FabSwingers.com forum: Self worth

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

How highly do you value yourself?

Reading the forums there seems to be such a mix bag of people, some who are confident and aren’t afraid to ask for what they want, which I read as them being happy in their own skin and believing themselves worthy. Then there are others who seem to be so much less so and maybe don’t believe they are entitled to the same levels of joy and happiness as others and I wonder why that might be?

Why is it some people value themselves more highly then others?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How highly do you value yourself?

Why is it some people value themselves more highly then others?"

I am deeply in love with myself

As to why? I would say a huge amount of factors.. how you were raised, mental health, current life situations, your circle of friends and family......

I think we also all go through highs and lows in our own valuations of ourselves at times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Self confidence

You either have it or you don't

I don't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My self worth has been at the bottom of the pile for the last 40 yrs. Only in last few yrs have I started to believe I'm worthy of things. Why? Mental health, things that happened in my life, constantly compared to other people etc, getting pregnant at a young age and raising a kid alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Self confidence

You either have it or you don't

I don't"

Exactly this,i do believe some people have alot more self confidence than others. I know for myself looking through some profiles there are some i wont message or interact with because i dont see the point in wasting their time because i know we are not gonna be to everyones liking,i also dont like to put myself out there much just to be told your flaws. Mrs Hld

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By *antra MassageMan
over a year ago

South Side.

I consider myself successful at what I've done in my life. I don't measure it by money, more how I've influenced others or made life better for others. . So, family, the work I do, my positive self esteem, affirmation from others,my good health,.. And I don't live in Venezuela right now.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So much has to do with what is learnt from our parents I guess. I grew up in a home where no ambition was considered too lofty or unattainable. It was only when I grew to adulthood that I realised my parents were possibly “a little” biased!!

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By *angtasticallyMan
over a year ago

Drogheda

To have self worth you most learn to.love yourself before others and that not going shopping are b vain it an inside job love from the inside out mind body and soul.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I was young I was very lacking in self-confidence, having been through quite a lot in the last couple of decades, I've realised that I'm pretty OK really, and quite resilient.

Everyone may not like me, and I'm fine with that too. I am not afraid to stand up for myself, express my opinions and ask for what I want. I know I am worth it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So much has to do with what is learnt from our parents I guess. I grew up in a home where no ambition was considered too lofty or unattainable. It was only when I grew to adulthood that I realised my parents were possibly “a little” biased!! "

I agree with this, and a lot of parents I think are guilty of constantly pressuring belittling or criticising children. It's not that they don't love them, it's a fear of outside judgement stemming from their own insecurities.

I don't think that praising them to the high heavens is a good idea either, but don't forget to applaud the positives. Too often we only give feedback when it is negative. For a child this creates an inner voice continually telling them that they're not good enough. It took me decades to silence that voice gifted to me by my upbringing.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I had my fun and that's all that matters

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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I love this question.

For my 20s and 30s id such poor self worth. Down to both my own mindset and some of the people in my life. Only one person could change that ..stay as you are or do something to change. I opted for change.

Ive used self help, councilling, running, gratitude, journaling. I know my worth, i know what i want, im not ashamed of that.

What ive found though here is that while some men, mainly older more experienced men revel in this confidence, some younger men are threatened by it and can be,lets say, quite unpleasant when turned down. Maybe its lack of confidence/self belief/ self worth on their part. Id firmly believe if someone lashes out at you to cause hurt it says more about whats going on with them.

This of course is just my own opinion and based on my own experience.

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By *easingTimMan
over a year ago

Loughlinstown

I think it all comes down to "self concept" or how you see yourself. I've met very attractive people who think "Who'd be interested in me?" and guess what happens???

Exactly that

Then you might meet someone else who's not as physically attractive yet is warm, chatty, great craic and a result oozes sexiness

So would have to say sexiness is a state of mind and and having a healthy positive self image (without becoming a narcissist prat

) opens up more doors and opportunities in life...

Also, a healthy self image can be developed

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

Let me ask you this. Do you think some people are out of your league?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let me ask you this. Do you think some people are out of your league?"

