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"People are free to do as they wish . I find it bizarre how people jump on the bandwagon with things like this and shows how easily people are led into something with a herd mentality. Personally I commend Nike for what they have done. Once upon a time Muhammad Ali was a pariah for not going to Vietnam and going along with what was expected of a "patriotic American". Maybe in time this situation will be looked at more objectively than emotionally also." Its such a strange situation. Kneeling for the anthem is in no way disrespectful but the willful manner in which the MAGA crowd misconstrue the motives behind it is just bizzare. Plus the weird fetishization of the flag and anthem.... And burning tjeir shoes to own the libs. Strange strange bunch. | |||
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"People are free to do as they wish . I find it bizarre how people jump on the bandwagon with things like this and shows how easily people are led into something with a herd mentality. Personally I commend Nike for what they have done. Once upon a time Muhammad Ali was a pariah for not going to Vietnam and going along with what was expected of a "patriotic American". Maybe in time this situation will be looked at more objectively than emotionally also." Absolutely, and Che Guevara was seen as a terrorist, now he's on t-shirts across the world. | |||
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"It just reeks of a publicity stunt to me. It's Nike's way of appealing to the 'we're oppressed mentality' market. While I admire, and am on board with what Kaepernick and his fellow athletes did and what they stood (or knelt) for, I don't believe for one second that the heads at Nike made this decision because it's a righteous thing to do. There's money to be made, simple as. It's just good business." Their share price dropped by 3.5% after the announcement and I know share price isn't everything but... | |||
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"It just reeks of a publicity stunt to me. It's Nike's way of appealing to the 'we're oppressed mentality' market. While I admire, and am on board with what Kaepernick and his fellow athletes did and what they stood (or knelt) for, I don't believe for one second that the heads at Nike made this decision because it's a righteous thing to do. There's money to be made, simple as. It's just good business. Their share price dropped by 3.5% after the announcement and I know share price isn't everything but... " Nike regularly drops by similar figures when you objectively look at their share price history over last couple of months. If it continues to drop over a period of time it's a different story. Adidas share price also dropped but nothing is made out of that. | |||
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"It just reeks of a publicity stunt to me. It's Nike's way of appealing to the 'we're oppressed mentality' market. While I admire, and am on board with what Kaepernick and his fellow athletes did and what they stood (or knelt) for, I don't believe for one second that the heads at Nike made this decision because it's a righteous thing to do. There's money to be made, simple as. It's just good business. Their share price dropped by 3.5% after the announcement and I know share price isn't everything but... Nike regularly drops by similar figures when you objectively look at their share price history over last couple of months. If it continues to drop over a period of time it's a different story. Adidas share price also dropped but nothing is made out of that." Stock market moves are more likely down to Nafta. Nike are definitely in it for the advertising. They couldnt care less about a bunch of gammon burning their ancient Nikes. They're not the people who queue over night and drop huge money on limited editions. | |||
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"It just reeks of a publicity stunt to me. It's Nike's way of appealing to the 'we're oppressed mentality' market. While I admire, and am on board with what Kaepernick and his fellow athletes did and what they stood (or knelt) for, I don't believe for one second that the heads at Nike made this decision because it's a righteous thing to do. There's money to be made, simple as. It's just good business. Their share price dropped by 3.5% after the announcement and I know share price isn't everything but... Nike regularly drops by similar figures when you objectively look at their share price history over last couple of months. If it continues to drop over a period of time it's a different story. Adidas share price also dropped but nothing is made out of that. Stock market moves are more likely down to Nafta. Nike are definitely in it for the advertising. They couldnt care less about a bunch of gammon burning their ancient Nikes. They're not the people who queue over night and drop huge money on limited editions." They're certainly not and it is the limited edition/resale scene that has had huge positive impact on the shares in Nike & Adidas particularly. | |||
