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"Copied from a thread I saw earlier, I'm wondering what others think of this? "We've made a change so that messages from users who leave the site by deleting their account or who are suspended are removed from your (and their) inbox and sentboxes much more quickly (usually, near-instantly). Scenarios where you may see this are where you're messaging a newbie (for example) who leaves the site, those messages will just "go" from your inbox and sentbox rather than staying with the "user no longer on site" tag. We've made this change for a number of operational and practical reasons, one of which is that it stops users from joining with a fake account, sending abusive messages then leaving straight away while those messages linger on and cause harm/upset. Admin" Am I wrong in thinking that it's better to still be able to have nasty messages that you've been sent, in case you need to use them as evidence of trolling or bullying behaviour? Are there any actual benefits to this new feature or is it more a case of out of sight, out of mind? I'd value the opinions of others, please and thank you. " You have good point .......getting rid of the messages could be vital to more serious cases.....I'd rather have the option to delete myself  | |||
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"Copied from a thread I saw earlier, I'm wondering what others think of this? "We've made a change so that messages from users who leave the site by deleting their account or who are suspended are removed from your (and their) inbox and sentboxes much more quickly (usually, near-instantly). Scenarios where you may see this are where you're messaging a newbie (for example) who leaves the site, those messages will just "go" from your inbox and sentbox rather than staying with the "user no longer on site" tag. We've made this change for a number of operational and practical reasons, one of which is that it stops users from joining with a fake account, sending abusive messages then leaving straight away while those messages linger on and cause harm/upset. Admin" Try blocking the abusers or if you really need vengeance, screenshot. No biggie Am I wrong in thinking that it's better to still be able to have nasty messages that you've been sent, in case you need to use them as evidence of trolling or bullying behaviour? Are there any actual benefits to this new feature or is it more a case of out of sight, out of mind? I'd value the opinions of others, please and thank you. " | |||
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"If you see the messages before they are deleted you could always screenshot them" This! With the new feature no troll/stalker/nasty person can just set up a new account, message you and disappear as quick as he/she came as the message is gone too. One has to stay on to make sure the recipient gets the message. Once you get one take a screenshot and you have your evidence even when he/she leaves shortly after. | |||
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"I think the real value could be in not seeing messages from the trolls. By the time you log in or get to it the system has deleted it." That might be a benefit of sorts, if you never actually get to see the message. But if you do see it, how long before it disappears, and if you miss some but get another few from other multiple profiles, how do you prove they're all from the same person without the continuity? I realise that there are trolls who only want to provoke someone, I have no issue with those kinds of messages disappearing, but I think the more sustained and targeted messages should be there, in case the receiver needs to pursue the sender. For the record, I've got my filters set to avoid most of those kinds of messages, but only because I learned from bitter experience. | |||
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"Copied from a thread I saw earlier, I'm wondering what others think of this? "We've made a change so that messages from users who leave the site by deleting their account or who are suspended are removed from your (and their) inbox and sentboxes much more quickly (usually, near-instantly). Scenarios where you may see this are where you're messaging a newbie (for example) who leaves the site, those messages will just "go" from your inbox and sentbox rather than staying with the "user no longer on site" tag. We've made this change for a number of operational and practical reasons, one of which is that it stops users from joining with a fake account, sending abusive messages then leaving straight away while those messages linger on and cause harm/upset. Admin" Am I wrong in thinking that it's better to still be able to have nasty messages that you've been sent, in case you need to use them as evidence of trolling or bullying behaviour? Are there any actual benefits to this new feature or is it more a case of out of sight, out of mind? I'd value the opinions of others, please and thank you. You have good point .......getting rid of the messages could be vital to more serious cases.....I'd rather have the option to delete myself "This is my preferred option too. | |||
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"Copied from a thread I saw earlier, I'm wondering what others think of this? "We've made a change so that messages from users who leave the site by deleting their account or who are suspended are removed from your (and their) inbox and sentboxes much more quickly (usually, near-instantly). Scenarios where you may see this are where you're messaging a newbie (for example) who leaves the site, those messages will just "go" from your inbox and sentbox rather than staying with the "user no longer on site" tag. We've made this change for a number of operational and practical reasons, one of which is that it stops users from joining with a fake account, sending abusive messages then leaving straight away while those messages linger on and cause harm/upset. Admin" Am I wrong in thinking that it's better to still be able to have nasty messages that you've been sent, in case you need to use them as evidence of trolling or bullying behaviour? Are there any actual benefits to this new feature or is it more a case of out of sight, out of mind? I'd value the opinions of others, please and thank you. " Admin only do things to suit themselves, not to help protect us users | |||
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"I was of the same mind set Sally. How does reporting abuse and evidence of said abuse if admin are going to sweep in and remove it. Who exactly benefits from this new feature?" Personally, I don't think it's beneficial to the members, at least not the members who may have been targeted by someone with an axe to grind. | |||
