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"Its Men Going Their Own Way - a (growing) group of men who have become disillusioned with marriage and serious relationships. With the #metoo movement and men getting screwed in divorce and generally being called the Devil by feminists it's a growing trend. Men get a raw deal, domestic violence is 50:50 but in the UK there is 120 women's shelters to every one men's shelter. 97% of workplace deaths are men but all we hear about is the (debunked) wage gap. We hear Teach Men Not To R*pe but again here in the uk a woman can force intercourse on a man and it's not r*pe (by law). Men make up 3/4 of homeless and are 3 times more likely to commit suicide. A woman hits a man and it's maybe assault, a man hits a woman and it's aggravated assault. Men have ZERO say in reproduction, women complain about lack of abortions, a lack of the ability to decide to be a parent or not but men never have a say. We tell men to keep it in their pants if you don't want to be a father but saying the same to women is slut shaming." Thank you guys for the breakdown  | |||
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"Its Men Going Their Own Way - a (growing) group of men who have become disillusioned with marriage and serious relationships. With the #metoo movement and men getting screwed in divorce and generally being called the Devil by feminists it's a growing trend. Men get a raw deal, domestic violence is 50:50 but in the UK there is 120 women's shelters to every one men's shelter. 97% of workplace deaths are men but all we hear about is the (debunked) wage gap. We hear Teach Men Not To R*pe but again here in the uk a woman can force intercourse on a man and it's not r*pe (by law). Men make up 3/4 of homeless and are 3 times more likely to commit suicide. A woman hits a man and it's maybe assault, a man hits a woman and it's aggravated assault. Men have ZERO say in reproduction, women complain about lack of abortions, a lack of the ability to decide to be a parent or not but men never have a say. We tell men to keep it in their pants if you don't want to be a father but saying the same to women is slut shaming." Time for more menism  | |||
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"Its Men Going Their Own Way - a (growing) group of men who have become disillusioned with marriage and serious relationships. With the #metoo movement and men getting screwed in divorce and generally being called the Devil by feminists it's a growing trend. Men get a raw deal, domestic violence is 50:50 but in the UK there is 120 women's shelters to every one men's shelter. 97% of workplace deaths are men but all we hear about is the (debunked) wage gap. We hear Teach Men Not To R*pe but again here in the uk a woman can force intercourse on a man and it's not r*pe (by law). Men make up 3/4 of homeless and are 3 times more likely to commit suicide. A woman hits a man and it's maybe assault, a man hits a woman and it's aggravated assault. Men have ZERO say in reproduction, women complain about lack of abortions, a lack of the ability to decide to be a parent or not but men never have a say. We tell men to keep it in their pants if you don't want to be a father but saying the same to women is slut shaming. Time for more menism "I knew it was wrong to give ye the vote | |||
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"Its Men Going Their Own Way - a (growing) group of men who have become disillusioned with marriage and serious relationships. With the #metoo movement and men getting screwed in divorce and generally being called the Devil by feminists it's a growing trend. Men get a raw deal, domestic violence is 50:50 but in the UK there is 120 women's shelters to every one men's shelter. 97% of workplace deaths are men but all we hear about is the (debunked) wage gap. We hear Teach Men Not To R*pe but again here in the uk a woman can force intercourse on a man and it's not r*pe (by law). Men make up 3/4 of homeless and are 3 times more likely to commit suicide. A woman hits a man and it's maybe assault, a man hits a woman and it's aggravated assault. Men have ZERO say in reproduction, women complain about lack of abortions, a lack of the ability to decide to be a parent or not but men never have a say. We tell men to keep it in their pants if you don't want to be a father but saying the same to women is slut shaming." As regards the domestic violence, the outcome is more telling than the occurrence. More women require treatment than men in cases of domestic violence, and for more serious injuries. More women die as a result of domestic violence than men. | |||
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"Its Men Going Their Own Way - a (growing) group of men who have become disillusioned with marriage and serious relationships. With the #metoo movement and men getting screwed in divorce and generally being called the Devil by feminists it's a growing trend. Men get a raw deal, domestic violence is 50:50 but in the UK there is 120 women's shelters to every one men's shelter. 97% of workplace deaths are men but all we hear about is the (debunked) wage gap. We hear Teach Men Not To R*pe but again here in the uk a woman can force intercourse on a man and it's not r*pe (by law). Men make up 3/4 of homeless and are 3 times more likely to commit suicide. A woman hits a man and it's maybe assault, a man hits a woman and it's aggravated assault. Men have ZERO say in reproduction, women complain about lack of abortions, a lack of the ability to decide to be a parent or not but men never have a say. We tell men to keep it in their pants if you don't want to be a father but saying the same to women is slut shaming. As regards the domestic violence, the outcome is more telling than the occurrence. More women require treatment than men in cases of domestic violence, and for more serious injuries. More women die as a result of domestic violence than men. " Why is that the case? | |||
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"Its Men Going Their Own Way - a (growing) group of men who have become disillusioned with marriage and serious relationships. With the #metoo movement and men getting screwed in divorce and generally being called the Devil by feminists it's a growing trend. Men get a raw deal, domestic violence is 50:50 but in the UK there is 120 women's shelters to every one men's shelter. 97% of workplace deaths are men but all we hear about is the (debunked) wage gap. We hear Teach Men Not To R*pe but again here in the uk a woman can force intercourse on a man and it's not r*pe (by law). Men make up 3/4 of homeless and are 3 times more likely to commit suicide. A woman hits a man and it's maybe assault, a man hits a woman and it's aggravated assault. Men have ZERO say in reproduction, women complain about lack of abortions, a lack of the ability to decide to be a parent or not but men never have a say. We tell men to keep it in their pants if you don't want to be a father but saying the same to women is slut shaming. As regards the domestic violence, the outcome is more telling than the occurrence. More women require treatment than men in cases of domestic violence, and for more serious injuries. More women die as a result of domestic violence than men. Why is that the case?" Answering that is well above my pay grade. | |||
