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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss...

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over a year ago

Their parents

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Their parents"

In a nut shell..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe being untouchable has something to do with it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach.....

Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring.

Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing a kick in the arse along with being a parent instead of trying to be their friends wouldn't fix

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

I think alot has also got to do with what they're picking up and listening to in school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is the minority tarnishing the rest from what I see. We are in a place now where the negatives in anything is multiplied due to social media and general media. Too easy to make sweeping negative statements than actually look at the real facts.

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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Kids are no worse or no better then when you and i were kids in the stoneage. They are just that kid's... they mess up, make mistakes, learn. Thank god they do cause then they in the majority grow up knowing right from wrong. Down of that cloud and start looking at the Good ... theres a fecking lot of it. Its mostly adults that act like pricks and display bad manners. Any given day on here its evident.

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over a year ago

"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach.....

Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring.

Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the years of old school respect is gone , kids from 40s,50s,60s even 70s suffered horrendous abuse of all sorts from schools to churches to homes , clearly this would never be brought on their own kids as they knew how they felt when they were going through it , so the respect from fear was not passed on , and over the years "respect" changed , it's how kids are thought at home now is what they bring outside , and majority of kids are good they are kids tho always gna be cheeky and bold sometimes haha , even my vision of respect could be totally different to yours , I'd show and give anyone respect no matter what age , male female anything else people are calling themselves, but if it's not given to me I will not return it .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're exercising the voices they were given and realising their autonomy a lot younger than we did.

More power to them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Too many do gooders...kids know they can do and act as they please and get away with it...respect is lost with a lot of kids today because they're let go out and hang with their mates, cause damage and get away with it .. as a society we have got very weak and almost accepting of such things as kids causing intimidation in gangs, kids having a list of convictions for burglary or criminal damage without having to pay for same, their legal costs footed by us taxpayers... It's worrying.... Anyway .. where the fuck are my kids??

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By *igBlondeDommeWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere

"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach.....

Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring.

Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect.

What he said^^

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Too many do gooders...kids know they can do and act as they please and get away with it...respect is lost with a lot of kids today because they're let go out and hang with their mates, cause damage and get away with it .. as a society we have got very weak and almost accepting of such things as kids causing intimidation in gangs, kids having a list of convictions for burglary or criminal damage without having to pay for same, their legal costs footed by us taxpayers... It's worrying.... Anyway .. where the fuck are my kids??"

Every behaviour has a function. No one is innately "bad". If you are referring to young adults, it's literally the most difficult period of anyone's life - finding their place, learning about themselves, peer pressure, academic pressure, hormones.... I could go on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know what you mean, and as stated above also, most kids are great,but there is no excuse for the behaviours of some kids in their total disregard for others. Hormones or finding their place is no excuse for bullying, aggressive behaviour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No never an excuse but sometimes a reason. Along with many others.

This debate could last a long time. But personally I would rather understand than generalise and make assumptions, especially based on their age bracket.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

Alot of children are out on the streets and parents couldn't give a fuck where they are or what they're up to. I deal with kids regularly. Kids in this day and age have everything and are very seldom told no. I even had a woman lately say to me "my kids Xmas presents are coming to over 400. I can't afford it". I said you tell them no, you know what that word is. Respect for property and people stems from parents. If a child does something wrong, you don't let them away with it. It ain't rocket science.

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By *ad IdeaMan
over a year ago

Limerick

"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss..."

Stress free parenting and lack of discipline. Spoilt rotten little bas###ds running around unattended by parents chasing money and diagnosed mistaken with ADHD. Oh and one more lately very trendy syndrome in relaxed youth called "anxiety"... ffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss...

Won't waste my words...

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By *igBlondeDommeWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere

"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss...

Two diagnosis which are actually very real.

I'm not say all kids are not spoilt brats but 99% of kids I know A lovely well mannered kids.

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By *easingTimMan
over a year ago

Loughlinstown

"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss..."

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...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???

...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss...

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...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???

...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be

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the point im making Is I deal with kids alot, I see they're behaviour every single day. The behaviour, lack of respect, what kids have, what kids have access to totally differs then when I was there age.

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over a year ago

"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss...

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...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???

...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be

the point im making Is I deal with kids alot, I see they're behaviour every single day. The behaviour, lack of respect, what kids have, what kids have access to totally differs then when I was there age. "

Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us.....

