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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Welllll hadn't leo some cheek to demand that nurses and consultants give up their Xmas leave and work because the hse winter plan ain't working.. And they expected to do this as himself and Simon Harris have two weeks off before Xmas and another two off after it to recover.. How about the two of them set about fixing the problems themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Welllll hadn't leo some cheek to demand that nurses and consultants give up their Xmas leave and work because the hse winter plan ain't working.. And they expected to do this as himself and Simon Harris have two weeks off before Xmas and another two off after it to recover.. How about the two of them set about fixing the problems themselves. "

Ya seen that yesterday, he is living in the clouds

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Ya he sure is in them.. With the fairy's.. Lol

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By *rancis0741Man
over a year ago

DUBLIN

Well plenty of people work over Christmas. Hospitals practically close down for over a week which is not on for a frontline service

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One minister is call for all minister to work over Christmas just watching leaders question there just a bunch of wankers that all they are and the people of Ireland keep voting these same wankers in.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What leo is saying he almost demands these people that has their entitled Xmas holidays to take give it all up and work because the wankers in government are not able or just couldn't be bothered to recruit extra staff to sort the mess out. They have had years to do this.. Buy why should they care when they have four well paid weeks off to keep their fat arsed warm at their own fires

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

Its obvious they are just the same as the last shower they dont really care about the health service or the homeless crisis..they cant wait to be voted out so they can retire and collect their grossly inflated pensions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the risk of being mauled here...

Just because the Dial breaks doesnt mean all TD's take holidays.

My local TD was around all last christmas in her local office helping community members.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A wanker no different then the wankers that done the job before him....if you can call it that

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By *ailburkeMan
over a year ago

near you

Im no leo lover

Buy in saying that i just heard what he said

And my take on it was he said people should not be given leave A/L in jan at the peaattime there are needed maybe i didnt hear the full comment but he never said people should be made work the main holiday days over xmass

Media jumping on sound bites

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By *murphMan
over a year ago

drogheda

Leo is a doctor why does not lead by example and give his Christmas up and work in a and e it would be a vote catcher lol

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By *kcoupleCouple
over a year ago

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No fan of Leo but I really don't see the problem here. In any other sector a small few people are allowed off at any one time. Would people still have the same opinion if you rocked up to A&E over xmas only to be told your wait will be an extra 24 hours because all holiday requests were granted. Outrage shouldn't always be our first reaction. Even a clown like Leo makes some good points

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By *ustjimmykerryMan
over a year ago

Limerick

Leo was born with the silver spoon in his mouth. His record as taoiseach is abysmal. He has the cut of the sasanach about him and no interest in anyone who lives outside of Dublin. A national embarrassment and one that was never ever voted in by the people of Ireland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No fan of Leo but I really don't see the problem here. In any other sector a small few people are allowed off at any one time. Would people still have the same opinion if you rocked up to A&E over xmas only to be told your wait will be an extra 24 hours because all holiday requests were granted. Outrage shouldn't always be our first reaction. Even a clown like Leo makes some good points "

Have to agree, I've always worked in the private sector where annual leave is taken with due regard given to the workplace demands at the time. It seems hysteria is the automatic response of the public sector to any suggestion that they take a good look at their own practices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Work in public sector and we only have Christmas day and stevens day off we let people with small kids have the first option to take a few days off over the holiday

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"At the risk of being mauled here...

Just because the Dial breaks doesnt mean all TD's take holidays.

My local TD was around all last christmas in her local office helping community members."

To counter that just because a Dail is in session doesn't mean they are actually working either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"At the risk of being mauled here...

Just because the Dial breaks doesnt mean all TD's take holidays.

My local TD was around all last christmas in her local office helping community members.

To counter that just because a Dail is in session doesn't mean they are actually working either "

But you could say that for any work place

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

The health services in the country will never be fixed because no one has the stomach to do what's needed.

There needs to be a cull of administration/middle management.

Increments to be done away with and bring in performance related pay rises and bonuses

Pay frontline staff better basic pay to encourage more people into the service

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By *kcoupleCouple
over a year ago

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"The health services in the country will never be fixed because no one has the stomach to do what's needed.

There needs to be a cull of administration/middle management.

