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By *aid back OP   Man
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

its going to cost us 20 million for the visit next year. should we pay this or should we just cancel it ?

i vote for using the money for better tings than the security of a cult leader

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a waste of money...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cult leader

Laid you crack me up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its going to cost us 20 million for the visit next year. should we pay this or should we just cancel it ?

i vote for using the money for better tings than the security of a cult leader "

From what I gather the church are paying laid, probably from your weekly donations, knowing how much of a god fearing man you are

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By *aid back OP   Man
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"Cult leader

Laid you crack me up"

of course he's a cult leader

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary

pissing money away.

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By *rutus83Man
over a year ago

naas


"its going to cost us 20 million for the visit next year. should we pay this or should we just cancel it ?

i vote for using the money for better tings than the security of a cult leader "

100% agree it could go to homing some of the homeless

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan
over a year ago

Tipperary


"its going to cost us 20 million for the visit next year. should we pay this or should we just cancel it ?

i vote for using the money for better tings than the security of a cult leader

100% agree it could go to homing some of the homeless "
a massive problem at the moment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are not a predominantly Islamic country just yet so while we can we should be happy to welcome a Christian leader to Ireland and protect him as necessary while he is here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its going to cost us 20 million for the visit next year. should we pay this or should we just cancel it ?

i vote for using the money for better tings than the security of a cult leader

100% agree it could go to homing some of the homeless a massive problem at the moment "

And not one thats going to be resolved any time soon, with the government spending 7million to put 30-35 heads on beds yesterday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are not a predominantly Islamic country just yet so while we can we should be happy to welcome a Christian leader to Ireland and protect him as necessary while he is here."

We'll never be a predominantly Muslim country. Irish people are sick of religion in general. We might have more Muslims than Christians down the line but they won't be in the majority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are not a predominantly Islamic country just yet so while we can we should be happy to welcome a Christian leader to Ireland and protect him as necessary while he is here.

We'll never be a predominantly Muslim country. Irish people are sick of religion in general. We might have more Muslims than Christians down the line but they won't be in the majority. "

In the last census 78% of the population identified as catholics. I wonder will he get the same turn out as JP11, 1million in the park, rocking the gospel, have times changed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its going to cost us 20 million for the visit next year. should we pay this or should we just cancel it ?

i vote for using the money for better tings than the security of a cult leader "

Lol.... cult leader, I like that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are not a predominantly Islamic country just yet so while we can we should be happy to welcome a Christian leader to Ireland and protect him as necessary while he is here.

We'll never be a predominantly Muslim country. Irish people are sick of religion in general. We might have more Muslims than Christians down the line but they won't be in the majority.

In the last census 78% of the population identified as catholics. I wonder will he get the same turn out as JP11, 1million in the park, rocking the gospel, have times changed."

To be honest 90% of the people I know would say they're Catholic if you asked them what religion they are but if you asked them do they go to church or if they say prayers they'd say no. It's just a habit of ours to call ourselves Catholic but not many of us are. Definitely not 78% anyway.

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By *aid back OP   Man
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

The problem isn't that he's coming it's the fact it's going to cost 20 million to protect him.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Just in time to upkeep the 8th amendment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem isn't that he's coming it's the fact it's going to cost 20 million to protect him. "

He wants to visit a prison when he comes, he might save us money in the long term

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are not a predominantly Islamic country just yet so while we can we should be happy to welcome a Christian leader to Ireland and protect him as necessary while he is here.

We'll never be a predominantly Muslim country. Irish people are sick of religion in general. We might have more Muslims than Christians down the line but they won't be in the majority.

In the last census 78% of the population identified as catholics. I wonder will he get the same turn out as JP11, 1million in the park, rocking the gospel, have times changed."

Also in the census there has been a increase in Irish people admitting they have 'no religion'. Because they are copping on to the brainwashing cult imo. I'd say some fans will show up for his concert but not as many as the previous performer.