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss...

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...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???

...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be

Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us....."
what kids have and what they have access to are my main 2 points. Totally different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t understand this thing of bad mouthing kids. They are just children and by and large wonderful humans. It’s like the theme of the film Fred Claus -there’s no such thing as a bad kid! I adore teenagers and their positivity and their innate ability to see the good and do the right thing! I was driving behind an old dear one day giving out and my daughter piped up and told me to stop and asked how I would feel if it was my mam in front of us. She was 100% right! As to respecting adults they will respect you if you earn it and that’s the only way someone should be “respected”, too long we all respected those who didn’t deserve!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss...

These parents your referring to op obviously need a hobby to support them in not being so focussed on themselves

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

Also in my job I talk to other older peers who say to me what kids no and do now is totally different to years ago. I think that's the point been made.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

When i was small I always knew what I wanted for Xmas. Kids today havnt a clue as they have everything, Jimmy wants Jimmy gets, paddy wants paddy gets and don't get me started on what they have access to through social media.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

AHH but Ireland is great with kids though. Remember taking my boy to Cork City, he must have been about 5. We'd had a long day and he was doing what 5 year olds do, having a wee tantrum cos he didn't want to walk over a bridge. Then this lorry driver winds down his window shouting "stop that bawling and do as yer mammy tells ye!" So in total shock he crosses the bridge. Then starts crying again. And this wee old lady goes to him "stop that bawling and be a big boy. Oh and get that Kerry top in the bin where it belongs"

I thought it was great the community helping out. Think if that happened in Scotland all hell would break loose. Nobody cares say anything to other folks kids and I guess that's part of the problem

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

What age would you allow a child a smartphone or tablet?

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over a year ago

"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach.....

Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring.

Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect.

This

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over a year ago

"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach.....

Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring.

Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect.

This

I think this may be something to look into also.

What i do notice is a lot of kids these days don't have much patience for things they can't get a quick fix from. Like reading books or learning an instrument or any of that kind of nature where the outcome isn't instantaneous. And it most definitely is caused by all the petty video games there are now that dont even require much effort like clash of clans etc. Press a button and boom YOU WIN! Instant dopamine hit. Ha it's sad really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"AHH but Ireland is great with kids though. Remember taking my boy to Cork City, he must have been about 5. We'd had a long day and he was doing what 5 year olds do, having a wee tantrum cos he didn't want to walk over a bridge. Then this lorry driver winds down his window shouting "stop that bawling and do as yer mammy tells ye!" So in total shock he crosses the bridge. Then starts crying again. And this wee old lady goes to him "stop that bawling and be a big boy. Oh and get that Kerry top in the bin where it belongs"

I thought it was great the community helping out. Think if that happened in Scotland all hell would break loose. Nobody cares say anything to other folks kids and I guess that's part of the problem"

Lol, i had a sister like that, she put the fear of god into children, for some strange reason they always seemed to come back for more

when i was a child, haha jesus no... i was raised by my community, tight knit... thats certainly changed in this day and age...

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over a year ago

"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss...

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...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???

...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be

Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us....."

I see where your coming from and as a person who has kids and from dealing with kids at an under age sporting level I think kids have less respect for adults than previous generations, you have to be extremely Carefull how you correct them, the problem being society favouring the individual rather than the team, maybe an over confidence our generation didn't have and were encouraged not to have...

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By *irdnBorisMan
over a year ago

meath

A lot of teenagers dont give a damn about anyone else i know where my 15 yr old lad is every nite because of bullies and him been beaten up he wont leave the house they made his life hell in school 2 years of bullying went to parents and got laughed at they dont care so hes in youthreach now and is way more happier there than he was in school .hes a diffrent lad alltogether still gets to do his junior cert and his leaving and they dont take any nonsense of bullying what so ever . The school he was in had a 15 page anti bullying policy but they done nothing . Parents should be responible for there kids actions but most would rather be out drinking and not have a clue what they get upto as long as there not under there feet as to speak i know some wont agree with what i said but everybody has diffrent oppions .thanks

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners.

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over a year ago

"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners.

I think the only solution for the op is to have a child himself, everything else you say would just naturally follow, kids are the best teachers of adults

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By *easingTimMan
over a year ago

Loughlinstown

"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss...

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...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???

...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be

Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us....."

