FabSwingers.com forum: Vote Friday

By *hebossman1 OP Man
over a year ago

dublin

What’s everyone voting Friday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm undecided at moment wbu

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"What’s everyone voting Friday "

A person's vote is their own business.

But I'll give you a clue. It won't be no.

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By *hebossman1 OP Man
over a year ago

dublin

"What’s everyone voting Friday

A person's vote is their own business.

But I'll give you a clue. It won't be no. "

That it is I think the option should be there for who wants it

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By *adylaceWoman
over a year ago

Waterford City

"What’s everyone voting Friday "

You shouldn’t be asking people what they are voting.

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By *hebossman1 OP Man
over a year ago

dublin

"What’s everyone voting Friday

You shouldn’t be asking people what they are voting. "

Just asking out of curiousity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jaysus bringing politics into the forum

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

I can't vote

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By *hebossman1 OP Man
over a year ago

dublin

"I can't vote

Why did you not register in time?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hopefully everyone will use their vote, we will definitely be using ours

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"I can't vote

Why did you not register in time? "

I'm not Irish, as simple as that.

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By *hebossman1 OP Man
over a year ago

dublin

"Hopefully everyone will use their vote, we will definitely be using ours

Good to hear

Dh well that makes sense now lol

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

im voting maybe

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

Regardless of how you are voting just make sure you vote. You can't complain about the outcome if you didn't take part

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't register ontime and I was undecided and still am. If a gun was put to my head I'd vote repeal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just found out I actually am registered and I'm gunna vote yes. This is also (shamefully) the first time I've ever voted in my life

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By *lay2018Couple
over a year ago

westmeath & roscommon.

Honestly don't care if its a yes or no. I never vote because no matter what you vote for, you still seem to get screwd!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Honestly don't care if its a yes or no. I never vote because no matter what you vote for, you still seem to get screwd!"

Even though I've never voted before I'm a big supporter of democracy and I honestly don't see this vote as democratic. It's going to be a yes vote in under 2yrs no matter what is voted for Fri. There's international/European pressure on Ireland to make it a yes vote. Just like the EU treaties if its rejected we'll be told we didn't understand it and we have to vote again.

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By *it_tribesmanMan
over a year ago

Galway

I alway vote but I dont think I will on Friday. Listening to the debates both sides are getting on my nerves. Its a subject I dont have a strong opinion on. I think alot of undecided people will vote no and it will be very close to call

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if you're eligible to vote you really should make the effort to get out and vote. Whatever your view on the issue.

A referendum is important, it's an opportunity to directly change the constitution with one vote. That makes it a lot different to a general election where you're swapping one TD for another. That's what makes this well worth coming out for, this could come down to a few hundred.

Maybe us perverts will save them all

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By *lippery-when-wet-180Woman
over a year ago

South Dub

I will be voting yes. I know a few women who have had to make that horrible journey and then had NO help or support. It might not be something I would agree with doing myself but I don’t believe it is anyone else’s business what you do with your own body

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Honestly don't care if its a yes or no. I never vote because no matter what you vote for, you still seem to get screwd!"

I think it's a real pity that you don't avail of your vote. There are so few occasions in this country where people have a say and in my opinion it should be fully embraced. In my home country we vote about every political fart but also important changes like this one and I always appreciated that I have a say no matter if I was eventually on the loser or the winning side as it empowers each citizen to be part of the future development of their country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I alway vote but I dont think I will on Friday. Listening to the debates both sides are getting on my nerves. Its a subject I dont have a strong opinion on. I think alot of undecided people will vote no and it will be very close to call"

But you don’t need to have a strong opinion on it to vote! This is simply about giving people the choice to take control of their own lives rather than have to put up with laws that were laid down in a bygone era. Unless you’re totally set against it, I’d urge you to vote Yes.

I can understand people being fed up of the debate but think of those who’ve been battling for decades to get to this point. Don’t let apathy win the day here, it’s too important an issue for that to happen. Not voting is actually voting No. It may well be close enough that the undecideds can swing this. We have to stop treating Irish women like second class citizens.

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin

I think if you're able bodied and have no excuses then you should have to vote in all elections and referendums. If you are a citizen etc and are a part of society you should make your voice heard. You've no right to complain about so many things if you don't make yourself 'part of the solution'. Even if you don't think your voice matters I think you're wrong, it does.

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By *hors.HammerMan
over a year ago

Newbridge

I didn't change my address on time so I'll be travelling to pick up my polling card and voting Yes.

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By *ational AdvantageMan
over a year ago

.CK

Stick their vote, sent the voting card back to them and de registered on the registrar, all a heap of sh1t. Makes no difference either way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't vote

I never vote it makes little difference

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By *ildb3rryWoman
over a year ago

Ratoath

I'm not quite sure this belongs on fab but I would urge anyone undecided to vote yes. Noone wants abortion to have to happen but the simple matter is Irish women are being put to the expense and the trauma of having to leave their homes and travel to Britain or Holland in the middle of a CRISIS. Often they can't afford to stay and travel home the same day (medics advise not to do this) sometimes bleeding from the procedure.

Please please help repeal this law and trust Irish Women. The alternative is refusing someone the basic right to make a choice about their own bodies.

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By *exwaterCouple
over a year ago

waterford

A person's vote is their own business, but it is very important to use your vote. There are people dieing all over the world for the right to vote people died on our own Island to give us the right to vote, personally I think it would be an insult to their memory not to go and vote. I read some of the no vote post that came in the letter box. It ranted on about the number of weman in the UK ever year but didn't make any reference to the fact that a very high percentage of our own lovely Irish ladies are adding to the numbers in the UK. Its totally unacceptable in this day and age in our so called modern world that we live in that wemon and young girls have to leave their own land and homes and families. In case you are not sure I we will be voting YES on Friday. What others vote is their own business but please use your vote.

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By *igertigerCouple (MM)
over a year ago

nr Letterkenny

"Honestly don't care if its a yes or no. I never vote because no matter what you vote for, you still seem to get screwd!

I wouldn't bet on another referendum in 2 years and very wrong to assume that we'll get another shot at it in such a short time. A decision needs to be made based on facts not on lies or perhaps a false hope that we'll get a second punt at it. I for one won't be voting to ever put women's lives (and those women are never going to be far removed from me as in close family members) in jeopardy and to ensure that they gets all medical attention should they needs it.

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By *exyDownUnderWoman
over a year ago

Westmeath

"I can't vote

Why did you not register in time?

I'm not Irish, as simple as that.

I'm not Irish and I can vote

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

Some of the cynical posts on this thread disappoint me.

If those were the reasons from r me not voting I'm not sure if I could look any women in the eye again.

Sad.

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By *hefireinsideWoman
over a year ago

city

It saddens me that people are choosing not to vote.. of course it makes a difference! The gay marriage referendum was way closer than expected.

I would urge anyone who's not voting to reconsider, this is a really important issue for many many people in Ireland.

Also take a minute to look at the In Her Shoes Facebook page and consisider if any one of those stories could be someone you know.

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By *ony8054Man
over a year ago

Cork

Cant vote as I am out of the country. However : if I was I would be voting YES.

Abortion is happening anyway so let's make it safer for the women who need it.

And as for people who think others will be getting them Willy Nilly they just have to learn to break the Irish cycle and learn to trust I women.

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By *ony8054Man
over a year ago

Cork

"It saddens me that people are choosing not to vote.. of course it makes a difference! The gay marriage referendum was way closer than expected.

I would urge anyone who's not voting to reconsider, this is a really important issue for many many people in Ireland.

