FabSwingers.com forum: HPV vaccine

By *oghunter33 OP Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Just read an article that the HSE is considering to expand the HPV vaccine to boys too after a drop in the percentage of girls getting vaccinated, 78% in 2014 down to 51% in 2017.

What's your stand on this vaccine?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Boys should be given it no question . After all they are mainly the carriers !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone unfortunate enough to watch a female relative rot from cervical cancer would agree this life taking epidemic all too familiar to the last generation now needs to be eradicated . If you have a daughter make sure she gets the vaccine .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know a lot about it but surely its a good idea.. also I would have thought that the numbers would have been up after all the recent media coverage of the screening scandal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have been researching this vaccine from the beginning and I will not be letting my daughter get it. I'm not looking for an argument it's my opinion on my findings

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By *enuine fit guyMan
over a year ago

Genuine lane

Do you mind me asking what were the main findings of your research that prompted you to make that decision

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By *oghunter33 OP Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Anyone unfortunate enough to watch a female relative rot from cervical cancer would agree this life taking epidemic all too familiar to the last generation now needs to be eradicated . If you have a daughter make sure she gets the vaccine . "

Did you ever do a bit of research into this vaccine? I'm not a vaccine opposer but this one is so controversial I certainly wouldn't put my daughter forward as a Guinea pig.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both of my daughters have been vaccinated. What others choose to do is up to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had my daughters get the vaccine and no regrets , but then I have the misfortune of burying two older sisters who had cervical cancer . They leave behind families devastated . I did the best I could I’m protecting my daughters .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No regrets here either, condoms do not protect fully against HPV, which is responsible for the major of cervical cancers and is increasingly linked to throat cancer. There are risks with every vaccine, in my opinion they are minimal compared with the risks associated with HPV.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a hard call have read some info for and against. My issue is this health system has a lot to answer for and the recent screening scandal says it all. Our gov seem to be more worried about saving money and lining their own pockets than actually doing any good.

My advice is to ask plenty of questions from ur gp for both for and against. Dont just go along with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No regrets here either, condoms do not protect fully against HPV, which is responsible for the major of cervical cancers and is increasingly linked to throat cancer. There are risks with every vaccine, in my opinion they are minimal compared with the risks associated with HPV."

Absolutely

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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I did get my daughters vaccinated and I did witness side effects that took months to settle. We were fortunate though a very close friends daughter Is now incapacitated due to chronic fatigue syndrome which is been linked to the vaccine. This girls life has been devastatingly altered. If I'd another daughter I wouldn't allow it and certainly won't allow my son to get it. More regular smears to younger women.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Most of the anti HPV stuff is coming from religious fundamentalism and the cash for certain organisations that are opposed to the vaccine are being funded by them no different to the abortion and same sex marriage referendums.

Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Most of the anti HPV stuff is coming from religious fundamentalism and the cash for certain organisations that are opposed to the vaccine are being funded by them no different to the abortion and same sex marriage referendums.

Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

Correlation does not equal causation.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

Correlation does not equal causation.

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Exactly.

Our teenage daughter had it as well, i was concerned and did my own research and was happy for her to have it.

Even if there is a link, 300 out of 200,000 is some seriously small odds.

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By *hocko87Man
over a year ago

dublin

A lot of vacines all have side affects and most outweigh the bad side and do good . Life is the same I'm afraid you take the chance and hope you are doing good .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just read an article that the HSE is considering to expand the HPV vaccine to boys too after a drop in the percentage of girls getting vaccinated, 78% in 2014 down to 51% in 2017.

What's your stand on this vaccine? "

Vaccines save women and men. I don’t buy into the church sponsored anti vaxer nonsense.

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple
over a year ago

Chester

Regular smears are a must, the vaccine doesn't protect 100% and alot of girls think it does & don't have smear. I know a young women who's had vaccine yet will be having 3rd colposcopy due to cell changes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it saves a life

Should be given / offered at least

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Regular smears are a must, the vaccine doesn't protect 100% and alot of girls think it does & don't have smear. I know a young women who's had vaccine yet will be having 3rd colposcopy due to cell changes!"

And if that's the case, is there a reason to have the vaccine at all? All my daughters have had it, but is there a point if it's not going to prevent infection?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bookmarked for further views.