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Precisely...it's what every preceding generation tends to say about the generation that follows, hence the "In my day..." or "when I was your age.."

phrases that crop up again and again. I'm sure you and I "had it a lot easier" than our parents generation too...

...but to say this generation has "no respect" and "no discipline" is as generalised as saying that EVERY single citizen in any one given country is evil or immoral is tarring every person of a single group with the same brush...

I've the opportunity to coach kids in sports and my own experience has been positive. I talk to them on their level NOT down to them, find out what interests them & then relate what I'm teaching to that... and things seem to go smoothly. I always hear "please" and "thank you" and that's good enough for me

Remember...

"if the student hasen't learned, the teacher hasn't taught"

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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I think the only solution for the op is to have a child himself, everything else you say would just naturally follow, kids are the best teachers of adults

This is the real truth

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

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im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. "
and also if you think alot of kids bad behaviour continuously doesn't stem from parents upbringing you're living on a different planet.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

I think the only solution for the op is to have a child himself, everything else you say would just naturally follow, kids are the best teachers of adults

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im grand the way I am. I daily deal with kids as it is.

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over a year ago

"What age would you allow a child a smartphone or tablet?"

Like it or not too many kids have unsupervised access to Internet via phones tablets etc, unfortunately somtimes taking away their innocence too early, saying kids are the same now as previous generations is a bit nieve, for mostly the good but what direction in the future will be interesting... Their streets ajead of our generation

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives.

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. and also if you think alot of kids bad behaviour continuously doesn't stem from parents upbringing you're living on a different planet. "

Not once have i said that ... never presume. Listening and understanding is a skill .. it helps one to see the bigger picture. A very important tool when dealing with other humans of all ages

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By *hocko87Man
over a year ago

dublin

Kids will play parents especially if they live apart . They will get their way . But a proper parent knows how to stop it .

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over a year ago

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

"What age would you allow a child a smartphone or tablet?

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last line is spot on

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ..."
it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control

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over a year ago

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control "

Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ??

As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

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over a year ago

"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss...

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...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???

...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be

Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us.....what kids have and what they have access to are my main 2 points. Totally different. "

I don't think it is totally different.

I remember hearing that the Rap I listened to and the video games I played and the ease of access to porn were going to ruin my generation. Many may argue but i think I turned out ok.

Kids of any time will adapt to the technology of their time.

Kids are different now in the same way we were to our parents at that age, no better no worse just different.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. "
If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss...

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...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???

...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be

Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us.....what kids have and what they have access to are my main 2 points. Totally different.

I don't think it is totally different.

I remember hearing that the Rap I listened to and the video games I played and the ease of access to porn were going to ruin my generation. Many may argue but i think I turned out ok.

Kids of any time will adapt to the technology of their time.

Kids are different now in the same way we were to our parents at that age, no better no worse just different."
I had no access to the video games 10 for, have now. I hadn't a clue what porn was, what a dildo and vibrator are used for. As I already said, what kids today have access to differs. Do u bam them from social media and stop them watching certain films and playing certain games. I also thing as a generation parents are changing but that's a tough one to comment on as I'm not that old

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"No one is innately "bad"."

Tell that to the two Americans who traveled the world to prove no one was innately bad. You can guess how their lives ended.. on the side of the road in a pool of blood.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had kids for nearly two years kick bang throw stuff at my house every night they would simply stand in the street and laugh because someone would just walk up to my door a bang it and bang it for as long as he wanted.

Because police said they were to young for them to do anything.

One of the mother's told the police I was a paedophile because I was at her door at my wits end every fucking night.

They only stopped because they got older and with over 6 hrs of dvd films .

The police was able to do something.

Even the police stood in my house one day and the kids just laughed at them

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

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"No one is innately "bad".

Tell that to the two Americans who traveled the world to prove no one was innately bad. You can guess how their lives ended.. on the side of the road in a pool of blood.

You remind me of that mother in the UK, when her child had bitten a small girl over and over and had to be dragged off by adults, the mother was screaming for her kid to be left alone, and its just what kids do."
that's the line I hear so much " sure that's just what kids do" ok then no bother, sure we will say nothing to them

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

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"I had kids for nearly two years kick bang throw stuff at my house every night they would simply stand in the street and laugh because someone would just walk up to my door a bang it and bang it for as long as he wanted.

Because police said they were to young for them to do anything.