Also take a minute to look at the In Her Shoes Facebook page and consisider if any one of those stories could be someone you know. "

I agree wholeheartedly but I am saddened by the fact I cannot perv your profile.

VOTE YES PEOPLE

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ll be voting Tá to enable my lady friends, sisters, nieces and any potential daughters access proper healthcare in Ireland should they need medical intervention during pregnancy or if they merely decide they don’t want to have a baby up to 12 weeks genstation.

You know, like the rest of the world.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

I actually thought the yes vote would win by a landslide but the more I talk to people the more I hear they're voting no. could be alot closer then I thought

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I actually thought the yes vote would win by a landslide but the more I talk to people the more I hear they're voting no. could be alot closer then I thought "

I've 3 close friends who will chat about anything in our group chat. All of us are males. Two are voting no and one told me his immediate family are voting no, the other guy is undecided. They just believe its not right. They're college graduates too. I'm gunna try win them over before then but and this is for me too......alot of the yes side people are insufferable. Once I vote Fri I don't see myself being on the same side of an argument as alot of these people again.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"I actually thought the yes vote would win by a landslide but the more I talk to people the more I hear they're voting no. could be alot closer then I thought

To be fair, the amount of fuckery I've seen from the yes side has been minimal compared to the no side. Jesus Christ are they playing dirty.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"I actually thought the yes vote would win by a landslide but the more I talk to people the more I hear they're voting no. could be alot closer then I thought "

The modern way of campaigning. Short inaccurate slogans, dirty tricks. Appealing to the gullibility of the voter. They're targeting the undecided into voting no, thinking it's the safer option. To borrow a phrase, they're throwing bullshit at the wall hoping some of it sticks to the uninformed no voter and some of it is.

Just like trump and brexit.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

"I actually thought the yes vote would win by a landslide but the more I talk to people the more I hear they're voting no. could be alot closer then I thought

To be fair, the amount of fuckery I've seen from the yes side has been minimal compared to the no side. Jesus Christ are they playing dirty. "

Agreed sure in Facebook some zealot tried to shock me be sending pictures of abortions etc so I sent back pictures of me gutting rabbits saying they'd have to try harder to shock me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of men will vote no simply because they want to have control over the women in their lives and can’t stand the fact that a yes vote would take the power out of their hands . I have myself in the past aborted a child I thought long and hard before I did I attended councelling which turned out to be nothing more than catholic propaganda which forced me to watch an abortion video in the hope of scaring me into keeping a child I did not want could not cope with and would have regretted . Luckily I was in the position to pay a Marie stopes clinic in the u k the 700 pound fee for the procedure ( I’m talking 15 yrs ago ) and the 300 odd quid for the flights but if my own daughter desired not to carry a baby I would hope she could have a termination without having to leave the country and incur considerable expense to do so . Oh , and to all those to insist women regret abortion let me just say I don’t ! That decision allowed me to control my own life and not be at the mercy of my husband and a dying marriage at the time .

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"A lot of men will vote no simply because they want to have control over the women in their lives and can’t stand the fact that a yes vote would take the power out of their hands . I have myself in the past aborted a child I thought long and hard before I did I attended councelling which turned out to be nothing more than catholic propaganda which forced me to watch an abortion video in the hope of scaring me into keeping a child I did not want could not cope with and would have regretted . Luckily I was in the position to pay a Marie stopes clinic in the u k the 700 pound fee for the procedure ( I’m talking 15 yrs ago ) and the 300 odd quid for the flights but if my own daughter desired not to carry a baby I would hope she could have a termination without having to leave the country and incur considerable expense to do so . Oh , and to all those to insist women regret abortion let me just say I don’t ! That decision allowed me to control my own life and not be at the mercy of my husband and a dying marriage at the time . "

Fundamentally it really is about controlling women. We're not in the dark ages anymore. It's the 21st fucking century.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

a man said to me the other day " if you got a girl pregnant and you wanted the baby but she didn't, if yes Is voted in she carries the baby, she can terminate it in Ireland and you can do sweet f all about it" I don't look at it like that really. if I'm been honest I don't know enough about the situation and all that goes with it. I still think the yes vote will win.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll be voting YES and I would appeal anyone who is undecided to do the same.

This last few months have been a terrible time for Irish women & the 8th amendment is cruel and inhumane.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"a man said to me the other day " if you got a girl pregnant and you wanted the baby but she didn't, if yes Is voted in she carries the baby, she can terminate it in Ireland and you can do sweet f all about it" I don't look at it like that really. if I'm been honest I don't know enough about the situation and all that goes with it. I still think the yes vote will win. "

Then spend the next day or two reading up on it. Read facts not bullshit from both sides and make an informed vote.

If you don't then you can't complain about it.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

Then spend the next day or two reading up on it. Read facts not bullshit from both sides and make an informed vote.

If you don't then you can't complain about it. "
again been honest I'm not one of these people who complains when something goes one way or another in voting. I'd say If you asked alot of single men out there, they havnt a clue about the ins and outs of this. I'd say in voting in general alot don't bother their arse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Repeal the 8th

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

Then spend the next day or two reading up on it. Read facts not bullshit from both sides and make an informed vote.

If you don't then you can't complain about it. again been honest I'm not one of these people who complains when something goes one way or another in voting. I'd say If you asked alot of single men out there, they havnt a clue about the ins and outs of this. I'd say in voting in general alot don't bother their arse. "

We'll agree to disagree. There are a lot of clued in men campaigning for a yes vote. Myself included. There's even a Facebook group for these men.

Your own disinterest in this topic is not indicative of the greater male population.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

". We have to stop treating Irish women like second class citizens. "

We have to stop imagining this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

". We have to stop treating Irish women like second class citizens.

We have to stop imagining this

It was about time you stuck your head in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Voting yes.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

". We have to stop treating Irish women like second class citizens.

We have to stop imagining this

Then we have to give Irish women the bodily autonomy they deserve.

That better?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

". We have to stop treating Irish women like second class citizens.

We have to stop imagining this

It was about time you stuck your head in

I've complex views on all this.

Will vote yes for medical reasons.

I'm talking about the new terrorism that is feminism...facts are optional, fear is what is important. All men are bastards and all women never had it worse. Trust women...unconditionally...even the raving loons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

". We have to stop treating Irish women like second class citizens.

We have to stop imagining this

Then we have to give Irish women the bodily autonomy they deserve.

That better?"

What about the babies autonomy?

Tongue in cheek response to a lie from the yes campaign. This idea of bodily rights is wrong unless we want euthanasia and consumption of hard drugs legalised.

Voting yes btw

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

". We have to stop treating Irish women like second class citizens.

We have to stop imagining this

Then we have to give Irish women the bodily autonomy they deserve.

That better?

What about the babies autonomy?

Tongue in cheek response to a lie from the yes campaign. This idea of bodily rights is wrong unless we want euthanasia and consumption of hard drugs legalised.

Voting yes btw "

It's not a baby. Not up to 12 weeks anyway.

I could only reconcile voting no if I believed there was no difference between what's born at 9 months and a sperm meeting an egg. But I believe there's a difference.

Btw I also want euthanasia and drugs legalised.