Out of my league no. Some people arw just playing a different sport that will never gel

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Let me ask you this. Do you think some people are out of your league?"

Dunno who the question is directed at but in strict physical terms, yes there are loads of people on here who are well and truly out of my league but that’s ok, I’m a realist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is 99% of the time relative to your formative years. Mine personally were shit-broken home and the stigma it carried in the 80s rural Ireland.Add in bullying and the snowball effect that had on my life made my self perception quite poor. It's taken 18 years of independent living and a lot of learning curves to get to a happy point in life.

I'm sure that's a common story and I guess it's just reiterating what's already been said...a good start and positive parenting go a long way.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"Let me ask you this. Do you think some people are out of your league?

Dunno who the question is directed at but in strict physical terms, yes there are loads of people on here who are well and truly out of my league but that’s ok, I’m a realist

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it's an open question. Anyone can answer it.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

Also If you're in a bar would you have the confidence to go and talk to anybody who took your fancy?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Let me ask you this. Do you think some people are out of your league?

Dunno who the question is directed at but in strict physical terms, yes there are loads of people on here who are well and truly out of my league but that’s ok, I’m a realist

Just to be clear it doesn’t stop me chancing my arm anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’d have a very low self worth and almost zero confidence but I’m steadoly improving with therapy and counselling

Most of it stems from childhood and the way i was raised (narcissistic parent )believing Me and anything I done or achaving wan never good enough and I’ve carried that on to adulthood

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they valued themselves they wouldn't be here sleeping around to make themselves feel good whilst falling in love n becoming obsessed with every second guy they meet. The men sre just here because they are horn bags that will fuck anything

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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A very broad statment based on what reality ??? The "they" you refer to is i presume women. I think you need to look at yourself and maybe allow all of us women speak for ourselves.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"If they valued themselves they wouldn't be here sleeping around to make themselves feel good whilst falling in love n becoming obsessed with every second guy they meet. The men sre just here because they are horn bags that will fuck anything "
I most certainly won't fuck anything but you are right, alot of men will just for a realese. "Every holes a goal".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they valued themselves they wouldn't be here sleeping around to make themselves feel good whilst falling in love n becoming obsessed with every second guy they meet. The men sre just here because they are horn bags that will fuck anything I most certainly won't fuck anything but you are right, alot of men will just for a realese. "Every holes a goal"."

He’s far from right though on his assumption about women.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Slight correction there my friend, I’m only here cos I’m a horn bag (though in my defence I wouldn’t fuck anything

), I just wish the needy men wouldn’t keep falling in love with me!

MsB x

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"If they valued themselves they wouldn't be here sleeping around to make themselves feel good whilst falling in love n becoming obsessed with every second guy they meet. The men sre just here because they are horn bags that will fuck anything I most certainly won't fuck anything but you are right, alot of men will just for a realese. "Every holes a goal".

He’s far from right though on his assumption about women. "
wouldn't agree with his first part

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Slight correction there my friend, I’m only here cos I’m a horn bag (though in my defence I wouldn’t fuck anything

), I just wish the needy men wouldn’t keep falling in love with me!

MsB x"

No sorry Ms you clearly are deeply unhappy and trying to fill the love hole with cock....

Still love ya though

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No sorry Ms you clearly are deeply unhappy and trying to fill the love hole with cock....

Still love ya though

I refer you to my earlier post... I will continue to chance my arm to that end

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can relate to this on so many levels

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Self worth can definitely be learned. Sure, the easter bunny/santa/god/becoming an astronaut is a crushing lie to deal with growing up.

If people make you feel shit, move on. Counselling has lost its stigma, benefit from it!

I could barely pick up a telephone and then I was forced by the dole to work in a radio station and ended up with my own show. I was TRAINED to be confident.

Swinging has been amazing too, I never realised I had a magic touch until a few steaming hot women had told me!

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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"Self worth can definitely be learned. Sure, the easter bunny/santa/god/becoming an astronaut is a crushing lie to deal with growing up.

If people make you feel shit, move on. Counselling has lost its stigma, benefit from it!