One of the mother's told the police I was a paedophile because I was at her door at my wits end every fucking night.

They only stopped because they got older and with over 6 hrs of dvd films .

The police was able to do something.

Even the police stood in my house one day and the kids just laughed at them"
know exactly what you're saying. Have seen carry on similar with my own eyes

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over a year ago

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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. "

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

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Our perception of kids being bold has increased as society has changed.

In the past, a child being bad could get a kick in the ass, a slap in the back of the head, or grabbed by the scruff of the neck by anyone. A stranger in a shop, a passerby, a cop, a teacher. Upon hearing this a parent would be apologetic and further slap the child.

So society had a feeling that corrective behaviour was being attempted.

But people are throwing morality in the bin to spite the catholic church. Even the president of ireland has realised that lack of communal morality is tearing Irish communities apart and that is how we are now.

A bold child can only get corrective behaviour from a parent, no one else. We dont want a communal morality in our schools, in our hospitals, in our housing estates.

So perception of a bold child now is that they are a shit and their parents are shits too. Cause the community wont smack them in the back of the head and say "they are just a bit of a brat really".

Nothing to be done about it, Irish people are happy to erode community morality more and more so it will only feel like its getting worse and worse.

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over a year ago

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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role "
behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?

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By *kcoupleCouple
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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. "

I'll assume your coaching is in the sports side of things but feel free to correct me. Unless you work in social care and or have a degree or masters of arts based in childhood and youth studies it's hard to take your comments as anything other than anger towards children that you don't have the skills to deal with.

That isn't an insult by the way, mearly stating that it takes a certain level of training to take on board the broad spectrum of social and everyday psychological issues that cause the average child (under 18) to act out. If you are farmilar with one of the more common problems we here about autism. The spectrum is huge ranging from fully functioning children labelled by some as little shits until they get help to the child who cannot speak a word and filled with rage. Generally speaking it is a lack of understanding from adults on how to deal with the children or give them the guidance needed.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

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"Our perception of kids being bold has increased as society has changed.

So society had a feeling that corrective behaviour was being attempted.

A bold child can only get corrective behaviour from a parent, no one else. We dont want a communal morality in our schools, in our hospitals, in our housing estates.

So perception of a bold child now is that they are a shit and their parents are shits too. Cause the community wont smack them in the back of the head and say "they are just a bit of a brat really".

Nothing to be done about it, Irish people are happy to erode community morality more and more so it will only feel like its getting worse and worse."
it's actually bordering dangerous territory. You have to be very careful what you do and say to kids now if not their parent. Alot won't get involved with children in a month of Sunday's

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over a year ago

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"Our perception of kids being bold has increased as society has changed.

So society had a feeling that corrective behaviour was being attempted.

A bold child can only get corrective behaviour from a parent, no one else. We dont want a communal morality in our schools, in our hospitals, in our housing estates.

So perception of a bold child now is that they are a shit and their parents are shits too. Cause the community wont smack them in the back of the head and say "they are just a bit of a brat really".

Nothing to be done about it, Irish people are happy to erode community morality more and more so it will only feel like its getting worse and worse."

A wise old saying... it takes a village to raise a child.... its true and its gone.

Our approach has to be different now but we need to get it right. This is the next generation.

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over a year ago

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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?"

Neither are classed as behavioural problems

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over a year ago

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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?

Neither are classed as behavioural problems"
enlighten me, what is so?

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"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss...

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...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???

...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be

Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us.....what kids have and what they have access to are my main 2 points. Totally different.

I don't think it is totally different.

I remember hearing that the Rap I listened to and the video games I played and the ease of access to porn were going to ruin my generation. Many may argue but i think I turned out ok.

Kids of any time will adapt to the technology of their time.

Kids are different now in the same way we were to our parents at that age, no better no worse just different.I had no access to the video games 10 for, have now. I hadn't a clue what porn was, what a dildo and vibrator are used for. As I already said, what kids today have access to differs. Do u bam them from social media and stop them watching certain films and playing certain games. I also thing as a generation parents are changing but that's a tough one to comment on as I'm not that old "

I dont think anyonr would argue that kids have more access to adult themed media and information now.

My point is that their behaviour is no better or worse than it was when we were that age from my expieriance.

Any of the examples of bad behaviour above I could recall simular stories from when I was a kid. Maybe they just were not heard of as much because of the lack of social media etc...

