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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just wondering what way will the repeal referendum go in your humble opinion!? Will it be a yes or a no? It's a mine field of a subject I must say!!!

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

question is if you got a girl pregnant would you like the option of an abortion in Ireland for her? I think in this day and age it should be available

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By *eebawMan
over a year ago

I would think it will get a yes vote . In some cases there should be legal abortion . There will always be pros and cons to theese topics . But in this day and age if someone wants to abort its easily available in uk or iv known some to get tablets online which is a dangerious game . But its happening .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"question is if you got a girl pregnant would you like the option of an abortion in Ireland for her? I think in this day and age it should be available "

If I got a girl pregnant I'd like to have it planned!!! Lol Abortion is something that isn't decided on lightly. I agree the option should be there for those who need one. Even tho I don't like the idea of abortion, it sometimes is the only way. It needs to be repealed.

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By *m389Man
over a year ago

Bromley

I think yes voters will not show up because they will think they’ve got it bagged.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I would think it will get a yes vote . In some cases there should be legal abortion . There will always be pros and cons to theese topics . But in this day and age if someone wants to abort its easily available in uk or iv known some to get tablets online which is a dangerious game . But its happening . "

The online way is very very dodgy. Totally agree. I hope the country does the right thing and opens the door to choice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think yes voters will not show up because they will think they’ve got it bagged."

I don't so mate haha this referendum will have a high turn out of voters.. it will tight I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the major crux is the fact that if it's repealed the government or EU can decide what replaces it.

The power of the people is actually being taken away.

I believe that first there should be a concrete alternative to the existing law and this is what should be voted on .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think the major crux is the fact that if it's repealed the government or EU can decide what replaces it.

The power of the people is actually being taken away.

I believe that first there should be a concrete alternative to the existing law and this is what should be voted on ."

What alternatives have you in mind?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it will be repealed. the issue that concerns me is voter turn out if there's a 60+% turnout it'll pass comfortably,the closer it gets to 50% the tighter it'll be.

I have to say though if we strip the argument down to it's core, the main problem with the eight is that it does not work. the eight does not stop abortions happening. and that for me more than any of the horror stories I've heard from people who have fallen a foul of it is the most complying reason to repeal.

maybe I sound a bit cold, but this is an emotive issue and I've always thought law should be made with more of a stoic mindset

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By *igertigerCouple (MM)
over a year ago

cc hotel

"I think it will be repealed. the issue that concerns me is voter turn out if there's a 60+% turnout it'll pass comfortably,the closer it gets to 50% the tighter it'll be.

maybe I sound a bit cold, but this is an emotive issue and I've always thought law should be made with more of a stoic mindset"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it will pass but by a small margin, we need to get out there and make sure everyone votes. We can’t be apathetic and say ah sure my vote doesn’t count, it really will in the end

For me it’s also about much much more than abortion. Don’t get me wrong this is a major part of it. We need to let the women of Ireland make decisions about their own bodies and health. The fact that the HSE suspends it’s consent policy when dealing with a pregnant woman is barbaric!

Vote yes!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately, I don't think it'll pass. Going by the equal marriage referendum recently, the vote was 60:40, which isn't a land slide by any means. From that referendum, gay marriage is not hurting anyone else, and everyone knows at least one gay person that they can sympathise with that might sway a religious persons vote.

But from a religious point of view, killing an unbaptised human being and sending them to burn in hell for all eternity is a damn sight worse than two people of the same sex getting it on.

I can't imagine anyone who thinks gay marriage is a sin would be ok with abortions, so if it does pass, I think it'll be by the skin of it's teeth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh for goodness sake ! For all the devout bible followers on here think about this one ... if god himself gave Mary a choice of whether she wanted to carry his son Jesus why the hell cant the women of Ireland be given a choice .(

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By *eductively_SweetWoman
over a year ago

wexford

ppl seen to get this wrong its not about abortion its about GIVING WOMEN THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE what happens to thier body. we dont have to agree with their decisions but we have to give them the right to choose.. who in this world has the right to make any life changes for another hunman been.. maybe if we had the choice babies wont be found in bins or lockers of duffel bays and young girls wont feel so alone. women wont give birth babies that they know wont survive outside the womb.. ITS ABOUT CHOICE AND WE ALL HAVE A BASIC RIGHT TO CHOOSE..

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

Not every pregnancy is planned not every pregnancy has no complications. The vote I feel will be looked at as unwanted pregnancy without the bigger picture looked at....I have three girls who I feel in time for whatever reason health circumstances have the right to choose.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Excellent comments on here guys and girls. I trust a woman to do whats right for her own body. The right to choice is a must in this day and age!

Vote yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hopefully a YES vote

In this day and age there should be an option for people in this country...