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"Its Men Going Their Own Way - a (growing) group of men who have become disillusioned with marriage and serious relationships. With the #metoo movement and men getting screwed in divorce and generally being called the Devil by feminists it's a growing trend. Men get a raw deal, domestic violence is 50:50 but in the UK there is 120 women's shelters to every one men's shelter. 97% of workplace deaths are men but all we hear about is the (debunked) wage gap. We hear Teach Men Not To R*pe but again here in the uk a woman can force intercourse on a man and it's not r*pe (by law). Men make up 3/4 of homeless and are 3 times more likely to commit suicide. A woman hits a man and it's maybe assault, a man hits a woman and it's aggravated assault. Men have ZERO say in reproduction, women complain about lack of abortions, a lack of the ability to decide to be a parent or not but men never have a say. We tell men to keep it in their pants if you don't want to be a father but saying the same to women is slut shaming. As regards the domestic violence, the outcome is more telling than the occurrence. More women require treatment than men in cases of domestic violence, and for more serious injuries. More women die as a result of domestic violence than men. Why is that the case?" It’s because men are generally stronger. Women instigate 70% of unprovoked violent attacks on their partner according to recent studies but if the man hits back he’ll be arrested. The most violent and abusive relationships are between two women as it happens. | |||
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"Dont date, dont impregnate, dont co-habitate, and above all dont get married, would seem to be the order of the day "U mean MGTOW | |||
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"Dont date, dont impregnate, dont co-habitate, and above all dont get married, would seem to be the order of the day
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"In relation to the men have no say about reproduction piece... Please! Men also do not have to carry babies inside their body for 40 weeks. It's called biology. When that changes let me know. It takes 2 to tango. Men as well as women should keep it in their pants if they don't want to create babies. And yet 90% of birth control is made for women. This really says it all. If you want to be in control then be responsible from the start. Don't want kids? Get a vasectomy and practice safe sex. Stop relying on women to solely deal with unplanned pregnancy. " Exactly... | |||
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"In relation to the men have no say about reproduction piece... Please! Men also do not have to carry babies inside their body for 40 weeks. It's called biology. When that changes let me know. It takes 2 to tango. Men as well as women should keep it in their pants if they don't want to create babies. And yet 90% of birth control is made for women. This really says it all. If you want to be in control then be responsible from the start. Don't want kids? Get a vasectomy and practice safe sex. Stop relying on women to solely deal with unplanned pregnancy. " I agree, my point is that with the best of intentions unwanted pregnancy happens even with contraception. When this happens only the woman has options. Your body your choice? Fine, if you want to opt out of being a mother even though he wants to be a father do it, but then expect that if he wants to opt out of being a father even though she wants to be a mother let him. You should both equally be able to give up responsibility without the permission of the other person because you were both responsible for making the baby. | |||
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"Fuck it.. I don't feel oppressed. Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong? "You need to develop a victim mentality, Mike, you expect us to do it for you? Typical man. | |||
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"Fuck it.. I don't feel oppressed. Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong? "Your obviously not sending enough unsolicited messages to the ladies | |||
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"Men have been going their own way for years . Putting a name on it makes it a movement? Every family is different. IMO I think it's easier for men to walk away. I don't know the statistics but out of a lot of separated people I know only one male is the sole carer for his children. I know I'll get a back lashing for this comment but the phrase "I've lived it" comes to mind. " But isn't the reason why the mothers are generally the sole carers because they are, quite simply, genetically better at it. You'll often hear the word "mothering", hear the word "daddying" and you'll probably think sexual perversion..... | |||
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"In relation to the men have no say about reproduction piece... Please! Men also do not have to carry babies inside their body for 40 weeks. It's called biology. When that changes let me know. It takes 2 to tango. Men as well as women should keep it in their pants if they don't want to create babies. And yet 90% of birth control is made for women. This really says it all. If you want to be in control then be responsible from the start. Don't want kids? Get a vasectomy and practice safe sex. Stop relying on women to solely deal with unplanned pregnancy. " I'm curious, is it 50/50 until conception and then all the woman's call afterwards? Or at least until the baby starts to cost money
I would have thought that if it was possible the male pill would have been invented at this stage and it is clearly far more difficult to stop an army of sperm as opposed to 1 egg. The snip is, more or less, irreversible and there's a big difference between not wanting kids and not wanting kids .....this weekend | |||
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"Fuck it.. I don't feel oppressed. Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong?