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"Our perception of kids being bold has increased as society has changed.

So society had a feeling that corrective behaviour was being attempted.

A bold child can only get corrective behaviour from a parent, no one else. We dont want a communal morality in our schools, in our hospitals, in our housing estates.

So perception of a bold child now is that they are a shit and their parents are shits too. Cause the community wont smack them in the back of the head and say "they are just a bit of a brat really".

Nothing to be done about it, Irish people are happy to erode community morality more and more so it will only feel like its getting worse and worse."

It funny you speak about communial correction in previous generations, imagine a stranger correcting your child now, if you didn't punch them in the face they'd get jail! A dramatic recent change in society has stopped the community educating children leaving it up to some parents that aren't very good at their job...

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP Man
over a year ago

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I'll stem back to the question I asked earlier. Do u ban kids having smartphones and tablets to a certain age?

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over a year ago

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"Our perception of kids being bold has increased as society has changed.

So society had a feeling that corrective behaviour was being attempted.

A bold child can only get corrective behaviour from a parent, no one else. We dont want a communal morality in our schools, in our hospitals, in our housing estates.

So perception of a bold child now is that they are a shit and their parents are shits too. Cause the community wont smack them in the back of the head and say "they are just a bit of a brat really".

Nothing to be done about it, Irish people are happy to erode community morality more and more so it will only feel like its getting worse and worse.

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I have to try team n children in right to wrong but also have to be very careful what I do or say. Could end up in court in a heartbeat. Society has changed alrite

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over a year ago

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"Our perception of kids being bold has increased as society has changed.

So society had a feeling that corrective behaviour was being attempted.

A bold child can only get corrective behaviour from a parent, no one else. We dont want a communal morality in our schools, in our hospitals, in our housing estates.

So perception of a bold child now is that they are a shit and their parents are shits too. Cause the community wont smack them in the back of the head and say "they are just a bit of a brat really".

Nothing to be done about it, Irish people are happy to erode community morality more and more so it will only feel like its getting worse and worse.

I have to try team n children in right to wrong but also have to be very careful what I do or say. Could end up in court in a heartbeat. Society has changed alrite "
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"I'll stem back to the question I asked earlier. Do u ban kids having smartphones and tablets to a certain age? "

Id bam a fair few adults to be honest

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Life is hard slog - who are we to judge other people’s kids behaviour.

All one can do is be the best parent you can

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over a year ago

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"I'll stem back to the question I asked earlier. Do u ban kids having smartphones and tablets to a certain age?

Id bam a fair few adults to be honest

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lol that's not answering the question.

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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?"

To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders.

Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice.

Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances

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over a year ago

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"Life is hard slog - who are we to judge other people’s kids behaviour.

All one can do is be the best parent you can "
tell that to the parents when a person goes to their door and says, I just had your johnny and his mates beating a ball and eggs off the elderly neighbours doors and windows. "How dare you my johnny would do no such thing" the amount of times I have heard it. Some parents think the sun shines out of their kids arses.

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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?

Neither are classed as behavioural problemsenlighten me, what is so? "

ADHD Its an eady one. Attention deficit disorder. Self explanatory.

Autism is a neurobiological disorder or Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is a developmental disorder that causes issues with communication, social, verbal, and motor skills. Neither are specifically classed as behavioural disorders on the bold scale. Oh and bold isn't actually a word used to describe disruptive people.

disruptive behaviour disorders include oppositional defiant disorder (ODD), conduct disorder (CD). There is two you can do some research on. With 7 years and a masters behind me I don't think I'll do anymore tonight

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over a year ago

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"Life is hard slog - who are we to judge other people’s kids behaviour.

All one can do is be the best parent you can tell that to the parents when a person goes to their door and says, I just had your johnny and his mates beating a ball and eggs off the elderly neighbours doors and windows. "How dare you my johnny would do no such thing" the amount of times I have heard it. Some parents think the sun shines out of their kids arses. "
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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?

Neither are classed as behavioural problemsenlighten me, what is so?

ADHD Its an eady one. Attention deficit disorder. Self explanatory.

Thank you for that

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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?

To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders.

Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice.

Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances

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I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in.

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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?

To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders.

Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice.

Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances

I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. "

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"A wise old saying... it takes a village to raise a child.... its true and its gone.