Increments to be done away with and bring in performance related pay rises and bonuses

Pay frontline staff better basic pay to encourage more people into the service

"

Pretty much hit the nail on the head but unfortunately the unions will never let that happen. They can't even get consultants to stick to their contracted hours in public hospitals. When it was suggested a few months ago they clock in and out they threatened strike action as did most front line staff when asked to do the same. There is no will to change from the bottom up. Sad but true. You can't always blame the politicians.

As Leo said as recently as today, he has no power to tell them to do anything but nearly point out obvious best practice. HSE managers make the calls, bet you couldn't name a single one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First world problems!!!

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By *illbillMan
over a year ago

dublin


"At the risk of being mauled here...

Just because the Dial breaks doesnt mean all TD's take holidays.

My local TD was around all last christmas in her local office helping community members."

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By *illbillMan
over a year ago

dublin

Instead of jumping down his throat at his suggestion give it some thought. It makes sense. If hospitals are under pressure over winter and especially at xmas it makes sense to ensure there is adequate staff. You would hardly expect to find all the pilots on holidays during a busy bank holiday. The same people giving out at this suggestion will also complain if they are admited to hospital and there isnt adequate staff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suspect those working in retail might puzzle why there is a system where staff take holidays when the system is at full stretch. If a shop worker on minimum wage demanded two weeks off over Christmas they would be told take the rest of the year off.

But cossetted civil servants earning vast salaries with gold plated pensions and weeks of "sick " days they always claim complain when it's suggested they might take holidays at times that suit their patients.

Imagine that. The cheek of some people!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only one solution. Bring back the guillotine. The French politicians are still very not to upset the people 300 years after all the heads rolled.

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By *illbillMan
over a year ago

dublin

Ive family who work in hse. Far from gold platted salary. Evern penny earned is earned by hard graft. I worked in retail many moons ago and it was flat out at christmas and no holiday exception. I think leos suggestion carries some merit. Its worth considering to compare it to last years mid winter trolley crisis. Its a pity people arent as progressive in forward thinking instead of complaining

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didnt say gold plated salaries. Public service salaries are just paid 10 to 30% better than the private sector. The gold plating is the pension that blows away anything mere mortals who can lose their jobs. And of course the extra holidays extra sick days they get.

As I said how dare we who pay public servants suggest they don't take holidays at busy times. The cheek of us.

Do we think civil servants are there to serve the public? How stupid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a public servant and know plenty of people in private sector who earn more than me.

As someone else said middle management etc needs to be cut, bonuses etc. Need to be cut, Frontline staff need better working conditions and better pay, the stress that nurses etc are under is unreal and yet they are the one helping our family members etc.

And before anyone jumps down my throat I'm working this Xmas and new year's just like I did last year. I haven't asked for time off as some of my colleagues have young families and they should spend their leave with them, the leave they are entitled to as they have worked for it.

Again the government and media are trying to draw a line down the middle between the private sector and public sector.

At end of day our government sit how many days a year? If I was in that job and only worked so many days how many days of leave would I have worked up. And yes we seem to keep voting the same bad lot in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a public servant and know plenty of people in private sector who earn more than me.

As someone else said middle management etc needs to be cut, bonuses etc. Need to be cut, Frontline staff need better working conditions and better pay, the stress that nurses etc are under is unreal and yet they are the one helping our family members etc.

And before anyone jumps down my throat I'm working this Xmas and new year's just like I did last year. I haven't asked for time off as some of my colleagues have young families and they should spend their leave with them, the leave they are entitled to as they have worked for it.

Again the government and media are trying to draw a line down the middle between the private sector and public sector.

At end of day our government sit how many days a year? If I was in that job and only worked so many days how many days of leave would I have worked up. And yes we seem to keep voting the same bad lot in.

"
Steph I'm public sector too and the....notions we'll say that the people have in relation to pay/pensions for my job are way off....sometimes it's hard not to laugh ( or cry ) when they tells the great pay and perks we apparently are entitled too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a public servant and know plenty of people in private sector who earn more than me.

As someone else said middle management etc needs to be cut, bonuses etc. Need to be cut, Frontline staff need better working conditions and better pay, the stress that nurses etc are under is unreal and yet they are the one helping our family members etc.

And before anyone jumps down my throat I'm working this Xmas and new year's just like I did last year. I haven't asked for time off as some of my colleagues have young families and they should spend their leave with them, the leave they are entitled to as they have worked for it.