This country is still in the dark ages on certin things not geting in2 it

Vote yes

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By *lue TopazWoman
over a year ago

dublin

"I think the major crux is the fact that if it's repealed the government or EU can decide what replaces it.

The power of the people is actually being taken away.

I believe that first there should be a concrete alternative to the existing law and this is what should be voted on ."

I totally agree. Once the legislation is changed it will give any government the right to change it again any time to suit themselves and we will have no say anymore.

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By *ungdublinguyMan
over a year ago

Dublin/Leitrim

Regarding the 'the government will do whatever they want' you people do realise you are the government and the token appointment in charge is doing everything he can to win over the public for the next general election.

And the contracts for overseeing/building/running any future clinics will probably be nepotismed as per usual with the Fianna G/F muppets.

I just want the religious nuts standing on a pile of dead babies in septic tanks to lose to the so called baby killers that want a woman to have a choice.

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By *eanontiWoman
over a year ago

Limerick

My 74 year old father who hasn't voted in years is voting yes. I'm quite sure he voted for the 8th. But his daughters are adults now, not children.

Will it pass, hopefully, but it will be damn tight.

We need parents to make sure our 18 year olds are registered to vote. The 8th of may is the last date to do so. And people who think their vote doesn't count because it'll sail through to be urged to get off their bums.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"I think the major crux is the fact that if it's repealed the government or EU can decide what replaces it.

The power of the people is actually being taken away.

I believe that first there should be a concrete alternative to the existing law and this is what should be voted on .

I totally agree. Once the legislation is changed it will give any government the right to change it again any time to suit themselves and we will have no say anymore.

You could argue that with any law. If you want to have a direct say in legislation, call for direct democracy.

With the conservative and catholic forces in this country I doubt that any party in power would change such law likely because they'd get the bill for it in the next election. It's all just scare mongering.

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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago

C'est moi Boudoir

"ppl seen to get this wrong its not about abortion its about GIVING WOMEN THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE what happens to thier body. we dont have to agree with their decisions but we have to give them the right to choose.. who in this world has the right to make any life changes for another hunman been.. maybe if we had the choice babies wont be found in bins or lockers of duffel bays and young girls wont feel so alone. women wont give birth babies that they know wont survive outside the womb.. ITS ABOUT CHOICE AND WE ALL HAVE A BASIC RIGHT TO CHOOSE.. "

Well said

In 2004 I had to have a hysterectomy. My body, my womb. I had to get my then husband's signature to consent to the procedure! How messed up is that!

While the issue at hand will no longer affect my body... I have children, siblings, niece's and nephew's that may have to face this difficult choice and will need all options/choices and supports available to them right here.

Remember religious based society stopped this country availing of contraception as it incarcerated women in work houses and sold or "discarded" their babies. They were still in operation up to the late 80's early 90's.

This is about choice and the freedom of it.

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By *ohndunboyneMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

I'll be voting Yes. Right to choose is something that I feel Catholicism took away, from many issues in Ireland, for too long.

Also I believe that the World Health Organisation and many human rights organisations are championing the Yes vote.

I don't think the scenarios we have seen in the last few years, where women have died, as a result of the current legal situation, should be allowed to continue.

I do think that the father should have a certain amount of say in any termination decision but let's leave that for another debate.

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By *wingme22Man
over a year ago

Galway

I'm voting for the right to choose.

I just hope people don't choose to use it as conterception.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's be a yes by 15-20%. It'll be comfortable. I just want to say aswell that I know non religious young guys and girls that want to vote no but are gunna abstain from voting. I'd say 30% of people I know would vote no but aren't voters and they would be around my age and non religious people of both genders. People are stereotyping voters. I think a good percentage of no voters wont show up from listening to people I known. It's like they don't agree with it but don't have the heart to take the choice from others. That being said just cause this is what I'm saying doesn't mean get comfortable and skip the vote. Go and vote for what you feel is best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm voting for the right to choose.

I just hope people don't choose to use it as conterception."

Only a man could come up with this scenario, what on earth makes you think a woman would put herself thru a harrowing medical procedure as a form of contraception ? Abortion is painful mentally and physically , it to mention damned bloody expensive with no change from a grand !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm voting for the right to choose.

I just hope people don't choose to use it as conterception.

Not true though. I could get you 10 women in less than an hour that have said the same thing as he has and in reality some people are using it as contraception but it's so few that it shouldn't be considered when you're voting. At this stage I'm kinda sick of women and people just generalising everything with this up coming vote. "men shouldn't even be allowed to vote on this" "only a man would say that" "only religious nutjobs will vote no" "all young people will vote yes so get them registered" all bs.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

#repeal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As others have mentioned already, it’s vital that people, especially the new younger voters, are registered. Very easy to check and if you’re not there’s still time to sort it.

