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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

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By *ryst In IsoldeWoman
over a year ago

your imagination

Some like 'em, some hate 'em, and some of us really don't care bacause it's none of our business and we can all make up our own minds who we do or don't want to meet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some like 'em, some hate 'em, and some of us really don't care bacause it's none of our business and we can all make up our own minds who we do or don't want to meet "

Tell that to Mrs Rudolph

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Few years ago I actually preferred dating only married men (less of a chance of someone catching feelings, or them stalking me if I decide to break it off).

Now - all that sneaking around, suiting someone's family time schedules, chances of drama if the wife finds out seems like too much of an effort and I sincerely couldn't be bothered with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Few years ago I actually preferred dating only married men (less of a chance of someone catching feelings, or them stalking me if I decide to break it off).

Now - all that sneaking around, suiting someone's family time schedules, chances of drama if the wife finds out seems like too much of an effort and I sincerely couldn't be bothered with it. "

You just want feelings now

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By *ryst In IsoldeWoman
over a year ago

your imagination


"Some like 'em, some hate 'em, and some of us really don't care bacause it's none of our business and we can all make up our own minds who we do or don't want to meet

Tell that to Mrs Rudolph "

I did... She told me to send him home with a smile on his face and an extra bounce in his step

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Few years ago I actually preferred dating only married men (less of a chance of someone catching feelings, or them stalking me if I decide to break it off).

Now - all that sneaking around, suiting someone's family time schedules, chances of drama if the wife finds out seems like too much of an effort and I sincerely couldn't be bothered with it.

You just want feelings now "

Strong feelings between my legs when I have some time to spare, yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some like 'em, some hate 'em, and some of us really don't care bacause it's none of our business and we can all make up our own minds who we do or don't want to meet

Tell that to Mrs Rudolph

I did... She told me to send him home with a smile on his face and an extra bounce in his step "

Well he looks happy just watch his bloodpressure, I dont like the look of that nose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A guy or a woman who is meeting behind their spouse's back is am adulterer, pure and simple. If you aren't getting the sex/affection whatever at home you leave. You don't lie and cheat and create two unhappy people. We have one life, don't live it screwing around.

Waiting for the deluge of abu$e.....

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By *ommando4Man
over a year ago

South Co. Dublin

As a married man who's wife knows he's on here and turns a blind eye (not really consent) I'm all for it. I believe people should be upfront about it though so that the other party knows the situation. When a marriage is sexless for many years the alternative to swinging for me is celibacy or divorce neither of which are options I care to pursue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Few years ago I actually preferred dating only married men (less of a chance of someone catching feelings, or them stalking me if I decide to break it off).

Now - all that sneaking around, suiting someone's family time schedules, chances of drama if the wife finds out seems like too much of an effort and I sincerely couldn't be bothered with it.

You just want feelings now

Strong feelings between my legs when I have some time to spare, yes "

I have a can of deep heat and 10mins

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Few years ago I actually preferred dating only married men (less of a chance of someone catching feelings, or them stalking me if I decide to break it off).

Now - all that sneaking around, suiting someone's family time schedules, chances of drama if the wife finds out seems like too much of an effort and I sincerely couldn't be bothered with it.

You just want feelings now

Strong feelings between my legs when I have some time to spare, yes

I have a can of deep heat and 10mins "

Just what I need lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not for me but we all have personal responsibility so once ye take the chance ye take the consequences if caught

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By *aneMarpleWoman
over a year ago

dublin


"suiting someone's family time schedules, chances of drama if the wife finds out seems like too much of an effort and I sincerely couldn't be bothered with it. "

Exactly this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a married man who's wife knows he's on here and turns a blind eye (not really consent) I'm all for it. I believe people should be upfront about it though so that the other party knows the situation. When a marriage is sexless for many years the alternative to swinging for me is celibacy or divorce neither of which are options I care to pursue. "
Isn't it still cheating even if your partner knows what your up to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A guy or a woman who is meeting behind their spouse's back is am adulterer, pure and simple. If you aren't getting the sex/affection whatever at home you leave. You don't lie and cheat and create two unhappy people. We have one life, don't live it screwing around.

Waiting for the deluge of abu$e....."

Hate to point this out but in a thread of reasonable comment the only judgement and abuse is coming from your keyboard.

Sorry about that dear....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A guy or a woman who is meeting behind their spouse's back is am adulterer, pure and simple. If you aren't getting the sex/affection whatever at home you leave. You don't lie and cheat and create two unhappy people. We have one life, don't live it screwing around.

Waiting for the deluge of abu$e.....

Hate to point this out but in a thread of reasonable comment the only judgement and abuse is coming from your keyboard.

Sorry about that dear...."

Is she not just giving her opinion as the OP asked people to do.

I dont think there was anything abusive in her post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone going to get hurt before you're true,Someone going to pay for the things you do, Don't be surprised if that someone is you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Someone going to get hurt before you're true,Someone going to pay for the things you do, Don't be surprised if that someone is you. "

You talk alot of poo, yes you really do. Truth is you dont have a clue, just a distorted view. Just bile lined up in a que, your mouth is always ready to spew. Sligo always has a bone to chew, execpt he never thinks it through. Im better at rhyiming than you, I'd make a better troll too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Someone going to get hurt before you're true,Someone going to pay for the things you do, Don't be surprised if that someone is you.

You talk alot of poo, yes you really do. Truth is you dont have a clue, just a distorted view. Just bile lined up in a que, your mouth is always ready to spew. Sligo always has a bone to chew, execpt he never thinks it through. Im better at rhyiming than you, I'd make a better troll too "

Saving all my kisses just for you,signed with love forever true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"suiting someone's family time schedules, chances of drama if the wife finds out seems like too much of an effort and I sincerely couldn't be bothered with it.