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"I wont be buying nike again. I had largely moved onto underarmour anyway. White americans are not racist, and being proud american is not racist. I don't want to wear a statement that says they are. Specially when the situation is not relevant to me at all. Why on earth would you go out and buy a statement that calls american racist when they are not? When all you want to do is exercise?" No. Not all white Americans are racist. That is true. I'd say a majority are not racist. There are however some who are and some of those work as cops. Many of these assholes forget they have active body cams on them when they are treating black people like shit. Last time I checked the KKK were in America and white and have a considerable presence despite their odious views so to say white Americans are not racist as if it were an absolute truth is nonsense. If you knew or cared about the full story you would know it was a white vet who gave CK the idea to kneel so it was never anti military. It isn't a statement from CK that all white people are racist . It is utter nonsense to suggest so. There is racists operating within the police force in America. Feel free to not buy Nike. Feel free to do as you wish but the truth is many of the white people who want CK to keep quiet and kneel are probably the type who see nothing wrong with a burning cross. | |||
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"Every marvel film has an average amount of white people go view it. Lets make it 1 million. It also has an average black viewership, it would be about 50,000. For black panther 1 million white people still went to watch it, but the number of black people went up. So what was stopping those black people going to see Thor, or Ironman? Why can white people go and enjoy a film with black people like Men in Black, Blade, Black Panther, but black people can only go if the number of white people is cut to a minimum? Same with women, one of the highest grossing syfy films was Aliens, female lead. One of the highest grossing spy films in America is s angel, female cast. When they remove all but token men from the film, the men still go to view it, but women with anti men views also go to see it. What nike is doing isn't about equality or facing down racisim. It is about tapping the black market in america that do not like white people. The white people will buy their products anyway, they always do. White people go to black films, white films, hispanic films, female films. They buy sports products that black people say are good, that women say are good. It's about monitizing the markets that don't like white people. That's the truth of this campaign. They want the black people that dislike white people enough to not go to thor, but go to black panther. They are betting enough white people will continue to buy their products for it to be fine for them. I'm not buying into it. White americans are not racist. They just are not." You are talking about Marvel films as an example of racist ideologies and how they impact viewing figures ? First of all you pick the 1 million literally as a guess so you cannot make assumptions based on such wild guesses when picking random numbers. It isn't a reliable tool for assess accurately. For the sake of the discussion I'll grant that you are right with the 1 million figure First of all the black panther film was the first as far as I am aware where the story/the cast etc was so heavily infuenced by black culture. Of course there will be more black folks go to see it when it appeals specifically to a certain demographic. White people are almost the main characters in these movies or certainly reoresent a majority which in terms of population in America is also more white than black. A breakdown of ticket sales by ethnicity who go to the cinema from a few years back Tickets Sold by Ethnicity, 2011 Ethnicity TICKETS SOLD PERCENT OF POPULATION White 58% 65% Hisp' 22% 16% Black 11% 12% Other 9% 7% So this suggests with a predominantly white movie industry that black people go to white movies more than white go to black movies as black people are closer in ticket sales to representative size of population. So your theory on that is just objectively wrong. As for the Klan that you very conveniently left out of your reply. The organized Ku Klux Klan movement saw a boost in its membership in 2017. In fact more than half of today's Klans formed in the last three years. Some 42 different Klan groups were active in 22 states as of June 2017, a slight increase from early 2016, according to a report from the Anti-Defamation League, a nonpartisan civil rights advocacy group. Nationwide, there are still an estimated 3,000 Klan members and unaffiliated people who "identify with Klan ideology," according to the ADL. Membership, though, remains spread across dozens of groups. The largest Klans reportedly don't have more than 50 to 100 active members, and most have fewer than 25. Keeping with historical trends, the ADL noted the groups and activity are largely concentrated in the southern and eastern parts of the nation. Mississippi was found to house the most with five groups, followed by Alabama with four. The group over time has proved outspoken on a number of issues, pushing anti-immigration and anti-Semitic views and advocating for "purification" of American society. Here's a look at the states that have housed KKK groups, based on a June 2017 analysis from the Anti-Defamation League: Mississippi Klan Groups Based in State: 5 Alabama Klan Groups Based in State: 4 Kentucky Klan Groups Based in State: 3 Tennessee Klan Groups Based in State: 3 Texas Klan Groups Based in State: 3 Arkansas Klan Groups Based in State: 2 Georgia Klan Groups Based in State: 2 Maryland Klan Groups Based in State: 2 Missouri Klan Groups Based in State: 2 North Carolina Klan Groups Based in State: 2 Virginia Klan Groups Based in State: 2 West Virginia Klan Groups Based in State: 2 Florida Klan Groups Based in State: 1 Illinois Klan Groups Based in State: 1 Louisiana Klan Groups Based in State: 1 Maine Klan Groups Based in State: 1 Michigan Klan Groups Based in State: 1 New York Klan Groups Based in State: 1 