Again the government and media are trying to draw a line down the middle between the private sector and public sector.

At end of day our government sit how many days a year? If I was in that job and only worked so many days how many days of leave would I have worked up. And yes we seem to keep voting the same bad lot in.

Steph I'm public sector too and the....notions we'll say that the people have in relation to pay/pensions for my job are way off....sometimes it's hard not to laugh ( or cry ) when they tells the great pay and perks we apparently are entitled too "

Yep and when they are all tucked in bed at 4am tonight I'll b on my 2nd coffee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a public servant and know plenty of people in private sector who earn more than me.

As someone else said middle management etc needs to be cut, bonuses etc. Need to be cut, Frontline staff need better working conditions and better pay, the stress that nurses etc are under is unreal and yet they are the one helping our family members etc.

And before anyone jumps down my throat I'm working this Xmas and new year's just like I did last year. I haven't asked for time off as some of my colleagues have young families and they should spend their leave with them, the leave they are entitled to as they have worked for it.

Again the government and media are trying to draw a line down the middle between the private sector and public sector.

At end of day our government sit how many days a year? If I was in that job and only worked so many days how many days of leave would I have worked up. And yes we seem to keep voting the same bad lot in.

Steph I'm public sector too and the....notions we'll say that the people have in relation to pay/pensions for my job are way off....sometimes it's hard not to laugh ( or cry ) when they tells the great pay and perks we apparently are entitled too

Yep and when they are all tucked in bed at 4am tonight I'll b on my 2nd coffee"
Or being told ...but ye guys get €24 an hour for a 24 hour shift ..eh no,sorry mate that's €24 for a 24 hour shift before its taxed...we love that one so we do..

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

The hse is a mess, the a&e is a mess.

If you arrive with a stroke in a hospital in Dublin, then your only hope of being treated fast is that the stroke unit doctors have not clocked off. If you arrive at 8pm on Friday, then it will be monday before you're seen. And thats Dublin. In the country if you take a heart attack you can arrive in an A&E that will do nothing for you at all, they will just phone around and see if transport is available to get you to another hospital 3/4 hours away.

And everyone who works in the HSE is corrupt, every single one of them.

Have a doctor do something wrong to you. Nurses, other doctors, other consultants, maybe even anesthesiologist can witness it, and none of them can say they seen anything wrong. You will have to go to the UK and pay a grand or two to get an medical opinion that they did something wrong, and it will take years. They can kill you and if your family has several doctors opinions to the fact from abroad but run out of money for legal fees and have to drop the case, the HSE will then sue your family.

I was told that the HSE are pro abortion, that the head of the HSE is pro abortion, that Leo is pro abortion, so they are not even christians, so why they need the day off?

Waste from the top to the bottom, its no wonder everyone who can leaves, and they have trouble keeping them due to their closed shop attitudes.

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By *hocko87Man
over a year ago

dublin

They are all a gang of wallies

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"The hse is a mess, the a&e is a mess.

If you arrive with a stroke in a hospital in Dublin, then your only hope of being treated fast is that the stroke unit doctors have not clocked off. If you arrive at 8pm on Friday, then it will be monday before you're seen. And thats Dublin. In the country if you take a heart attack you can arrive in an A&E that will do nothing for you at all, they will just phone around and see if transport is available to get you to another hospital 3/4 hours away.

And everyone who works in the HSE is corrupt, every single one of them.

Have a doctor do something wrong to you. Nurses, other doctors, other consultants, maybe even anesthesiologist can witness it, and none of them can say they seen anything wrong. You will have to go to the UK and pay a grand or two to get an medical opinion that they did something wrong, and it will take years. They can kill you and if your family has several doctors opinions to the fact from abroad but run out of money for legal fees and have to drop the case, the HSE will then sue your family.

I was told that the HSE are pro abortion, that the head of the HSE is pro abortion, that Leo is pro abortion, so they are not even christians, so why they need the day off?

Waste from the top to the bottom, its no wonder everyone who can leaves, and they have trouble keeping them due to their closed shop attitudes."