Exactly this"

I think this topic is related to all Fabers not just man here are attached

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!"

I am in the same position and upfront about it. I have never received any abuse on here because of it. I don't think it has affected the number of offers I get either.

I would like to point out that you can be in a sexless marriage and not want to leave for a variety of reasons including love, shared history and family, kids, finances, etc. Marriage is more than sex. Here is just sex.

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By *orny guy !Man
over a year ago

waterford / tipperary


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I am in the same position and upfront about it. I have never received any abuse on here because of it. I don't think it has affected the number of offers I get either.

I would like to point out that you can be in a sexless marriage and not want to leave for a variety of reasons including love, shared history and family, kids, finances, etc. Marriage is more than sex. Here is just sex."

Very good point Anon. Well said. I was in one of those marriages & eventually left. A lot of repercussions followed & still are but will eventually get there hopefully.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I am in the same position and upfront about it. I have never received any abuse on here because of it. I don't think it has affected the number of offers I get either.

I would like to point out that you can be in a sexless marriage and not want to leave for a variety of reasons including love, shared history and family, kids, finances, etc. Marriage is more than sex. Here is just sex."

Absolutely agree

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By *ortadowncplCouple
over a year ago

Portadown

The excuses like, I’m in a sexless marrige or she / he’s never at home are nonsense. Nobody is forced to stay married these days.

I don’t think meeting someone that’s cheating is worth the risk, you don’t know what info will be found on their phone by a wife or husband or even said in an argument that might get you dragged into something.

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By *easingTimMan
over a year ago

Loughlinstown

My take on it is that everyone has to be accountable for their own actions. If you're married and you're on fab without your partners consent...

that's something you and you only have to deal with

My philosophy has always been...

"Put all the cards on the table...

and let's play strip poker!"

Personally, honesty works best!

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By *bsolute gentMan
over a year ago

county Cork

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By *bsolute gentMan
over a year ago

county Cork


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I am in the same position and upfront about it. I have never received any abuse on here because of it. I don't think it has affected the number of offers I get either.

I would like to point out that you can be in a sexless marriage and not want to leave for a variety of reasons including love, shared history and family, kids, finances, etc. Marriage is more than sex. Here is just sex."

Anon....spot on

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Its not right but in my opinion its far more accepting for a woman to do it than a man on here.

I think if you are discreet about it, not many will judge but if you put yourself out there, in the social circles and it becomes well known by many fabbers, i think you will find a lot of people are not keen on it.

I have seen it first hand myself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A guy or a woman who is meeting behind their spouse's back is am adulterer, pure and simple. If you aren't getting the sex/affection whatever at home you leave. You don't lie and cheat and create two unhappy people. We have one life, don't live it screwing around.

Waiting for the deluge of abu$e.....

Hate to point this out but in a thread of reasonable comment the only judgement and abuse is coming from your keyboard.

Sorry about that dear....

Is she not just giving her opinion as the OP asked people to do.

I dont think there was anything abusive in her post."

Thank you. It wasn't meant to be abusive at all. But there are a lot of people on here with cluseless spouses who haven't asked to be lied to and cheated on.

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By *ohndunboyneMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin


"A guy or a woman who is meeting behind their spouse's back is am adulterer, pure and simple. If you aren't getting the sex/affection whatever at home you leave. You don't lie and cheat and create two unhappy people. We have one life, don't live it screwing around.

Waiting for the deluge of abu$e.....

Hate to point this out but in a thread of reasonable comment the only judgement and abuse is coming from your keyboard.

Sorry about that dear....

Is she not just giving her opinion as the OP asked people to do.

I dont think there was anything abusive in her post.

Thank you. It wasn't meant to be abusive at all. But there are a lot of people on here with cluseless spouses who haven't asked to be lied to and cheated on."

Not abusive no but very black and white.

This is very rare in human relationships, where multiple factors are involved. I was about to list them but was aware of how each would be singled out for comment here, so I won't bother and will assume the majority are aware of most of them.

My list would not be conclusive either, as I would only be speaking from personal experience and that of my friends, so best not to.

Some of us, including a few above, have tried speaking to partners but it hasn't reached a conclusive result. As such, we are here without their knowledge but they often know exactly what we're doing. That's far from ideal but it is some people's reality, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

Effectively I'm saying Live and Let Live and everyone can choose for themselves, whether they entertain the idea of playing with married folk or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A guy or a woman who is meeting behind their spouse's back is am adulterer, pure and simple. If you aren't getting the sex/affection whatever at home you leave. You don't lie and cheat and create two unhappy people. We have one life, don't live it screwing around.

Waiting for the deluge of abu$e.....

Hate to point this out but in a thread of reasonable comment the only judgement and abuse is coming from your keyboard.

Sorry about that dear....

Is she not just giving her opinion as the OP asked people to do.

I dont think there was anything abusive in her post.

Thank you. It wasn't meant to be abusive at all. But there are a lot of people on here with cluseless spouses who haven't asked to be lied to and cheated on.

Not abusive no but very black and white.

This is very rare in human relationships, where multiple factors are involved. I was about to list them but was aware of how each would be singled out for comment here, so I won't bother and will assume the majority are aware of most of them.

My list would not be conclusive either, as I would only be speaking from personal experience and that of my friends, so best not to.

Some of us, including a few above, have tried speaking to partners but it hasn't reached a conclusive result. As such, we are here without their knowledge but they often know exactly what we're doing. That's far from ideal but it is some people's reality, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

Effectively I'm saying Live and Let Live and everyone can choose for themselves, whether they entertain the idea of playing with married folk or not.