I've 4 daughters and I counselled against it having read a lot of the side effects... and as someone already said the NHS priority is about saving money and not giving the best care and advice first over that. (I've family and very good friends in the NHS and some stories would make you shudder)

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple
over a year ago

Chester

And if that's the case, is there a reason to have the vaccine at all? All my daughters have had it, but is there a point if it's not going to prevent infection? "

It may certainly control alot but as no vaccine is failsafe it is still a must for regular smears. They are at an all time low which is worrying.

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

This is a difficult one for me. Vaccines on a whole I too this day and adamant the mmr jab contributed to my daughter's autism. I have lost my mother to secondary cancer 6 yrs ago she had cervical cancer at 36 left her ovaries in and had ovarian cancer complications happened the second time round with her treatment, which was from the first time with her cervical cancer. I was adamant my children was getting it done. And both did. This was 6 or 7 yrs ago when really the vaccine just was given to young girls. The vaccine prevents 7 out of 10 which is just over half. I have another child that will be due it in the near future will I be be vaccinating her . I honestly don't know, now with all the headlines with side effects....

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By *s LollyWoman
over a year ago

The pub then supermacs ...

I didn't allow my daughter to get it when she went into first yr it was a decision we discussed and decided against......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's an amazing amount of ignorance over smear tests, and a lot of it in grown women, some think it tests for ovarian cancer. And the screen is far from 100% accurate anyway, with a high incidence of false negatives. In my opinion it would be remiss of me to have denied my daughters the maximum protection available via vaccination prior to becoming sexually active followed by encouraging them to avail of screening when older, I always tell them when I'm going for a smear test so they see it as routine healthcare.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And if that's the case, is there a reason to have the vaccine at all? All my daughters have had it, but is there a point if it's not going to prevent infection? "

It hugely reduces the risk, it doesn't claim to eliminate it completely. There are numerous strains of HPV, the vaccine doesn't offer protection against all, only the ones linked to the majority of cancers. Plus some individuals do not develop immunity despite being vaccinated, that is the case with all vaccines.

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple
over a year ago

Chester

Yes I'm same, vaccine by all means but don't skip smears they are to detect changes that might lead to cancer long term which can be treated. I kept my cervix after recent hysterectomy so still smears for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely ignorant on this but want to read the comments later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting topic

Bookmarking to come back to

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By *oghunter33 OP Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Just read an article that the HSE is considering to expand the HPV vaccine to boys too after a drop in the percentage of girls getting vaccinated, 78% in 2014 down to 51% in 2017.

What's your stand on this vaccine?

Vaccines save women and men. I don’t buy into the church sponsored anti vaxer nonsense."

You could argue that you buy into the huge pharma propaganda who make millions if not billions out of those vaccine programs and yet the success of those are disputed. The church is only jumping onto a rolling train.

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By *he rover returnedWoman
over a year ago

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I think a lot more education is needed around smear tests but like most things it starts with us. Educate our daughters on the importance of regular smears and on getting any changes to our cycles investigated, no matter how slight

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By *oghunter33 OP Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

And if that's the case, is there a reason to have the vaccine at all? All my daughters have had it, but is there a point if it's not going to prevent infection?

If it's that effective, you could argue why are only girl vaccinated and not boys as we're not only speaking of cervical cancer? Why do have the women to carry the burden of the risks that comes with the vaccination?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And if that's the case, is there a reason to have the vaccine at all? All my daughters have had it, but is there a point if it's not going to prevent infection?

Simple economics in part (many other countries do offer the vaccine to both) plus females are at higher risk, with limited resources it stands to reason that vaccination programs target the population most at risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

90% of sexy active people get hpv in their life time. There’s no hpv test to identify infection in men. Women only find out when they get smear tests done. There’s no cure, only a dormancy phase. Vaccination in young men and women *before* they start riding is the only way to eradicate the virus. I’d be happy to say the vast majority of fabbers have hpv. That’s an uncomfortable truth to bear but it is fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Indeed, our children tend to learn from our own behaviour, both good and bad - and by that I mean what we do, as opposed to what we preach.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Boys and girls should both be vaccinated before they become sexually active for the vaccine to offer protection . This is a country who initially couldn’t afford the vaccine when it came to market then negotiated the price and rolled it out to girls only when it has always been geared twords both boys and girls before sexual maturity . ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"90% of sexy active people get hpv in their life time. There’s no hpv test to identify infection in men. Women only find out when they get smear tests done. There’s no cure, only a dormancy phase. Vaccination in young men and women *before* they start riding is the only way to eradicate the virus. I’d be happy to say the vast majority of fabbers have hpv. That’s an uncomfortable truth to bear but it is fact."