Ohio Klan Groups Based in State: 1 Oklahoma Klan Groups Based in State: 1 Pennsylvania Klan Groups Based in State: 1 Washington Klan Groups Based in State: 1 That's just the KKK, these are the ones who openly advertise by group affiliation they are racist. Impossible to know the real figure of racists without hijacking the thoughts of people and loading the info into a database. Charlottesville last year showed the hostility that is building in the racist portion of America . Are all white people racist ? No. Are all white American people racist ? No Is there a section of white Americans that identify with the movement of a "superior" race being white people and wanting black people to be treated as second class ? Absolutely and the movement as evidenced above is particularly stronger in the confederate states. Some people still identify in those states with the confederacy as something that they take pride as having their ancestry in. That's just a fact . I assume you know what the civil war was fought over ? I assume you realise it was only the mid 60s through protest that black people finally started the road toward equality through the civil rights movement ? I lived in America long enough and still have friends and family living there to know what happens there on a daily basis. Much of which never makes it into the media much less media that doesn't want to provide proof of race motivated crimes etc. The world shouldn't be a place where someone is treated differently due levels of melanin in their skin. | |||
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"People are free to do as they wish . I find it bizarre how people jump on the bandwagon with things like this and shows how easily people are led into something with a herd mentality. Personally I commend Nike for what they have done. Once upon a time Muhammad Ali was a pariah for not going to Vietnam and going along with what was expected of a "patriotic American". Maybe in time this situation will be looked at more objectively than emotionally also." ---------------------- The actions of a multi billion dollar corporation being likened to a sportsman who refused to be drafted into the U.S military based on moral & religious grounds... Interesting thought. Am off to bed now. Goodnight   | |||
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"i wish they had waited to see the actual advert.... can you imagine burning shoes because of the inspiring stories of alfonso davies, and lebron james and serena williams.... jeez.... the heartless bastards!!!!" I saw the ad today. Regardless of the motivation behind it from a huge company the stories referenced are inspiring. Absolutely inspiring. It does perfectly link up with the Nike "Just do it" slogan . Whilst I can see why people are suspicious of Nike on the other hand a huge brand doing these things enusres much greater exposure to the message than "John's fish and chips" linking with Colin K. I'm sure Nike were aware the move would cause a storm but were willing to take the risk even it meant sacrificing potential profits. Must be 20 years since I bought anything from Nike so have no brand loyalty but my I tip my hat for this move. | |||
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"The OP is anti American and is a left wing Looney with fancy language with no true factual rational thoughts "This poster went into a restaurant and ate everything in the restaurant and they had to close the restaurant
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"Every marvel film has an average amount of white people go view it. Lets make it 1 million. It also has an average black viewership, it would be about 50,000. For black panther 1 million white people still went to watch it, but the number of black people went up. So what was stopping those black people going to see Thor, or Ironman? Why can white people go and enjoy a film with black people like Men in Black, Blade, Black Panther, but black people can only go if the number of white people is cut to a minimum? Same with women, one of the highest grossing syfy films was Aliens, female lead. One of the highest grossing spy films in America is s angel, female cast. When they remove all but token men from the film, the men still go to view it, but women with anti men views also go to see it. What nike is doing isn't about equality or facing down racisim. It is about tapping the black market in america that do not like white people. The white people will buy their products anyway, they always do. White people go to black films, white films, hispanic films, female films. They buy sports products that black people say are good, that women say are good. It's about monitizing the markets that don't like white people. That's the truth of this campaign. They want the black people that dislike white people enough to not go to thor, but go to black panther. They are betting enough white people will continue to buy their products for it to be fine for them. I'm not buying into it. White americans are not racist. They just are not." I dont think its because the blacks hate the whites, but more that black people, women, etc recognise that they're underrepresented in cinema, especially Hollywood. So when something comes out that represents them, that doesnt just use white men as the default characters for a story, then they're more enthusiastic. Which is fair enough. Viewing figures for Irish soccer matches are much higher in Ireland than in Belgium. Thats not because Irish people hate Belgium or vice versa. And how the fook is this campaign saying white americans are racist? | |||
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