You need to develop a victim mentality, Mike, you expect us to do it for you? Typical man. "I was just telling someone earlier about my two nerdy teenage nephews who spent Christmas telling me how oppressed they feel these days. Ffs, where does this nonsense come from. I thought young people would be more enlightened but it seems not. | |||
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"Fuck it.. I don't feel oppressed. Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong?
Your obviously not sending enough unsolicited messages to the ladies "I'll have that corrected within the hour. Brace yourselves ladies  | |||
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"Fuck it.. I don't feel oppressed. Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong?
You need to develop a victim mentality, Mike, you expect us to do it for you? Typical man.
I was just telling someone earlier about my two nerdy teenage nephews who spent Christmas telling me how oppressed they feel these days. Ffs, where does this nonsense come from. I thought young people would be more enlightened but it seems not. "Navel-gazing - a luxury for the over-indulged. Personal responsibility has gone out of fashion. | |||
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"Fuck it.. I don't feel oppressed. Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong?
You need to develop a victim mentality, Mike, you expect us to do it for you? Typical man.
I was just telling someone earlier about my two nerdy teenage nephews who spent Christmas telling me how oppressed they feel these days. Ffs, where does this nonsense come from. I thought young people would be more enlightened but it seems not.
Navel-gazing - a luxury for the over-indulged. Personal responsibility has gone out of fashion. "Yeah, sure it must be someone else's fault. | |||
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"Its Men Going Their Own Way - a (growing) group of men who have become disillusioned with marriage and serious relationships. With the #metoo movement and men getting screwed in divorce and generally being called the Devil by feminists it's a growing trend. Men get a raw deal, domestic violence is 50:50 but in the UK there is 120 women's shelters to every one men's shelter. 97% of workplace deaths are men but all we hear about is the (debunked) wage gap. We hear Teach Men Not To R*pe but again here in the uk a woman can force intercourse on a man and it's not r*pe (by law). Men make up 3/4 of homeless and are 3 times more likely to commit suicide. A woman hits a man and it's maybe assault, a man hits a woman and it's aggravated assault. Men have ZERO say in reproduction, women complain about lack of abortions, a lack of the ability to decide to be a parent or not but men never have a say. We tell men to keep it in their pants if you don't want to be a father but saying the same to women is slut shaming. As regards the domestic violence, the outcome is more telling than the occurrence. More women require treatment than men in cases of domestic violence, and for more serious injuries. More women die as a result of domestic violence than men. " I agree Michale | |||
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" I was just telling someone earlier about my two nerdy teenage nephews who spent Christmas telling me how oppressed they feel these days. Ffs, where does this nonsense come from. I thought young people would be more enlightened but it seems not. " They are no more oppressed than every second person is suffering from depression. That being said it can't be fun being a straight, mentally balanced teen male these days. There ain't no followers in that | |||
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"Domestic violence is not 50:50 Domestic violence is mainly man towards woman It’s mainly women who give up their careers to raise children leaving them dependent like the difference between a bishon friese attacking one and a pit bull terrier! The pit is going to do far more damage Each year it is women and children found slaughtered by abusive men not the other way around Please don’t portray that it’s 50:50 as it is not " If you have a look at the Harvard health study you will see that 70% of intimate partner violence is instagated by women. Yes women get hurt more, but if a pit bull is attacked it will attack back. If a woman attacks a man and comes out worse it’s a big old case of tough luck! | |||
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"Domestic violence is not 50:50 Domestic violence is mainly man towards woman It’s mainly women who give up their careers to raise children leaving them dependent like the difference between a bishon friese attacking one and a pit bull terrier! The pit is going to do far more damage Each year it is women and children found slaughtered by abusive men not the other way around Please don’t portray that it’s 50:50 as it is not If you have a look at the Harvard health study you will see that 70% of intimate partner violence is instagated by women. Yes women get hurt more, but if a pit bull is attacked it will attack back. If a woman attacks a man and comes out worse it’s a big old case of tough luck!" Wow, just wow. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? " I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". " One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back?" Ok, so you think it's fine to kill someone who slaps you in the face? | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back?" Wtf?
You can't be serious, can you?
Walk the fuck away.
Be the bigger person.
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Wtf?
You can't be serious, can you?
Walk the fuck away.
Be the bigger person.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you? "Ah but being the bigger person means you can never claim oppression. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Wtf?
You can't be serious, can you?
Walk the fuck away.
Be the bigger person.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you?