You really have a gard on for abortions what has the state of the hse got to do with being pro or anti abortion?? That's like equating the reason for the shambles of the hse is because the head of it believes that French cars are better than German. It has no connection at all. I'm just surprised that you haven't lumped in gay people and sti's into your case too.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"You really have a gard on for abortions what has the state of the hse got to do with being pro or anti abortion?? That's like equating the reason for the shambles of the hse is because the head of it believes that French cars are better than German. It has no connection at all. I'm just surprised that you haven't lumped in gay people and sti's into your case too. "

Christmas is a christian holiday? and they had to kick the christians out of the hospital boards to allow abortion to happen.

My point was two part, the HSE is a shambles, and it is not christian, so does not need christmas holidays.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"You really have a gard on for abortions what has the state of the hse got to do with being pro or anti abortion?? That's like equating the reason for the shambles of the hse is because the head of it believes that French cars are better than German. It has no connection at all. I'm just surprised that you haven't lumped in gay people and sti's into your case too.

Christmas is a christian holiday? and they had to kick the christians out of the hospital boards to allow abortion to happen.

My point was two part, the HSE is a shambles, and it is not christian, so does not need christmas holidays.

"

Ok so let me get this anyone pro abortion isn't/can't be Christian so shouldn't have time off over Xmas as it's a Christian holiday?

So non Irish people shouldn't have time off on paddy's day as they are not Irish?

Isn't Christmas just a rip off of saturnalia used to appease the masses when Rome converted to Christianity?

Your argument holds no water.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The hse is a mess, the a&e is a mess.

If you arrive with a stroke in a hospital in Dublin, then your only hope of being treated fast is that the stroke unit doctors have not clocked off. If you arrive at 8pm on Friday, then it will be monday before you're seen. And thats Dublin. In the country if you take a heart attack you can arrive in an A&E that will do nothing for you at all, they will just phone around and see if transport is available to get you to another hospital 3/4 hours away.

And everyone who works in the HSE is corrupt, every single one of them.

Have a doctor do something wrong to you. Nurses, other doctors, other consultants, maybe even anesthesiologist can witness it, and none of them can say they seen anything wrong. You will have to go to the UK and pay a grand or two to get an medical opinion that they did something wrong, and it will take years. They can kill you and if your family has several doctors opinions to the fact from abroad but run out of money for legal fees and have to drop the case, the HSE will then sue your family.

I was told that the HSE are pro abortion, that the head of the HSE is pro abortion, that Leo is pro abortion, so they are not even christians, so why they need the day off?

Waste from the top to the bottom, its no wonder everyone who can leaves, and they have trouble keeping them due to their closed shop attitudes."
I'd suggest stepping into a nurses shoes for 48 hours before you judge...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sorry but public servants crying that they are not THAT well paid and sure they might have a heart attack at 66 and not see their pension is crap and you know it. You know full well you do far better than the poor fools in the private sector that do similar work.

Your union officials even manage to keep a straight face when they say " well private sector workers should have the same terms and conditions as us ". No they can't because if they did the country would go broke!

I sat at a clinic today beside a guard who had exactly the same surgery as me at the same time 3 weeks ago and we were both been reviewed. I took 3 days off after surgery. She was explaining to the doctor she wanted a sick cert for 3 more months and then "we'll see".

It's a complete and utter joke. The public service are riding the rest of us and we are you stupid to say anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tnx it is d weeks b4 Christmas that are the busiest..lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Typo! Tbh not tnx.

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By *lucard5Man
over a year ago

kerry capital


"Leo was born with the silver spoon in his mouth. His record as taoiseach is abysmal. He has the cut of the sasanach about him and no interest in anyone who lives outside of Dublin. A national embarrassment and one that was never ever voted in by the people of Ireland."
yes I agree with all you said. He's an attention seeking prat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sorry but public servants crying that they are not THAT well paid and sure they might have a heart attack at 66 and not see their pension is crap and you know it. You know full well you do far better than the poor fools in the private sector that do similar work.

Your union officials even manage to keep a straight face when they say " well private sector workers should have the same terms and conditions as us ". No they can't because if they did the country would go broke!

I sat at a clinic today beside a guard who had exactly the same surgery as me at the same time 3 weeks ago and we were both been reviewed. I took 3 days off after surgery. She was explaining to the doctor she wanted a sick cert for 3 more months and then "we'll see".

It's a complete and utter joke. The public service are riding the rest of us and we are you stupid to say anything "

I have worked in the private sector since I was 16, was self employed for 4 years and in the public sector 2.5 yrs and I'm honestly on crap money for the hours I work, yes some of my colleagues are on serious money and a long time in the public sector and would not know a hard day work if it crawled up their arse but don't paint us all with the same brush. And as for sick certs good luck to her taking time off if people only knew some of the stuff that Frontline emergency services deal with they would run a mile.

