OP you are in the passenger seat and others have control. Might be an idea not to limit yourself purely to Fab and join a few other sites.what are you talking about??

Talking to the converted

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles here

Maybe choosing men instead of lads might help? "
Exactly

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Basically OP you are in the passenger seat and others have control. Might be an idea not to limit yourself purely to Fab and join a few other sites.what are you talking about??

Talking to the converted

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Join a few other site,you think looking for swinger's sites is all that matters in life?

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By *omDubCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Cork

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles here

Maybe choosing men instead of lads might help? "

As for our experience, that didn't matter. We've stopped going to regular club meets due to men of ALL AGES not respecting a thing.

Maybe we are unfair to the few fellas that know what this is about, but that's how things are.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles here"
what the actual fook? You are obviously surrounding yourself with the wrong people or something.

And yes there is some absolute creeps on here but that doesn’t just mean single lads, some of the male halfs of couples are fucking filth also.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles here

Maybe choosing men instead of lads might help?

As for our experience, that didn't matter. We've stopped going to regular club meets due to men of ALL AGES not respecting a thing.

Maybe we are unfair to the few fellas that know what this is about, but that's how things are."

And that's why the site is good, you can avoid the clubs and pick out men yourself.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles here

Maybe choosing men instead of lads might help?

As for our experience, that didn't matter. We've stopped going to regular club meets due to men of ALL AGES not respecting a thing.

Maybe we are unfair to the few fellas that know what this is about, but that's how things are."
you even stopped going to clubs, you're isolating yourself, because of what,I think you should take a look at yourselves, because men of all ages can't be the same of have same attitude.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles herewhat the actual fook? You are obviously surrounding yourself with the wrong people or something.

And yes there is some absolute creeps on here but that doesn’t just mean single lads, some of the male halfs of couples are fucking filth also."

And not just the males

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles herewhat the actual fook? You are obviously surrounding yourself with the wrong people or something.

And yes there is some absolute creeps on here but that doesn’t just mean single lads, some of the male halfs of couples are fucking filth also."
"male Half's of couples"so you mean women can never do wrong?anyways I'm only joking

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles herewhat the actual fook? You are obviously surrounding yourself with the wrong people or something.

And yes there is some absolute creeps on here but that doesn’t just mean single lads, some of the male halfs of couples are fucking filth also."male Half's of couples"so you mean women can never do wrong?anyways I'm only joking

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Fuck you

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Basically OP you are in the passenger seat and others have control. Might be an idea not to limit yourself purely to Fab and join a few other sites.what are you talking about??

Talking to the converted

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Again what the heck you talking about??

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles herewhat the actual fook? You are obviously surrounding yourself with the wrong people or something.

Fuck you

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ok I'll accept that from, only from you because you my pal

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By *omDubCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Cork

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles herewhat the actual fook? You are obviously surrounding yourself with the wrong people or something.

And yes there is some absolute creeps on here but that doesn’t just mean single lads, some of the male halfs of couples are fucking filth also."

Of course there can be bad apples in any basket, but we were talking about them fellas atm (And we are a bit radical about it, we are aware of it)

We both think that it has also been a matter of bad luck to have suffered a couple incidents with pushy fellas, but since it happened and after talking with several other couples about it we've seen that the best way to go about this is to be harsh af and say everything clearly.

It's a pity that guys that can be the nicest have to be treated like the morons that make the most noise, but that's how things are unfortunately.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles herewhat the actual fook? You are obviously surrounding yourself with the wrong people or something.

Fuck you

ok I'll accept that from, only from you because you my pal

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hugs xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We'd absolutely love to have this separated between couples and singles, as every time that a single lad has been around it has been awkward or the boundaries weren't respected.

Tbh, if it was up to us, there wouldn't be any singles herewhat the actual fook? You are obviously surrounding yourself with the wrong people or something.

Fuck you

ok I'll accept that from, only from you because you my pal

hugs xx"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A singles only fab site?

Surely that is just tinder or POF.

You don't have to be married, single people can and do swing, but two singles hooking up (nothing wrong with it) is, in my opinion, not swinging. "

completely agree with yas on that. if a single is solely here to meet other singles they arent swingers.

also there was a sister site to this called fabsingles. not sure if its still around.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A singles only fab site?

Surely that is just tinder or POF.

You don't have to be married, single people can and do swing, but two singles hooking up (nothing wrong with it) is, in my opinion, not swinging.

completely agree with yas on that. if a single is solely here to meet other singles they arent swingers.

also there was a sister site to this called fabsingles. not sure if its still around."

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By *oft_sexy_sweetWoman
over a year ago

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"A singles only fab site?

Surely that is just tinder or POF.

You don't have to be married, single people can and do swing, but two singles hooking up (nothing wrong with it) is, in my opinion, not swinging.

completely agree with yas on that. if a single is solely here to meet other singles they arent swingers.

also there was a sister site to this called fabsingles. not sure if its still around."

I tend to think that being a swinger is more of an orientation, a bit like being poly, or kinky - so it's definitely possible to be a swinger who's just not currently in a relationship.

I agree that two single people hooking up isn't swinging, but they still might both be swingers!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A singles only fab site?

Surely that is just tinder or POF.

You don't have to be married, single people can and do swing, but two singles hooking up (nothing wrong with it) is, in my opinion, not swinging.

completely agree with yas on that. if a single is solely here to meet other singles they arent swingers.

also there was a sister site to this called fabsingles. not sure if its still around.

I tend to think that being a swinger is more of an orientation, a bit like being poly, or kinky - so it's definitely possible to be a swinger who's just not currently in a relationship.

I agree that two single people hooking up isn't swinging, but they still might both be swingers! "

which is your opinion. we might not agree with your opinion but such is life. if everyone had the same opinion the world would be a boring place to say the least

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A singles only fab site?

Surely that is just tinder or POF.

You don't have to be married, single people can and do swing, but two singles hooking up (nothing wrong with it) is, in my opinion, not swinging.

completely agree with yas on that. if a single is solely here to meet other singles they arent swingers.

also there was a sister site to this called fabsingles. not sure if its still around.

I tend to think that being a swinger is more of an orientation, a bit like being poly, or kinky - so it's definitely possible to be a swinger who's just not currently in a relationship.

I agree that two single people hooking up isn't swinging, but they still might both be swingers!

which is your opinion. we might not agree with your opinion but such is life. if everyone had the same opinion the world would be a boring place to say the least"

So if a swinger falls in the forest but there is no hotwife for him to fall on has he in fact swung

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