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By *longshott OP   Man
over a year ago

Limerick

I've been seeing a lot about this in the papers. Even with all the information is this a viable proposition in a society like ours?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've left it to incompetent politicians for years to sort it out and they've made a dogs arse of it. You said it...we're a society..not just an economy and a society is judged on how it treats its vulnerable citizens. It's about time we took back our country from the vested interests that destroyed it.

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By *longshott OP   Man
over a year ago

Limerick


"We've left it to incompetent politicians for years to sort it out and they've made a dogs arse of it. You said it...we're a society..not just an economy and a society is judged on how it treats its vulnerable citizens. It's about time we took back our country from the vested interests that destroyed it."

Possibly however is the system not flawed in the way the common interest is not the best interest for people. It is inevitable it pits one group against another.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've left it to incompetent politicians for years to sort it out and they've made a dogs arse of it. You said it...we're a society..not just an economy and a society is judged on how it treats its vulnerable citizens. It's about time we took back our country from the vested interests that destroyed it.

Possibly however is the system not flawed in the way the common interest is not the best interest for people. It is inevitable it pits one group against another. "

That's true...divide and conquer I guess

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"We've left it to incompetent politicians for years to sort it out and they've made a dogs arse of it. You said it...we're a society..not just an economy and a society is judged on how it treats its vulnerable citizens. It's about time we took back our country from the vested interests that destroyed it.

Possibly however is the system not flawed in the way the common interest is not the best interest for people. It is inevitable it pits one group against another. "

Not if the government gets finally its act together and starts working in the interst of the people rather than protecting their cronies. In comparison to other countries there's very little protest in Ireland, the preferred way here is to suffer in silence and swallow the bitter pill and obviously that seems to suit those ones in power and the better of. Sometimes it needs a bit more to get heard...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've left it to incompetent politicians for years to sort it out and they've made a dogs arse of it. You said it...we're a society..not just an economy and a society is judged on how it treats its vulnerable citizens. It's about time we took back our country from the vested interests that destroyed it.

Possibly however is the system not flawed in the way the common interest is not the best interest for people. It is inevitable it pits one group against another.

Not if the government gets finally its act together and starts working in the interst of the people rather than protecting their cronies. In comparison to other countries there's very little protest in Ireland, the preferred way here is to suffer in silence and swallow the bitter pill and obviously that seems to suit those ones in power and the better of. Sometimes it needs a bit more to get heard..."

We have become a nation of sheep..this country came out of rebellion but that fighting spirit has been drained from us. Craven governments...spineless politicians only taking care of their own business. If this was France we'd be out in our hundreds of thousands..we did it for water charges..we should be doing it again.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

We can't expect the politicians to solve the housing crisis. Turkeys don't vote for Xmas.

Who interest is it to keep rents sky high esp in Dublin and other big towns, the landlords and who are the biggest landlords in the country. Politicians with big salaries and guaranteed weekly €€€€ pensions have no problems getting multiple mortgages to buy multiple houses.

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By *longshott OP   Man
over a year ago

Limerick

Yes but with all these points in mind what would people like to see fixed. Is it not always the same people end up paying for everything.

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By *m389Man
over a year ago

Bromley

I risk saying what everyone has always been saying building up etc...

I think it’s more than that, we are a bloody lazy country. We prefer cheap fast solutions to problems rather than well thought out pragmatic ones. We are only concerned with solving today’s problems and give no thought to problems in the future.

This needs to change. We need to use land much more efficiently, design for large populations factoring in future growth. Favour mass transit solutions over private cars.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"Yes but with all these points in mind what would people like to see fixed. Is it not always the same people end up paying for everything. "

What do you mean by that? Sure we all pay taxes according to the income. And even if you've very little there's tax on everything, petrol, tolls, 23%vat on services, there's even 23% on bottled water because it's declared as a luxury item.

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By *eirdre40Couple
over a year ago

Dublin South


"Yes but with all these points in mind what would people like to see fixed. Is it not always the same people end up paying for everything.

What do you mean by that? Sure we all pay taxes according to the income. And even if you've very little there's tax on everything, petrol, tolls, 23%vat on services, there's even 23% on bottled water because it's declared as a luxury item. "

Exactly, this idea that people get things for free is a myth. Social welfare aside (which has come under attack) nothing is free or tax free for that matter unless you have big earnings and a good accountant that knows all the loopholes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Civil war

People call me mad when i suggest it could be on the horizon but look at it,weve been screwed over unbelievably in Europe on multiple occasions,we bail out the banks for them to then sell our mortgages on,we are being told year in year out we have to pay more taxes to cover debts,our poor are getting poorer while the rich are getting richer,theres thousands of empty houses and ghost estates all over the country but yet thousands of homeless people? Politicians are able to cycle the couple mile to work and claim thousands in travel expenses yet the ordinary joe so gets caught doing a nixer on the side and gets crucified for it,thats just a few examples but you get my drift,