I have worked both sides and I loved been self employed but unfortunately it didn't work out for me, the one thing I have in my job is security but at 44 with my own home and a kid to put through college I'm bloody damn glad of it. But honestly not all public servants are on the big money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sorry but public servants crying that they are not THAT well paid and sure they might have a heart attack at 66 and not see their pension is crap and you know it. You know full well you do far better than the poor fools in the private sector that do similar work.

Your union officials even manage to keep a straight face when they say " well private sector workers should have the same terms and conditions as us ". No they can't because if they did the country would go broke!

I sat at a clinic today beside a guard who had exactly the same surgery as me at the same time 3 weeks ago and we were both been reviewed. I took 3 days off after surgery. She was explaining to the doctor she wanted a sick cert for 3 more months and then "we'll see".

It's a complete and utter joke. The public service are riding the rest of us and we are you stupid to say anything

I have worked in the private sector since I was 16, was self employed for 4 years and in the public sector 2.5 yrs and I'm honestly on crap money for the hours I work, yes some of my colleagues are on serious money and a long time in the public sector and would not know a hard day work if it crawled up their arse but don't paint us all with the same brush. And as for sick certs good luck to her taking time off if people only knew some of the stuff that Frontline emergency services deal with they would run a mile.

I have worked both sides and I loved been self employed but unfortunately it didn't work out for me, the one thing I have in my job is security but at 44 with my own home and a kid to put through college I'm bloody damn glad of it. But honestly not all public servants are on the big money. "
Wouldnt worry about it Steph that seems to be the typical attitude that everyone in the public sector is rolling in €€€.... i know people in public sector jobs who have to claim FIS for F##Ksake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sorry but public servants crying that they are not THAT well paid and sure they might have a heart attack at 66 and not see their pension is crap and you know it. You know full well you do far better than the poor fools in the private sector that do similar work.

Your union officials even manage to keep a straight face when they say " well private sector workers should have the same terms and conditions as us ". No they can't because if they did the country would go broke!

I sat at a clinic today beside a guard who had exactly the same surgery as me at the same time 3 weeks ago and we were both been reviewed. I took 3 days off after surgery. She was explaining to the doctor she wanted a sick cert for 3 more months and then "we'll see".

It's a complete and utter joke. The public service are riding the rest of us and we are you stupid to say anything

I have worked in the private sector since I was 16, was self employed for 4 years and in the public sector 2.5 yrs and I'm honestly on crap money for the hours I work, yes some of my colleagues are on serious money and a long time in the public sector and would not know a hard day work if it crawled up their arse but don't paint us all with the same brush. And as for sick certs good luck to her taking time off if people only knew some of the stuff that Frontline emergency services deal with they would run a mile.

I have worked both sides and I loved been self employed but unfortunately it didn't work out for me, the one thing I have in my job is security but at 44 with my own home and a kid to put through college I'm bloody damn glad of it. But honestly not all public servants are on the big money. Wouldnt worry about it Steph that seems to be the typical attitude that everyone in the public sector is rolling in €€€.... i know people in public sector jobs who have to claim FIS for F##Ksake "

I don't when people make a comment I tell them the hours I do in the 6 days doesn't b long shutting them up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sorry but public servants crying that they are not THAT well paid and sure they might have a heart attack at 66 and not see their pension is crap and you know it. You know full well you do far better than the poor fools in the private sector that do similar work.

Your union officials even manage to keep a straight face when they say " well private sector workers should have the same terms and conditions as us ". No they can't because if they did the country would go broke!

I sat at a clinic today beside a guard who had exactly the same surgery as me at the same time 3 weeks ago and we were both been reviewed. I took 3 days off after surgery. She was explaining to the doctor she wanted a sick cert for 3 more months and then "we'll see".

It's a complete and utter joke. The public service are riding the rest of us and we are you stupid to say anything

I have worked in the private sector since I was 16, was self employed for 4 years and in the public sector 2.5 yrs and I'm honestly on crap money for the hours I work, yes some of my colleagues are on serious money and a long time in the public sector and would not know a hard day work if it crawled up their arse but don't paint us all with the same brush. And as for sick certs good luck to her taking time off if people only knew some of the stuff that Frontline emergency services deal with they would run a mile.

