FabSwingers.com mobile

Join us FREE, we're FREE to use

Web's largest swingers site since 2006.

Already registered?
Login here

Back to forum list
Back to Ireland

Verifications

Jump to newest
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Guys views on verifys after a meet....if ye give one and don't get back does that mean the other party thought of it as a shit meet ...or should we not read to much into it and just keep fabbing ..thanks

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe they haven’t had time to post a veri as yet. Patience is a virtue etc etc

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I wouldn't read too much into it myself. I'd still be curious as to whether or not the other person enjoyed it but surely you'd know if they didn't?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *eankaren88Couple
over a year ago

By the sea

Don't read to much into it.

Some just don't like doing it. Others forget for a while and then do it.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do they display verification on their profile? Some people genuinely only return them so did u write one for them ?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I wouldn't read too much into it myself. I'd still be curious as to whether or not the other person enjoyed it but surely you'd know if they didn't? "
Not being cheeky but the load of cum he left over Mrs S tits would say he did lol..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


"I wouldn't read too much into it myself. I'd still be curious as to whether or not the other person enjoyed it but surely you'd know if they didn't? Not being cheeky but the load of cum he left over Mrs S tits would say he did lol.."

That would usually suggest that alright

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *j47Man
over a year ago

limerick


"I wouldn't read too much into it myself. I'd still be curious as to whether or not the other person enjoyed it but surely you'd know if they didn't? Not being cheeky but the load of cum he left over Mrs S tits would say he did lol.."

That may just suggest that he had abstained for a few days before the meet

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do they display verification on their profile? Some people genuinely only return them so did u write one for them ? "
We did indeed and checked to make sure they received it..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ask the person concerned would be my suggestion. The rest of us can only speculate as to his reasons.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't read too much into it myself. I'd still be curious as to whether or not the other person enjoyed it but surely you'd know if they didn't? Not being cheeky but the load of cum he left over Mrs S tits would say he did lol.."

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't read too much into it myself. I'd still be curious as to whether or not the other person enjoyed it but surely you'd know if they didn't? Not being cheeky but the load of cum he left over Mrs S tits would say he did lol.."
this made me laugh out loud

Dont read too much into it sometimes people are busy or even plain lazy to write something!

In my personal experience even if it was not so good i would have write something brief but if i didnt write somethings was probably cause I was just plain lazy or short or inspiration

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Personally If its after a social meet and they have never left you a veri before, its rude and ignorant. It asks you in the list of verifications do you want to verify them in return afterall.

If its after an actual meet but they already have verified you previously i can see how that can get lost.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *attiejoejoeMan
over a year ago

Any town

Oh I’m with the ones who leave feedback on a meeting but if you’re meeting up loads of times , then one or two would be fine ( with the same person) It’s good to leave your verification so it helps both you for others to see what you’re like

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I wouldn't read too much into it myself. I'd still be curious as to whether or not the other person enjoyed it but surely you'd know if they didn't? Not being cheeky but the load of cum he left over Mrs S tits would say he did lol..

That would usually suggest that alright "

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Personally If its after a social meet and they have never left you a veri before, its rude and ignorant. It asks you in the list of verifications do you want to verify them in return afterall.

If its after an actual meet but they already have verified you previously i can see how that can get lost.

"
Thanks guys iv one question slightly off the thread...but were the hell did ye get those boots I'd love a pair for Mrs S..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Oh I’m with the ones who leave feedback on a meeting but if you’re meeting up loads of times , then one or two would be fine ( with the same person) It’s good to leave your verification so it helps both you for others to see what you’re like "
True...we'd thought about maybe meeting the guy again but now not so sure..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *iffaWoman
over a year ago

wherever

I actually didn’t think verifications were so wanted if someone has loadsa them already

I think they are nice to get but I don’t stress if I don’t get one and I don’t leave one for everyone and I don’t always want everyone knowing what I’m doing but

I shall be more attentive to them in the future

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a person verifies their meet and their meet doesnt bother verify them, I agree that it shows rudeness and lack of manners.

Worse still is if they say they 'forgot about it' well.....I'm sorry but that only adds to the insult.

And some even have the b*lls to show the verif they got however briefly.