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By *aid back OP   Man
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"The problem isn't that he's coming it's the fact it's going to cost 20 million to protect him.

He wants to visit a prison when he comes, he might save us money in the long term "

Maybe he can bring the kiddy fiddlers he's protecting with him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are not a predominantly Islamic country just yet so while we can we should be happy to welcome a Christian leader to Ireland and protect him as necessary while he is here.

We'll never be a predominantly Muslim country. Irish people are sick of religion in general. We might have more Muslims than Christians down the line but they won't be in the majority.

In the last census 78% of the population identified as catholics. I wonder will he get the same turn out as JP11, 1million in the park, rocking the gospel, have times changed.

To be honest 90% of the people I know would say they're Catholic if you asked them what religion they are but if you asked them do they go to church or if they say prayers they'd say no. It's just a habit of ours to call ourselves Catholic but not many of us are. Definitely not 78% anyway. "

I am a Catholic... i dont go to mass except for a wedding or funeral.... i dont go to confessions because i dont believe i need a middle man (priest) to tell God my sins ... if i have anything to say to the man above i will tell him myself .... i believe that you dont need to be a practising Catholic to be a Catholic

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By *z2goTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"We are not a predominantly Islamic country just yet so while we can we should be happy to welcome a Christian leader to Ireland and protect him as necessary while he is here.

We'll never be a predominantly Muslim country. Irish people are sick of religion in general. We might have more Muslims than Christians down the line but they won't be in the majority.

In the last census 78% of the population identified as catholics. I wonder will he get the same turn out as JP11, 1million in the park, rocking the gospel, have times changed.

To be honest 90% of the people I know would say they're Catholic if you asked them what religion they are but if you asked them do they go to church or if they say prayers they'd say no. It's just a habit of ours to call ourselves Catholic but not many of us are. Definitely not 78% anyway.

I am a Catholic... i dont go to mass except for a wedding or funeral.... i dont go to confessions because i dont believe i need a middle man (priest) to tell God my sins ... if i have anything to say to the man above i will tell him myself .... i believe that you dont need to be a practising Catholic to be a Catholic "

I’m with everything you said ..... except the last line . You you should have said is Christian .

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By *z2goTV/TS
over a year ago

london

Can’t belive we are taking about this here .....

But like the saying goes ......opinions are like ass xxxxx every has got one .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting how there’s so many of us heathens on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why would he need 20 Millon spent on security ?? surely Jesus will mind him

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By *rudenMan
over a year ago

dublin

Where did u get the figure of 20millon or are u bull

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

20 million that could be spent improving healthcare, mental health and homeless services. An absolute joke. If people were given a choice I think the majority would vote against this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"20 million that could be spent improving healthcare, mental health and homeless services. An absolute joke. If people were given a choice I think the majority would vote against this."
I agree

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By *riskyfellow69Man
over a year ago

Swingerville


"Where did u get the figure of 20millon or are u bull"

Reported in numerous media outlets yesterday. However story also states that the church itself is paying for the majority of the expected costs.

So OP's post that its costing us (the state/taxpayers) €20M is factually incorrect.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"Where did u get the figure of 20millon or are u bull

Reported in numerous media outlets yesterday. However story also states that the church itself is paying for the majority of the expected costs.

So OP's post that its costing us (the state/taxpayers) €20M is factually incorrect."

And where is the church's money coming from?

Anyhow it's a lot of money to house one guy and his entourage for a couple of days when there's a 3000 children in this country not having a roof over their heads.

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By *riskyfellow69Man
over a year ago

Swingerville


"Where did u get the figure of 20millon or are u bull

Reported in numerous media outlets yesterday. However story also states that the church itself is paying for the majority of the expected costs.

So OP's post that its costing us (the state/taxpayers) €20M is factually incorrect.

And where is the church's money coming from?