You're most probably right, if you are sexually active you've more than likely been exposed to the virus, some people's immune systems will overcome it, others won't. It can take years for the consequences to become obvious and there are no visible signs of the strains that are believed to cause cancer. Genital warts are caused by different non-cancer causing types of HPV.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread is a very worthwhile read. An excellent discussion topic.

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By *unnyfookMan
over a year ago

Naas

I'm all for vaccines, anything that saves lives is good in my opinion,

Did anyone read about the person with measles going through hospital a/e putting lives at risk. Every refugee coming into country should automatically get vaccines or turned away.

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By *oghunter33 OP Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Most of the anti HPV stuff is coming from religious fundamentalism and the cash for certain organisatioins that are opposed to the vaccine are being funded by them no different to the abortion and same sex marriage referendums.

Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Exactly.

Our teenage daughter had it as well, i was concerned and did my own research and was happy for her to have it.

Even if there is a link, 300 out of 200,000 is some seriously small odds.

I don't know where you have your figures from, but according to a Irish times article there were 230000 girls vaccinated between 2013 and 2017 with 1099 reports of averse reaction of which 59% serious (648cases). Not a figure that can be neglected IMO but of course reports say that there's no evidence between the most severe reactions and the vaccine. Also the vaccine only protects against two respectively 4 strains of HPV out of over a hundred. As others said smear tests are still needed and I think you're better of doing them every year or every two years than putting up with the risks of a limited vaccine .

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple
over a year ago

Chester

Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Exactly.

Our teenage daughter had it as well, i was concerned and did my own research and was happy for her to have it.

Even if there is a link, 300 out of 200,000 is some seriously small odds.

Agree but NHS smears are every 3yrs until 50yrs old then every 5yrs. I will pay private inbetween given this scene along with our regular sti tests.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Exactly.

Our teenage daughter had it as well, i was concerned and did my own research and was happy for her to have it.

Even if there is a link, 300 out of 200,000 is some seriously small odds.

Two of the 4 strains account for 70% of cervical cancers.

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By *unnyfookMan
over a year ago

Naas

This is true,. What I would say is believe in the science. Because if you don't prayers will not save you

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

Pay privately for a smear. piece of mind my mum had a clear smear less than 18 months later was diagnosed with cervical cancer.

Three yrs is too long

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Worth noting that a smear test can * indicate abnormalities , but it’s not to be depended on . If anyone reading has had a clear smear and is experiencing any worrying symptoms , pain, discharge, unexplained bleeding etc , please go see a dr . It’s not enough to rely on the diagnostic of smear testing in the fight against cervical cancer. Please consider having your teenagers vaccinated before they become sexually active and hopefully in the future the number of deaths from this cruel cruel desiese ,will be significantly lower.

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By *oghunter33 OP Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Exactly.

Our teenage daughter had it as well, i was concerned and did my own research and was happy for her to have it.

Even if there is a link, 300 out of 200,000 is some seriously small odds.

Two of the 4 strains account for 70% of cervical cancers. "

I'm aware of that, still leaves you with a 30%. I came across an medical scholar article looking into the link of the vaccination and an increased of cervical cancer rate in Swedish women 25 to 48. Yikes I just don't trust that vaccine at all.

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple
over a year ago

Chester

"Pay privately for a smear. piece of mind my mum had a clear smear less than 18 months later was diagnosed with cervical cancer.