The government are doing whatever suits THEM....and thats not how it should be,one thing i do know tho is our forefathers would be turning in their graves right around now,and not just at what the government have been doing but at the fact irelands people are doing fuck all about it

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By *eirdre40Couple
over a year ago

Dublin South

The problem in this country is not just that we don't have enough houses or land to build houses. The problem is that too many homes were built where it is not possible to home people. Also the fact that the houses and apartments that were built or in process of been built at the time of the banking collapse by developers that went bankrupt were then auctioned away by NAMA for far less than their worth along with the thousands of mortgages by the banks since. Vulture funds and the vast majority of landlords don't care about housing people apart from the fact it makes them big profits. Ires REIT were sold thousands at discount and are now renting huge numbers to local authorities at huge rents, how was this allowed happen, bnbs/ hostels renting single rooms to families in homelessness for 1600Euro a week. Homelessness is an industry that the tax payer which is every person pays for while huge corporations can use loopholes to avoid taxes .

A housing crisis is the perfect breeding ground for these to exist especially when so many are keeping so many buildings closed to ensure higher rents. It's basic economics the less there is the more it costs. I know it doesn't seem to make sense to leave buildings empty when you could be getting income from them but while they sit there idle the value continues to rise and so do the rents. I'm sure they know exactly what they are doing.

The government want the private sector to solve the issues but put in place loopholes for the to allow minimum social housing in new builds and local authorities don't seem to want to be involved in building large scale projects either.

BTW the banking crisis was known about before it came about and was allowed to continue to demise, google Jonathan Sugerman whistle-blower and you will find it was a a big fraud.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes but with all these points in mind what would people like to see fixed. Is it not always the same people end up paying for everything.

What do you mean by that? Sure we all pay taxes according to the income. And even if you've very little there's tax on everything, petrol, tolls, 23%vat on services, there's even 23% on bottled water because it's declared as a luxury item. "

Hmm though we must have the highest proportion of businesses in the world who make no profit here and thus pay little or no tax. A lot of creative accounting going on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" auctioned away by NAMA for far less than their worth along with the thousands of mortgages by the banks since. Vulture funds and the vast majority of landlords don't care about housing people apart from the fact it makes them big profits. Ires REIT were sold thousands at discount and are now renting huge numbers to local authorities at huge rents, "

NAMA are compelled to sell under value because it was set up to close in 2020...they could make much more if politicians would lift restrictions on them but it's the stupid way it was set up. Not NAMA's fault per say, but still maddening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is having social housing in the middle of a capital city feesable?

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By *eirdre40Couple
over a year ago

Dublin South


"Is having social housing in the middle of a capital city feesable?"

There is social housing already there but I get your point but I would add to that is having just private homes feesable ,surely you must have a mixture of both and unfortunately we have much more private rental homes which drive up rental costs for those whom have professional city jobs and those whom are on the likes of HAP and are state supported.

Maybe more high rise is needed but only if a major emphasis is put into social and leisure facilities.

Homes only solve 1 of societies problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of the biggest problems in Dublin is the lack of affordable property to buy or rent.

It's common economics...supply & demand.

Need more properties built, it's a simple as that!

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By *mokey and the bandit 1Couple
over a year ago

Dublin


"Is having social housing in the middle of a capital city feesable?"

It's feasible in countries.

The main problem with social housing was the government in the 90s sold most of the housing stock to the tenants and never replaced them. They tried different schemes from buy half/rent half, affordable housing, rent allowance, hap etc with the belief that the developers would sort the problem but the crash happened and nothing was built for years but the population of those that needed housing grew.

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By *mokey and the bandit 1Couple
over a year ago

Dublin


"Is having social housing in the middle of a capital city feesable?

There is social housing already there but I get your point but I would add to that is having just private homes feesable ,surely you must have a mixture of both and unfortunately we have much more private rental homes which drive up rental costs for those whom have professional city jobs and those whom are on the likes of HAP and are state supported.

Maybe more high rise is needed but only if a major emphasis is put into social and leisure facilities.

Homes only solve 1 of societies problems."

Developers in and around the docklands wanted to build high rise but the city planners have a block on anything over a certain height. We are a low rise city

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree we need radical changes. There is a huge industry employed in the "homeless industry ". Civil servants working in little sections not talking to others sending people to different departments.

Take that woman who slept in the garda station with her seven kids.

she was in a rented house sold by a bank because the landlord was bankrupt.

why didnt someone in government Order the public funded bank to sell the house to the local authority and give her a long lease?

because there are about 14 different organisations and departments all employing lots of staff none talking to each other.

that's the problem and you can be sure no one will change it for fear of losing jobs.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Here we go with a motion of no confidence in the housing minister after 2 years of a failed policy the minister still claims it is working. FG is digging the heels in with varadkar threatening to sack anyone not in party line. FF is abstaining or in other words having no balls at all.

The incompetence and arrogance is appalling, I hope there will be a huge turn out on the 3rd of october for 'raise the roof for housing' protest.

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