Anyhow it's a lot of money to house one guy and his entourage for a couple of days when there's a 3000 children in this country not having a roof over their heads. "

They have collected over €5M already. And will be fundraising for more.

This i know from reading articles on the story yesterday.

Im amazed how people comment on threads without looking into the actual story in question.

Im not defending the church spending that amount of money, im simply stating the facts.

The original post is misleading and just click bait headline grabbing in my opinion. Fake news springs to mind.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"Where did u get the figure of 20millon or are u bull

Reported in numerous media outlets yesterday. However story also states that the church itself is paying for the majority of the expected costs.

So OP's post that its costing us (the state/taxpayers) €20M is factually incorrect.

And where is the church's money coming from?

Anyhow it's a lot of money to house one guy and his entourage for a couple of days when there's a 3000 children in this country not having a roof over their heads.

They have collected over €5M already. And will be fundraising for more.

This i know from reading articles on the story yesterday.

Im amazed how people comment on threads without looking into the actual story in question.

Im not defending the church spending that amount of money, im simply stating the facts.

The original post is misleading and just click bait headline grabbing in my opinion. Fake news springs to mind.

"

I agree with you in principle but isn't collecting and fundraising the more or less the same people's money?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What alot of non sense here ... i would have imagine people would be wiser!

Whether government spend 1 or 100 million on the visit of the pope is money that is budgeted for that purpose at the end of the day pope is an international recognise figure i wouldn't say is all about religion but more so politics and bureaucracy.

As for him being a cult leader respect is need it as most leaders of the world they also have a term, i wouldnt consider myself a practicing catholic or of any religion but i certainly respect other peoples believes!

Irish government spend millions for queen, obama and many other leaders of the world and will always maintain a big budget to maintain diplomatic position in the world having friends in this world now a days is as important as the air you breath they bring alot of benefits to the country!

Anyways being that said if you wish to continue to be a blind fool and run your mouth is entirely your choice

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By *pforit74Man
over a year ago

a secluded seaside cottage, ballybunion,

i've already met him in Rome , it didn't cost me 20 million either , but as , as far as i know hes not on fab , so maybe its the only opportunity those that want to see him get a chance to

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By *riskyfellow69Man
over a year ago

Swingerville


"Where did u get the figure of 20millon or are u bull

Reported in numerous media outlets yesterday. However story also states that the church itself is paying for the majority of the expected costs.

So OP's post that its costing us (the state/taxpayers) €20M is factually incorrect.

And where is the church's money coming from?

Anyhow it's a lot of money to house one guy and his entourage for a couple of days when there's a 3000 children in this country not having a roof over their heads.

They have collected over €5M already. And will be fundraising for more.

This i know from reading articles on the story yesterday.

Im amazed how people comment on threads without looking into the actual story in question.

Im not defending the church spending that amount of money, im simply stating the facts.

The original post is misleading and just click bait headline grabbing in my opinion. Fake news springs to mind.

I agree with you in principle but isn't collecting and fundraising the more or less the same people's money? "

No, it applies to practicing catholics only. Which is a select group of people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where did u get the figure of 20millon or are u bull

Reported in numerous media outlets yesterday. However story also states that the church itself is paying for the majority of the expected costs.

So OP's post that its costing us (the state/taxpayers) €20M is factually incorrect.

And where is the church's money coming from?

Anyhow it's a lot of money to house one guy and his entourage for a couple of days when there's a 3000 children in this country not having a roof over their heads.

They have collected over €5M already. And will be fundraising for more.

This i know from reading articles on the story yesterday.

Im amazed how people comment on threads without looking into the actual story in question.

Im not defending the church spending that amount of money, im simply stating the facts.

The original post is misleading and just click bait headline grabbing in my opinion. Fake news springs to mind.

I agree with you in principle but isn't collecting and fundraising the more or less the same people's money? "

Its not costing the tax payer, you have a choice a choice as to whether you want to donate, its worth bearing in mind the Catholic church is the biggest charitable organisation in the world.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"Where did u get the figure of 20millon or are u bull

Reported in numerous media outlets yesterday. However story also states that the church itself is paying for the majority of the expected costs.