I have worked both sides and I loved been self employed but unfortunately it didn't work out for me, the one thing I have in my job is security but at 44 with my own home and a kid to put through college I'm bloody damn glad of it. But honestly not all public servants are on the big money. Wouldnt worry about it Steph that seems to be the typical attitude that everyone in the public sector is rolling in €€€.... i know people in public sector jobs who have to claim FIS for F##Ksake

I don't when people make a comment I tell them the hours I do in the 6 days doesn't b long shutting them up. "

Firstly thank you both for your service to our public services

Saying that I have work closely with public authority and local goverment for the last 10 years and there are serious structural and hr issues that need to be addressed(not your fauly I know).

Alot of the public sector is run like a terrible private sector business which pisses off the staff - you guys and the customers - you guys again and us.

The only problem is that in the private sector the customers can go elsewhere and the terribly run companies have to change or close.

The public sector cant just close which leads to the issue of badly run departments or poorly performing employees not being changed or fired.

I know from speaking with friends that its a frustrating for fellow public service workers as it is for everyone else.

Someone said about media and goverment playing both sides off each other and it has worked a charm for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sorry but public servants crying that they are not THAT well paid and sure they might have a heart attack at 66 and not see their pension is crap and you know it. You know full well you do far better than the poor fools in the private sector that do similar work.

Your union officials even manage to keep a straight face when they say " well private sector workers should have the same terms and conditions as us ". No they can't because if they did the country would go broke!

I sat at a clinic today beside a guard who had exactly the same surgery as me at the same time 3 weeks ago and we were both been reviewed. I took 3 days off after surgery. She was explaining to the doctor she wanted a sick cert for 3 more months and then "we'll see".

It's a complete and utter joke. The public service are riding the rest of us and we are you stupid to say anything

I have worked in the private sector since I was 16, was self employed for 4 years and in the public sector 2.5 yrs and I'm honestly on crap money for the hours I work, yes some of my colleagues are on serious money and a long time in the public sector and would not know a hard day work if it crawled up their arse but don't paint us all with the same brush. And as for sick certs good luck to her taking time off if people only knew some of the stuff that Frontline emergency services deal with they would run a mile.

I have worked both sides and I loved been self employed but unfortunately it didn't work out for me, the one thing I have in my job is security but at 44 with my own home and a kid to put through college I'm bloody damn glad of it. But honestly not all public servants are on the big money. Wouldnt worry about it Steph that seems to be the typical attitude that everyone in the public sector is rolling in €€€.... i know people in public sector jobs who have to claim FIS for F##Ksake

I don't when people make a comment I tell them the hours I do in the 6 days doesn't b long shutting them up.

Firstly thank you both for your service to our public services

Saying that I have work closely with public authority and local goverment for the last 10 years and there are serious structural and hr issues that need to be addressed(not your fauly I know).

Alot of the public sector is run like a terrible private sector business which pisses off the staff - you guys and the customers - you guys again and us.

The only problem is that in the private sector the customers can go elsewhere and the terribly run companies have to change or close.

The public sector cant just close which leads to the issue of badly run departments or poorly performing employees not being changed or fired.

I know from speaking with friends that its a frustrating for fellow public service workers as it is for everyone else.

Someone said about media and goverment playing both sides off each other and it has worked a charm for them.

"

Yep totally agree. Coming from the private sector and been self employed some of the attitudes etc in the public sector is shocking, the waste and incompetence is scary, a lot of top heavy and middle management who are useless, and I can guarantee you none of the management in the hospitals etc will be working over the Xmas or New year period. Some staff in the public sector wouldn't last a week. And I definitely do think the government and media are creating a divide.

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By *hostheman1972Man
over a year ago

tipperary

I work in the front line , try stepping into a nurses shoes 13 hour shifts if you are lucky , you might might get a bite to eat on the run, total burnout , but you try and advocate the best care for your patients.

I see the point of keeping a service going over the christmas period but a hospital does not run on Doctors and nurses alone, you need x ray , lab , transport house hold staff to keep the flow of the hospital going . Try and discharge a patient to a private nursing home over christmas and see what answer you get.