So for me bodily autonomy isn't a "lie"

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

most people will vote yes for one reason. the mother's life in case something goes amiss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You get the point I'm making about the potential for life though...cognitive biases aside

The argument you are making acts as if we all have legal control of our bodies already, except the poor beleaguered second class chained to the sink ladies of course....except that it's not true.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

there is no one size fits all approach probably. you could say yes I'd terminate a pregnancy in this incident but wouldn't in a different scenario

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By *iver80Man
over a year ago

south side ,

Mate dont put that up ..what people vote is their personal choise this shouldnt be up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"most people will vote yes for one reason. the mother's life in case something goes amiss "

Exactly

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"You get the point I'm making about the potential for life though...cognitive biases aside

The argument you are making acts as if we all have legal control of our bodies already, except the poor beleaguered second class chained to the sink ladies of course....except that it's not true. "

If that's what you wanna believe, go right ahead.

We've had this dance before. And I'm not in the mood for dancing today.

Someone else can have that argument with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You get the point I'm making about the potential for life though...cognitive biases aside

The argument you are making acts as if we all have legal control of our bodies already, except the poor beleaguered second class chained to the sink ladies of course....except that it's not true.

If that's what you wanna believe, go right ahead.

We've had this dance before. And I'm not in the mood for dancing today.

Someone else can have that argument with you."

Me neither, I'm just pointing out some holes in the vote yes because men are all bastards campaign.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"I can't vote

Why did you not register in time?

I'm not Irish, as simple as that.

I'm not Irish and I can vote

How comes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Foreigners can vote in certain elections once they have been legally resident here a number of years , but to my recollection , that vote covers local representative vote only . It would not cover a matter like a referendum

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

I'm gonna vote no..I dont want any babies to die

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By *rDarcy37Man
over a year ago

lucan

Regardless of my opinion I don't have the right to impose a will on another person. It's a yes vote for me. Their body their decision. They have to live with the decision not me.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

I'm gonna vote no..I dont want any babies to die

Here's the thing, they will anyway. this is not going to stop abortions. they're going to happen anyway. what a yes win will do is make them safer for the women involved.

Also if you want to split hairs, up to 12 weeks they're not really babies. But if you want to believe that, that's your right.

So if that's the reason you're voting no, then you're basically spoiling your vote.

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

I'm gonna vote no..I dont want any babies to die

Here's the thing, they will anyway. this is not going to stop abortions. they're going to happen anyway. what a yes win will do is make them safer for the women involved.

Also if you want to split hairs, up to 12 weeks they're not really babies. But if you want to believe that, that's your right.

So if that's the reason you're voting no, then you're basically spoiling your vote. "

I saw on a poster earlier abortion up to 6 months..vote no..

now maybe i missed the point but I took from this that if a yes vote were to pass abortion would be legal up to 6 months pregnany..a 6 month foetus is a baby..if this is true I'm voting no

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

I'm gonna vote no..I dont want any babies to die

Here's the thing, they will anyway. this is not going to stop abortions. they're going to happen anyway. what a yes win will do is make them safer for the women involved.

Also if you want to split hairs, up to 12 weeks they're not really babies. But if you want to believe that, that's your right.

So if that's the reason you're voting no, then you're basically spoiling your vote.

I saw on a poster earlier abortion up to 6 months..vote no..

now maybe i missed the point but I took from this that if a yes vote were to pass abortion would be legal up to 6 months pregnany..a 6 month foetus is a baby..if this is true I'm voting no

No side posters are economical with the truth, at best.

I would suggest reading up on what the referendum is actually about and the proposed legislation. here's an excerpt

"It is set to propose to make terminations lawful where an appropriate medical practitioner has certified that the pregnancy has not exceeded 12 weeks.

A period of 72 hours must elapse between certification and the termination being carried out.

Beyond that period of pregnancy, termination will only be available in exceptional circumstances, such as the risk of serious harm to the health or life of the woman, in emergency situations, or in cases of fatal foetal abnormality.

In all other circumstances, abortion will remain unlawful after 12 weeks."

so no, there won't be abortions up to 6 months.

PLEASE. get informed and vote wisely. Don't take the posters at face value.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

Sorry, meant to add "no abortions up to 6 months unless in exceptional circumstances"

The no side would have you believe every woman will have abortions willy nilly for fun up to 6 months.

They simply wont.

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

"Sorry, meant to add "no abortions up to 6 months unless in exceptional circumstances"

The no side would have you believe every woman will have abortions willy nilly for fun up to 6 months.

They simply wont. "

Thanks for clarifying..a yes vote sounds very reasonable under thoses terms however I'll be voting no as this issue is close to me heart

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"Sorry, meant to add "no abortions up to 6 months unless in exceptional circumstances"

The no side would have you believe every woman will have abortions willy nilly for fun up to 6 months.

They simply wont.

Thanks for clarifying..a yes vote sounds very reasonable under thoses terms however I'll be voting no as this issue is close to me heart

I would strongly suggest studying up on it anyway, so at least you make an informed decision. going by what posters say (and i'm not singling any side out here) is a bad idea.

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

"Sorry, meant to add "no abortions up to 6 months unless in exceptional circumstances"

The no side would have you believe every woman will have abortions willy nilly for fun up to 6 months.

They simply wont.

Thanks for clarifying..a yes vote sounds very reasonable under thoses terms however I'll be voting no as this issue is close to me heart

I would strongly suggest studying up on it anyway, so at least you make an informed decision. going by what posters say (and i'm not singling any side out here) is a bad idea."

I know but its a personal issue to me..its a very emotive topic..I'm actually surprised how civil people are being to 1 another..people have the right to vote whatever way they want..I'm glad this hasn't gone down the route of the same sex marriage debacle..people who said they wanted to vote no were castigated

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"Sorry, meant to add "no abortions up to 6 months unless in exceptional circumstances"

The no side would have you believe every woman will have abortions willy nilly for fun up to 6 months.

They simply wont.

Thanks for clarifying..a yes vote sounds very reasonable under thoses terms however I'll be voting no as this issue is close to me heart

I would strongly suggest studying up on it anyway, so at least you make an informed decision. going by what posters say (and i'm not singling any side out here) is a bad idea.

Then you're lucky you haven't looked too deeply into the online discussions. It's been quite dirty lately. I for one can't wait until it's all over.

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

"Sorry, meant to add "no abortions up to 6 months unless in exceptional circumstances"

The no side would have you believe every woman will have abortions willy nilly for fun up to 6 months.

They simply wont.

Thanks for clarifying..a yes vote sounds very reasonable under thoses terms however I'll be voting no as this issue is close to me heart

I would strongly suggest studying up on it anyway, so at least you make an informed decision. going by what posters say (and i'm not singling any side out here) is a bad idea.

Then you're lucky you haven't looked too deeply into the online discussions. It's been quite dirty lately. I for one can't wait until it's all over. "

Glad I didnt delve into it too much I remember the last referendum years ago when I was a kid and by god it was dirty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In work today there was three lads in the canteen. The boss, myself and another lad. I quickly said what way are you voting? To them and the boss said "I'll vote yes" and the other lad said "I'm voting no" and then we started talking about something else. There was no annoying cunt telling either person they're wrong and scum etc...

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"Sorry, meant to add "no abortions up to 6 months unless in exceptional circumstances"

The no side would have you believe every woman will have abortions willy nilly for fun up to 6 months.

They simply wont.

Thanks for clarifying..a yes vote sounds very reasonable under thoses terms however I'll be voting no as this issue is close to me heart

I would strongly suggest studying up on it anyway, so at least you make an informed decision. going by what posters say (and i'm not singling any side out here) is a bad idea.

Then you're lucky you haven't looked too deeply into the online discussions. It's been quite dirty lately. I for one can't wait until it's all over.

Glad I didnt delve into it too much I remember the last referendum years ago when I was a kid and by god it was dirty

Which referendum was this?