So OP's post that its costing us (the state/taxpayers) €20M is factually incorrect.

And where is the church's money coming from?

Anyhow it's a lot of money to house one guy and his entourage for a couple of days when there's a 3000 children in this country not having a roof over their heads.

They have collected over €5M already. And will be fundraising for more.

This i know from reading articles on the story yesterday.

Im amazed how people comment on threads without looking into the actual story in question.

Im not defending the church spending that amount of money, im simply stating the facts.

The original post is misleading and just click bait headline grabbing in my opinion. Fake news springs to mind.

I agree with you in principle but isn't collecting and fundraising the more or less the same people's money?

Its not costing the tax payer, you have a choice a choice as to whether you want to donate, its worth bearing in mind the Catholic church is the biggest charitable organisation in the world."

Do I have a choice when my neighbours daughter - lovely little Mary - with rings at the door collecting/fundraising?

Anyhow the Catholic Church isn't the biggest charitable organisation in the world. Don't believe everything the priest is telling you....

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

Personally couldn't give a toss about religion but if it costs €20 million for the visit which apparently most of will be stumped up by the church does anyone think that the economy itself will not benefit by more than €20 million with religious pilgrims coming to pay homage to the dude?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where did u get the figure of 20millon or are u bull

Reported in numerous media outlets yesterday. However story also states that the church itself is paying for the majority of the expected costs.

So OP's post that its costing us (the state/taxpayers) €20M is factually incorrect.

And where is the church's money coming from?

Anyhow it's a lot of money to house one guy and his entourage for a couple of days when there's a 3000 children in this country not having a roof over their heads.

They have collected over €5M already. And will be fundraising for more.

This i know from reading articles on the story yesterday.

Im amazed how people comment on threads without looking into the actual story in question.

Im not defending the church spending that amount of money, im simply stating the facts.

The original post is misleading and just click bait headline grabbing in my opinion. Fake news springs to mind.

I agree with you in principle but isn't collecting and fundraising the more or less the same people's money?

Its not costing the tax payer, you have a choice a choice as to whether you want to donate, its worth bearing in mind the Catholic church is the biggest charitable organisation in the world.

Do I have a choice when my neighbours daughter - lovely little Mary - with rings at the door collecting/fundraising?

Anyhow the Catholic Church isn't the biggest charitable organisation in the world. Don't believe everything the priest is telling you...."

Yes, you do have a choice, you can tell little mary to fuck off if you choose im assuming they are, id be interested to know how much they contribute to society, if you have that information at hand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What alot of non sense here ... i would have imagine people would be wiser!

Whether government spend 1 or 100 million on the visit of the pope is money that is budgeted for that purpose at the end of the day pope is an international recognise figure i wouldn't say is all about religion but more so politics and bureaucracy.

As for him being a cult leader respect is need it as most leaders of the world they also have a term, i wouldnt consider myself a practicing catholic or of any religion but i certainly respect other peoples believes!

Irish government spend millions for queen, obama and many other leaders of the world and will always maintain a big budget to maintain diplomatic position in the world having friends in this world now a days is as important as the air you breath they bring alot of benefits to the country!

Anyways being that said if you wish to continue to be a blind fool and run your mouth is entirely your choice "

Exactly

Shur, it's a drop in the ocean. We're trying to give 650 times that to the cult of Steve Jobs to save face.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where did u get the figure of 20millon or are u bull

Reported in numerous media outlets yesterday. However story also states that the church itself is paying for the majority of the expected costs.

So OP's post that its costing us (the state/taxpayers) €20M is factually incorrect.

And where is the church's money coming from?