But hey its ok for Politicians to take their holidays on Dec 15th and come back sometime Mid Jan

Rant over

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over a year ago


"I work in the front line , try stepping into a nurses shoes 13 hour shifts if you are lucky , you might might get a bite to eat on the run, total burnout , but you try and advocate the best care for your patients.

I see the point of keeping a service going over the christmas period but a hospital does not run on Doctors and nurses alone, you need x ray , lab , transport house hold staff to keep the flow of the hospital going . Try and discharge a patient to a private nursing home over christmas and see what answer you get.

But hey its ok for Politicians to take their holidays on Dec 15th and come back sometime Mid Jan

Rant over "
I totally agree with you there. Which confirms my op.. Like every conterveresary that has happened in this country no one of the top dogs or management will ever be held responsible for their own doings. If we had say 700 people on trolleys tomorrow in a and e s u would have the same ol shite coming from Harris and Leo... Oh this is unacceptably and we will put a plan into action to reduce this etc etc.. Same ol dribble.. Can't understand how health and safety can stand by while this happens in corridors.. They can remove one of a building site for not wearing a helmet.. But hell no prob leaving exit doors and corridors blocked in heaven forbid the need of protential mass evacuation

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By *hostheman1972Man
over a year ago

tipperary


"I work in the front line , try stepping into a nurses shoes 13 hour shifts if you are lucky , you might might get a bite to eat on the run, total burnout , but you try and advocate the best care for your patients.

I see the point of keeping a service going over the christmas period but a hospital does not run on Doctors and nurses alone, you need x ray , lab , transport house hold staff to keep the flow of the hospital going . Try and discharge a patient to a private nursing home over christmas and see what answer you get.

But hey its ok for Politicians to take their holidays on Dec 15th and come back sometime Mid Jan

Rant over I totally agree with you there. Which confirms my op.. Like every conterveresary that has happened in this country no one of the top dogs or management will ever be held responsible for their own doings. If we had say 700 people on trolleys tomorrow in a and e s u would have the same ol shite coming from Harris and Leo... Oh this is unacceptably and we will put a plan into action to reduce this etc etc.. Same ol dribble.. Can't understand how health and safety can stand by while this happens in corridors.. They can remove one of a building site for not wearing a helmet.. But hell no prob leaving exit doors and corridors blocked in heaven forbid the need of protential mass evacuation "

Fair point . The quality of doctors coming in to replace those who are burnt out , is going to cost the tax payer millions, but shur just throw money at it . Each dept should get their budget and be accountable for it at ward level then you would see bang for your buck

.Anyway back to trying to get a meet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Possibly our most incompetent Taoiseach ever. He's just been lucky foreign investment has (just about) helped prop up our house of cards for the time being.

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By *oreignaffairKKMan
over a year ago

Between CW and KK


"... And they expected to do this as himself and Simon Harris have two weeks off before Xmas and another two off after it to recover.."

Ahh c'mon, there is not much to do just three month before the anarchy outbreaks in the UK...

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"I'd suggest stepping into a nurses shoes for 48 hours before you judge..."

Bad attitude to have, just accept it because their job is hard, and let them have time off even though they are not christian and sure everyone can just foot the bill.

We can all start throwing around jobs that are hard to do. I worked in a job that I could not have christmas off. If you were single with no kids your chance of even making a phone call home reduced down to close to zero. My family have had more than one christmas with no contact from me, not knowing where I am, if I am dead or alive. I have been so tired and exhausted i have been shaking all over, unable to lift myself with my own strength and needing other people to help me stand up, and still having to work on.

But I loved every single minute of it, and it was the best job I ever had.

I understand a lot of HSE workers might have low job satisfaction, but there are ways to tackle that without shutting the whole thing down.

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over a year ago


"I'd suggest stepping into a nurses shoes for 48 hours before you judge...

Bad attitude to have, just accept it because their job is hard, and let them have time off even though they are not christian and sure everyone can just foot the bill.

We can all start throwing around jobs that are hard to do. I worked in a job that I could not have christmas off. If you were single with no kids your chance of even making a phone call home reduced down to close to zero. My family have had more than one christmas with no contact from me, not knowing where I am, if I am dead or alive. I have been so tired and exhausted i have been shaking all over, unable to lift myself with my own strength and needing other people to help me stand up, and still having to work on.

But I loved every single minute of it, and it was the best job I ever had.