Apathy and complacency are the Yes side’s biggest problem. Anyone who thinks ‘ah sure it’ll pass, I won’t bother voting’ needs their head examined. Just do it.

I see the No side have resorted to hanging around maternity hospitals with their big graphic posters. Hopefully people can see that shower for what they truly are. Abortion already exists in Ireland, it just happens to take place in England. That’s the reality. It’s time this country stop treating our women like second class citizens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A yes vote will hopefully open the doors to safer abortions in Ireland.

A no vote will retain the current situation where women are taking unsafe risks or having to fly to the uk for the prodecure.

It is an emotive issue that is clouded by a lot of cliche statements.

It's important to be objective when voting on issues such as these and not just listen to views within your own echo chamber to reinforce your own cognitive bias. Try listening to the other side of the argument while closing your own preconceived ideas for a few minutes.

I've done it and listened to some very good points on the side to retain the 8th but ultimately there are a lot more concerns that the yes side has raised that have convinced me to vote yes.

It's not so important what you think as to why you think it. I hope the no side aren't having their vote imposed on them by a religious organisation responsible for all kinds of atrocities towards babies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am very much anti abortion. It's something I personally would never have considered in my childbearing years, despite having 3 unplanned pregnancies. Note I said unplanned, not unwanted. As soon as I knew I was pregnant I wanted my babies and I've been very blessed with them all. I am however, also pro choice. I made the choice years ago to continue with my pregnancies and I want every woman in this country to have the right to choose what's right for her.

I'm not sure how the vote will go, I think it will go to the wire. But I will be voting to repeal the 8th.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not going to comment on the referendum, I think there is enough people coming into Ireland and expressing their views on it.but from reading this thread what I find interesting is the amount of men to the amount of women are commenting! Just an observation

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By *hocko87Man
over a year ago

dublin

Abortion is murder no mater what way you look at it . There are plenty of options not to get pregnant . I would let it in a few certain circumstances but not on demand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Abortion is murder no mater what way you look at it . There are plenty of options not to get pregnant . I would let it in a few certain circumstances but not on demand "
So you would agree with murder in a few certain circumstances.What circumstances might they be.

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By *hocko87Man
over a year ago

dublin

If the mother was going to die . Like that poor Indian girl .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the mother was going to die . Like that poor Indian girl . "
But didn't you say abortion was murder no matter what way you looked at it.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

yes vote will win hands down. i also wouldn't be surprised if alot of the male younger generation didn't vote at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the mother was going to die . Like that poor Indian girl . "

She died because of medical negligence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hope it passes for medical/r*pe reasons but I find most of the conduct and rhetoric of the yes side repulsive.

You'd think having a child and following the natural order of things was a disease in itself.

The smart marketing of the choice to kill a future lifeform as a "right to one's own body".

Then there's the irony of vegan repealists.

Legalise cannabis should be next I hope!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Legalise cannabis should be next I hope!"

Legalising cannabis should happen certainly..There's addictive vices people hace that are legal that do far worse damage to their health .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I seen on the news that Iwoa is brining in stricter abortion legislation.

It's called the Heartbeat legislation.

Abortions to banned after six weeks or when a heart beat is dedicated.

There are one or two exceptions to the legislation.

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By *ohnandGemCouple
over a year ago

Louth/Meath/Dublin

"Hope it passes for medical/r*pe reasons but I find most of the conduct and rhetoric of the yes side repulsive.

You'd think having a child and following the natural order of things was a disease in itself.

The smart marketing of the choice to kill a future lifeform as a "right to one's own body".

Then there's the irony of vegan repealists.

Legalise cannabis should be next I hope!"

What's your opinion on the No sides conduct?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Abortion is murder no mater what way you look at it . There are plenty of options not to get pregnant . I would let it in a few certain circumstances but not on demand "

People like you are the reason this country is so bloody backwards! Branding it all as Murder.. as if any woman gets an abortion with murder in mind. Life is hard enough for these poor woman who find themselves in a hard situation. The church in Ireland have enough damage done

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By *wingme22Man
over a year ago

Galway

"I'm voting for the right to choose.

I just hope people don't choose to use it as conterception.

Because I have worked with at least 2 that do!

It is a common thing in Scandinavia!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hope it passes for medical/r*pe reasons but I find most of the conduct and rhetoric of the yes side repulsive.

You'd think having a child and following the natural order of things was a disease in itself.

The smart marketing of the choice to kill a future lifeform as a "right to one's own body".

Then there's the irony of vegan repealists.

Legalise cannabis should be next I hope!

What's your opinion on the No sides conduct?"