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

"Sorry, meant to add "no abortions up to 6 months unless in exceptional circumstances"

The no side would have you believe every woman will have abortions willy nilly for fun up to 6 months.

They simply wont.

Thanks for clarifying..a yes vote sounds very reasonable under thoses terms however I'll be voting no as this issue is close to me heart

I would strongly suggest studying up on it anyway, so at least you make an informed decision. going by what posters say (and i'm not singling any side out here) is a bad idea.

Then you're lucky you haven't looked too deeply into the online discussions. It's been quite dirty lately. I for one can't wait until it's all over.

Glad I didnt delve into it too much I remember the last referendum years ago when I was a kid and by god it was dirty

Which referendum was this?"

1992 and if I'm not mistaken there was one in 2002 as well

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By *igertigerCouple (MM)
over a year ago

nr Letterkenny

Some guys really don't have a clue what the referendum is about. They need to grow up and realise how the 8th affects their families not just others. Limiting the right of full medical here to a pregnant woman is wrong. When it's a medical issue I strongly believe in patient doctor confidentiality. The right to life of the mother and her ability to make a decision for herself and her family has to be paramount.

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By *irtypair00Couple
over a year ago

Dublin

Yes we will both be voting on Friday and what we vote is nobody's business

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

at the end of the day as I stated earlier most will vote yes as of a medical issue with the woman and rightly so if her life is at risk, I would do exactly the same but abortion goes alot further than that. should two people who were extremely careless be allowed abort a pregnancy where there is no harm to the mother? another instance. a r..e. a woman in my opinion should most certainly be allowed an abortion. there is twists and roundabouts. same doesn't apply for everything.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

I'll be voting no.

If you vote yes all rights for the child are gone and the law will view an unborn the same as a liver.

If someone beats up your sister/wife when pregnant and they lose the baby. Assault not murder.

If someone murders a pregnant girl (at least 3 women in the past years have been murdered for getting pregnant and refusing to abort) it will be a single murder not double.

Donegal will have abortion clinics before cancer clinics.

They cant lock the new law in place, as anyone can challenge it on constitutional grounds, and together4yes have already hinted they will challenge the new law.

50-56% of down syndrome babies diagnosed in Ireland in the matter and rotunda travel to UK to abort, so even more people will abort ds babies.

If you want a free for all abortion system vote yes.

Its an important enough issue that any outcome should be written into the constitution and not into law.

If you want abortion for the first 12 weeks then for medical grounds only afterwards, vote no. Unless its written in the constitution that 12 weeks can be changed.

The law already allows abortion on mental health grounds, and for medical reasons. We can afford to take another look at this and do it properly.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

Also if you want a baby and the hospital/doctor makes a mistake and kills your baby, you wont be able to sue as the baby is not their patient.

The state will save a lot of money in malpractie insurance.

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By *iver80Man
over a year ago

south side ,

Take this forum down , this had nothing to do with this site , u are asking for peoples opinions on the life of 2 people , i am discusted that u have brought this up on here , you should have more sense as a u human

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone should vote.

Regardless of what their personal feeling is on this or any issue or any other elections or changes to the constitution should be. It gives the person the chance to have their say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It will be a yes for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For men who think it’s not relevant to them ... think of ur sister or future daughter in a difficult position...

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Exercise ur right it can make a difference

I’m voting yes

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

remember also a yes vote is a vote to allow abortion under all circumstances, not just in this case or that case

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

"remember also a yes vote is a vote to allow abortion under all circumstances, not just in this case or that case "

thats what i have an issue with..the law already caters for women faced with difficult circumstances..a yes vote would make abortion on demand happen..i think this is wrong

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"remember also a yes vote is a vote to allow abortion under all circumstances, not just in this case or that case "

Up to 12 weeks.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"remember also a yes vote is a vote to allow abortion under all circumstances, not just in this case or that case

Up to 12 weeks."
I think most know that bit

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"remember also a yes vote is a vote to allow abortion under all circumstances, not just in this case or that case

thats what i have an issue with..the law already caters for women faced with difficult circumstances..a yes vote would make abortion on demand happen..i think this is wrong

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it depends if you agree with for e.g. two people been careless, she gets pregnant and is just allowed an abortion

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"remember also a yes vote is a vote to allow abortion under all circumstances, not just in this case or that case

thats what i have an issue with..the law already caters for women faced with difficult circumstances..a yes vote would make abortion on demand happen..i think this is wrong

it depends if you agree with for e.g. two people been careless, she gets pregnant and is just allowed an abortion "

So do you think because they were careless as a punishment they shouldn't be allowed to abort? And how would you go on the find out if careless sex was being had? Seriously no woman with some sense takes an abortion easy. Also it's not a over the counter tablet process.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't vote.. but if I could it would be Yes

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By *ensualandslow321Man
over a year ago

Tullamore

"I'm not quite sure this belongs on fab but I would urge anyone undecided to vote yes. Noone wants abortion to have to happen but the simple matter is Irish women are being put to the expense and the trauma of having to leave their homes and travel to Britain or Holland in the middle of a CRISIS. Often they can't afford to stay and travel home the same day (medics advise not to do this) sometimes bleeding from the procedure.

Please please help repeal this law and trust Irish Women. The alternative is refusing someone the basic right to make a choice about their own bodies. "

Well said

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By *hefireinsideWoman
over a year ago

city

Some of the posts on here seriously concern me... why is it such a bad thing that women are allowed choose an abortion up to 12 wks?? It's our body!! I don't understand some of the arguments.. seems the men posting who are voting no are suggesting that every single time a sperm fertilises an egg that the male involved will want the baby but the women won't. So the punishment for being 'careless ' is tou should have to carry and raise a baby for 18 yrs?!

I'm baffled that men involved in this lifestyle wouldn't be ok with women having the choice. It's ok to have sexual freedom just shame on you if u get pregnant by accident, no choice!!

I'm so worried Friday is not going to go the way it shpyld, the way the entire international community believe it should.. the way AMNESTY international is telling us it should!

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By *hefireinsideWoman
over a year ago

city

And the person saying it's disgusting to be discussing this.. it's disgusting to sweep under the carpet that THOUSANDS of women are traveling every year for DECADES to do what is right for them and their bodies, disgusting that we don't care for them medically in their own country.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"remember also a yes vote is a vote to allow abortion under all circumstances, not just in this case or that case

thats what i have an issue with..the law already caters for women faced with difficult circumstances..a yes vote would make abortion on demand happen..i think this is wrong

it depends if you agree with for e.g. two people been careless, she gets pregnant and is just allowed an abortion

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"Some of the posts on here seriously concern me... why is it such a bad thing that women are allowed choose an abortion up to 12 wks?? It's our body!! I don't understand some of the arguments.. seems the men posting who are voting no are suggesting that every single time a sperm fertilises an egg that the male involved will want the baby but the women won't. So the punishment for being 'careless ' is tou should have to carry and raise a baby for 18 yrs?!

I'm baffled that men involved in this lifestyle wouldn't be ok with women having the choice. It's ok to have sexual freedom just shame on you if u get pregnant by accident, no choice!!

I'm so worried Friday is not going to go the way it shpyld, the way the entire international community believe it should.. the way AMNESTY international is telling us it should!"
see the million doller question is if a man and a woman conceive and she doesn't want it but he would love a baby, things become very very complicated

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

as I already said if you look at this just under one area, the mother's life at risk you will vote yes but it goes alot further than that for some people. if you vote yes it's abortion, if she wants it/can have it under any circumstances.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"remember also a yes vote is a vote to allow abortion under all circumstances, not just in this case or that case

Up to 12 weeks."