Anyhow it's a lot of money to house one guy and his entourage for a couple of days when there's a 3000 children in this country not having a roof over their heads. "

That's not correct, they are no children in Ireland without a roof over their head, it might not be their roof but they got one..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What alot of non sense here ... i would have imagine people would be wiser!

Whether government spend 1 or 100 million on the visit of the pope is money that is budgeted for that purpose at the end of the day pope is an international recognise figure i wouldn't say is all about religion but more so politics and bureaucracy.

As for him being a cult leader respect is need it as most leaders of the world they also have a term, i wouldnt consider myself a practicing catholic or of any religion but i certainly respect other peoples believes!

Irish government spend millions for queen, obama and many other leaders of the world and will always maintain a big budget to maintain diplomatic position in the world having friends in this world now a days is as important as the air you breath they bring alot of benefits to the country!

Anyways being that said if you wish to continue to be a blind fool and run your mouth is entirely your choice "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

DOWN WITH THIS SORT OFF THING, CAREFUL NOW!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is only one small reason why the catholic church are the wealthiest cult in the world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nhs, homeless, mental illness in desparate need of money but hey splash out 20 mill on a visit from the pope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stop this bs - if you are a Catholic you have to go to mass and practice the religion, it is kinda central to the whole religion. If you don't you are a Catholic in name only.

Pope visit doesnt bother me, I won't be going to see him but have no objection to him coming here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If there wasn't an eighth amendment vote next year then the leader of this sect wouldn't be coming here.

In fact it's also time we got rid of all Catholic propoganda such as the Angelus on tv.

2x minutes x 365 days annually = 12.16 hrs of shite on telly, of which part of your tv licence payment goes to.

Do you really think the hoarding, mega rich Catholic Church pays for the Angelus to be broadcast?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where did u get the figure of 20millon or are u bull

Reported in numerous media outlets yesterday. However story also states that the church itself is paying for the majority of the expected costs.

So OP's post that its costing us (the state/taxpayers) €20M is factually incorrect.

And where is the church's money coming from?

Anyhow it's a lot of money to house one guy and his entourage for a couple of days when there's a 3000 children in this country not having a roof over their heads.

That's not correct, they are no children in Ireland without a roof over their head, it might not be their roof but they got one.. "

You quite sure about that??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where did u get the figure of 20millon or are u bull

Reported in numerous media outlets yesterday. However story also states that the church itself is paying for the majority of the expected costs.

So OP's post that its costing us (the state/taxpayers) €20M is factually incorrect.

And where is the church's money coming from?

Anyhow it's a lot of money to house one guy and his entourage for a couple of days when there's a 3000 children in this country not having a roof over their heads.

They have collected over €5M already. And will be fundraising for more.

This i know from reading articles on the story yesterday.

Im amazed how people comment on threads without looking into the actual story in question.

Im not defending the church spending that amount of money, im simply stating the facts.

The original post is misleading and just click bait headline grabbing in my opinion. Fake news springs to mind.

I agree with you in principle but isn't collecting and fundraising the more or less the same people's money?

Its not costing the tax payer, you have a choice a choice as to whether you want to donate, its worth bearing in mind the Catholic church is the biggest charitable organisation in the world.

Do I have a choice when my neighbours daughter - lovely little Mary - with rings at the door collecting/fundraising?

Anyhow the Catholic Church isn't the biggest charitable organisation in the world. Don't believe everything the priest is telling you....

Yes, you do have a choice, you can tell little mary to fuck off if you choose im assuming they are, id be interested to know how much they contribute to society, if you have that information at hand."

You know in some countries "Germany" for 1.. if you are catholic and go to church.. a % of your salart is taxed for the church.. taxed... and the vatican is a MAJORITY share holder of one of the biggest arms and weapons manufactures in the world..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem isn't that he's coming it's the fact it's going to cost 20 million to protect him.