Three yrs is too long "

Agree had smear recently then colposcopy which was clear (nice to see onscreen that all healed after hyster) Consultant said it takes 10-15yrs for cells to change to cancer anyways. Mine being clear on said smear in 5yrs. But think thats to long even though all smeàrs been clear this scene must put us at higher risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ill be very honest i know very little about vaccines,herself on the other hand knows quite alot, the 1st and last jab i got was that flu shot about 7/8 years ago that the doctors were insisting everyone got while i was in getting a cert for my job..so if a doctor tells you to get it you kinda listen to him right? After all he/she has gome thru years and years of training etc why wouldnt you...well being perfectly healthy and wanting to stay that way i got it and that was grand until i woke up during the night puking my ring up and feeling very flu like symptoms,a week later i had to go to the doctor because they never went away and it turned out i had a "chest infection" (1st time ever),was put on antibiotics (again 1st time ever) and after a while it started to feel a bit better,however i didnt feel myself for a couple months and my chest always felt tight so went back to the doc,went on more antibiotics and he gave me a ventolin inhaler....anyways long story short i have never came of inhalers and have asthma now ffs,aswell as getting every flu that crosses my path and bloody hayfever too,all the while i still dont feel right and feel very drained and weak if that makes any sense and the docs after doing loads of bloods and that dont have a reason for it,a coincidence? Possibly...possibly not i dunno but i have looked into it and seems im not the only one thats had health issues immediately after getting the shot,also... (i know its a long post bare with me lol) i think its worth noting one of my local pharmacists 30years in the trade who i know very well insists on not giving her children so much as a panadol and hasnt vaccinated her children,in her words "half the stuff that goes into some of these medicines and vaccinations i would be arrested for having on my person or property" and according to her the ethics involved in the business now has completely changed since she 1st started out,

Who would i trust more...the local pharmacist who we all get our medicine from or the government/pharma companies that are making billions from the vaccines etc?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ill be very honest i know very little about vaccines,herself on the other hand knows quite alot, the 1st and last jab i got was that flu shot about 7/8 years ago that the doctors were insisting everyone got while i was in getting a cert for my job..so if a doctor tells you to get it you kinda listen to him right? After all he/she has gome thru years and years of training etc why wouldnt you...well being perfectly healthy and wanting to stay that way i got it and that was grand until i woke up during the night puking my ring up and feeling very flu like symptoms,a week later i had to go to the doctor because they never went away and it turned out i had a "chest infection" (1st time ever),was put on antibiotics (again 1st time ever) and after a while it started to feel a bit better,however i didnt feel myself for a couple months and my chest always felt tight so went back to the doc,went on more antibiotics and he gave me a ventolin inhaler....anyways long story short i have never came of inhalers and have asthma now ffs,aswell as getting every flu that crosses my path and bloody hayfever too,all the while i still dont feel right and feel very drained and weak if that makes any sense and the docs after doing loads of bloods and that dont have a reason for it,a coincidence? Possibly...possibly not i dunno but i have looked into it and seems im not the only one thats had health issues immediately after getting the shot,also... (i know its a long post bare with me lol) i think its worth noting one of my local pharmacists 30years in the trade who i know very well insists on not giving her children so much as a panadol and hasnt vaccinated her children,in her words "half the stuff that goes into some of these medicines and vaccinations i would be arrested for having on my person or property" and according to her the ethics involved in the business now has completely changed since she 1st started out,

Who would i trust more...the local pharmacist who we all get our medicine from or the government/pharma companies that are making billions from the vaccines etc? "

And yet the pharmacist is quite happy to sell drugs to everyone else,don't think I'd be trusting her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Exactly.

Our teenage daughter had it as well, i was concerned and did my own research and was happy for her to have it.

Even if there is a link, 300 out of 200,000 is some seriously small odds.

Two of the 4 strains account for 70% of cervical cancers.

It's only 12 years since the first vaccines were introduced. Women who are in their 30s and 40s now are pretty unlikely to have been virgins 12 years ago and vaccination would have been pointless if they weren't. So I think that study would need to be more specific about the age ranges in which the increased cancer rate was observed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who would i trust more...the local pharmacist who we all get our medicine from or the government/pharma companies that are making billions from the vaccines etc?

And yet the pharmacist is quite happy to sell drugs to everyone else,don't think I'd be trusting her."

Aye lets trust the government and big pharma instead...they have never ever steered anyone wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who would i trust more...the local pharmacist who we all get our medicine from or the government/pharma companies that are making billions from the vaccines etc?

And yet the pharmacist is quite happy to sell drugs to everyone else,don't think I'd be trusting her.

Aye lets trust the government and big pharma instead...they have never ever steered anyone wrong

Don't see a whole lot of difference between them and your pharmacist tbh. All I can do is research what is available and make my own choice. And of course do nothing is always an option too.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Exactly.