No, initially it will be 12 weeks, but that is a law, that can be changed. All it will take is for someone to challenge the law on constitutional grounds and that 12 will be pushed to 24

Leo has admitted this, and has said 12 weeks can not be locked in place.

If you think abortions on demand should be for everyone up to 12 weeks and then medical grounds after, then you need to vote no.

The only, ONLY way to lock it at 12 weeks is to enter it into the Constitution. It can not be done through normal laws.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"remember also a yes vote is a vote to allow abortion under all circumstances, not just in this case or that case

Up to 12 weeks.

No, initially it will be 12 weeks, but that is a law, that can be changed. All it will take is for someone to challenge the law on constitutional grounds and that 12 will be pushed to 24

Leo has admitted this, and has said 12 weeks can not be locked in place.

If you think abortions on demand should be for everyone up to 12 weeks and then medical grounds after, then you need to vote no.

The only, ONLY way to lock it at 12 weeks is to enter it into the Constitution. It can not be done through normal laws."
most women if been honest will admit they'd like abortion on demand under all circumstances

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm baffled that men involved in this lifestyle wouldn't be ok with women having the choice. It's ok to have sexual freedom just shame on you if u get pregnant by accident, no choice!!

I'm so worried Friday is not going to go the way it shpyld, the way the entire international community believe it should.. the way AMNESTY international is telling us it should!"

This 18 years business is hype. There are adoption services too.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"the way AMNESTY international is telling us it should!"

Amnesty still haven't given back the funding on the issue that the regulators said was illegal.

Amnesty is very flawed these days. They are on record as saying they have only, ONLY used ISIS sympathizers for human rights information in Syria. No red crescent, no red cross, no sans frontieres..

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"For men who think it’s not relevant to them ... think of ur sister or future daughter in a difficult position...

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Exercise ur right it can make a difference

I’m voting yes "

Yes, imagine the difficult position where they get pregnant and decide to keep it. They are single, the boyfriend does not want it, but they tell you they want to keep it.

At first youre all shocked, but as you see her struggle you get behind her and you all start to look forward to the baby.

You're gonna have a beautiful grandchild, or niece or nephew.

Now the boyfriend starts to ring her up demanding she have the abortion, that she isnt going to ruin his life.

You phone the cops they say unless he threatens her there is nothing they can do the baby has no rights.

When shes on her own, he coners her and beats her killing the unborn baby. Up to 3 women in the last 10 years were murdered by boyfriends/family members for not aborting so this scenario is likely to happen once every year or two.

So now your sister/daughters baby has been murdered and the police put it down as an assault.

How have you protected her in this tough time by allowing the 8th to be removed?

Failed to protect your daughter, and your grand child.

There are ways to protect them both, by putting abortion into the constitution. Anything else fails them both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"remember also a yes vote is a vote to allow abortion under all circumstances, not just in this case or that case

thats what i have an issue with..the law already caters for women faced with difficult circumstances..a yes vote would make abortion on demand happen..i think this is wrong

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every woman has a right to do what us right for her. Yes u get guys that say to girls have the baby ill stick wit u . Most of the time girls left on there own . That is fact . Lads run off what then ?

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

sorry I had it wrong. it's only abortion in certain circumstances I am told now

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By *ipsandthighsMan
over a year ago

dublin

I don't have the time to read over all messages but interesting to see such passion declared, I was in the dark over the topic until the last week when I read all the facts, if you are eligible GO VOTE!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The yes vote is for choice.

It is not promoting abortion, it's giving a choice.

A choice that has been made for decades.

It's for compassion, dignity, respecting autonomy and offering care for the woman who makes that choice, in her own country.

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By *llie and ApplesCouple
over a year ago

where ever

I was amazed the other day I shared a repeal the 8th post on fbook....to be honest I was shocked and alarmed by the number of Vote No content then appeared on my news feed or as ads during video clips...

Apples

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

I thought it was abortion under any circumstances, it's not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought it was abortion under any circumstances, it's not "

The wording of the proposed amendment has not been drawn up yet. It's the vote on changing it that's being decided.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

I'm baffled that men involved in this lifestyle wouldn't be ok with women having the choice. It's ok to have sexual freedom just shame on you if u get pregnant by accident, no choice!!

I'm so worried Friday is not going to go the way it shpyld, the way the entire international community believe it should.. the way AMNESTY international is telling us it should!see the million doller question is if a man and a woman conceive and she doesn't want it but he would love a baby, things become very very complicated "

Not so. Yes it should be a mutual discussion. But at the end of the day only one person has to go through the physical act of pregnancy. With all the ups and downs it brings. So while the man should get a say, it's my opinion that the woman should get the final say.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"remember also a yes vote is a vote to allow abortion under all circumstances, not just in this case or that case

Up to 12 weeks.

No, initially it will be 12 weeks, but that is a law, that can be changed. All it will take is for someone to challenge the law on constitutional grounds and that 12 will be pushed to 24

Leo has admitted this, and has said 12 weeks can not be locked in place.

If you think abortions on demand should be for everyone up to 12 weeks and then medical grounds after, then you need to vote no.

The only, ONLY way to lock it at 12 weeks is to enter it into the Constitution. It can not be done through normal laws.most women if been honest will admit they'd like abortion on demand under all circumstances "

Yeah.....no.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"For men who think it’s not relevant to them ... think of ur sister or future daughter in a difficult position...

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Exercise ur right it can make a difference

I’m voting yes

Yes, imagine the difficult position where they get pregnant and decide to keep it. They are single, the boyfriend does not want it, but they tell you they want to keep it.

At first youre all shocked, but as you see her struggle you get behind her and you all start to look forward to the baby.

You're gonna have a beautiful grandchild, or niece or nephew.

Now the boyfriend starts to ring her up demanding she have the abortion, that she isnt going to ruin his life.

You phone the cops they say unless he threatens her there is nothing they can do the baby has no rights.

So now your sister/daughters baby has been murdered and the police put it down as an assault.

How have you protected her in this tough time by allowing the 8th to be removed?

Failed to protect your daughter, and your grand child.

There are ways to protect them both, by putting abortion into the constitution. Anything else fails them both."

That's some serious whataboutery.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

The fact that people are still uninformed about this so late in the game is quite worrying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The fact that people are still uninformed about this so late in the game is quite worrying. "

Agreed.

(Whataboutery is a fantastic word)

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"The fact that people are still uninformed about this so late in the game is quite worrying. "
it's more so that people are not interested in finding out all the ins and outs. lots wont even vote as is with all referendums

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By *igertigerCouple (MM)
over a year ago

nr Letterkenny

"The fact that people are still uninformed about this so late in the game is quite worrying. "

going in to the voting booth and not having researched and reached an informed decision is reckless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For men who think it’s not relevant to them ... think of ur sister or future daughter in a difficult position...

.....

Exercise ur right it can make a difference

I’m voting yes

Yes, imagine the difficult position where they get pregnant and decide to keep it. They are single, the boyfriend does not want it, but they tell you they want to keep it.

At first youre all shocked, but as you see her struggle you get behind her and you all start to look forward to the baby.

You're gonna have a beautiful grandchild, or niece or nephew.

Now the boyfriend starts to ring her up demanding she have the abortion, that she isnt going to ruin his life.

You phone the cops they say unless he threatens her there is nothing they can do the baby has no rights.

So now your sister/daughters baby has been murdered and the police put it down as an assault.

How have you protected her in this tough time by allowing the 8th to be removed?