He wants to visit a prison when he comes, he might save us money in the long term

Maybe he can bring the kiddy fiddlers he's protecting with him"
Cardinal Law for example?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its going to cost us 20 million for the visit next year. should we pay this or should we just cancel it ?

i vote for using the money for better tings than the security of a cult leader "
Surly he should not need protecting, if he lives then it is the will of god or if he dies that is also the will of god?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually like this pope and I'm not a catholic - he's made a small dent in the idea that the Catholic Church has some very stupid rules

That said he cld do a lot more - no point not accepting the trappings of being pope until u sort out tax breaks - one of the wealthiest art collections etc etc

Oh and welcome to ireland lol

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By *lison123Woman
over a year ago

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Use the money to help the homeless open the church doors over Xmas open soup kitchens and keep people out of the cold and keep them fed! It’s sin to spend that kind of money just for one man when it can help so many more who are in actual need of it he has enough money he can pay for his own security if he wants to come here it’s about time the church gave abit back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can hear the reverberation around this thread with the crys of "help the homeless". Are some people that nieve not to acknowledge the contribution of the church in their support of education, healthcare and charities in this Country. We can argue that their influence has been both positive and negative and their control needs to be handed back to the State, who abdicated their responsibility to its citizens decades ago.

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By *aucyladMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Some amount of ignorant and uninformed posts on this thread.Opinions will always vary amongst people particularly when it comes to religion and politics.alot of comments on this topic are well thought and reasoned,then others are just ignorant.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"We'll never be a predominantly Muslim country. Irish people are sick of religion in general. We might have more Muslims than Christians down the line but they won't be in the majority. "

Actually they will. Our constitution guarantees to protect your religion.

What this means is, every person who puts on the census that they are atheist is saying "Remove my voice from religious issues". So if the number of muslims keeps rising and irish people keep throwing their christian values in the bin, then Ireland will officially become a muslim country.

Even if only 2% of the country was muslim and everyone else had no religion, the government would be duty bound to become a muslim country and protect them.

Our constitution this way as we wanted to protect protestants from the discrimination that catholics got. We never foresaw the possibility that everyone would give up their religion and a new religion move in. We simply wanted to make sure Irish people could never mass discriminate against another religion.

Lastly I hope the pope comes and enjoys his visit. If you think one off spending of 20 million would go to homeless people if the pope didnt come, then youre crazy. The money would have just been wasted.

The governments inability to deal with homeless people and other problems is an endemic long term problem with them, and if you gave them 100 billion tomorrow, they would waste it.

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By *assionfruitfunCouple
over a year ago

Dublin


"We'll never be a predominantly Muslim country. Irish people are sick of religion in general. We might have more Muslims than Christians down the line but they won't be in the majority.

Actually they will. Our constitution guarantees to protect your religion.

What this means is, every person who puts on the census that they are atheist is saying "Remove my voice from religious issues". So if the number of muslims keeps rising and irish people keep throwing their christian values in the bin, then Ireland will officially become a muslim country.

Even if only 2% of the country was muslim and everyone else had no religion, the government would be duty bound to become a muslim country and protect them.

Our constitution this way as we wanted to protect protestants from the discrimination that catholics got. We never foresaw the possibility that everyone would give up their religion and a new religion move in. We simply wanted to make sure Irish people could never mass discriminate against another religion.

Lastly I hope the pope comes and enjoys his visit. If you think one off spending of 20 million would go to homeless people if the pope didnt come, then youre crazy. The money would have just been wasted.

The governments inability to deal with homeless people and other problems is an endemic long term problem with them, and if you gave them 100 billion tomorrow, they would waste it."

The Irish constitution guarantees freedom of worship and that the state will not favour any religion nor discriminate on religious grounds. Becoming a Muslim state would be inconstitutional (or a catholic state or a protestant state for that mater). The Irish Republic might have strong historical ties with the catholic church but has officially NO state religion. As for the argument that Atheists have "removed their voices from religious issues" I believe an upcoming referendum next year might disprove that...