Our teenage daughter had it as well, i was concerned and did my own research and was happy for her to have it.

Even if there is a link, 300 out of 200,000 is some seriously small odds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had the vaccine years ago and had my cervical check this year. It did show up a very small sin like 1 so I’m ok but the said the vaccine I’m still positive for it. I do think it works as I’m prime candate for at least a higher sin. Age and I smoke and family history

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I had the vaccine years ago and had my cervical check this year. It did show up a very small sin like 1 so I’m ok but the said the vaccine I’m still positive for it. I do think it works as I’m prime candate for at least a higher sin. Age and I smoke and family history "

Not to be personal but had you been sexually active before the vaccination, it was only licensed 12 years ago. If you were already active then you had most likely been exposed already.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People should also be aware that there are other risk factors for cervical cancer, including smoking and heredity as mentioned above, multiple full term pregnancies, teenage pregnancy, and being overweight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not to be personal but had you been sexually active before the vaccination, it was only licensed 12 years ago. If you were already

active then you had most likely been exposed already."

God I was active since I was 16

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can still get the vaccine if you’d already been sexually active but they will tell you it’s pointless if your not a virgin and certainly you won’t get it under government funding if that’s the case to get the jabs privately cost about 180 10 yrs ago so no idea how much it would cost today .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not to be personal but had you been sexually active before the vaccination, it was only licensed 12 years ago. If you were already

active then you had most likely been exposed already.

God I was active since I was 16

Then the vaccine was useless to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People should also be aware that there are other risk factors for cervical cancer, including smoking and heredity as mentioned above, multiple full term pregnancies, teenage pregnancy, and being overweight."

I was teen Mam, smoke etc so just get tested it’s the only way. U can’t play god with ur heath. I’d vaccintae kids In my opinion if it saves lives its amazing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know

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By *kcoupleCouple
over a year ago

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"You can still get the vaccine if you’d already been sexually active but they will tell you it’s pointless if your not a virgin and certainly you won’t get it under government funding if that’s the case to get the jabs privately cost about 180 10 yrs ago so no idea how much it would cost today . "

Misinformation I'm afraid and this is the biggest issue with prevention methods. Being a virgin or not has no impact. It is only pointless is you have already contracted HPV. I'm not sure if you misquoted some facts but being sexually active does not automatically mean you have HPV.

Most countries will provide It up until the age of 26 but haven't a clue what the age limit is here.

When you consider a full std screen is about €130 forking out €160 for a vaccine really isn't that much for something that is proven by the WHO to work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I worded it wrong , what I should have said is that if have already been sexually active you were told by healthcare staff that the evvacy of the vaccine in this case couldn’t be guaranteed and might be a waste of money . In many countries it is offered up to mid 20s but is usually at that age still taken up by late starters sexually speaking .

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By *kcoupleCouple
over a year ago

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"Yes I worded it wrong , what I should have said is that if have already been sexually active you were told by healthcare staff that the evvacy of the vaccine in this case couldn’t be guaranteed and might be a waste of money . In many countries it is offered up to mid 20s but is usually at that age still taken up by late starters sexually speaking . "

Spot on. I just picked up on because I was reading about it before our last screening. Off the top of my head I think the cost for adults to get it is about €200 per injection and there were 6 to 9 injections. Pricey enough actually

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By *oghunter33 OP Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Exactly.

Our teenage daughter had it as well, i was concerned and did my own research and was happy for her to have it.

Even if there is a link, 300 out of 200,000 is some seriously small odds.

Two of the 4 strains account for 70% of cervical cancers.

I stand corrected on this one, as I read over the article again. It's women who had received the vaccine but also had contracted the HPV previous to the vaccine and there seems to be evidence that the vaccine can increase the growth of malicious cells.

As for the vaccine I finished my research and it's the aluminium adjuvants that are used in vaccines such as HPV and flu vaccines that can trigger Autoimmune Inflammatory Syndrome (ASIA Syndrome). 'Known symptoms of ASIA Syndrome already include fatigue, arthritis, myalgia, fever, dry mouth, cognitive deficits, chronic fatigue and sleep disorders. POI may be another symptom of ASIA.' If you believe I'm making this up there's plenty of scholar articles out there to read up upon. It's not the first time that the pharmas pushed drugs out there that aren't suitable and it won't be the last.