"

Well said Mr dunboyne

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By *addy36Man
over a year ago

Mayo


"A guy or a woman who is meeting behind their spouse's back is am adulterer, pure and simple. If you aren't getting the sex/affection whatever at home you leave. You don't lie and cheat and create two unhappy people. We have one life, don't live it screwing around.

Waiting for the deluge of abu$e....."

You don't know anything about any of these people or their personal situation so how dare you form an opinion about them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A guy or a woman who is meeting behind their spouse's back is am adulterer, pure and simple. If you aren't getting the sex/affection whatever at home you leave. You don't lie and cheat and create two unhappy people. We have one life, don't live it screwing around.

Waiting for the deluge of abu$e.....

You don't know anything about any of these people or their personal situation so how dare you form an opinion about them."

Well as she said if they are meeting behind their partners back they cheating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A guy or a woman who is meeting behind their spouse's back is am adulterer, pure and simple. If you aren't getting the sex/affection whatever at home you leave. You don't lie and cheat and create two unhappy people. We have one life, don't live it screwing around.

Waiting for the deluge of abu$e.....

Hate to point this out but in a thread of reasonable comment the only judgement and abuse is coming from your keyboard.

Sorry about that dear....

Is she not just giving her opinion as the OP asked people to do.

I dont think there was anything abusive in her post.

Thank you. It wasn't meant to be abusive at all. But there are a lot of people on here with cluseless spouses who haven't asked to be lied to and cheated on.

Not abusive no but very black and white.

This is very rare in human relationships, where multiple factors are involved. I was about to list them but was aware of how each would be singled out for comment here, so I won't bother and will assume the majority are aware of most of them.

My list would not be conclusive either, as I would only be speaking from personal experience and that of my friends, so best not to.

Some of us, including a few above, have tried speaking to partners but it hasn't reached a conclusive result. As such, we are here without their knowledge but they often know exactly what we're doing. That's far from ideal but it is some people's reality, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

Effectively I'm saying Live and Let Live and everyone can choose for themselves, whether they entertain the idea of playing with married folk or not.

"

My reasons for cheating. there as good as lies can be,how much more can she take and still stand by me?...........................Its so hard for me to call her I can hardly dial the phone, I did wrong again last night now I just want to go back home. ..............................She knows that I lied,she will cry where I can't see,how much more can she take and still stand by me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Here's another question. What's people's opinion on those who do indulge married men? Are they as complicit in your eyes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's another question. What's people's opinion on those who do indulge married men? Are they as complicit in your eyes?"

No not at all, its 100% the married persons choice and responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's another question. What's people's opinion on those who do indulge married men? Are they as complicit in your eyes?"

If they are aware of the circumstances, then of course they are, some may rationalise it away thats its just sex, tell that to the scorned wife...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's another question. What's people's opinion on those who do indulge married men? Are they as complicit in your eyes?

If they are aware of the circumstances, then of course they are, some may rationalise it away thats its just sex, tell that to the scorned wife..."

How is it someone's responsibility to watch out for someone they don't know ? The only person responsible for a cheater is themselves. They chose to advertise themselves on a sex site so it's them and no on else responsible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's another question. What's people's opinion on those who do indulge married men? Are they as complicit in your eyes?

No not at all, its 100% the married persons choice and responsibility."

So if you know you're meeting a married woman or man your in no way responsible for the carnage afterwards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's another question. What's people's opinion on those who do indulge married men? Are they as complicit in your eyes?

No not at all, its 100% the married persons choice and responsibility. So if you know you're meeting a married woman or man your in no way responsible for the carnage afterwards. "

In my opionion no your not. You can decide to meet them or not. But if they are in here the damage is already done if their paryner finds out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I am in the same position and upfront about it. I have never received any abuse on here because of it. I don't think it has affected the number of offers I get either.

I would like to point out that you can be in a sexless marriage and not want to leave for a variety of reasons including love, shared history and family, kids, finances, etc. Marriage is more than sex. Here is just sex.

Absolutely agree "

Agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Someone going to get hurt before you're true,Someone going to pay for the things you do, Don't be surprised if that someone is you.

You talk alot of poo, yes you really do. Truth is you dont have a clue, just a distorted view. Just bile lined up in a que, your mouth is always ready to spew. Sligo always has a bone to chew, execpt he never thinks it through. Im better at rhyiming than you, I'd make a better troll too "

top class! Kudos to you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Life is incredibly complicated, if someone is on here without their partners knowledge or consent that is a matter for themselves... none of us know what another is going through or has going on in their lives. Most people do as best they can and make decisions on their own circumstances... walk a mile etc... but mostly live and let live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's another question. What's people's opinion on those who do indulge married men? Are they as complicit in your eyes?

No not at all, its 100% the married persons choice and responsibility. So if you know you're meeting a married woman or man your in no way responsible for the carnage afterwards.

In my opionion no your not. You can decide to meet them or not. But if they are in here the damage is already done if their paryner finds out"

But surely just because something is damaged don't give you free rein to inflict more damage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fab should just add married looking for married in the search box.

Then like minded people can contact each other.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Fab should just add married looking for married in the search box.

Then like minded people can contact each other."

Lol. You're probably right!

Although perhaps then it becomes a site it doesn't really want to be.

Just as a side note, I started this forum post not as a dig at anyone or tryimg to anger or point fingers. It's simply a debate based on the experiences I have found on Fab so far. It's very interesting to see the different dynamic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fab should just add married looking for married in the search box.

Then like minded people can contact each other."