I could barely pick up a telephone and then I was forced by the dole to work in a radio station and ended up with my own show. I was TRAINED to be confident.

Swinging has been amazing too, I never realised I had a magic touch until a few steaming hot women had told me!

Self worth can be learned ..it has to be learned and if your wise you'll learn and use every tool available to you. Your right, you train your mind to believe in yourself and when your mind knows your actions will follow

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By *laymates30Couple
over a year ago

The West

I think most people with a fairly high sense of self-worth would attribute it to their upbringing.

Both of us would fit into this category and we both find ourselves attracted to similar people, regardless of age or looks.

People who value themselves, usually have a positive outlook on life which is very attractive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People who value themselves, usually have a positive outlook on life which is very attractive."

It sure is! When you first meet another couple and you get that vibe it's powerful. Essential really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How highly do you value yourself?

Why is it some people value themselves more highly then others?"

Its very hard to be confident in this society. Our beauty standards are so unbelievably unrealistic and social media has completely fucked wuth our ideas of reality. I think some people are lucky enough to be naturally confident and somehow immune to all of that. Some of us have to work hard every single day to love ourselves and maintain a strong sense of self worth. Totally worth the effort of course, but it's not easy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as above,

We as a couple are convinced that avoiding all social media has a huge impact on our positive mental health.

Give up yer aul' facebook.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"as above,

We as a couple are convinced that avoiding all social media has a huge impact on our positive mental health.

Give up yer aul' facebook."

I actually disagree. I know that everyone likes to blame social media. Sure I just did it myself! But I think that by curating your social feeds v intentionally, it can have a massively positive effect on your MH.

I did this a couple of years ago after a v low point MH wise. I unfollowed every single account that made me feel bad about myself and replaced them all with body positivity/self love/MH accounts. It was really transformative for me.

Social media is just a tool like any other I think. It's effect on you totally depends on how you use it in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"as above,

We as a couple are convinced that avoiding all social media has a huge impact on our positive mental health.

Give up yer aul' facebook."

would agree wholeheartedly, it's no surprise that a huge proportion of young adults now are suffering from anxiety and depression, constantly feeling under scrutiny and comparing oneself to others is very damaging.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Social media is just a tool like any other I think. It's effect on you totally depends on how you use it in my opinion. "

Fair point. Perhaps if you're in a good space it's easier to use it as a tool like that?? I personally found it just created a delusional bubble in the fields I'm interested in. And used up a lot of time, like this forum!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Social media is just a tool like any other I think. It's effect on you totally depends on how you use it in my opinion.

Yeah maybe. Thankfully there's been a big rise in social media influencers who do more than just post pictures of cute girls in cute outfits. They don't just try to influence what you buy but also how you think and feel about yourself. There are so many now who talk about things like MH, self care, body confidence etc. They can be really really empowering.

I can only speak from my experience obviously. But there are a few accounts that genuinely saved me when I was at my lowest point in my life.

Definitely following whoever's the influencer du jour can be really damaging to MH though.

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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"as above,

We as a couple are convinced that avoiding all social media has a huge impact on our positive mental health.

Give up yer aul' facebook.

Social media is just a tool like any other I think. It's effect on you totally depends on how you use it in my opinion. "

Ive done this is well. I only follow accounts that bring value to my life and make me smile. Its really helped my in having a better outlook on myself and my body

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

Confidence and self worth are not the same thing, but closely related.

Self worth is what you value yourself as.

Confidence is the ability to go for something or not.

Lots of people have a medium to low self worth, but their confidence allows them to bluff it and go for higher than they think they are worth.

Some people their confidence and self worth line up.

Some people their low confidence makes them believe they are worth little.

and some people believe they are worth medium to high value but settle for less as they simply do not have the confidence to follow it through, maybe too shy.

To give you an example, a girl could see my profile, like my pics, read my posts, laugh and think I am interesting, then think "this is exactly the type of guy i deserve", then never ever ever ever even say hello to me, and instead say hello to someone they view as slightly lower value than themselves, as they would be more confident of a positive reply.