I understand a lot of HSE workers might have low job satisfaction, but there are ways to tackle that without shutting the whole thing down."

Jesus what the feck were ya doing?

In relation to Christmas the 25th 26th and 1st of January are oublic holidays so apply to all not just Christians

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"I sat at a clinic today beside a guard who had exactly the same surgery as me at the same time 3 weeks ago and we were both been reviewed. I took 3 days off after surgery. She was explaining to the doctor she wanted a sick cert for 3 more months and then "we'll see"."

That's a scam to do with overtime caps. I don't understand it fully, but they work their overtime quota then take time off sick, and the sick pay will pay out more than they would get if they were in work.

The people doing the scam will have one year off, fully paid, for every 4/5 worked.

I have no idea if the scam works in all sectors like hse/army/fire whatever, I just know its a scam the cops do.

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By *hostheman1972Man
over a year ago

tipperary


"I'd suggest stepping into a nurses shoes for 48 hours before you judge...

Bad attitude to have, just accept it because their job is hard, and let them have time off even though they are not christian and sure everyone can just foot the bill.

We can all start throwing around jobs that are hard to do. I worked in a job that I could not have christmas off. If you were single with no kids your chance of even making a phone call home reduced down to close to zero. My family have had more than one christmas with no contact from me, not knowing where I am, if I am dead or alive. I have been so tired and exhausted i have been shaking all over, unable to lift myself with my own strength and needing other people to help me stand up, and still having to work on.

But I loved every single minute of it, and it was the best job I ever had.

I understand a lot of HSE workers might have low job satisfaction, but there are ways to tackle that without shutting the whole thing down."

So lets say you have a loved one in hospital been looked after by a nurse or doctor who are looking after a lot more patients than they are supposed too,

I am 100 % sure you would want the best care and rightly so, in another job as you state where one works extreamly hard but if an error is made nine time out of ten noboby dies. Unfortunately this is not the case with the most seriously ill in our hospitals , hense the amount of cases that are ending up in the high court.

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By *hostheman1972Man
over a year ago

tipperary

Will TDs cancel Christmas for themselves to sort out the housing crisis, Broadband , Brexit etc,,,

I dont think so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will TDs cancel Christmas for themselves to sort out the housing crisis, Broadband , Brexit etc,,,

I dont think so "

As I posted above my local TD's and most I have heard anything about do not just shut up shop when the Dial isnt in session.

Frontline public workers work hard and not for as much money as they should be on, but you dont have a monopoly on hard work or poor conditions and nobody forced you into the job. The constant self pitying attitude displayed by you shows really low awarness for how hard some others have it who get paid a hell of a lot less than you, and does public workers no favours when it comes to how you are viewed by the private sector who in general would support your position

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over a year ago

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over a year ago


"I sat at a clinic today beside a guard who had exactly the same surgery as me at the same time 3 weeks ago and we were both been reviewed. I took 3 days off after surgery. She was explaining to the doctor she wanted a sick cert for 3 more months and then "we'll see".

That's a scam to do with overtime caps. I don't understand it fully, but they work their overtime quota then take time off sick, and the sick pay will pay out more than they would get if they were in work.

The people doing the scam will have one year off, fully paid, for every 4/5 worked.

I have no idea if the scam works in all sectors like hse/army/fire whatever, I just know its a scam the cops do."
no it doesn't work in the army things changed a long time back...

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over a year ago


"I sat at a clinic today beside a guard who had exactly the same surgery as me at the same time 3 weeks ago and we were both been reviewed. I took 3 days off after surgery. She was explaining to the doctor she wanted a sick cert for 3 more months and then "we'll see".

That's a scam to do with overtime caps. I don't understand it fully, but they work their overtime quota then take time off sick, and the sick pay will pay out more than they would get if they were in work.

The people doing the scam will have one year off, fully paid, for every 4/5 worked.

I have no idea if the scam works in all sectors like hse/army/fire whatever, I just know its a scam the cops do."
Well I'm a Nurse 18 yrs & I've never come across anything like this.Never seen or heard of anything remotely similar under the old Health Boards or the current HSE.

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By *ronj1Man
over a year ago

Galway

It's worse this prick is getting

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By *hechapMan
over a year ago

Derry

They should all join the NI assembly. They dont need to go in any day of the year but still get full pay.

The old gravy train keeps on running...

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