And end up in endless chats never able to fit their family schedules lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's another question. What's people's opinion on those who do indulge married men? Are they as complicit in your eyes?

If they are aware of the circumstances, then of course they are, some may rationalise it away thats its just sex, tell that to the scorned wife...

How is it someone's responsibility to watch out for someone they don't know ? The only person responsible for a cheater is themselves. They chose to advertise themselves on a sex site so it's them and no on else responsible "

Im not suggesting anyone is responsible for anothers actions. I am saying if someone chooses to engage in a sexual act with a married person,knowing they are married and unbeknowns to their partner, then in my opinion they are culpable if that person finds out.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"Here's another question. What's people's opinion on those who do indulge married men? Are they as complicit in your eyes?

If they are aware of the circumstances, then of course they are, some may rationalise it away thats its just sex, tell that to the scorned wife...

How is it someone's responsibility to watch out for someone they don't know ? The only person responsible for a cheater is themselves. They chose to advertise themselves on a sex site so it's them and no on else responsible

Im not suggesting anyone is responsible for anothers actions. I am saying if someone chooses to engage in a sexual act with a married person,knowing they are married and unbeknowns to their partner, then in my opinion they are culpable if that person finds out. "

Culpable of what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's another question. What's people's opinion on those who do indulge married men? Are they as complicit in your eyes?

If they are aware of the circumstances, then of course they are, some may rationalise it away thats its just sex, tell that to the scorned wife...

How is it someone's responsibility to watch out for someone they don't know ? The only person responsible for a cheater is themselves. They chose to advertise themselves on a sex site so it's them and no on else responsible

Im not suggesting anyone is responsible for anothers actions. I am saying if someone chooses to engage in a sexual act with a married person,knowing they are married and unbeknowns to their partner, then in my opinion they are culpable if that person finds out.

Culpable of what? "

Hopefully, you wont have to explain it to the wife

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

xxx

As far as im concered its no one elses buisness but your own. If someone asks be honest .... but if your married its you've to deal with that not me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fab should just add married looking for married in the search box.

Then like minded people can contact each other."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I am in the same position and upfront about it. I have never received any abuse on here because of it. I don't think it has affected the number of offers I get either.

I would like to point out that you can be in a sexless marriage and not want to leave for a variety of reasons including love, shared history and family, kids, finances, etc. Marriage is more than sex. Here is just sex."

Nail on the head

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"Here's another question. What's people's opinion on those who do indulge married men? Are they as complicit in your eyes?

If they are aware of the circumstances, then of course they are, some may rationalise it away thats its just sex, tell that to the scorned wife...

How is it someone's responsibility to watch out for someone they don't know ? The only person responsible for a cheater is themselves. They chose to advertise themselves on a sex site so it's them and no on else responsible

Im not suggesting anyone is responsible for anothers actions. I am saying if someone chooses to engage in a sexual act with a married person,knowing they are married and unbeknowns to their partner, then in my opinion they are culpable if that person finds out.

Culpable of what?

Hopefully, you wont have to explain it to the wife "

My gut feeling tells me she wouldn't really want to listen to an explanation from my side, besides that there's very little to explain. It might be regarded as morally wrong to have sex with a married man however it isn't a crime in this country. I've no obligations towards her, so I don't see where the culpability comes in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!"

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options "

Not judging just asking here.

Firstly if your wife has said find it elsewhere would you not just tell her about being on the site?

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By *igBlondeDommeWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options "

Not great options for you. What are your partners options. ??

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By *igBlondeDommeWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options

Not judging just asking here.

Firstly if your wife has said find it elsewhere would you not just tell her about being on the site?"

You got there before me. Good question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options

Not judging just asking here.

Firstly if your wife has said find it elsewhere would you not just tell her about being on the site?"

Not now, who knows what the future will hold though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options

Not great options for you. What are your partners options. ??"

The options are not good for both of us but ignoring a problem is not a solution. I'd much rather not be here honestly. Hopefully things will improve which is what I want

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By *addy36Man
over a year ago

Mayo

Here was I thinking that a swinger site would be full of non judgemental open minded people but it's more like the fucking Catholic church of fifty years ago with people preaching.

What a load of bollix.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options "

The things you mentioned above don't seem to be as important to you as getting you're leg-over

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By *addy36Man
over a year ago

Mayo


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options

Not great options for you. What are your partners options. ??

The options are not good for both of us but ignoring a problem is not a solution. I'd much rather not be here honestly. Hopefully things will improve which is what I want"

Hey bud you don't have to explain you personal situation to anyone on here because it's none of their bloody business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options The things you mentioned above don't seem to be as important to you as getting you're leg-over"

Given this is a sex site wtf are you here for or are you just a keyboard warrior.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options The things you mentioned above don't seem to be as important to you as getting you're leg-over

Given this is a sex site wtf are you here for or are you just a keyboard warrior. "

Im not hear to ride other men's partners.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here was I thinking that a swinger site would be full of non judgemental open minded people but it's more like the fucking Catholic church of fifty years ago with people preaching.

What a load of bollix."

Hey buddy, swingers have sex with their partners knowlegde and permission, some of them even join in. Because people have opinions about marrage and the rights and wrongs of playing without your partners knowledge that differ to yours does not make them judgemental or preachy.

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By *ortobello SionnachWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

If you are happy to lie to your partner then you will have no probs lying to me and I won't play with someone I can't trust simple as that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options

Not judging just asking here.

Firstly if your wife has said find it elsewhere would you not just tell her about being on the site?

You got there before me. Good question. "

I dont believe in truth for truths sake it has to have a purpose so if telling the partner would only hurt them and not change your circumstances then why do that.