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over a year ago

Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Bang on the money.

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over a year ago

Oddly before the Hpv vaccine was offered free there was huge complaints about how essential it was and how unfair it was not to cover the 750 it cost to give it privately.

The reason it's been given to boys is because it's a shitty horrible disease that also causes cancer in men. It's a cost issue because you are less likely to get cancer from it as a male. The cost of treating dying women in their 30s (both psychological and medical) makes it a no brainer for women. For men it's not so definite.

The good news for those who did their internet research and decided not to give it to their children because of bullshit about it having side effects?

Your daughters will develop cancer in their late 30s when her children are young.

And I 100% guarantee you will then give your grandchildren who will be rearing because their mother is dead..... The vaccine

You can explain to your grandchildren that their mother (your daughter) died because you read something somewhere about somehow it had side effects....

Yes. That's how stupid it is not to give it

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By *oghunter33 OP Woman
over a year ago

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"Oddly before the Hpv vaccine was offered free there was huge complaints about how essential it was and how unfair it was not to cover the 750 it cost to give it privately.

The good news for those who did their internet research and decided not to give it to their children because of bullshit about it having side effects?

Your daughters will develop cancer in their late 30s when her children are young.

And I 100% guarantee you will then give your grandchildren who will be rearing because their mother is dead..... The vaccine

You can explain to your grandchildren that their mother (your daughter) died because you read something somewhere about somehow it had side effects....

Yes. That's how stupid it is not to give it "

You sound like the evil fairy godmother cursing the non-vaxers.

The boys come into the equation to balance the figures for the government and the pharma, as simple as that.

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over a year ago

With the increase of esophageal, penile and anal cancers in men, I think that it's only right that the boy's should also be offered vaccinations.

Regarding having smear tests, the numbers of women taking up on the free service are outrageously low even before the recent smear test scandal. I personally feel women are not taking care of themselves re having their smears, breast checking or looking after their sexual health as well as they could be.

HPV vaccination for girl's and boy's in my view is a necessity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The pointless thing about arguing with people like this is it's like playing chess with a pidgeon. Even though it's losing it will strut around the board shitting and acting like it's won.

To everyone else. Read the actual literature. Read the evidence of double blind trials.

Not the musings of those that have conspiracy theories about "big pharma "

Because funny and all as it is to read this....

Cervical cancer isn't remotely funny......

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over a year ago

"With the increase of esophageal, penile and anal cancers in men, I think that it's only right that the boy's should also be offered vaccinations.

Agreed, only this week a specialist in the area warned of a rapid rise in STDs in the country, including now record levels of the "older" diseases such as syphilis and gonorrhoea. And that's in the people who are bothering to get tested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Exactly.

Our teenage daughter had it as well, i was concerned and did my own research and was happy for her to have it.

Even if there is a link, 300 out of 200,000 is some seriously small odds.

Two of the 4 strains account for 70% of cervical cancers.

The causes of autoimmune disorders are poorly understood and much disputed, interestingly though, one study of HPV vaccination found a higher incidence of autoimmune disorders in the non-vaccinated population.

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over a year ago

"Oddly before the Hpv vaccine was offered free there was huge complaints about how essential it was and how unfair it was not to cover the 750 it cost to give it privately.

The good news for those who did their internet research and decided not to give it to their children because of bullshit about it having side effects?

Your daughters will develop cancer in their late 30s when her children are young.

And I 100% guarantee you will then give your grandchildren who will be rearing because their mother is dead..... The vaccine

You can explain to your grandchildren that their mother (your daughter) died because you read something somewhere about somehow it had side effects....

Yes. That's how stupid it is not to give it "

I don't think this kind of post serves to further anyone's argument, not least because the thread is clear populated with older unvaccinated women who are still alive.

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

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Coincidence has a huge part to play in this, 300 or so girls have supposedly had side effects to it, out of 200 thousand given it.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Exactly.

Our teenage daughter had it as well, i was concerned and did my own research and was happy for her to have it.

Even if there is a link, 300 out of 200,000 is some seriously small odds.

Two of the 4 strains account for 70% of cervical cancers.