Yip it happened to me.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If a person verifies their meet and their meet doesnt bother verify them, I agree that it shows rudeness and lack of manners.

Worse still is if they say they 'forgot about it' well.....I'm sorry but that only adds to the insult.

And some even have the b*lls to show the verif they got however briefly.

Yip it happened to me. "

This

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If a person verifies their meet and their meet doesnt bother verify them, I agree that it shows rudeness and lack of manners.

Worse still is if they say they 'forgot about it' well.....I'm sorry but that only adds to the insult.

And some even have the b*lls to show the verif they got however briefly.

Yip it happened to me. "
Did you hunt them down and make them suffer

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area


"Personally If its after a social meet and they have never left you a veri before, its rude and ignorant. It asks you in the list of verifications do you want to verify them in return afterall.

If its after an actual meet but they already have verified you previously i can see how that can get lost.

Thanks guys iv one question slightly off the thread...but were the hell did ye get those boots I'd love a pair for Mrs S.."
Tilly London and yes they are fuckin awesome. I bought them for her

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If a person verifies their meet and their meet doesnt bother verify them, I agree that it shows rudeness and lack of manners.

Worse still is if they say they 'forgot about it' well.....I'm sorry but that only adds to the insult.

And some even have the b*lls to show the verif they got however briefly.

Yip it happened to me. Did you hunt them down and make them suffer "

No lol i have better things to do with my time.

He gave a feeble excuse and more lies to add to his already long list so I blocked him. Have to say he was the biggest disappointment of any meet I have had with his behaviour.

But sure you live and learn.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ugs BunnyCouple
over a year ago

south Dublin

I dont really get the whole veri thing. Imo it's akin to keeping a public record of your fab life, something id rather keep private. i dont really want a record of who i met and when i met them and what we did! I know you can hide it but then ive come across people who are suspicious of that so its a bit of a predicament. How about after a meet just send the person a msg saying you had a great night or whatever. I understand the need for the first few just to make sure people are genuine but after that what's the point of it all? (Btw no problem with anyone who has left us a veri and is reading this, its just something ive thought about lately!!!)

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

i heard this can happen a lot, so some people wait to get their veri first.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Personally If its after a social meet and they have never left you a veri before, its rude and ignorant. It asks you in the list of verifications do you want to verify them in return afterall.

If its after an actual meet but they already have verified you previously i can see how that can get lost.

Thanks guys iv one question slightly off the thread...but were the hell did ye get those boots I'd love a pair for Mrs S..Tilly London and yes they are fuckin awesome. I bought them for her "
Cheers

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont really get the whole veri thing. Imo it's akin to keeping a public record of your fab life, something id rather keep private. i dont really want a record of who i met and when i met them and what we did! I know you can hide it but then ive come across people who are suspicious of that so its a bit of a predicament. How about after a meet just send the person a msg saying you had a great night or whatever. I understand the need for the first few just to make sure people are genuine but after that what's the point of it all? (Btw no problem with anyone who has left us a veri and is reading this, its just something ive thought about lately!!!)"

Have to agree, 99% of what is written in them is bullshit anyway. Are people really that desperate for validation?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If a person verifies their meet and their meet doesnt bother verify them, I agree that it shows rudeness and lack of manners.

Worse still is if they say they 'forgot about it' well.....I'm sorry but that only adds to the insult.

And some even have the b*lls to show the verif they got however briefly.

Yip it happened to me. Did you hunt them down and make them suffer

No lol i have better things to do with my time.

He gave a feeble excuse and more lies to add to his already long list so I blocked him. Have to say he was the biggest disappointment of any meet I have had with his behaviour.

But sure you live and learn.

"
Definitely...lets just say between the two gents...it's the more mature we'd meet again.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I usually drop a verification for the first, it's rare that I really verify for second and third meets, but I do think if it's a first off meet if you left a verification and it wasn't a write off then it's rude not to return

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a couple of meets that were pretty good and neither of us left a veri...think it was a "ill say when you say" thing... Which left both parties insulted lol.