Is it so terrible to withhold the truth when knowing it will only hurt but not change anything. Nobody knows anyone circumstances on here.

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By *ryst In IsoldeWoman
over a year ago

your imagination

I'm curious about the phrasing everyone is using.

There are obviously strong opinions on the moral issue of someone married meeting folk without their partner's knowledge, and even strong views on those who choose to meet them. But does that extend to unmarried couples? Is someone cheating on their partner, fiancé or bf/gf somehow less shocking? What if you're dating? Do you stop having meets with other people after the first date? The second one? Or wait until after you start sleeping with your new beau?

Where is the line in the sand?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options

Not judging just asking here.

Firstly if your wife has said find it elsewhere would you not just tell her about being on the site?

You got there before me. Good question.

I dont believe in truth for truths sake it has to have a purpose so if telling the partner would only hurt them and not change your circumstances then why do that.

Is it so terrible to withhold the truth when knowing it will only hurt but not change anything. Nobody knows anyone circumstances on here. "

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By *ryst In IsoldeWoman
over a year ago

your imagination


"If you are happy to lie to your partner then you will have no probs lying to me and I won't play with someone I can't trust simple as that. "

Not to argue with your pov, but we all lie to friends and family about meeting people off Fab. Lying isn't restricted to partners. We lie to babysitters about reasons for nights out, we lie to friends when we can't meet up for that spur-of-the-moment drink, and to family members when we tell them it's not really convenient for them to pop around for that cuppa right now, or when they ask how was your weekend.

Fab makes liars of us all. Therefore none of us can be trusted.

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By *igBlondeDommeWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options

Not great options for you. What are your partners options. ??

The options are not good for both of us but ignoring a problem is not a solution. I'd much rather not be here honestly. Hopefully things will improve which is what I want

Hey bud you don't have to explain you personal situation to anyone on here because it's none of their bloody business."

It is someone's business if he's married and the person he's meeting/chatting with doesn't play with married people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm curious about the phrasing everyone is using.

There are obviously strong opinions on the moral issue of someone married meeting folk without their partner's knowledge, and even strong views on those who choose to meet them. But does that extend to unmarried couples? Is someone cheating on their partner, fiancé or bf/gf somehow less shocking? What if you're dating? Do you stop having meets with other people after the first date? The second one? Or wait until after you start sleeping with your new beau?

Where is the line in the sand? "

Well the OP's question was about Married people so that has probably shaped the phrasing.

The line for me would be that moment in all relashonships I have beem in where it is discussed betweem me amd my partner about, for lack of a better word, exclusivity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here was I thinking that a swinger site would be full of non judgemental open minded people but it's more like the fucking Catholic church of fifty years ago with people preaching.

What a load of bollix."

I have to say I kind of agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here was I thinking that a swinger site would be full of non judgemental open minded people but it's more like the fucking Catholic church of fifty years ago with people preaching.

What a load of bollix.

Hey buddy, swingers have sex with their partners knowlegde and permission, some of them even join in. Because people have opinions about marrage and the rights and wrongs of playing without your partners knowledge that differ to yours does not make them judgemental or preachy."

Actually now I don't agree... We'll said short

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here was I thinking that a swinger site would be full of non judgemental open minded people but it's more like the fucking Catholic church of fifty years ago with people preaching.

What a load of bollix.

Hey buddy, swingers have sex with their partners knowlegde and permission, some of them even join in. Because people have opinions about marrage and the rights and wrongs of playing without your partners knowledge that differ to yours does not make them judgemental or preachy.

Actually now I don't agree... We'll said short"

Jesus Christ Jack.... you have beem around the Fab forums long enough to know your not ment to read anythinh with an open mind and change your opinion

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By *orkchippyMan
over a year ago

Crosshaven

So true

Life is too short

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here was I thinking that a swinger site would be full of non judgemental open minded people but it's more like the fucking Catholic church of fifty years ago with people preaching.

What a load of bollix.

Hey buddy, swingers have sex with their partners knowlegde and permission, some of them even join in. Because people have opinions about marrage and the rights and wrongs of playing without your partners knowledge that differ to yours does not make them judgemental or preachy.

Actually now I don't agree... We'll said short

Jesus Christ Jack.... you have beem around the Fab forums long enough to know your not ment to read anythinh with an open mind and change your opinion "

Long day, plus I'm an emotional mess with conflicting views when I'm tired, ill probably change my opinion before the nights out ,

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By *ommando4Man
over a year ago

South Co. Dublin


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't comment for others only ourselves and that's we both on fab as a couple or not on fab at all.

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By *ommando4Man
over a year ago

South Co. Dublin


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options "

Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

xxx


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected."

Have to agree with this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My reasons for cheating are as good as lies can be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Few years ago I actually preferred dating only married men (less of a chance of someone catching feelings, or them stalking me if I decide to break it off).

Now - all that sneaking around, suiting someone's family time schedules, chances of drama if the wife finds out seems like too much of an effort and I sincerely couldn't be bothered with it. "

I agree totally the same view here. I rather play in front of the wife/partner much more Of a turn on for me really. I want to try keep some morals to a certain extent. I really would not like to be a home wrecker to be quite honest...

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By *igBlondeDommeWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected."

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.?? "

The kids would love that..

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By *igBlondeDommeWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.??

The kids would love that.. "

My kids did. In fact in the end we all did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected."

In my opinion is that not justifying it and playing the blame game on the other?!. It takes two to tango. If you feel your wife has no love or respect for denying you sex then staying just for house and kids is very sad. You said you addressed the issue but how often and did either or your wife ever seek outside help for you both to try work it out. Or if it can't be then go separate ways and civil arrangements can be made for kids etc. Neither of you can life forever like that one would think?!