Self worth is based on how honest you are with yourself. If you have a guy telling you are not worth much you will start to believe it, if you have crap parents you will believe you are worth too much.

Most of us are medium value, and high value to them people that we click with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"as above,

We as a couple are convinced that avoiding all social media has a huge impact on our positive mental health.

Give up yer aul' facebook.

Social media is just a tool like any other I think. It's effect on you totally depends on how you use it in my opinion.

Ive done this is well. I only follow accounts that bring value to my life and make me smile. Its really helped my in having a better outlook on myself and my body "

*kisses x

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I learned to love myself at an early age.

The parish priest used to tell me if I didn't stop it I'd go blind.

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

xxx

"I learned to love myself at an early age.

The parish priest used to tell me if I didn't stop it I'd go blind.

I hope your loving yourself still on a regular basis

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"I learned to love myself at an early age.

The parish priest used to tell me if I didn't stop it I'd go blind.

I hope your loving yourself still on a regular basis "

Nobody loves me as much as I do

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

xxx

"I learned to love myself at an early age.

The parish priest used to tell me if I didn't stop it I'd go blind.

I hope your loving yourself still on a regular basis

Nobody loves me as much as I do

Everyone should love you

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"I learned to love myself at an early age.

The parish priest used to tell me if I didn't stop it I'd go blind.

I hope your loving yourself still on a regular basis

Nobody loves me as much as I do

Everyone should love you

I've been saying that for years

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford

There are parts of my personality that I constantly try to work with. An example is I can get very lazy very easily and I just happen to believe think laziness isn't a good trait to have. So that part of me I'm not happy with, but as I said, I'm happy that I am aware of it and I work at the issue.

In terms of overall personality, then yeah, I'm a decent lad, I do right by people and I like to think I'm not a c**t.

Have I done shitty things during my life? Absolutely but I have the awareness to know it and learn from it.

I get on well with people and have been told I'm easy to be around and I'm sure that people enjoy my company. I'm not arrogant in any way, but yes, I am definitely confident in the person I have become.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Life and circumstances can change a person. I do know my own worth and what I am capable of.

But some events have literally thrown me into doubt about you I was,But over time. I am fighting every day to remember that I have worth,and to remember that I am not responsible for How others see me or act towards me. But how I handle it. I am a Suicide Survivor .And I am grateful for been alive each day and literally live in the moment as tomorrow isn't promised.

I have lost people who have literally meant that the world to me not just by death.

Some of my friends would say that I am confident and chatty.

It's a learning journey about oneself not everyone.not everyone is comfortable with getting to know who they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Life and circumstances can change a person. I do know my own worth and what I am capable of.

I have lost people who have literally meant that the world to me not just by death.

Some of my friends would say that I am confident and chatty.

It's a learning journey about oneself not everyone.not everyone is comfortable with getting to know who they are.

Very true. And don't forget you're a brave bitch for being so open and honest here. Hats off girl x

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By *ommando4Man
over a year ago

South Co. Dublin

"as above,

We as a couple are convinced that avoiding all social media has a huge impact on our positive mental health.

Give up yer aul' facebook.

Social media is just a tool like any other I think. It's effect on you totally depends on how you use it in my opinion.

Ive done this is well. I only follow accounts that bring value to my life and make me smile. Its really helped my in having a better outlook on myself and my body "
I think that fab is just like many other social media sites. Most people present themselves in the best possible light. Pictures are taken from the most flattering angles. Through forum posts we try to present ourselves as knowledgeable, cerebral or witty. After all....everyone is trying to market themselves as potential sexual partners (be that no strings). Why is fab any different than Facebook or Instagram ?

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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"as above,

We as a couple are convinced that avoiding all social media has a huge impact on our positive mental health.

Give up yer aul' facebook.

Social media is just a tool like any other I think. It's effect on you totally depends on how you use it in my opinion.