Failed to protect your daughter, and your grand child.

There are ways to protect them both, by putting abortion into the constitution. Anything else fails them both."

Uh, nobody but the abusive partner is responsible. This is the kind of emotive horseshit that discredits any campaign.

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By *ir1967Man
over a year ago

in da sticks, london, amsterdam, madrid

the repeal of the amendment is overdue , i am flabbergasted how many women are in devour if a No, I guess the Catholic church brain wash engine is one of the most efficient and effective ones.

The vote to repeal the amendment will not promote abortion, but will decriminalize women who take the very difficult decision for whatever the reason and it will keep women like Savita alive , my vote is clearly a revocation of the 8th.

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By *lippery-when-wet-180Woman
over a year ago

South Dub

This actually makes me so mad. I am a single parent myself, I fully support women who decide to have an abortion that is their choice. I do know women who have had to make that horrible journey with no support. It is disgraceful that a foetus is more valuable than an actual human life.

All of those stupid No vote posters are lying. “Women cant’t be trusted” but yeh make her have a baby

Six months old and abort

There will be en epidemic of aborting

All of that is the biggest bullshit I have ever heard.

Really boils my bloody that in this day and age women still don’t have control over their own feelings or body in Ireland

I will most definitely be voting yes on Friday for my daughter and my niece to be able to have a choice ON THEIR BODY

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By *ohndunboyneMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

Have read some, not all of the above.

Just to clarify, the vote is about removing the right to life of the unborn. As in, if you have not appeared into the world, as a baby, you have no rights under the Irish constitution.

What happens afterwards, when the vote is approved, or not, is yet to be decided.

Yes, the government have published draft legislation, which is a suggestion of how it may be written into law (not the constitution)

This is not definitive and is open for debate and adjustment.

Everybody has the ability to meet their local TD and make their views on the legislation, be it the times for termination or the conditions. That's part of your rights as a voter.

Friday is about whether or not you remove the right of the unborn and, by default, prioritise the rights of the mother, otherwise known as the actual living, conscious person, capable of both making a decision for themselves and also having the ability, if desired, to have another child, if so desired.

The main thing is though, get out and vote, whichever way. Make your opinion count. Then lobby your local TD afterwards, depending on the result.

Hope that clarifies it a little for some

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

I'm voting yes. And more so after what I have seen a friend go through and this was not cause shes didnt want her child the very opposite. Campaigners knocked my door from the "no side". I told them I voting yes, she offered me information in leaflets which I said I didn't want. About a hour later or so, she went against my wishes and put the leaflets through my door anyway. I have a 11 yr old daughter who really has no need to know about this referendum, although she will grow into a woman herself but at her age now it's not warranted for her know. She picked up the leaflets and looked before I had a chance to get to them. My vote is my choice like everyone's so my choice was not to take the leaflets and my choice not to explain to my daughter. I had to answer questions to my daughter because of this which I didn't feel comfortable doing. I said no to the leaflets I just wish she respected my view and my choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings "

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it.

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By *reetimefun99Man
over a year ago

leinster

I'm still undecided, I've talked about it and so far I come back with the same conclusion that I just don't know, on the one hand I find abortion to be wrong and so would not be inclined to vote to repeal but then I'm also very much pro individual rights, it's a bit of a conundrum for me

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it."

*Deep breath*

Two women murdered after being abducted

Mass shooting by an "incel" cos he couldn't handle female rejection

Female yes campaigners being verbally assaulted on the streets and the intimidated by male no campaigners

I could go on, but move along, no war, nothing to see here folks....

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By *hefireinsideWoman
over a year ago

city

"I'm still undecided, I've talked about it and so far I come back with the same conclusion that I just don't know, on the one hand I find abortion to be wrong and so would not be inclined to vote to repeal but then I'm also very much pro individual rights, it's a bit of a conundrum for me"

Alot of Yes voters also hate the idea of abortion.. but it happens.. all the time,every day.

What's more important is the individual rights of the women carrying the baby. And yes i do believe the rights of the women (who is already possibly a mother/partner/sister etc) supersedes that of the unborn.

Fundamentally it's about our right to choose. The No side keep coming back to the abortion on demand part so I want to just say so what? If you believe we should have a right to choose it shouldnt matter that we choose somethimf different than they would. Carrying babies seems to be the only reason women are here on earth according to the No side.

We should be able to choose if we want a baby like women in almost every other developed country in the world.

Im so worried this will not go the way it should tomorrow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it.

*Deep breath*

Two women murdered after being abducted

Mass shooting by an "incel" cos he couldn't handle female rejection

Female yes campaigners being verbally assaulted on the streets and the intimidated by male no campaigners

I could go on, but move along, no war, nothing to see here folks...."

In Ireland, as in most countries, the majority of murder victims are male.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

I could be wrong but I'm my opinion I can never see abortion on demand coming into ireland

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over a year ago

"I could be wrong but I'm my opinion I can never see abortion on demand coming into ireland "

It's pretty much unworkable unless it's "on demand" in the early stages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On demand" is of itself an emotionally charged term, implying that the women of Ireland will be queuing up for abortions.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

on demand is going to the clinic and booking an appointment for an abortion and having one. no questions asked.

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over a year ago

"on demand is going to the clinic and booking an appointment for an abortion and having one. no questions asked. "

Legally this doesn't exist in England either, practically it's a different matter.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it.

*Deep breath*

Two women murdered after being abducted

Mass shooting by an "incel" cos he couldn't handle female rejection

Female yes campaigners being verbally assaulted on the streets and the intimidated by male no campaigners

I could go on, but move along, no war, nothing to see here folks....

In Ireland, as in most countries, the majority of murder victims are male."

This isn't about men being murdered

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it."

Seriously !!!!!!

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

Some abortions clinics in the uk its very much make a appointment go for a consultation book you for the procedure and off you go.

No counselling involved no after care. I guess from there point of view the decision is already made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it.

*Deep breath*

Two women murdered after being abducted

Mass shooting by an "incel" cos he couldn't handle female rejection

Female yes campaigners being verbally assaulted on the streets and the intimidated by male no campaigners

I could go on, but move along, no war, nothing to see here folks....

In Ireland, as in most countries, the majority of murder victims are male.

This isn't about men being murdered "

Nor women either, let's be realistic.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it.

*Deep breath*

Two women murdered after being abducted

Mass shooting by an "incel" cos he couldn't handle female rejection

Female yes campaigners being verbally assaulted on the streets and the intimidated by male no campaigners

I could go on, but move along, no war, nothing to see here folks....

In Ireland, as in most countries, the majority of murder victims are male.

This isn't about men being murdered

Nor women either, let's be realistic."

I am, hence me specifically replying to superflash. Why do certain men think they can treat women this way? That's one of the fundamental problems at the moment.

But back to the referendum, in my opinions it's not about abortion, but control over women.

Someone flippantly said in another forum that "it's time for Ireland to decide if it hates women more than it loves religion."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it.

*Deep breath*

Two women murdered after being abducted

Mass shooting by an "incel" cos he couldn't handle female rejection

Female yes campaigners being verbally assaulted on the streets and the intimidated by male no campaigners

I could go on, but move along, no war, nothing to see here folks....

In Ireland, as in most countries, the majority of murder victims are male.

This isn't about men being murdered

Nor women either, let's be realistic.

I am, hence me specifically replying to superflash. Why do certain men think they can treat women this way? That's one of the fundamental problems at the moment.

But back to the referendum, in my opinions it's not about abortion, but control over women.