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over a year ago

You're shitting me? The current Pope is coming to Ireland? I haven't seen the Pope since '82! JP2... a real devil for the auld "Come and receive the Holy Chrism, my child"... In nomine patrie e fili e.... oooo .... *squirts*...

Oh my gods... I'm all a dither... think of all those horny old men and altar boys in robes. Bishops, archbishops, cardinals... ahhhhh... You think they'll book out the Shelbourne or Marker or will they go full five-star and stay at Ashford or K Club.... phwoar!!

Better sort out my cat o' nine tails and wimple for their inevitable arrival. Woohoooo!!!

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"The Irish constitution guarantees freedom of worship and that the state will not favour any religion nor discriminate on religious grounds. Becoming a Muslim state would be inconstitutional (or a catholic state or a protestant state for that mater). The Irish Republic might have strong historical ties with the catholic church but has officially NO state religion. As for the argument that Atheists have "removed their voices from religious issues" I believe an upcoming referendum next year might disprove that... "

Sure, and the blasphemy law that every memeber of government did not want, got pushed through how? How did a religious law over ride even our human rights?

Face it, the constitutional protection of people with a religion supersedes the protection of someone with no belief system. Every single time it has been tested in court the person with the belief system won.

We can remove ban of abortion from our constitution, but that does not remove the right of religious people to move to have the right of an unborn child enshrined as a religious belief and protected by the state.

You cant say "I am not religious so I can blasphemy if I want", just like you wont be able to say "I am not muslim I can drink alcohol if I want".

I mean that should be obvious.

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over a year ago

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By *aa MidletonMan
over a year ago

east cork


"We are not a predominantly Islamic country just yet so while we can we should be happy to welcome a Christian leader to Ireland and protect him as necessary while he is here.

We'll never be a predominantly Muslim country. Irish people are sick of religion in general. We might have more Muslims than Christians down the line but they won't be in the majority.

In the last census 78% of the population identified as catholics. I wonder will he get the same turn out as JP11, 1million in the park, rocking the gospel, have times changed.

To be honest 90% of the people I know would say they're Catholic if you asked them what religion they are but if you asked them do they go to church or if they say prayers they'd say no. It's just a habit of ours to call ourselves Catholic but not many of us are. Definitely not 78% anyway.

I am a Catholic... i dont go to mass except for a wedding or funeral.... i dont go to confessions because i dont believe i need a middle man (priest) to tell God my sins ... if i have anything to say to the man above i will tell him myself .... i believe that you dont need to be a practising Catholic to be a Catholic

I’m with everything you said ..... except the last line . You you should have said is Christian ."

The Pope is the head of the Catholic Church not the Christian Church, as there are Protestant and Orthodox Churches whom have their own heads of state.

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By *ohndunboyneMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

Some excellent, well thought out views and statement above.

I don't think it matters whether the government or the church pay because both get their money from the same place. Our pockets.

Whether it's correct or not doesn't really matter.

Loads of pilgrimage to Ireland as a result of his visit? I don't think so. Why come to Ireland when he's here for a few days, as opposed to going to Rome, where he appears at least half the year?

He's here for something about families, so maybe that'll be good for something,as I think he is a bit of a reforming character and understands the church have a lot to make up for.

I'm Catholic raised but would probably be classed as atheist at this point. Yes, my kids go to school in what was a Catholic covered school and the church choir for the Christmas mass but we don't go to church, outside of the usual deaths//weddings/funerals, just in case anyone queries where my viewpoint is.

A note of brevity.

I, as a child, used to live asking the priest in school if they believed in ghosts. All, bar one, said no and gave some religious backup of sorts of reasoning. I'd listen attentively and then ask, was the holy spirit not a ghost? Backpedaling central

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By *sir88Man
over a year ago

Donaghmede

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By *sir88Man
over a year ago

Donaghmede


"its going to cost us 20 million for the visit next year. should we pay this or should we just cancel it ?

i vote for using the money for better tings than the security of a cult leader

100% agree it could go to homing some of the homeless "

The Catholic Church are by far and away the biggest helpers of the homeless in Ireland.