Our approach has to be different now but we need to get it right. This is the next generation. "

Yeah, but its hard to get right and no one to guide. It's never been harder to be a parent. Take a bratty kid out to Tesco or McDonalds, and you will feel everyone judging you a cunt for the child acting a brat.

In the past the parents wouldnt have been judged so harshly. There would have been a lot more sympathy for them.

I personally think it will average out the same as before when they are all adults, cause i chose to believe that in private most parents are trying everything they can.

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"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach.....

Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring.

Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect.

This

While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.

You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.

It's a bit different.

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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?

To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders.

Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice.

Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances

Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. "
you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is.

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"I'll stem back to the question I asked earlier. Do u ban kids having smartphones and tablets to a certain age?

Id bam a fair few adults to be honest

lol that's not answering the question. "

I would not let my child have a tablet or phone until I felt they were mature enough for it.

I dont think technology turns kids into unruley shits though, and its not going anywhere so we might as well embrace it and help kids navagete it and the issues it brings

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Ohhh *that* old chestnut... adults have been complaining about kids since the Stone Age "Those damned Bronze Age kids... in *my day* we had to eat our meat RAW... none of this fancy stuff with fire... and what about those young bucks with their fancy wheels, eh? No respect for the old ones..."...

Anyhoo, to the poster who works with disadvantaged kids.... *of course* they're going to be rude little toerags... it's always been like that everywhere... you can bet that children sent to nice schools in the nicer parts of town will be well-behaved and well-mannered while the little savages in the estates where cars are parked on the front lawn and there isn't a tree or park or organic veggie shop or yacht club in sight for fifteen miles is going to attract some mean little buggers...

Also, I distinctly remember some pretty horrible bullying and anti-social behaviour in the 60s... 70s... 80s... 90s... people thought nothing of encouraging racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted and narrow-minded behaviour in schools, churches, clubs and at work.

To the other poster bleating about folks being 'respectful' out of fear. Fear (of being hurt or abuse) is NOT respect. Giving someone a clout about the ear or a slap is not a valid form of discipline. It's a shortcut for thoughtless slobs and bullies who cannot use words and thought snd leading by example.

I find most children today delightful, full of insight, creativity and invention. Yes, the current generation may be blessed with things the older generstions had to make do without... but this generstion is also cursed with the mistakes of their parents/grandparents... global warming, waste, war, higher standards for getting the job they want, higher cost of living, an overbloated civil service, overcrowded hospitals, etc ad nauseum.

In the 50s you could graduate with a high school degree anf get a job (well, at least overseas... I dunno about Irelsnd). These days evdn a Master's degree will only get you entry level work in a call centre with no benefits.

I don't envy this generation much. I admire it and I'm looking forward to seeing what future generations will bring.

Still waiting for my Jet-Pac!

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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?

Neither are classed as behavioural problemsenlighten me, what is so?

ADHD Its an eady one. Attention deficit disorder. Self explanatory.

Got any stats of occurrence rate within a population of these disorders?

Remember diagnosis is subjective...must be tricky when you throw regular growing pains and erratic behaviour into the mix

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"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach.....

Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring.

Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect.

This

While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.

You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.

It's a bit different.

Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.

But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.

I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid

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"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach.....

Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring.

Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect.

This

While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.

You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.

It's a bit different.

Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.

But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.

I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid"

The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.

I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.

I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.

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Dangerous level of narcissism*

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"I'll stem back to the question I asked earlier. Do u ban kids having smartphones and tablets to a certain age?

Id bam a fair few adults to be honest

lol that's not answering the question.

I would not let my child have a tablet or phone until I felt they were mature enough for it.

I dont think technology turns kids into unruley shits though, and its not going anywhere so we might as well embrace it and help kids navagete it and the issues it brings"

My kid is in primary school and has had access to tech since being able to hold up a Vtech laptop on a high chair.

Then there was the Leap Pad. Then an array of tablets, phones and what I like to call "craptops" (old, re-furbished laptops loaded with stuff).

Oh yeah... and a Nintendo DS (which was a gift from an auntie) and an Xbox a couple of years back.

The kid has more firepower than NASA did 40 years ago.

Kid is still very bright, worldly, hilariously cynical but also sweet and gentle and kind... and NONE of this has anything to do with any gadget.

When I was a squirt I farted around with cassette players, CB radios, turntables and shortwave radios. My neighbour had a Commodore64 and I was so jealous that I had to type all my school reports on my brother typewriter.