Someone flippantly said in another forum that "it's time for Ireland to decide if it hates women more than it loves religion.""

I'm sorry, but bringing up the two murders in the last week as "evidence" of some concerted campaign against women is about as far from being realistic as it gets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm pro-choice, but there's an equal amount of hysteria on both sides as far as I can see.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

let's face it. if this is passed it opens up to everything been changed eventually. question is and it's who will be honest. do you think women should be allowed abortion whenever? under any circumstances? again let's be honest, the male helped put it there but when push comes to shove, he has no say.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it.

*Deep breath*

Two women murdered after being abducted

Mass shooting by an "incel" cos he couldn't handle female rejection

Female yes campaigners being verbally assaulted on the streets and the intimidated by male no campaigners

I could go on, but move along, no war, nothing to see here folks....

In Ireland, as in most countries, the majority of murder victims are male.

This isn't about men being murdered

Nor women either, let's be realistic.

I am, hence me specifically replying to superflash. Why do certain men think they can treat women this way? That's one of the fundamental problems at the moment.

But back to the referendum, in my opinions it's not about abortion, but control over women.

Someone flippantly said in another forum that "it's time for Ireland to decide if it hates women more than it loves religion."

I'm sorry, but bringing up the two murders in the last week as "evidence" of some concerted campaign against women is about as far from being realistic as it gets. "

The murders themselves are not evidence per se, but we must ask some hard questions about certain male behaviour. We need only look at this very site. Where is the sense of entitlement coming from? Where are they learning that this is ok? It's my opinion that there are a certain subset of men who are frightened of the approaching paradigm shift of gender equality. More and more of the upcoming generation are learning that this behaviour is not ok, yet certain individuals are calling that generation "sissies" and "pussified" or the latest buzzword "cucks" because horror of horrors they treat women like people!

These guys are the "get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich" types who are shitting themselves because it's not ok to treat women like shit anymore. They're about to lose control and they're afraid.

Some of the no voters fit this pattern.

And if you think I'm crazy then remember this post when you get an abusive message from a guy on this site. Because it's all cut from the same cloth.

I'd say we should try to be better men, but let's just try to be better PEOPLE.

Apologies for the rant. It's not aimed at you personally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm being 100% serious when I say this but the female no voters are tougher to convince than the male ones. Stop stereotyping men. I'm currently seeing a female no voter and she's far from religious and she's the same age as me. Some PEOPLE are against it. In my case I've found that females are more 100% no than the males are. That's just my experience so far though.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"I'm being 100% serious when I say this but the female no voters are tougher to convince than the male ones. Stop stereotyping men. I'm currently seeing a female no voter and she's far from religious and she's the same age as me. Some PEOPLE are against it. In my case I've found that females are more 100% no than the males are. That's just my experience so far though. "

Is that directed at me?

If so I said "some no voters"

I'm making no attempt to stereotype men, I'm just listening to women in my life, that's all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is that directed at me?

If so I said "some no voters"

I'm making no attempt to stereotype men, I'm just listening to women in my life, that's all. "

Whoever keeps saying men are oppressing women. Women will vote no in numbers too. I'm voting yes but I started as no. Someone going through pregnancy at this time that's close to me made me change my mind and I honestly think if people think of their female relatives and friends they'll change their minds too. No woman wants an abortion in her life. They have to have them for other reasons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would suggest you watch the clip from TV3 last night of a smug and condescending Ronan Mullen ‘forgiving’ the girl in the audience who bravely spoke on national TV about her own experience of abortion. I’m not being a smart arse but if that doesn’t sway you to voting Yes then nothing will.

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By *iroma2010Man
over a year ago

Blackrock

I tend to try and stay clear of political forum on Fab but I feel the need to say this.

I will be voting tomorrow and I know exactly what way I will be voting.

Unless anyone here know someone or have a family member who has gone through the whole abortion process, they will never understand what someone in that process going through.

I hear the argument killing a baby and been a murderer for having an abortion, does anyone think someone just wakes up in d morning and say they want to have an abortion?

The process has a emotional, physical, mental and psychological effects on everyone (Male or Female) involved and their families.

This might be to late but I would say if you are undecided, don't listen to the crap on in the media, find someone who is willing to talk about them whole process, how it affected them,and then make your own judgement.

Make an effort to be well informed and stop listening to the noise.

Have a great day

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

To answer someone who asked why don't we just place it in the constitution, the following sums it up far better than I could:

"Why don’t they just change the constitution for so called hard cases?

They could, but this option was rejected by the Joint Oireachtas Committee as a bad idea.

Constitutional law is too inflexible, particularly when it is so difficult to change even as much as a word of the article. The way constitutional law works, it’s really only when a case comes to court that it is tested and then the results of that are how the law is interpreted.

So if you put in an amendment to only say abortion in the case of r**e and FFA should be legal, it will depend on when the right case will be before the court for it to be interpreted. In the meantime, nothing can be done and people will suffer.

We’ve also seen in the Divorce amendment that it is a mistake to put in these types of specifics into the constitution. At the time, it was written in that anyone wanting a divorce must be separated for 4 out of the last 5 years. Twenty years later, and society having moved on, that seems ridiculous, but it will require a referendum to change this wording.

Healthcare regulation like abortion regulations do not belong in the constitution where we need an expensive and time consuming referendum every time we want to make a change.

Legislating for the so called hard cases also ignores the reality of Ireland, where there are women travelling outside of the country to have abortions, or accessing pills illegally to take without medical supervision.

We should also remember that these are people not cases we are talking about, and as long as the 8th is in place they will suffer"

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By *pforit74Man
over a year ago

a secluded seaside cottage, ballybunion,

as a man why am i even given the choice on whether a woman should have a choice or not ?,

my understanding of it is if a woman has to make this decision its not an easy one to make for her , and whatever she decides for whatever reasons is her choice , it must be traumatic enough to make that choice so why should we make her suffer anymore by a long lonely journey to another country , it will be a yes from me anyway

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By *hefireinsideWoman
over a year ago

city

It was appalling.. but showed exactly what a vile human he is. Bad idea having him and the other crazy lawyer lady representing No.. they came across terribly. Thankfully the Yes side won hands down on that debate last night and Pat Kenny was excellent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whoever had the idea of putting Mullen on the final debate did the Yes side a huge favour. He must have cost them a few thousand votes at least!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it.

*Deep breath*

Two women murdered after being abducted

Mass shooting by an "incel" cos he couldn't handle female rejection

Female yes campaigners being verbally assaulted on the streets and the intimidated by male no campaigners

I could go on, but move along, no war, nothing to see here folks....

In Ireland, as in most countries, the majority of murder victims are male.

This isn't about men being murdered

Nor women either, let's be realistic.

I am, hence me specifically replying to superflash. Why do certain men think they can treat women this way? That's one of the fundamental problems at the moment.

But back to the referendum, in my opinions it's not about abortion, but control over women.

Someone flippantly said in another forum that "it's time for Ireland to decide if it hates women more than it loves religion."

I'm sorry, but bringing up the two murders in the last week as "evidence" of some concerted campaign against women is about as far from being realistic as it gets.

Some of the no voters fit this pattern.

And if you think I'm crazy then remember this post when you get an abusive message from a guy on this site. Because it's all cut from the same cloth.

I'd say we should try to be better men, but let's just try to be better PEOPLE.

Apologies for the rant. It's not aimed at you personally."