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back?" My husband hit me once, I got up off the floor and told him if he ever did that again, I would call the guards. I threw him out shortly afterwards. You think I should have slaughtered him? | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back?" 15 yrs of martial arts should teach you more than to rely on studies. Bizarre thinking | |||
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"Most murders are committed by men, regardless of the gender of the victim. Yes, but most murder victims are men" How does that further your argument? | |||
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"Most murders are committed by men, regardless of the gender of the victim. Yes, but most murder victims are men How does that further your argument? "Perhaps in the interest of equality, more women should offer themselves up.  | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? My husband hit me once, I got up off the floor and told him if he ever did that again, I would call the guards. I threw him out shortly afterwards. You think I should have slaughtered him? " Not at all, you were able to walk away but what if he had attempted to continue hitting you? I indeed that this is a sensitive subject but we are all entitled to our opinions and we all have our own experiences. ALL domestic violence is abhorrent, and ALL people have the right to defend themselves against it, how anyone can disagree with this I’ll not understand. I’ll drop out at this point and I’ll not follow this thread but I wish you all the best with no hard feelings. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? My husband hit me once, I got up off the floor and told him if he ever did that again, I would call the guards. I threw him out shortly afterwards. You think I should have slaughtered him? Not at all, you were able to walk away but what if he had attempted to continue hitting you? I indeed that this is a sensitive subject but we are all entitled to our opinions and we all have our own experiences. ALL domestic violence is abhorrent, and ALL people have the right to defend themselves against it, how anyone can disagree with this I’ll not understand. I’ll drop out at this point and I’ll not follow this thread but I wish you all the best with no hard feelings." ALL violence is abhorrent, and the fact of the matter is that most murderers are male. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? My husband hit me once, I got up off the floor and told him if he ever did that again, I would call the guards. I threw him out shortly afterwards. You think I should have slaughtered him? Not at all, you were able to walk away but what if he had attempted to continue hitting you? I indeed that this is a sensitive subject but we are all entitled to our opinions and we all have our own experiences. ALL domestic violence is abhorrent, and ALL people have the right to defend themselves against it, how anyone can disagree with this I’ll not understand. I’ll drop out at this point and I’ll not follow this thread but I wish you all the best with no hard feelings. ALL violence is abhorrent, and the fact of the matter is that most murderers are male. " and 86.7% of murder victims in ireland are male. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? My husband hit me once, I got up off the floor and told him if he ever did that again, I would call the guards. I threw him out shortly afterwards. You think I should have slaughtered him? Not at all, you were able to walk away but what if he had attempted to continue hitting you? I indeed that this is a sensitive subject but we are all entitled to our opinions and we all have our own experiences. ALL domestic violence is abhorrent, and ALL people have the right to defend themselves against it, how anyone can disagree with this I’ll not understand. I’ll drop out at this point and I’ll not follow this thread but I wish you all the best with no hard feelings. ALL violence is abhorrent, and the fact of the matter is that most murderers are male. and 86.7% of murder victims in ireland are male." Yes, murdered mostly by other men. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? My husband hit me once, I got up off the floor and told him if he ever did that again, I would call the guards. I threw him out shortly afterwards. You think I should have slaughtered him? Not at all, you were able to walk away but what if he had attempted to continue hitting you? I indeed that this is a sensitive subject but we are all entitled to our opinions and we all have our own experiences. ALL domestic violence is abhorrent, and ALL people have the right to defend themselves against it, how anyone can disagree with this I’ll not understand. I’ll drop out at this point and I’ll not follow this thread but I wish you all the best with no hard feelings. ALL violence is abhorrent, and the fact of the matter is that most murderers are male. and 86.7% of murder victims in ireland are male." Wonder how many are crime related compared to donestic violence though? | |||
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"In relation to the men have no say about reproduction piece... Please! Men also do not have to carry babies inside their body for 40 weeks. It's called biology. When that changes let me know. It takes 2 to tango. Men as well as women should keep it in their pants if they don't want to create babies. And yet 90% of birth control is made for women. This really says it all. If you want to be in control then be responsible from the start. Don't want kids? Get a vasectomy and practice safe sex. Stop relying on women to solely deal with unplanned pregnancy. I agree, my point is that with the best of intentions unwanted pregnancy happens even with contraception. When this happens only the woman has options. Your body your choice? Fine, if you want to opt out of being a mother even though he wants to be a father do it, but then expect that if he wants to opt out of being a father even though she wants to be a mother let him. You should both equally be able to give up responsibility without the permission of the other person because you were both responsible for making the baby. " Hmmmmmmm. I never actually thought of it that way but that actually makes sense. | |||