Now I can go to bed but before that my heart goes out to those families who have to deal with severe reactions to the vaccine (feel free to read up on www.regret.ie ) and to those who battle with cervical cancer. "
do you know anything about that website? Have you done some research into the people they list as credible? Are you familiar with alternative medicine?

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over a year ago

it takes 10 seconds on Google to prove what regret.ie is....

http://www.thejournal.ie/hpv-vaccine-ireland-regret-gardasil-facts-2970847-Sep2017/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Boys should be given it no question . After all they are mainly the carriers ! "

Can you prove this? It sounds a bit of a generalisation and anti male other wise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Boys should be given it no question . After all they are mainly the carriers !

Can you prove this? It sounds a bit of a generalisation and anti male other wise

The reason why it's proposed to give it to boys is because it causes penile anal and testicular cancer. It's not been suggested that they be given it to reduce girls exposure.

The difficulty with all these debates is the social justice warriors quote made up "facts" based on "personal experience " and aren't interested in peer reviewed tests that are actually based on results.

Bit like the suggestion above that those commenting are mainly middle aged women. It's like suggesting that because half of people don't die of their smoking habit, that proves smoking is perfectly safe .

Again. Please read the facts and question the websites you are reading

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually, I was pointing out the ridiculous nature of your assertion that every child of a parent here who decides not to have that child vaccinated is doomed to die of cervical cancer. To make a claim like that and then berate others for not sticking to facts is laughable.

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over a year ago

Again you are suggesting things I didnt say rather than what I did say.

The vaccine according to the studies I've given links is to is between 83% and 99% effective at preventing cervical cancer.

In 590000 vaccinations in Ireland since 2012 there were 970 "adverse effects " reported.

So a very effective vaccine against a 0.16% report of adverse finding.

Now maybe you are going to tell me that those with adverse consequence don't bother reporting it?

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over a year ago

Again you are suggesting things I didnt say rather than what I did say.

The vaccine according to the studies I've given links is to is between 83% and 99% effective at preventing cervical cancer.

In 590000 vaccinations in Ireland since 2012 there were 970 "adverse effects " reported.

So a very effective vaccine against a 0.16% report of adverse finding.

Now maybe you are going to tell me that those with adverse consequence don't bother reporting it?"

If you bother to read my posts above, you will see that I am in favour of the vaccine, I believe that the potential benefits outweigh the risks. However, another fact that might interest you is that the HPV strains against which the vaccine attempts to protect are believed to be responsible for about 70% of cervical cancer, so it does not guarantee prevention. To take the view that it does is wrong.

But the real issue I would have with your post was the gloating insinuation that girls who weren't vaccinated would die of cancer and it would be all their parents' fault. This kind of attitude doesn't help anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The good news for those who did their internet research and decided not to give it to their children because of bullshit about it having side effects?

Your daughters will develop cancer in their late 30s when her children are young.

And I 100% guarantee you will then give your grandchildren who will be rearing because their mother is dead..... The vaccine

You can explain to your grandchildren that their mother (your daughter) died because you read something somewhere about somehow it had side effects....

Yes. That's how stupid it is not to give it "

Try reading your post again, "you daughters will develop cancer" -

No "might", it's a definite "will" "explain to your grandchildren that their mother died because you..."

"I guarantee"

I'm reading what you literally typed.

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over a year ago

I didnt gloat. Three of these "middle aged women " posted that they didnt or wouldn't give the vaccine "cos". By "cos" I mean their reasoning was what they had read or that it's a "big pharma" conspiracy or they heard someone who got something.

I'm sorry but these are dumb ignorant reasons. It's a tragedy because they are making decisions for 14 year old girls based on nothing better than superstition.

Yes it's their opinion and they are entitled to it. I'm painting in graphic detail the very possible consequences of their actions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didnt gloat. Three of these "middle aged women " posted that they didnt or wouldn't give the vaccine "cos". By "cos" I mean their reasoning was what they had read or that it's a "big pharma" conspiracy or they heard someone who got something.

I'm sorry but these are dumb ignorant reasons. It's a tragedy because they are making decisions for 14 year old girls based on nothing better than superstition.