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By *igBlondeDommeWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

In my opinion is that not justifying it and playing the blame game on the other?!. It takes two to tango. If you feel your wife has no love or respect for denying you sex then staying just for house and kids is very sad. You said you addressed the issue but how often and did either or your wife ever seek outside help for you both to try work it out. Or if it can't be then go separate ways and civil arrangements can be made for kids etc. Neither of you can life forever like that one would think?!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.??

The kids would love that..

My kids did. In fact in the end we all did. "

Glad it did work, but it dosnt for everyone, the poster above said you both win? My point is when it comes to separation not everyone wins..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.??

The kids would love that..

My kids did. In fact in the end we all did.

Glad it did work, but it dosnt for everyone, the poster above said you both win? My point is when it comes to separation not everyone wins.. "

No one really wins either way in these situations....

But I think people underestimate Kids, their ability to pick up on tension and unhappiness in a home and their ability to adjust to seperated parents.

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By *igBlondeDommeWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.??

The kids would love that..

My kids did. In fact in the end we all did.

Glad it did work, but it dosnt for everyone, the poster above said you both win? My point is when it comes to separation not everyone wins.. "

There's no winners. There are survivors. I preferred my kids to be brought up in a home with no lies and arguments. They weren't told the real reason their parents broke up but my eldest has since told me he knew what his father was up to. He hasn't spoken to him in 3 years. Go figure.

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By *igBlondeDommeWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.??

The kids would love that..

My kids did. In fact in the end we all did.

Glad it did work, but it dosnt for everyone, the poster above said you both win? My point is when it comes to separation not everyone wins..

No one really wins either way in these situations....

But I think people underestimate Kids, their ability to pick up on tension and unhappiness in a home and their ability to adjust to seperated parents."

Snap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.??

The kids would love that..

My kids did. In fact in the end we all did.

Glad it did work, but it dosnt for everyone, the poster above said you both win? My point is when it comes to separation not everyone wins..

No one really wins either way in these situations....

But I think people underestimate Kids, their ability to pick up on tension and unhappiness in a home and their ability to adjust to seperated parents."

Yes they adapt alot quicker than we do, and their certainly better off adapting to life outside of a toxic marriage

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.??

The kids would love that..

My kids did. In fact in the end we all did.

Glad it did work, but it dosnt for everyone, the poster above said you both win? My point is when it comes to separation not everyone wins..

There's no winners. There are survivors. I preferred my kids to be brought up in a home with no lies and arguments. They weren't told the real reason their parents broke up but my eldest has since told me he knew what his father was up to. He hasn't spoken to him in 3 years. Go figure. "

Well that's sad imo. I mean I don't know the circumstances and what the father 'was up to'. It's still his father and the reasons the parents separated shouldn't affect the son and father's relationship unless there was violence involved.

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over a year ago

Okay this post is fairly emotive so looking at it from another perspective (not mine made up scenario )you meet at 15 fall in love etc married at 20 promise to be exclusive etc. and for for 20 years everything is wonderful. You are both very happy have two kids Billy age 12 and Mary age 8 everything perfect and life intervenes. You end up for some reason or other their carer sex never on the table again. Your life partner who no one else will ever replace but you are only 40 would you give up sex for ever......

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By *igBlondeDommeWoman
over a year ago

middle of nowhere


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.??

The kids would love that..

My kids did. In fact in the end we all did.

Glad it did work, but it dosnt for everyone, the poster above said you both win? My point is when it comes to separation not everyone wins..

There's no winners. There are survivors. I preferred my kids to be brought up in a home with no lies and arguments. They weren't told the real reason their parents broke up but my eldest has since told me he knew what his father was up to. He hasn't spoken to him in 3 years. Go figure.

Well that's sad imo. I mean I don't know the circumstances and what the father 'was up to'. It's still his father and the reasons the parents separated shouldn't affect the son and father's relationship unless there was violence involved. "

No disrespect DH but you don't know any of the circumstances. The reason they don't speak is entirely between them. Trust is a big thing for my son. And FYI I speak to my ex .

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.??

The kids would love that..

My kids did. In fact in the end we all did.

Glad it did work, but it dosnt for everyone, the poster above said you both win? My point is when it comes to separation not everyone wins..

There's no winners. There are survivors. I preferred my kids to be brought up in a home with no lies and arguments. They weren't told the real reason their parents broke up but my eldest has since told me he knew what his father was up to. He hasn't spoken to him in 3 years. Go figure.

Well that's sad imo. I mean I don't know the circumstances and what the father 'was up to'. It's still his father and the reasons the parents separated shouldn't affect the son and father's relationship unless there was violence involved.

No disrespect DH but you don't know any of the circumstances. The reason they don't speak is entirely between them. Trust is a big thing for my son. And FYI I speak to my ex . "

You're absolutely right I don't know the circumstances nor the people involved like I pointed out myself. But in general to me communication is the key, you only have one father and one mother.

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By *ohndunboyneMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin


"Okay this post is fairly emotive so looking at it from another perspective (not mine made up scenario )you meet at 15 fall in love etc married at 20 promise to be exclusive etc. and for for 20 years everything is wonderful. You are both very happy have two kids Billy age 12 and Mary age 8 everything perfect and life intervenes. You end up for some reason or other their carer sex never on the table again. Your life partner who no one else will ever replace but you are only 40 would you give up sex for ever......"

An excellent scenario to illustrate just one of the possible reasons a married person might be on here, amongst many other scenarios.