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"Men have been going their own way for years . Putting a name on it makes it a movement? Every family is different. IMO I think it's easier for men to walk away. I don't know the statistics but out of a lot of separated people I know only one male is the sole carer for his children. I know I'll get a back lashing for this comment but the phrase "I've lived it" comes to mind. But isn't the reason why the mothers are generally the sole carers because they are, quite simply, genetically better at it. You'll often hear the word "mothering", hear the word "daddying" and you'll probably think sexual perversion....." No you would be saying the phrase sexual perversion. How about the term parenting instead of mothering or daddying? When my daughter's mum messed up, I looked after her, I fed her, I cleaned her, entertained her, bonded with her etc. Any man who really wants to rear his child can do so just as well as the mother and some actually do a better job (in stances where the mother is irresponsible or is having issues). That's the modern man. We're no longer living in the however many years ago. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Ok, so you think it's fine to kill someone who slaps you in the face? I think if a woman attacks a man the man is within his right to defend himself. So long as it is defence and not excessive force. " Ok but if the man is physically stronger, which if we are being honest would be alot of cases, he would have the ability to defend himself by walking away. A strike would not need to be thrown to remove yourself from a violent encounter with someone you can physically dominate. | |||
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"Men have been going their own way for years . Putting a name on it makes it a movement? Every family is different. IMO I think it's easier for men to walk away. I don't know the statistics but out of a lot of separated people I know only one male is the sole carer for his children. I know I'll get a back lashing for this comment but the phrase "I've lived it" comes to mind. But isn't the reason why the mothers are generally the sole carers because they are, quite simply, genetically better at it. You'll often hear the word "mothering", hear the word "daddying" and you'll probably think sexual perversion..... No you would be saying the phrase sexual perversion. How about the term parenting instead of mothering or daddying? When my daughter's mum messed up, I looked after her, I fed her, I cleaned her, entertained her, bonded with her etc. Any man who really wants to rear his child can do so just as well as the mother and some actually do a better job (in stances where the mother is irresponsible or is having issues). That's the modern man. We're no longer living in the however many years ago." You had to wait till your daughters mum “messed up” before you acted like any normal father would ?? | |||
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"But isn't the reason why the mothers are generally the sole carers because they are, quite simply, genetically better at it. You'll often hear the word "mothering", hear the word "daddying" and you'll probably think sexual perversion..... No you would be saying the phrase sexual perversion. How about the term parenting instead of mothering or daddying? When my daughter's mum messed up, I looked after her, I fed her, I cleaned her, entertained her, bonded with her etc. Any man who really wants to rear his child can do so just as well as the mother and some actually do a better job (in stances where the mother is irresponsible or is having issues). That's the modern man. We're no longer living in the however many years ago." I'm not saying that we can't be good and sometimes better parents but we can't change nature, we can't change that women only get pregnant, that women only breast feed. I'm not talking about parenting. I'm pointing out why 'mothering' means something very different. | |||
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"But isn't the reason why the mothers are generally the sole carers because they are, quite simply, genetically better at it. You'll often hear the word "mothering", hear the word "daddying" and you'll probably think sexual perversion..... No you would be saying the phrase sexual perversion. How about the term parenting instead of mothering or daddying? When my daughter's mum messed up, I looked after her, I fed her, I cleaned her, entertained her, bonded with her etc. Any man who really wants to rear his child can do so just as well as the mother and some actually do a better job (in stances where the mother is irresponsible or is having issues). That's the modern man. We're no longer living in the however many years ago. I'm not saying that we can't be good and sometimes better parents but we can't change nature, we can't change that women only get pregnant, that women only breast feed. I'm not talking about parenting. I'm pointing out why 'mothering' means something very different." Ah ok, well on that note, I see your point. Yeah I guess the term 'mothering' does apply in that context. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Ok, so you think it's fine to kill someone who slaps you in the face? I think if a woman attacks a man the man is within his right to defend himself. So long as it is defence and not excessive force. Ok but if the man is physically stronger, which if we are being honest would be alot of cases, he would have the ability to defend himself by walking away. A strike would not need to be thrown to remove yourself from a violent encounter with someone you can physically dominate." Hence why I said defence and not excessive force. Just because a man is stronger does not justify a woman attacking or hitting a man. What about an instance though were say a woman is standing between the door and the man and the door is locked and she starts flailing at him. What if she has a kitchen knife or other weapon? Where exactly is the line drawn? At what point is it ok for a man to lash out? I never even think about gender in these situations. Years ago when I went to self defence lessons the very first lesson my instructor taught me is that when it comes to any kind of situation with anyone, it doesn't matter what has been said or done, who has said what to who, or who has done what to who...... it takes the better person to turn around and walk away and that's what I have always tried to adhere to. In any situation once there is an air of aggression or violence I will always try to calmly defuse the situation and walk away from it. If the person attacks me or lunges at me I will restrain them or failing that, grapple with them and shove them back. But if that person keeps coming at me or has a weapon then I don't give a shit if it's a male or female, that person is going on their ass. A woman cannot in all honesty expect to play on her gender by expecting a man to just stand and take a beating, or walk away while being beaten, without reacting. No person should hit another person, regardless of gender, period; but if a person attacks someone then that person should also expect the other person has a right to fight back. If a person takes an aggressive or violent actiom then that person must be willing to accept the consequences of their action. | |||