Yes it's their opinion and they are entitled to it. I'm painting in graphic detail the very possible consequences of their actions. "

Possible doesn't equal definite or even probable. And given the scandals that constantly emerge over governments and large corporations misleading people, it's hardly surprising that the population has lost faith in authority or experts, not least because, thanks to the internet, we're all experts now.

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over a year ago

The problem with free speech is when an idiot and someone educated debate a topic someone who is uninformed and lacks critical thinking skills often think it is a 50/50 chance of either side being correct.

Humans are very very poor at making decisionsns quite often and hysterical internet memes often draw gullible folks in.

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over a year ago

"The problem with free speech is when an idiot and someone educated debate a topic someone who is uninformed and lacks critical thinking skills often think it is a 50/50 chance of either side being correct.

Humans are very very poor at making decisionsns quite often and hysterical internet memes often draw gullible folks in. "

And quite often we are being misled by both sides of the argument, the authorities are as prone as everyone else to ignoring evidence that doesn't fit with their current story and to perpetrating cover-ups. A bit of skepticism isn't always a bad thing.

I don't see any merit in referring to people as dumb or ignorant simply because they have taken a different decision to mine.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

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All the money is being spent on vaccines instead of cures.

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over a year ago

Humans are very very poor at making decisionsns quite often and hysterical internet memes often draw gullible folks in.

I don't see any merit in referring to people as dumb or ignorant simply because they have taken a different decision to mine. "

Certainly there is cases where there are things covered and to be skeptical of something is fine. Questioning things isn't a bad thing but relying on Mary on facebook vs peer reviewed science is not a reliable indicator of truth.

Just because someone doesn't understand the legitimate informed point of view does not give equal standing to their ignorance.

The earth is flat, circa 6,000 years old. Michael Jackson, Elvis and Tupac are all still alive. The lochness monster and bigfoot are best buds. Jesus was born to a virgin after he cucked her fella to die as a sacrifice to himself for the sins of a species who didn't ask him to and in the majority hadn't been born yet. Conspiracy theories and cults operate within the space that people don't have a solid understanding of rhe opppsite viewpoint.

Has there ever been a conspiracy theory that is actually true. Certainly but as Carl Sagan once said "extraordinary claims" require extraordinary evidence".

Superstition and confirmation bias are not evidence of objective reality despite the wishes of those who seek to claim they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Humans are very very poor at making decisionsns quite often and hysterical internet memes often draw gullible folks in.

I don't see any merit in referring to people as dumb or ignorant simply because they have taken a different decision to mine.

Just because someone doesn't understand the legitimate informed point of view does not give equal standing to their ignorance.

Has there ever been a conspiracy theory that is actually true. Certainly but as Carl Sagan once said "extraordinary claims" require extraordinary evidence".

Superstition and confirmation bias are not evidence of objective reality despite the wishes of those who seek to claim they are."

Nonetheless, resorting to calling others dumb and ignorant is rarely an effective tool in bringing them around to different ways of thinking.

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By *kcoupleCouple
over a year ago

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"All the money is being spent on vaccines instead of cures."

Surely prevention is better than cure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Humans are very very poor at making decisionsns quite often and hysterical internet memes often draw gullible folks in.

I don't see any merit in referring to people as dumb or ignorant simply because they have taken a different decision to mine.

Just because someone doesn't understand the legitimate informed point of view does not give equal standing to their ignorance.

Has there ever been a conspiracy theory that is actually true. Certainly but as Carl Sagan once said "extraordinary claims" require extraordinary evidence".

Superstition and confirmation bias are not evidence of objective reality despite the wishes of those who seek to claim they are.

Nonetheless, resorting to calling others dumb and ignorant is rarely an effective tool in bringing them around to different ways of thinking. "

True. Some folks want to live in their own self created version of reality.

Just out of curiosity why is it offensive to call someone dumb ? There are dumb people around. Sometimes smart people can have dumb belief systems also ! That's not impossible either.

If someone believes in Adam & Eve and rejects evolution for instance ... would you say it is a dumb or just a lack of understanding ?

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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago

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"All the money is being spent on vaccines instead of cures.

Surely prevention is better than cure. "

Both are equally valid as proven by this thread. Not everyone will avail of the preventative vaccine for various reasons so that makes cure just as vital. Having read Bad Pharma by Ben Goldacre was an eye opener. It is definitely a money based industry over prevention and society has always made it so by revering those that cure.