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"Copied from a thread I saw earlier, I'm wondering what others think of this? "We've made a change so that messages from users who leave the site by deleting their account or who are suspended are removed from your (and their) inbox and sentboxes much more quickly (usually, near-instantly). Scenarios where you may see this are where you're messaging a newbie (for example) who leaves the site, those messages will just "go" from your inbox and sentbox rather than staying with the "user no longer on site" tag. We've made this change for a number of operational and practical reasons, one of which is that it stops users from joining with a fake account, sending abusive messages then leaving straight away while those messages linger on and cause harm/upset. Admin" Try blocking the abusers or if you really need vengeance, screenshot. No biggie Am I wrong in thinking that it's better to still be able to have nasty messages that you've been sent, in case you need to use them as evidence of trolling or bullying behaviour? Are there any actual benefits to this new feature or is it more a case of out of sight, out of mind? I'd value the opinions of others, please and thank you. " Blocking a once off abuser is no problem, nor screenshotting a once off message. I'm more concerned about the members who make new profiles to abuse and threaten, surely in cases like that the evidence should be kept on site where it actually happened? | |||
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"Maybe that's why they are doing it leave no evidence " I can't help feeling that this is exactly why. | |||
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"If you see the messages before they are deleted you could always screenshot them" As I've said above, I have no issue with doing that with once off incidents, but I don't feel it's helpful in more sustained attacks. | |||
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"If you see the messages before they are deleted you could always screenshot them This! With the new feature no troll/stalker/nasty person can just set up a new account, message you and disappear as quick as he/she came as the message is gone too. One has to stay on to make sure the recipient gets the message. Once you get one take a screenshot and you have your evidence even when he/she leaves shortly after. " I imagine in most cases the sender stays long enough to know the receiver is at least online before deleting the profile. It feels to me like the sender is being protected more than the receiver is. | |||
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"If members set up accounts and verify them, to get past filters, so they can send disgusting abusive messages to another member and then delete the bogus account then I absolutely agree the messages should be removed instantly. It's been going on for years on this site. Why give them that power. If you're being trolled with abusive messages from a hidden or fake account, I'd just screenshot everything and report. If you need to keep in contact with someone and you're leaving, well if they meant that much wouldn't you exchange those details well before you write I UNDERSTAND
It's a big thumbs up from me "Screenshotting and reporting does no good here, all that happens is the sender and receiver are blocked by the site (if the sender doesn't delete the offensive profile) leaving the sender/attacker free to have a pop on their status at the other person who won't even know it's happening unless someone else spots it, recognises it for the nastiness it is, and tells the attacked. | |||
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"Copied from a thread I saw earlier, I'm wondering what others think of this? "We've made a change so that messages from users who leave the site by deleting their account or who are suspended are removed from your (and their) inbox and sentboxes much more quickly (usually, near-instantly). Scenarios where you may see this are where you're messaging a newbie (for example) who leaves the site, those messages will just "go" from your inbox and sentbox rather than staying with the "user no longer on site" tag. We've made this change for a number of operational and practical reasons, one of which is that it stops users from joining with a fake account, sending abusive messages then leaving straight away while those messages linger on and cause harm/upset. Admin" Am I wrong in thinking that it's better to still be able to have nasty messages that you've been sent, in case you need to use them as evidence of trolling or bullying behaviour? Are there any actual benefits to this new feature or is it more a case of out of sight, out of mind? I'd value the opinions of others, please and thank you. Admin only do things to suit themselves, not to help protect us users " Agreed. | |||
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"We dont like losing messages from someone. If we didnt want to look / want them removed we can remove them by choice??" Again, my preferred option. If someone has something nasty to say to me or about me, I'd prefer to know and to see what's said. | |||
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"If you see the messages before they are deleted you could always screenshot them This! With the new feature no troll/stalker/nasty person can just set up a new account, message you and disappear as quick as he/she came as the message is gone too. One has to stay on to make sure the recipient gets the message. Once you get one take a screenshot and you have your evidence even when he/she leaves shortly after. I imagine in most cases the sender stays long enough to know the receiver is at least online before deleting the profile. It feels to me like the sender is being protected more than the receiver is. " A screenshot is always the better evidence because it captures time and date plus the username of the sender which you won't have when the message isn't automatically deleted and the sender went unlos. I can't see how the sender is more protected through this new feature.  | |||