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"Men have been going their own way for years . Putting a name on it makes it a movement? Every family is different. IMO I think it's easier for men to walk away. I don't know the statistics but out of a lot of separated people I know only one male is the sole carer for his children. I know I'll get a back lashing for this comment but the phrase "I've lived it" comes to mind. But isn't the reason why the mothers are generally the sole carers because they are, quite simply, genetically better at it. You'll often hear the word "mothering", hear the word "daddying" and you'll probably think sexual perversion..... No you would be saying the phrase sexual perversion. How about the term parenting instead of mothering or daddying? When my daughter's mum messed up, I looked after her, I fed her, I cleaned her, entertained her, bonded with her etc. Any man who really wants to rear his child can do so just as well as the mother and some actually do a better job (in stances where the mother is irresponsible or is having issues). That's the modern man. We're no longer living in the however many years ago. You had to wait till your daughters mum “messed up” before you acted like any normal father would ?? " Ohhhh, check out the judgemental guy. You don't know my circumstances at that time. Ongoing court proceedings to gain joint custody or more contact. During that period the mother was having parties with the child in the house, drugs being taken by some party goers. Reports of an unclean house etc. It was reported to social services and the child was removed from her care at which point I took over. So yes, I had to wait until the child's mother "messed up" because until that point it was completely out of my hands. I could have removed the child from her by force but that would only have landed me in trouble and would not have helped my case or the child in any way. Ta. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Ok, so you think it's fine to kill someone who slaps you in the face? I think if a woman attacks a man the man is within his right to defend himself. So long as it is defence and not excessive force. Ok but if the man is physically stronger, which if we are being honest would be alot of cases, he would have the ability to defend himself by walking away. A strike would not need to be thrown to remove yourself from a violent encounter with someone you can physically dominate. Hence why I said defence and not excessive force. Just because a man is stronger does not justify a woman attacking or hitting a man. What about an instance though were say a woman is standing between the door and the man and the door is locked and she starts flailing at him. What if she has a kitchen knife or other weapon? Where exactly is the line drawn? At what point is it ok for a man to lash out? I never even think about gender in these situations. Years ago when I went to self defence lessons the very first lesson my instructor taught me is that when it comes to any kind of situation with anyone, it doesn't matter what has been said or done, who has said what to who, or who has done what to who...... it takes the better person to turn around and walk away and that's what I have always tried to adhere to. In any situation once there is an air of aggression or violence I will always try to calmly defuse the situation and walk away from it. If the person attacks me or lunges at me I will restrain them or failing that, grapple with them and shove them back. But if that person keeps coming at me or has a weapon then I don't give a shit if it's a male or female, that person is going on their ass. A woman cannot in all honesty expect to play on her gender by expecting a man to just stand and take a beating, or walk away while being beaten, without reacting. No person should hit another person, regardless of gender, period; but if a person attacks someone then that person should also expect the other person has a right to fight back. If a person takes an aggressive or violent actiom then that person must be willing to accept the consequences of their action." Ok well just removing the very extreme example of someone attacking you with a deadly weapon. I just couldnt raise my hands to a women. I might be old fashioned naive or delusional but I cant imagine a situation with a women that I could not remove myself from without using much physical force. Maybe that is what you mean if so I misunderstood your post its just read a little more like a punch for a punch to me apologies if I picked it up wrong | |||
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"A member posted a comment i found interesting. Women carry children for 40 weeks and go through child birth. It was unleashed like a trump card, a top trump. Something that man cannot better, no topping that trump. So i thought, ok. If no matter what men do, women trump it with the ability to bare children. What is the trade off? What do men have to do, in a woman's eye, to produce a level playing field. I'm not going to make the suggestion. How can i? I don't know what 40 weeks of carrying child feels like and i don't know what child birth is like. So this has to come from the female. So ladies, what do men have to do to balance that burden?" I didn’t see it as a burden, I see it as a gift that I could and have had children. If you want an example of a burden men bear (from a woman) it’s thst men face the majority of dangers in the world, they also die sooner and yet retire later. I feel that they also have to cope with being told to Man Up, many people on this thread have said if attacked by a woman, a man should be the bigger person and walk away - to just accept it in other words, something nobody would expect a woman to do. | |||
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 feminism degrades the integral role that women had in creating this society. Degrades their role in survival of the species. Men and women survived TOGETHER. They also worked out the best roles for each of us and it WORKED. Hence we are here today. | |||
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"Here's a very simple view. Lol Men and women have been co-existing for all of time. They have been SURVIVING life. Over the course of time men and women found the BEST way to survive. Knew their roles in that survival scenario. Over millennia! Today, women are just pissed they HAD the house work and kids to look after. feminism degrades the integral role that women had in creating this society. Degrades their role in survival of the species. Men and women survived TOGETHER. They also worked out the best roles for each of us and it WORKED. Hence we are here today."To be honest, I'm not sure how much choice Wyken ever got as regards their place in society. It was pretty much always men that decided for both of them. | |||
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"Here's a very simple view. Lol Men and women have been co-existing for all of time. They have been SURVIVING life. Over the course of time men and women found the BEST way to survive. Knew their roles in that survival scenario. Over millennia! Today, women are just pissed they HAD the house work and kids to look after. feminism degrades the integral role that women had in creating this society. Degrades their role in survival of the species. Men and women survived TOGETHER. They also worked out the best roles for each of us and it WORKED. Hence we are here today.