But sure I'm to blame as much as they were

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ugs BunnyCouple
over a year ago

south Dublin


"I dont really get the whole veri thing. Imo it's akin to keeping a public record of your fab life, something id rather keep private. i dont really want a record of who i met and when i met them and what we did! I know you can hide it but then ive come across people who are suspicious of that so its a bit of a predicament. How about after a meet just send the person a msg saying you had a great night or whatever. I understand the need for the first few just to make sure people are genuine but after that what's the point of it all? (Btw no problem with anyone who has left us a veri and is reading this, its just something ive thought about lately!!!)

Have to agree, 99% of what is written in them is bullshit anyway. Are people really that desperate for validation? "

Lol well i like to think mine arent 99% bullshit but yeah i think people should make their own mind up about someone rather than believing all the veris.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I dont really get the whole veri thing. Imo it's akin to keeping a public record of your fab life, something id rather keep private. i dont really want a record of who i met and when i met them and what we did! I know you can hide it but then ive come across people who are suspicious of that so its a bit of a predicament. How about after a meet just send the person a msg saying you had a great night or whatever. I understand the need for the first few just to make sure people are genuine but after that what's the point of it all? (Btw no problem with anyone who has left us a veri and is reading this, its just something ive thought about lately!!!)

Have to agree, 99% of what is written in them is bullshit anyway. Are people really that desperate for validation?

Lol well i like to think mine arent 99% bullshit but yeah i think people should make their own mind up about someone rather than believing all the veris. "
We had no probs verifying the guy at all..he even asked one or twice but we'd just been busy so it took a day or so to do it...guess we thought even a verify to say we are genuine would have done is all.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *iffaWoman
over a year ago

wherever


"i heard this can happen a lot, so some people wait to get their veri first."

Do you mean done people wait to do anything until they get a verification?? That has to be fake news? So the veri is more important then the sex??

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont really get the whole veri thing. Imo it's akin to keeping a public record of your fab life, something id rather keep private. i dont really want a record of who i met and when i met them and what we did! I know you can hide it but then ive come across people who are suspicious of that so its a bit of a predicament. How about after a meet just send the person a msg saying you had a great night or whatever. I understand the need for the first few just to make sure people are genuine but after that what's the point of it all? (Btw no problem with anyone who has left us a veri and is reading this, its just something ive thought about lately!!!)

Have to agree, 99% of what is written in them is bullshit anyway. Are people really that desperate for validation?

Lol well i like to think mine arent 99% bullshit but yeah i think people should make their own mind up about someone rather than believing all the veris. We had no probs verifying the guy at all..he even asked one or twice but we'd just been busy so it took a day or so to do it...guess we thought even a verify to say we are genuine would have done is all."

When on as a couple we did give guys honest veries as its more important to a single guy than a couple who do not need them to get meets you could read between the lines if they were good or not

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ugs BunnyCouple
over a year ago

south Dublin


"I dont really get the whole veri thing. Imo it's akin to keeping a public record of your fab life, something id rather keep private. i dont really want a record of who i met and when i met them and what we did! I know you can hide it but then ive come across people who are suspicious of that so its a bit of a predicament. How about after a meet just send the person a msg saying you had a great night or whatever. I understand the need for the first few just to make sure people are genuine but after that what's the point of it all? (Btw no problem with anyone who has left us a veri and is reading this, its just something ive thought about lately!!!)

Have to agree, 99% of what is written in them is bullshit anyway. Are people really that desperate for validation?

Lol well i like to think mine arent 99% bullshit but yeah i think people should make their own mind up about someone rather than believing all the veris.

We had no probs verifying the guy at all..he even asked one or twice but we'd just been busy so it took a day or so to do it...guess we thought even a verify to say we are genuine would have done is all."

I wouldnt worry about it, you already have enough veris for people to see you're genuine x

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I dont really get the whole veri thing. Imo it's akin to keeping a public record of your fab life, something id rather keep private. i dont really want a record of who i met and when i met them and what we did! I know you can hide it but then ive come across people who are suspicious of that so its a bit of a predicament. How about after a meet just send the person a msg saying you had a great night or whatever. I understand the need for the first few just to make sure people are genuine but after that what's the point of it all? (Btw no problem with anyone who has left us a veri and is reading this, its just something ive thought about lately!!!)

Have to agree, 99% of what is written in them is bullshit anyway. Are people really that desperate for validation?