Gadgets and computers in and of themselves are no more harmful than their users.

The only harmful toy is a weapon... that's why I'd rather see kids play with phones than pistols, crossbows, knives, bows and arrows, bats, truncheons, chibs, or firecrackers anyday.

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As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?

To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders.

Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice.

Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances

Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is. "

To be blunt ( but not rude) you dont know what i do or dont know but what i do know is your coming across very negitive towards a group your supposed to be invested in on a professional basis and tbh an inability to deal with other view points. Like i said at the start, lifes not black and white and authoritarian approaches dont always work. If your not prepared as an adult to adjust how you deal with children presenting with behaviour problems you risk losing them to the antisocial behaviour your bemoaning at the start.

My viewpoint is as adults we adjust our approach to keep all children involved.

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"I'll stem back to the question I asked earlier. Do u ban kids having smartphones and tablets to a certain age?

Id bam a fair few adults to be honest

lol that's not answering the question.

I would not let my child have a tablet or phone until I felt they were mature enough for it.

I dont think technology turns kids into unruley shits though, and its not going anywhere so we might as well embrace it and help kids navagete it and the issues it brings

My kid is in primary school and has had access to tech since being able to hold up a Vtech laptop on a high chair.

Then there was the Leap Pad. Then an array of tablets, phones and what I like to call "craptops" (old, re-furbished laptops loaded with stuff).

Oh yeah... and a Nintendo DS (which was a gift from an auntie) and an Xbox a couple of years back.

The kid has more firepower than NASA did 40 years ago.

Kid is still very bright, worldly, hilariously cynical but also sweet and gentle and kind... and NONE of this has anything to do with any gadget.

Gadgets and computers in and of themselves are no more harmful than their users.

The only harmful toy is a weapon... that's why I'd rather see kids play with phones than pistols, crossbows, knives, bows and arrows, bats, truncheons, chibs, or firecrackers anyday. "

I agree.

The issues I refered to were informational on "connected" devices

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It's the parents not being strict enough

A child's brain is like a computer

It's all about what you install into it and it's memory.

You can't back chat n play up I'm the army

I'm. Not saying bring kids up regimental I'm just saying install the importance of politeness manners and respect

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Tipperary

As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works.

Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing.

Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system.

Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?

To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders.

Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice.

Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances

Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is.

My viewpoint is as adults we adjust our approach to keep all children involved. "
you don't know what it's like in a coaching capacity. You're there to train kids in a chosen sport. I coach in an array of sports. My job is to coach and improve the skill sets of children. We do fun stuff at start of every activity. If children at the session decide to disrupt it and behave unruly they are spoken to and told why. If the behaviour escalates/ gets worse, session to session mammy and daddy are brought in for a little chat so I'll say what I already said. I'm there to coach, that's my job.

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"It's the parents not being strict enough

A child's brain is like a computer

It's all about what you install into it and it's memory.

You can't back chat n play up I'm the army

I'm. Not saying bring kids up regimental I'm just saying install the importance of politeness manners and respect "

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"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach.....

Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring.

Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect.

This

While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.

You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.

It's a bit different.

Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.

But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.

I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid

The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.

I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.

I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers. "

Not sure I agree.

I had access to the internet as a teen.

Violent video games as a preteen.

My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.

I see kids now as actually more open minded

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Tipperary

"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach.....

Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring.

Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect.

This

While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.

You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.

It's a bit different.

Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.

But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.

I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid

The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.

I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.

I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.

Not sure I agree.

I had access to the internet as a teen.

Violent video games as a preteen.

My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.

I see kids now as actually more open minded "
I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc

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"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach.....

Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring.

Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect.

This

While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.

You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.

It's a bit different.

Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.

But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.

I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid

The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.

I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.

I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.

Not sure I agree.

I had access to the internet as a teen.

Violent video games as a preteen.

My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.

I see kids now as actually more open minded I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc"

And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other.

We.all have easy examples to back up our points

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Tipperary

"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach.....

Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring.

Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect.

This

While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.

You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.

It's a bit different.

Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.

But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.

I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid

The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.

I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.

I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.

Not sure I agree.

I had access to the internet as a teen.

Violent video games as a preteen.

My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.

And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other.

We.all have easy examples to back up our points"
I'll ask you so, do you think it will ever be fully accepted a person been gay, not been bullied mocked etc etc?