To be honest, I'm not sure how much choice Wyken ever got as regards their place in society. It was pretty much always men that decided for both of them. "Your predictive text is throwing some shapes today Mick | |||
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"Here's a very simple view. Lol Men and women have been co-existing for all of time. They have been SURVIVING life. Over the course of time men and women found the BEST way to survive. Knew their roles in that survival scenario. Over millennia! Today, women are just pissed they HAD the house work and kids to look after. feminism degrades the integral role that women had in creating this society. Degrades their role in survival of the species. Men and women survived TOGETHER. They also worked out the best roles for each of us and it WORKED. Hence we are here today."Eh, no, I think you got stuck somewhere in the early 20th century. | |||
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"Here's a very simple view. Lol Men and women have been co-existing for all of time. They have been SURVIVING life. Over the course of time men and women found the BEST way to survive. Knew their roles in that survival scenario. Over millennia! Today, women are just pissed they HAD the house work and kids to look after. feminism degrades the integral role that women had in creating this society. Degrades their role in survival of the species. Men and women survived TOGETHER. They also worked out the best roles for each of us and it WORKED. Hence we are here today.
To be honest, I'm not sure how much choice Wyken ever got as regards their place in society. It was pretty much always men that decided for both of them.
Your predictive text is throwing some shapes today Mick "Ah ffs! My phone just doesn't like the word women for some reason! | |||
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"Fuck it.. I don't feel oppressed. Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong?
You need to develop a victim mentality, Mike, you expect us to do it for you? Typical man. "It's tough though, I spent all day trying to be a victim but I'm just crap at it. Maybe you have to have been bought up a certain way, being told how great you were, you couldn't lose at anything and anybody that disagreed with you or wouldn't play with you got reported to the teacher. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Ok, so you think it's fine to kill someone who slaps you in the face? I think if a woman attacks a man the man is within his right to defend himself. So long as it is defence and not excessive force. Ok but if the man is physically stronger, which if we are being honest would be alot of cases, he would have the ability to defend himself by walking away. A strike would not need to be thrown to remove yourself from a violent encounter with someone you can physically dominate. Hence why I said defence and not excessive force. Just because a man is stronger does not justify a woman attacking or hitting a man. What about an instance though were say a woman is standing between the door and the man and the door is locked and she starts flailing at him. What if she has a kitchen knife or other weapon? Where exactly is the line drawn? At what point is it ok for a man to lash out? I never even think about gender in these situations. Years ago when I went to self defence lessons the very first lesson my instructor taught me is that when it comes to any kind of situation with anyone, it doesn't matter what has been said or done, who has said what to who, or who has done what to who...... it takes the better person to turn around and walk away and that's what I have always tried to adhere to. In any situation once there is an air of aggression or violence I will always try to calmly defuse the situation and walk away from it. If the person attacks me or lunges at me I will restrain them or failing that, grapple with them and shove them back. But if that person keeps coming at me or has a weapon then I don't give a shit if it's a male or female, that person is going on their ass. A woman cannot in all honesty expect to play on her gender by expecting a man to just stand and take a beating, or walk away while being beaten, without reacting. No person should hit another person, regardless of gender, period; but if a person attacks someone then that person should also expect the other person has a right to fight back. If a person takes an aggressive or violent actiom then that person must be willing to accept the consequences of their action. Ok well just removing the very extreme example of someone attacking you with a deadly weapon. I just couldnt raise my hands to a women. I might be old fashioned naive or delusional but I cant imagine a situation with a women that I could not remove myself from without using much physical force. Maybe that is what you mean if so I misunderstood your post its just read a little more like a punch for a punch to me apologies if I picked it up wrong" No a punch for a punch is not the right way and solves nothing. I agree with you, in that a person should try to walk away or remove themselves from the situation using the minimal amount of physical force necessary. Striking out at the other person should only ever be used as a last resort when all other options have failed. | |||
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"A member posted a comment i found interesting. Women carry children for 40 weeks and go through child birth. It was unleashed like a trump card, a top trump. Something that man cannot better, no topping that trump. So i thought, ok. If no matter what men do, women trump it with the ability to bare children. What is the trade off? What do men have to do, in a woman's eye, to produce a level playing field. I'm not going to make the suggestion. How can i? I don't know what 40 weeks of carrying child feels like and i don't know what child birth is like. So this has to come from the female. So ladies, what do men have to do to balance that burden?" Emptying the dishwasher would be a start | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Wtf?
You can't be serious, can you?
Walk the fuck away.
Be the bigger person.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you? "My ex was very physically abusive to the point I had to attend a doctor. I was the " bigger" person and just used to walk away. Sometimes I wish I had hit back just once... | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Wtf?
You can't be serious, can you?
Walk the fuck away.
Be the bigger person.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you?