I say that as someone whose working in the area homeless in Dublin for 2 years.

St Vincent De Paul

Merchants Quay

Peter McVerry

Crosscare

Respond and more

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy


"its going to cost us 20 million for the visit next year. should we pay this or should we just cancel it ?

i vote for using the money for better tings than the security of a cult leader

100% agree it could go to homing some of the homeless

The Catholic Church are by far and away the biggest helpers of the homeless in Ireland.

I say that as someone whose working in the area homeless in Dublin for 2 years.

St Vincent De Paul

Merchants Quay

Peter McVerry

Crosscare

Respond and more "

Maybe the churches should be opening their doors to shelter the homeless.

It would be a good way of redeeming themselves a bit, for all the wrong they have done in the past.

Totally agree, all religions are cults and based on myths.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ireland and the rest of Europe will become Muslim countries.

They will then not tolerate us Christians and will ask us what we are doing here in what they will then consider to be their country.

We should welcome the Pope while we still can.

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy


"Ireland and the rest of Europe will become Muslim countries.

They will then not tolerate us Christians and will ask us what we are doing here in what they will then consider to be their country.

We should welcome the Pope while we still can."

Ha, what propaganda, scare mongering videos have you been watching on Facebook or YouTube???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ireland and the rest of Europe will become Muslim countries.

They will then not tolerate us Christians and will ask us what we are doing here in what they will then consider to be their country.

We should welcome the Pope while we still can."

Wise up would ye! Can't you see religion of all kinds is a cult! Lies made up to fool the sheeple, nobody owns a country it belongs to the planet!

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By *verage Joe BlackMan
over a year ago

Border Area


"Ireland and the rest of Europe will become Muslim countries.

They will then not tolerate us Christians and will ask us what we are doing here in what they will then consider to be their country.

We should welcome the Pope while we still can.

Wise up would ye! Can't you see religion of all kinds is a cult! Lies made up to fool the sheeple, nobody owns a country it belongs to the planet! "

Why are you attacking this guy..? He has a belief in something which you don’t share. Both of you are entitled to your beliefs and opinions so why not peacefully and quietly disagree..?

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By *aucyladMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Because it would seem that instead of respecting people's opinions may be different it's far easier apparently to rip the piss and think your an expert on everything

If people want to be religious the respect that.Many a person has used it to get them through tough Times.dont label everything you disagree with as fact...consider it and respect it.You don't have to be Christian or a Muslim to respect people's beliefs.

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By *iktikiCouple
over a year ago

city centre


"Because it would seem that instead of respecting people's opinions may be different it's far easier apparently to rip the piss and think your an expert on everything

If people want to be religious the respect that.Many a person has used it to get them through tough Times.dont label everything you disagree with as fact...consider it and respect it.You don't have to be Christian or a Muslim to respect people's beliefs."

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By *verage Joe BlackMan
over a year ago

Border Area


"Because it would seem that instead of respecting people's opinions may be different it's far easier apparently to rip the piss and think your an expert on everything

If people want to be religious the respect that.Many a person has used it to get them through tough Times.dont label everything you disagree with as fact...consider it and respect it.You don't have to be Christian or a Muslim to respect people's beliefs."

Ah come one now: you’re displaying an uncommon theme of respect, tolerance, common sense and consideration for other people’s beliefs in this thread: what do you think this is - a season of goodwill or something...??!

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By *andydevineMan
over a year ago

sligo

I'm sure he will have a great time. Has anyone invited him to a party yet.

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By *hyone74Man
over a year ago

uk and ireland )


"20 million that could be spent improving healthcare, mental health and homeless services. An absolute joke. If people were given a choice I think the majority would vote against this."

Agreed

It’s money that can be better utilised in this digital day can’t he Skype

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