Lol well i like to think mine arent 99% bullshit but yeah i think people should make their own mind up about someone rather than believing all the veris.

We had no probs verifying the guy at all..he even asked one or twice but we'd just been busy so it took a day or so to do it...guess we thought even a verify to say we are genuine would have done is all.

I wouldnt worry about it, you already have enough veris for people to see you're genuine x "
Thank you

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A veri is a needle in the hack, it does never work

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ynxxxMan
over a year ago

Around and about

Now, I'm not too bothered about receiving veris from meets as I have 1 or 2 already.

But what gets me, is when the other person hounds/begs/pressures you into writing a veri for them. As soon as you do, it gets published immediately and then when you ask for one in return you get blanked.

Isn't that a bit rude? Is there a way of reclaiming veris from those kinds of people?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Now, I'm not too bothered about receiving veris from meets as I have 1 or 2 already.

But what gets me, is when the other person hounds/begs/pressures you into writing a veri for them. As soon as you do, it gets published immediately and then when you ask for one in return you get blanked.

Isn't that a bit rude? Is there a way of reclaiming veris from those kinds of people?"

If you block them the veri will disappear apparently.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Now, I'm not too bothered about receiving veris from meets as I have 1 or 2 already.

But what gets me, is when the other person hounds/begs/pressures you into writing a veri for them. As soon as you do, it gets published immediately and then when you ask for one in return you get blanked.

Isn't that a bit rude? Is there a way of reclaiming veris from those kinds of people?"
....kind of what happened

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ugs BunnyCouple
over a year ago

south Dublin


"Now, I'm not too bothered about receiving veris from meets as I have 1 or 2 already.

But what gets me, is when the other person hounds/begs/pressures you into writing a veri for them. As soon as you do, it gets published immediately and then when you ask for one in return you get blanked.

Isn't that a bit rude? Is there a way of reclaiming veris from those kinds of people?"

I have no idea if you can reclaim a veri but in this no strings world best to just move on. It would be a bit spiteful to reclaim a veri just because they didnt return one. If someone hounds/begs/pressures you for a veri and then does not return one, when you asked them to, it's really more of a reflection on them than you. Be the better person!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *traycats2Couple
over a year ago

Dublin

We have 23 veris out of those 23, 2 couples veri us twice . We’ve only played with 5 of those veris and some of the couples of the 5 we have met numerous times but we don’t put veris up for each other again and again. Can’t see the point . And if I’m totally honest I don’t like people knowing everything we do.. I would say just move on , he got his pleasure now he’s onto his next one ..xxx

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ugs BunnyCouple
over a year ago

south Dublin


"We have 23 veris out of those 23, 2 couples veri us twice . We’ve only played with 5 of those veris and some of the couples of the 5 we have met numerous times but we don’t put veris up for each other again and again. Can’t see the point . And if I’m totally honest I don’t like people knowing everything we do.. I would say just move on , he got his pleasure now he’s onto his next one ..xxx"

And hopefully the OP got their pleasure too!

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *ynxxxMan
over a year ago

Around and about


"Now, I'm not too bothered about receiving veris from meets as I have 1 or 2 already.

But what gets me, is when the other person hounds/begs/pressures you into writing a veri for them. As soon as you do, it gets published immediately and then when you ask for one in return you get blanked.

Isn't that a bit rude? Is there a way of reclaiming veris from those kinds of people?

I have no idea if you can reclaim a veri but in this no strings world best to just move on. It would be a bit spiteful to reclaim a veri just because they didnt return one. If someone hounds/begs/pressures you for a veri and then does not return one, when you asked them to, it's really more of a reflection on them than you. Be the better person! "

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *traycats2Couple
over a year ago

Dublin


"We have 23 veris out of those 23, 2 couples veri us twice . We’ve only played with 5 of those veris and some of the couples of the 5 we have met numerous times but we don’t put veris up for each other again and again. Can’t see the point . And if I’m totally honest I don’t like people knowing everything we do.. I would say just move on , he got his pleasure now he’s onto his next one ..xxx

And hopefully the OP got their pleasure too! "
good point lol

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Now, I'm not too bothered about receiving veris from meets as I have 1 or 2 already.

But what gets me, is when the other person hounds/begs/pressures you into writing a veri for them. As soon as you do, it gets published immediately and then when you ask for one in return you get blanked.