My ex was very physically abusive to the point I had to attend a doctor. I was the " bigger" person and just used to walk away. Sometimes I wish I had hit back just once... "If a partner hits you once and you stay in the relationship, they will do it again. In the context of an intimate relationship, walking away means ending it. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Wtf?
You can't be serious, can you?
Walk the fuck away.
Be the bigger person.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you?
My ex was very physically abusive to the point I had to attend a doctor. I was the " bigger" person and just used to walk away. Sometimes I wish I had hit back just once...
If a partner hits you once and you stay in the relationship, they will do it again. In the context of an intimate relationship, walking away means ending it. "Yes I glad I ended it. | |||
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"A member posted a comment i found interesting. Women carry children for 40 weeks and go through child birth. It was unleashed like a trump card, a top trump. Something that man cannot better, no topping that trump. So i thought, ok. If no matter what men do, women trump it with the ability to bare children. What is the trade off? What do men have to do, in a woman's eye, to produce a level playing field. I'm not going to make the suggestion. How can i? I don't know what 40 weeks of carrying child feels like and i don't know what child birth is like. So this has to come from the female. So ladies, what do men have to do to balance that burden? Emptying the dishwasher would be a start "That's my wife's name. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Wtf?
You can't be serious, can you?
Walk the fuck away.
Be the bigger person.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you?
My ex was very physically abusive to the point I had to attend a doctor. I was the " bigger" person and just used to walk away. Sometimes I wish I had hit back just once...
If a partner hits you once and you stay in the relationship, they will do it again. In the context of an intimate relationship, walking away means ending it.
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Wtf?
You can't be serious, can you?
Walk the fuck away.
Be the bigger person.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you?
My ex was very physically abusive to the point I had to attend a doctor. I was the " bigger" person and just used to walk away. Sometimes I wish I had hit back just once... "If you were sensible enough to walk away then you'd probably have regretted it if you had actually hit her. | |||
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Wtf?
You can't be serious, can you?
Walk the fuck away.
Be the bigger person.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you?
My ex was very physically abusive to the point I had to attend a doctor. I was the " bigger" person and just used to walk away. Sometimes I wish I had hit back just once... "See this is the thing I find....... I know not all women are the same but there are women who will play on their gender and expect that they can hit a man and that the man should not hit them back but instead stand there and take it or walk away. Walking away is the right thing to do when it is possible, the problem is though once it happens a few times they will think they can keep on doing it because they have no fear of consequence and think they can get away with it. In the case of a relationship, the best thing to do is walk away and leave the relationship. I wouldn't think twice about leaving a partner who is violent towards me. The whole women are weaker than men argument doesn't wash with me though because by that rationale does that mean I can walk up to a man much bigger or stronger than me expecting that I can hit him then be thinking "You can't hit me back because I am weaker or not as strong as you". The person might well walk away. But I should also be willing to accept any consequence of my actions which include that the person may well hit me back. Nobody should hit any person to begin with. That's just my view. | |||
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"A member posted a comment i found interesting. Women carry children for 40 weeks and go through child birth. It was unleashed like a trump card, a top trump. Something that man cannot better, no topping that trump. So i thought, ok. If no matter what men do, women trump it with the ability to bare children. What is the trade off? What do men have to do, in a woman's eye, to produce a level playing field. I'm not going to make the suggestion. How can i? I don't know what 40 weeks of carrying child feels like and i don't know what child birth is like. So this has to come from the female. So ladies, what do men have to do to balance that burden? Emptying the dishwasher would be a start
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" Wow, just wow. Yes? I think you'll find that the law makes a distinction between "reasonable force to defend oneself" and "a licence to kill". One punch is reasonable force, or so 15 years of martial arts has taught me. If my husband punched me once I’d be in hospital. Women hit men more than men hit women, the harvard study shows this - should men not hit back? Wtf?
You can't be serious, can you?
Walk the fuck away.
Be the bigger person.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you?
My ex was very physically abusive to the point I had to attend a doctor. I was the " bigger" person and just used to walk away. Sometimes I wish I had hit back just once...
See this is the thing I find....... I know not all women are the same but there are women who will play on their gender and expect that they can hit a man and that the man should not hit them back but instead stand there and take it or walk away. Walking away is the right thing to do when it is possible, the problem is though once it happens a few times they will think they can keep on doing it because they have no fear of consequence and think they can get away with it. In the case of a relationship, the best thing to do is walk away and leave the relationship.
I wouldn't think twice about leaving a partner who is violent towards me.
The whole women are weaker than men argument doesn't wash with me though because by that rationale does that mean I can walk up to a man much bigger or stronger than me expecting that I can hit him then be thinking "You can't hit me back because I am weaker or not as strong as you".
The person might well walk away. But I should also be willing to accept any consequence of my actions which include that the person may well hit me back.
Nobody should hit any person to begin with. That's just my view.
"What you say is true and yes, the best thing is to walk away. Excluding situations where self defense is necessary, a man who hits a woman is a dirtbag. But a woman who hits a man is a bigger dirtbag because she knows there's little chance of any retaliation. It's not much different than hitting someone with a disability. | |||
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