If I was the incapacitated one in that scenario, I'd certainly be encouraging my wife to satisfy her physical self outside of the home

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sexual desires in every one is different no matter single or attached, you could meet and sleep with 5 or hundred people in year or be married for 7 or 50 years and have good sex or bad sex but even if sex is good in normal society it suits all if you want to go that extra mile for more sexualgratification which is not accepted in past/current/future society weather its religious/gender/general disgusting to people, this is where sites like this people with certain sexual desires join. To hear people still being called sluts/whores (weather a man or woman) in public to this day does not make since. I'd expect comments like this in public but not in sites like this. Families are broken up over many reasons not just for sex or cheating alone. Trust and honesty goes along ways here but so does discretion. Sex these days is being thrown around like a weapon for the wrong reasons ( some of which is justified but not all). My main point to answer to this post is for a married person their could be thousand of reasons not to be here and thousands of reasons to be on here, if you get caught by your married partner it your responsibility no one else, they will either accept it and tell you no more, continue or finish with you. I could be writing on here for years for the right or wrong reasons to be on here and so could any person on this site. My opinion go with what you are happy with, sites like this are to explore your own needs and their are plenty of sites out their if some don't suit even in pubs/clubs away from where you live if conversations are broadened to suss people sexual appetite out (The pub/club scene is more work as have find like minded people but they are coming out in themselves more but slowly another thing about this both parties need to be upfront on expectations of sex for both parties safety).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Few years ago I actually preferred dating only married men (less of a chance of someone catching feelings, or them stalking me if I decide to break it off).

Now - all that sneaking around, suiting someone's family time schedules, chances of drama if the wife finds out seems like too much of an effort and I sincerely couldn't be bothered with it. "

All of this. I'm not going to try to fit in around someone's restrictions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Okay this post is fairly emotive so looking at it from another perspective (not mine made up scenario )you meet at 15 fall in love etc married at 20 promise to be exclusive etc. and for for 20 years everything is wonderful. You are both very happy have two kids Billy age 12 and Mary age 8 everything perfect and life intervenes. You end up for some reason or other their carer sex never on the table again. Your life partner who no one else will ever replace but you are only 40 would you give up sex for ever......

An excellent scenario to illustrate just one of the possible reasons a married person might be on here, amongst many other scenarios.

If I was the incapacitated one in that scenario, I'd certainly be encouraging my wife to satisfy her physical self outside of the home "

Ah but that would be consent, not cheating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.??

The kids would love that..

My kids did. In fact in the end we all did.

Glad it did work, but it dosnt for everyone, the poster above said you both win? My point is when it comes to separation not everyone wins..

There's no winners. There are survivors. I preferred my kids to be brought up in a home with no lies and arguments. They weren't told the real reason their parents broke up but my eldest has since told me he knew what his father was up to. He hasn't spoken to him in 3 years. Go figure.

Well that's sad imo. I mean I don't know the circumstances and what the father 'was up to'. It's still his father and the reasons the parents separated shouldn't affect the son and father's relationship unless there was violence involved. "

Via the child-parent relationship the child also eventually matires and comes to realise what the parent is truly like as a person. Sometimes the issues that caused the breakup of the marriage may have stemmed from personality traits or behaviour that impact on any close relationship that individual may have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are people's genuine view points on married people on here with out consent.

I'm very honest in my approach and never chase it up if someone says they're not in to attached guys.

I have a sneaking suspicion there are a lot more married women in here than they care to admit!

I think more people on here are married but choose not to admit it which is there choice. I am upfront about it, anyone who meets me knows I am married. In terms of a reason to be here I think it seems obvious. Life is a journey & what may have worked previously may not in the present or the future. I have tried to address the issue of sex with my wife but have been told to get it elsewhere or watch porn & wank. So is it wrong to be here given that advice? Walking away from the marriage as some on this thread have suggested is not as simple in reality, the house is likely to be sold, devastation to the kids & being a weekend dad. Not great options Denying sex to your spouse for multiple years is a far worse betrayal....indicates you have no love or respect for them and don't give a toss about their needs. In the case of sexless marriages in my view the partner withholding is the real betrayal so if the other plays offside it is only natural and to be expected.

What if you just don't excite her anymore?.

What if it's medical reasons?.

And if you think there's no love or respect then why not go your separate ways. That way both people win.??

The kids would love that..

My kids did. In fact in the end we all did.

Glad it did work, but it dosnt for everyone, the poster above said you both win? My point is when it comes to separation not everyone wins..

There's no winners. There are survivors. I preferred my kids to be brought up in a home with no lies and arguments. They weren't told the real reason their parents broke up but my eldest has since told me he knew what his father was up to. He hasn't spoken to him in 3 years. Go figure.

Well that's sad imo. I mean I don't know the circumstances and what the father 'was up to'. It's still his father and the reasons the parents separated shouldn't affect the son and father's relationship unless there was violence involved.

No disrespect DH but you don't know any of the circumstances. The reason they don't speak is entirely between them. Trust is a big thing for my son. And FYI I speak to my ex .

You're absolutely right I don't know the circumstances nor the people involved like I pointed out myself. But in general to me communication is the key, you only have one father and one mother. "

Yea you only have one mother and father but doesnt mean they are perfect either. You mention only if theres violence abuse comes in all forms not only physical mental abuse is worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Okay this post is fairly emotive so looking at it from another perspective (not mine made up scenario )you meet at 15 fall in love etc married at 20 promise to be exclusive etc. and for for 20 years everything is wonderful. You are both very happy have two kids Billy age 12 and Mary age 8 everything perfect and life intervenes. You end up for some reason or other their carer sex never on the table again. Your life partner who no one else will ever replace but you are only 40 would you give up sex for ever......