Ive done this is well. I only follow accounts that bring value to my life and make me smile. Its really helped my in having a better outlook on myself and my body I think that fab is just like many other social media sites. Most people present themselves in the best possible light. Pictures are taken from the most flattering angles. Through forum posts we try to present ourselves as knowledgeable, cerebral or witty. After all....everyone is trying to market themselves as potential sexual partners (be that no strings). Why is fab any different than Facebook or Instagram ?"

The amount of genitalia on show

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By *ommando4Man
over a year ago

South Co. Dublin

"as above,

We as a couple are convinced that avoiding all social media has a huge impact on our positive mental health.

Give up yer aul' facebook.

Social media is just a tool like any other I think. It's effect on you totally depends on how you use it in my opinion.

The amount of genitalia on show

True....note to self...need to get a couple of cock snaps on a Barbados beach.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd certainly attribute a large part of my sense of self worth to my upbringing; positively I may add!

I work with kids and, especially of those early primary school age, if ever I ask something like "Do we have any singers/dancers with us?" without fail they all shoot their hands up

They haven't been told otherwise, rightfully so. They're brought up by their parents and teachers to know that sense of potential.

However, I'm not ashamed to admit that my self-esteem can change each and every day. How I feel about myself. It's possible for a person to have a high sense of self-esteem yet not feel "worthy".

Conversely, I can go about my day with low self-esteem, how I feel about myself, but it's knowing that I as a person am greater than those things.

As nice as it is to feel good about ourselves, in our appearance etc, what happens if we suddenly don't? Do we suddenly become not worthy too? There's a fine line between self-worth and self-esteem but a foundation for either is needed for the other.

Just my two cents

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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"as above,

We as a couple are convinced that avoiding all social media has a huge impact on our positive mental health.

Give up yer aul' facebook.

Social media is just a tool like any other I think. It's effect on you totally depends on how you use it in my opinion.

The amount of genitalia on show

True....note to self...need to get a couple of cock snaps on a Barbados beach."

I think i should help you take them #justsaying

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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"I'd certainly attribute a large part of my sense of self worth to my upbringing; positively I may add!

I work with kids and, especially of those early primary school age, if ever I ask something like "Do we have any singers/dancers with us?" without fail they all shoot their hands up

They haven't been told otherwise, rightfully so. They're brought up by their parents and teachers to know that sense of potential.

However, I'm not ashamed to admit that my self-esteem can change each and every day. How I feel about myself. It's possible for a person to have a high sense of self-esteem yet not feel "worthy".

Conversely, I can go about my day with low self-esteem, how I feel about myself, but it's knowing that I as a person am greater than those things.

Just my two cents

Our true value is far more then a reflection in a mirror...on bad days if we know this we'll be fine.

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By *ackk25Man
over a year ago

Kilkenny

Confidence and self worth do have a lot to do with up bringing, but a bad upbringing can create ambition, self belief, and success as much as a good up bringing.. It all depends on the person and how much hunger they have. Even without hunger though there are lots of ways of improving confidence and self worth...and you start with the small wins!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had a good upbringing and good circle of friends but feel I have always struggled with confidence due to over thinking and generally being a quiet person until I get to know someone. Try to keep active and push myself outside my comfort zone a bit each time to try and imorove. Obviously still have loads to do, but as I said before in another forum we are all the La Sagrada Familia and we are never done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Had a good upbringing and good circle of friends but feel I have always struggled with confidence due to over thinking and generally being a quiet person until I get to know someone. Try to keep active and push myself outside my comfort zone a bit each time to try and imorove. Obviously still have loads to do, but as I said before in another forum we are all the La Sagrada Familia and we are never done "

We are all a work-in-progress and never know what challenges lie ahead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are all a work-in-progress and never know what challenges lie ahead.

Totally true

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By *eebawMan
over a year ago

Interesting topic op

When i joined here about 2 years back i think i had more confidence was better able to chat people addended a few parties and socials and i think i was doing ok. Wasnt over confident but i think i was ok . Then a death in the family kinda knocked me back cause my social time was gone out the window due to extra workload. Finding it hard to get out of my shel again confidence would be low enough tbh I never really was able to go up to someone and start a conversation with fear of regection. I’m finding it hard on here at the moment maby its just quiet in general ..

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