I never take rants personally, they say more about the speaker in my view. There is certainly a nasty element on the "No" side, but to assume that it's generally indicative of male attitudes towards women, or indeed that it stems entirely from men, is mistaken in my view. Just as it is mistaken to think that we live in a society where there is some kind of conspiracy to put women down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To answer someone who asked why don't we just place it in the constitution, the following sums it up far better than I could:

"Why don’t they just change the constitution for so called hard cases?

They could, but this option was rejected by the Joint Oireachtas Committee as a bad idea.

Healthcare regulation like abortion regulations do not belong in the constitution where we need an expensive and time consuming referendum every time we want to make a change.

We should also remember that these are people not cases we are talking about, and as long as the 8th is in place they will suffer""

I agree with you there, hard cases make for bad law as the saying goes, it's an all or nothing situation and restrictions on early termination would be unworkable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was an unbelievable slip alright.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it.

*Deep breath*

Two women murdered after being abducted

Mass shooting by an "incel" cos he couldn't handle female rejection

Female yes campaigners being verbally assaulted on the streets and the intimidated by male no campaigners

I could go on, but move along, no war, nothing to see here folks....

In Ireland, as in most countries, the majority of murder victims are male.

This isn't about men being murdered

Nor women either, let's be realistic.

I am, hence me specifically replying to superflash. Why do certain men think they can treat women this way? That's one of the fundamental problems at the moment.

But back to the referendum, in my opinions it's not about abortion, but control over women.

Someone flippantly said in another forum that "it's time for Ireland to decide if it hates women more than it loves religion."

I'm sorry, but bringing up the two murders in the last week as "evidence" of some concerted campaign against women is about as far from being realistic as it gets.

Some of the no voters fit this pattern.

And if you think I'm crazy then remember this post when you get an abusive message from a guy on this site. Because it's all cut from the same cloth.

I'd say we should try to be better men, but let's just try to be better PEOPLE.

Apologies for the rant. It's not aimed at you personally.

That's why I was careful to say that it's "some" of the no side.

And I'm not necessarily advocating a conspiracy, moreso some people are resisting a more progressive cultural adjustment.

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By *reetimefun99Man
over a year ago

leinster

I have a deep disliking for him and his ilk I saw that debate I thought he was his usual scummy self, but I don't vote based on others opinions and I find many on the yes side to be equally reprehensible, it actually amazes me that any politician can stand up and claim to be for women when you consider the recent scandals.

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By *exidude200Man
over a year ago

cork

Its about choice for a woman.Vote yes

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By *traycats2Couple
over a year ago

Dublin

My womb . My body . My Choice ..... so yes is my vote

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By *ungdublinguyMan
over a year ago

Dublin/Leitrim

Yes, cause it's not the fucking dark ages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it.

*Deep breath*

Two women murdered after being abducted

Mass shooting by an "incel" cos he couldn't handle female rejection

Female yes campaigners being verbally assaulted on the streets and the intimidated by male no campaigners

I could go on, but move along, no war, nothing to see here folks....

In Ireland, as in most countries, the majority of murder victims are male.

This isn't about men being murdered

Nor women either, let's be realistic.

I am, hence me specifically replying to superflash. Why do certain men think they can treat women this way? That's one of the fundamental problems at the moment.

But back to the referendum, in my opinions it's not about abortion, but control over women.

Someone flippantly said in another forum that "it's time for Ireland to decide if it hates women more than it loves religion."

I'm sorry, but bringing up the two murders in the last week as "evidence" of some concerted campaign against women is about as far from being realistic as it gets.

Some of the no voters fit this pattern.

And if you think I'm crazy then remember this post when you get an abusive message from a guy on this site. Because it's all cut from the same cloth.

I'd say we should try to be better men, but let's just try to be better PEOPLE.

Apologies for the rant. It's not aimed at you personally."

We should ask questions about peoples abilities to think clearly given the influence of mass media - it has some of them whipped up into a frenzy.

You might think i'm taking the piss but this is why I draw a clear comparison between the overblown fear of terrorist attacks and the emerging fear of men. The degree of worrying is not commensurate with the risk. It's tinfoil hat stuff.

You take the actions of a minority of deranged and mentally ill people and use them to argue that the average man needs formal training on how to comport himself.

Misperceptions just suits a certain class of whacktivists to gain funding for their pet causes (cushy jobs, writing gigs and speaking arrangements).

You ...the gullible...are their lifeblood

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it.

Seriously !!!!!! "

One million percent serious and I'd love to talk about it if you disagree

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s everyone voting Friday

You shouldn’t be asking people what they are voting. "

Why not? This is exactly what is wrong with the nation. People too afraid to ask important questions on important topics. It's time to grow up and be mature and discuss things instead of bottling it all up and chatting about it behind closed doors. I will be voting yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Honestly don't care if its a yes or no. I never vote because no matter what you vote for, you still seem to get screwd!"

pathetic excuse

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

" women still don’t have control over their own feelings

This is the type of straight up hysterical "there is a war against women" guff that in turn makes me mad.

Take a few deep breaths and try to see the world as it.

*Deep breath*

Two women murdered after being abducted

Mass shooting by an "incel" cos he couldn't handle female rejection

Female yes campaigners being verbally assaulted on the streets and the intimidated by male no campaigners

I could go on, but move along, no war, nothing to see here folks....

In Ireland, as in most countries, the majority of murder victims are male.

This isn't about men being murdered

Nor women either, let's be realistic.

I am, hence me specifically replying to superflash. Why do certain men think they can treat women this way? That's one of the fundamental problems at the moment.

But back to the referendum, in my opinions it's not about abortion, but control over women.

Someone flippantly said in another forum that "it's time for Ireland to decide if it hates women more than it loves religion."

I'm sorry, but bringing up the two murders in the last week as "evidence" of some concerted campaign against women is about as far from being realistic as it gets.

Some of the no voters fit this pattern.

And if you think I'm crazy then remember this post when you get an abusive message from a guy on this site. Because it's all cut from the same cloth.

I'd say we should try to be better men, but let's just try to be better PEOPLE.

Apologies for the rant. It's not aimed at you personally.

We should ask questions about peoples abilities to think clearly given the influence of mass media - it has some of them whipped up into a frenzy.

You take the actions of a minority of deranged and mentally ill people and use them to argue that the average man needs formal training on how to comport himself.

Misperceptions just suits a certain class of whacktivists to gain funding for their pet causes (cushy jobs, writing gigs and speaking arrangements).

You ...the gullible...are their lifeblood

Re: the terrorists, I'd probably agree with you there.

But if being gullible means men become better people, then I've swallowed it hook line and sinker.

I mean, what's the downside to men treating women better?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will openly admit to not being arsed to read this forum thread. For those however who have not voted today, vote YES. Vote yes for choice, for dignity and above all else compassion.

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By *rDarcy37Man
over a year ago

lucan

According to the Irish Times exit poll it's a 68 % yes... fingers crossed x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"According to the Irish Times exit poll it's a 68 % yes... fingers crossed x"

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"According to the Irish Times exit poll it's a 68 % yes... fingers crossed x"
just saw it. that's a landslide just as I thought

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looking good!!

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"According to the Irish Times exit poll it's a 68 % yes... fingers crossed xjust saw it. that's a landslide just as I thought

I usually hate it when you're right.

Not this time.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

"According to the Irish Times exit poll it's a 68 % yes... fingers crossed xjust saw it. that's a landslide just as I thought

I usually hate it when you're right.

Not this time. "
ah hate is a strong word.

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By *ohndunboyneMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

Looks like a Yes so. It appears my vote does count

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I voted Yes ... & delighted it looks like the country voted 2:1 in favour of Yes

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