I haven't seen much of it but don't like the religious angles as I'm agnostic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another way to look at it is that there is not much of an excuse for an accidental pregnancy these days.

Any sexually responsible adult should be using a mixture of condoms, oral contraceptives, implants, cycle timing, withdrawal and finally the morning after pill.

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By *omtom7Man
over a year ago

Tralee

My bigger concern is what those morons in government will bring in as new legislation. Anything to do with health, especially women's health they seem to fuck up.

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By *nalcumslutWoman
over a year ago

navan

"Abortion is murder no mater what way you look at it . There are plenty of options not to get pregnant . I would let it in a few certain circumstances but not on demand "

You really annoy me with this comment...

Backwards flipping thinking..

Over inflated sense of shite.

On demand you get my horns flashing...

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By *ohndunboyneMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

"Abortion is murder no mater what way you look at it . There are plenty of options not to get pregnant . I would let it in a few certain circumstances but not on demand

You really annoy me with this comment...

Backwards flipping thinking..

Over inflated sense of shite.

On demand you get my horns flashing...

I was thinking of other ways to get your horns flashing but that involves nipple clamps and Spanish fly cream, so probably not what you were thinking of

As to the previous comment above, yeah, so is wearing a condom murder. You're stopping the prevention of a life starting by wearing one, regardless of whatever else you're preventing from entering your own body.

It's still about choice, not about murder or other inflammatory terms.

The woman needs to have a choice.

Sorry but if you can't see that, I'm thinking Neanderthal that doesn't live in a modern age.

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By *ohndunboyneMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

"Abortion is murder no mater what way you look at it . There are plenty of options not to get pregnant . I would let it in a few certain circumstances but not on demand

You really annoy me with this comment...

Backwards flipping thinking..

Over inflated sense of shite.

On demand you get my horns flashing...

I was thinking of other ways to get your horns flashing but that involves nipple clamps and Spanish fly cream, so probably not what you were thinking of

It's still about choice, not about murder or other inflammatory terms.

The woman needs to have a choice.

Sorry but if you can't see that, I'm thinking Neanderthal that doesn't live in a modern age."

That middle paragraph wasn't worded correctly but I do hope everyone gets the gist of it without me having to delete and reword

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By *eanontiWoman
over a year ago

Limerick

"Abortion is murder no mater what way you look at it . There are plenty of options not to get pregnant . I would let it in a few certain circumstances but not on demand

You really annoy me with this comment...

Backwards flipping thinking..

Over inflated sense of shite.

On demand you get my horns flashing...

I was thinking of other ways to get your horns flashing but that involves nipple clamps and Spanish fly cream, so probably not what you were thinking of

It's still about choice, not about murder or other inflammatory terms.

The woman needs to have a choice.

Sorry but if you can't see that, I'm thinking Neanderthal that doesn't live in a modern age."

He maybe both. But, it's HIS choice.

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By *ohndunboyneMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

"Abortion is murder no mater what way you look at it . There are plenty of options not to get pregnant . I would let it in a few certain circumstances but not on demand

You really annoy me with this comment...

Backwards flipping thinking..

Over inflated sense of shite.

On demand you get my horns flashing...

I was thinking of other ways to get your horns flashing but that involves nipple clamps and Spanish fly cream, so probably not what you were thinking of

It's still about choice, not about murder or other inflammatory terms.

The woman needs to have a choice.

Sorry but if you can't see that, I'm thinking Neanderthal that doesn't live in a modern age.

He maybe both. But, it's HIS choice.

Agreed. Everybody has their vote. Love living in a democracy

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By *eanontiWoman
over a year ago

Limerick

"Abortion is murder no mater what way you look at it . There are plenty of options not to get pregnant . I would let it in a few certain circumstances but not on demand

You really annoy me with this comment...

Backwards flipping thinking..

Over inflated sense of shite.

On demand you get my horns flashing...

I was thinking of other ways to get your horns flashing but that involves nipple clamps and Spanish fly cream, so probably not what you were thinking of

It's still about choice, not about murder or other inflammatory terms.

The woman needs to have a choice.

Sorry but if you can't see that, I'm thinking Neanderthal that doesn't live in a modern age.

He maybe both. But, it's HIS choice.

Agreed. Everybody has their vote. Love living in a democracy

Sarcasm missed you there jd

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the major crux is the fact that if it's repealed the government or EU can decide what replaces it.

The power of the people is actually being taken away.

I believe that first there should be a concrete alternative to the existing law and this is what should be voted on ."

That is the only problem I have with it, that's it left open to future governments to decide what is and isn't allowed. You don't want some nutjobs 20 years from now either making it totally illegal or allowing any one use it as a contraceptive device

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