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"I'm not tech savy so don't know if amdin could do it but people's i.p. addresses should be blocked from the web site, maybe if they've already been removed a couple of times depending on how serious the offence is maybe they're given a few chances and warned their i.p. will be blocked and if it's threatening behaviour then just straight away the i.p. is blocked. Think that would make us feel they actually care about protecting people from abuse Anyone ever be on reddit? Anybody that posts it's always really nice, supporting and positive and fun of course having the craic as most of us do on here and if anyone posts bad or abusive stuff it basically is hidden from people to see and I'm not 100% (maybe someone will correct me) but I think those people get blocked if they continue" I had a sustained attack on me a few years ago here, multiple profiles from the same person or persons which went on for months on end, I think a total of 13 months. I reported and was told to block new and unverified members from contacting me. I did this and the attacker(s) instead sent messages to people who had me on their visible friends list or who had a veri from me on their profile. In the end, with no help from admin, (they actually blocked me from contacting them because I complained every time a message was sent), I had no choice but to ditch my profile and start again. | |||
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"If you see the messages before they are deleted you could always screenshot them This! With the new feature no troll/stalker/nasty person can just set up a new account, message you and disappear as quick as he/she came as the message is gone too. One has to stay on to make sure the recipient gets the message. Once you get one take a screenshot and you have your evidence even when he/she leaves shortly after. I imagine in most cases the sender stays long enough to know the receiver is at least online before deleting the profile. It feels to me like the sender is being protected more than the receiver is. A screenshot is always the better evidence because it captures time and date plus the username of the sender which you won't have when the message isn't automatically deleted and the sender went unlos. I can't see how the sender is more protected through this new feature. "They're protected, for want of a better word, because they get to send their message and then it's just swept away when they leave, almost as if it was never there at all. And yes, I understand that now maybe the intended target never gets to see the message at all, but is ignorance really bliss? | |||
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"I was of the same mind set Sally. How does reporting abuse and evidence of said abuse if admin are going to sweep in and remove it. Who exactly benefits from this new feature?" All innocent users benefit. To put it simply, breaking the privacy of every user on a site/service to catch one theoretical bleeding edge case is frowned upon these days. However, they could implement a logging/archive system if a message is reported. Deleted from our inboxes does not mean deleted from their system. They might wait 48 hours to do the proper delete. | |||
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"For years I have repeated suggested to admin that no new user should not be able to send or recieve messages within 48 or 72 hrs to help recent fakes setting up and sending abusive messages and then disappearing. I suggested it in the latest suggestions too. This feature would also help females especially being bombarded with messages immediately without being able to settle in. I'm guessing admin have another motive for this new feature... remove incriminating evidence and then there are much fewer complaints to log up." That doesn't prevent someone making a profile a day for a month, and then sending messages from each one, while still making another new profile every day. I agree, they're removing evidence. | |||
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"I was of the same mind set Sally. How does reporting abuse and evidence of said abuse if admin are going to sweep in and remove it. Who exactly benefits from this new feature? All innocent users benefit. To put it simply, breaking the privacy of every user on a site/service to catch one theoretical bleeding edge case is frowned upon these days. However, they could implement a logging/archive system if a message is reported. Deleted from our inboxes does not mean deleted from their system. They might wait 48 hours to do the proper delete." I'm liking the sound of that, but there's been no indication that this is the intention. | |||
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"Currently according to the owners if you save their messages they stay in your saved box even though the message box ones are deleted and disappear. If you dont save it you've lost them. No need to screen save the messages then." You can't access messages you saved when you were a paying member if you don't keep paying. | |||
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"How about you can't send a message unless you're photo verified and those photos have to be face pics for everyone? Once someone is reported as a troll then there's no way back as long as they have a record of the faces of trolls? " Then I and lots of others like me would never have been able to send a message. I'm not photo verified, and it's not an avenue I would choose to go down. | |||
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"It's a good idea as it automatically frees up some space in your inbox. If you wanna keep proof of a nasty comment why don't you take a screenshot off it straight away? If you don't do it straight away it surely wasn't that important! " Older messages fall off the end of your inbox anyway, so that's not a major problem. As for screenshotting straight away, some of the messages I've seen would have had me in a daze for a few minutes, by which time the message would have been swept away if it happened now. | |||
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"No not really because then it becomes a game of cat and mouse if they get deleted quickly then that should deter people to send them. The best way to deter cyber bullying is to limit the channel for a troll not to try police them more. Screen shooting can still be used but this should prevent it in the first place " I hope you're right. | |||
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"Uuuuuhh just experienced a profile deleted I had messaged with. it's like a mushroom being sucked back into the ground, implosion - moob! and gone.... Quite funny actually. "These are becoming 10 a penny at the moment. Almost like should I or shouldn't I message  | |||
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"I tend to agree with your view Sally. I eould prefer still see it in my inbox. Sometimes your 6th sense tells u someone is not for real and seeing they are no longer on the sidetr can be good to know " I agree, a 6th sense is vital, but when it lets us down or rather when we don't listen to it, it's useful to have the message still there. What about when people leave but their verification remains on your summary, should that also go when they do? | |||
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