An excellent scenario to illustrate just one of the possible reasons a married person might be on here, amongst many other scenarios.

If I was the incapacitated one in that scenario, I'd certainly be encouraging my wife to satisfy her physical self outside of the home

Ah but that would be consent, not cheating. "

Yea concent is a completely different thing all together.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If you are happy to lie to your partner then you will have no probs lying to me and I won't play with someone I can't trust simple as that.

Not to argue with your pov, but we all lie to friends and family about meeting people off Fab. Lying isn't restricted to partners. We lie to babysitters about reasons for nights out, we lie to friends when we can't meet up for that spur-of-the-moment drink, and to family members when we tell them it's not really convenient for them to pop around for that cuppa right now, or when they ask how was your weekend.

Fab makes liars of us all. Therefore none of us can be trusted. "

brilliant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn’t agree more with this answer to it, this place is just for the sex that’s what we are here for, marriage on the other hand includes a number of factors that have more to it than sex. If a person is here they are here for one thing that one thing should have nothing else to do with anything else, would we tell the people we work with that we are here on fab???

I don’t think so, so let’s keep fab generally to ourselves and not involve everyone in our lives, just my opinion of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Couldn’t agree more with this answer to it, this place is just for the sex that’s what we are here for, marriage on the other hand includes a number of factors that have more to it than sex. If a person is here they are here for one thing that one thing should have nothing else to do with anything else, would we tell the people we work with that we are here on fab???

I don’t think so, so let’s keep fab generally to ourselves and not involve everyone in our lives, just my opinion of course."

Im not sure thats comparable... unless you have taken vows woth your work mates

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We think it's got to be bad karma.

Imagine not only finding out your husband/wife is cheating.....but they are actively on a swingers site!

That's got to be a major kick in the balls/pussy.

So we don't play with married people whose partner doesn't know

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By *ittlePinkUnicornWoman
over a year ago

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It's a no from me. I have it clearly stated on my profile I don't play with people who are here behind their partners back.

Few years back, for an ex with a long shared history I let my resolve slip and fucked him knowing he had a gf (I was single). I eventually stopped it as I couldn't do it anymore. Then in my next relationship I was cheated on. I felt all the feelings that gf would have felt if she had found out. I deserved it.

I love sex, but there's plenty of single guys to play with, without getting involved in that again.

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By *ickheadcuntCouple
over a year ago

Cork Ireland


"It's a no from me. I have it clearly stated on my profile I don't play with people who are here behind their partners back.

Few years back, for an ex with a long shared history I let my resolve slip and fucked him knowing he had a gf (I was single). I eventually stopped it as I couldn't do it anymore. Then in my next relationship I was cheated on. I felt all the feelings that gf would have felt if she had found out. I deserved it.

I love sex, but there's plenty of single guys to play with, without getting involved in that again."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Until your in the situation of a sexless marriage, ( apologies, maybe 3/4 times a year if your lucky!! ), then feel free to make comments on the guy or guys that's on fab!!! There's lots of reasons not to walk out of the marriage, plus ones to leave the marriage, but it's the collateral damage you leave behind is the issue!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Until your in the situation of a sexless marriage, ( apologies, maybe 3/4 times a year if your lucky!! ), then feel free to make comments on the guy or guys that's on fab!!! There's lots of reasons not to walk out of the marriage, plus ones to leave the marriage, but it's the collateral damage you leave behind is the issue!!! "

The OP asked for peoples opinions, so people gave them. Or would you rather a situation on here where people only comment if they agree? It would make the forums quite boring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Until your in the situation of a sexless marriage, ( apologies, maybe 3/4 times a year if your lucky!! ), then feel free to make comments on the guy or guys that's on fab!!! There's lots of reasons not to walk out of the marriage, plus ones to leave the marriage, but it's the collateral damage you leave behind is the issue!!!

The OP asked for peoples opinions, so people gave them. Or would you rather a situation on here where people only comment if they agree? It would make the forums quite boring.

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It's a forum!! People can say what they want!! Either to my comment or others!!

But you seem to like my posts? You've replied to a lot of mine???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Until your in the situation of a sexless marriage, ( apologies, maybe 3/4 times a year if your lucky!! ), then feel free to make comments on the guy or guys that's on fab!!! There's lots of reasons not to walk out of the marriage, plus ones to leave the marriage, but it's the collateral damage you leave behind is the issue!!!

The OP asked for peoples opinions, so people gave them. Or would you rather a situation on here where people only comment if they agree? It would make the forums quite boring.

It's a forum!! People can say what they want!! Either to my comment or others!!

But you seem to like my posts? You've replied to a lot of mine???"

I reply to loads of people James, just see above, sorry if I cant recall other times we interacted. Its nothong personal I just comment when O see something of interest.

My only point was I dont think everyone has to have the same expiriance to share views.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Until your in the situation of a sexless marriage, ( apologies, maybe 3/4 times a year if your lucky!! ), then feel free to make comments on the guy or guys that's on fab!!! There's lots of reasons not to walk out of the marriage, plus ones to leave the marriage, but it's the collateral damage you leave behind is the issue!!!

The OP asked for peoples opinions, so people gave them. Or would you rather a situation on here where people only comment if they agree? It would make the forums quite boring.

It's a forum!! People can say what they want!! Either to my comment or others!!

But you seem to like my posts? You've replied to a lot of mine???

I reply to loads of people James, just see above, sorry if I cant recall other times we interacted. Its nothong personal I just comment when O see something of interest.

My only point was I dont think everyone has to have the same expiriance to share views."

Well aren't they lucky!!! And I hope they never have to experience it either!!!

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