Isn't that a bit rude? Is there a way of reclaiming veris from those kinds of people?

If you block them the veri will disappear apparently. "

Veri does disappear if u block a person

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Now, I'm not too bothered about receiving veris from meets as I have 1 or 2 already.

But what gets me, is when the other person hounds/begs/pressures you into writing a veri for them. As soon as you do, it gets published immediately and then when you ask for one in return you get blanked.

Isn't that a bit rude? Is there a way of reclaiming veris from those kinds of people?

If you block them the veri will disappear apparently.

Veri does disappear if u block a person"

But it remains on the verification summary which I don't like

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Guys views on verifys after a meet....if ye give one and don't get back does that mean the other party thought of it as a shit meet ...or should we not read to much into it and just keep fabbing ..thanks "

They are all a load of bollocks if you want a honest opinion they are great though for people who like to bend over and have smoke blown up their arse though

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Now, I'm not too bothered about receiving veris from meets as I have 1 or 2 already.

But what gets me, is when the other person hounds/begs/pressures you into writing a veri for them. As soon as you do, it gets published immediately and then when you ask for one in return you get blanked.

Isn't that a bit rude? Is there a way of reclaiming veris from those kinds of people?

I have no idea if you can reclaim a veri but in this no strings world best to just move on. It would be a bit spiteful to reclaim a veri just because they didnt return one. If someone hounds/begs/pressures you for a veri and then does not return one, when you asked them to, it's really more of a reflection on them than you. Be the better person! "
We wouldn't reclaim as it was a good meet ( in our eyes at least ) and Mrs enjoyed the xtra cum over her breasts lol...ah guess live and learn as they say..we'll just know better nxt time..

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We have 23 veris out of those 23, 2 couples veri us twice . We’ve only played with 5 of those veris and some of the couples of the 5 we have met numerous times but we don’t put veris up for each other again and again. Can’t see the point . And if I’m totally honest I don’t like people knowing everything we do.. I would say just move on , he got his pleasure now he’s onto his next one ..xxx

And hopefully the OP got their pleasure too! good point lol "
She did lol

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *atts n titsCouple
over a year ago

everywhere

We always look at vertys just cos too many have either m@g or Web cams we want to play not look

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *s ParisWoman
over a year ago

My Dungeon Room

I really wouldn't worry about it you have verifications alread.

some people don't give others a verification after a meet, some don't for the weirdest of reasons, and some because they are to lazy to string a few words together lol but don't let it get to you it looks like your both doing fine on here best of luck to you both.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *rBakersMan
over a year ago

dublin/kildare/wicklow

Anyone have this happen to them?..

I was with a couple recently and met in a hotel. We tried to verify each other the next day but it just kept saying verification saved.

I think it might be because we had logged into the same WiFi at the hotel.

Anyone else ever experienced this?

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My view was and still is... I don’t meet for the verification, I do write verifications to my playmates but I know that not everyone like to write themselves so I am not bothered... does not mean the meeting wasn’t good as I do have follow-up meetings with some of those people who do not write anything.

So don’t take it personally - just enjoy the journey. xx

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By *antra MassageMan
over a year ago

South Side.

I love a good verification. It feels great, and other Fabbers read them. But, hate when they leave the site and the Veri goes with them.

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hoping to get mine soon

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I really wouldn't worry about it you have verifications alread.

some people don't give others a verification after a meet, some don't for the weirdest of reasons, and some because they are to lazy to string a few words together lol but don't let it get to you it looks like your both doing fine on here best of luck to you both. "
Thank you

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
 
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont really get the whole veri thing. Imo it's akin to keeping a public record of your fab life, something id rather keep private. i dont really want a record of who i met and when i met them and what we did! I know you can hide it but then ive come across people who are suspicious of that so its a bit of a predicament. How about after a meet just send the person a msg saying you had a great night or whatever. I understand the need for the first few just to make sure people are genuine but after that what's the point of it all? (Btw no problem with anyone who has left us a veri and is reading this, its just something ive thought about lately!!!)"

What she said

Thanks for helping me articulate my views on the subject

Reply privatelyReply in forumReply +quote
Post new Message to Thread
back to top