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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Earlier this month Prep, an anti-retro viral medicine that is highly affective at preventing HIV infections, has been approved for use in Ireland.

I was curious how many Fabsters would consider taking it as a preventative step if actively playing with other casual partners.

Obviously this has no affect for the usual STIs such as syphillis, chlymidia, etc. but it’s obviously a major step in reducing incidence of HIV infection.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Whatever highly effective means.

The danger of those kinda drugs is that people become less careful and take risks which eventually could have a reverse effect. And as you pointed out it doesn't protect you from other STIs, HIV isn't the only one that can have major impacts on your health.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From reading the media stories the drug will be only available to openly gay guys engaging in risky sex and not anyone else.

Don't think it will be available to women and so-called straight guys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you want to read that back to yourself and have a think about how that could be enforced

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"From reading the media stories the drug will be only available to openly gay guys engaging in risky sex and not anyone else.

Don't think it will be available to women and so-called straight guys.

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I think your media sources are inaccurate if not misleading. Any medical professional would not deny anyone involved in higher risk behaviour such as swinging, or m2m sex because they are NOT openly gay. Sorry your not openly gay no medicine for you. What about the people in the closet. The bi men, the fab straight men or their potential female partners.

The medication is there to prevent HIV infections in the population regardless of their sexuality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anything that helps to reduce HIV infection has to be a good thing. I've got a question though, sorry if it's a stupid one, I haven't read up on the subject......if one person is taking the drug and comes into contact with hiv in someone else, the drug helps to keep the infection at bay in the person taking it, but if that person then goes on to meet someone else who isn't taking the drug, are they exposed to a lesser/weakened strain or is their risk the same as if neither person was taking the drug?

Sorry if that's not a clear question, I hope it's understandable.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Whatever highly effective means.

The danger of those kinda drugs is that people become less careful and take risks which eventually could have a reverse effect. And as you pointed out it doesn't protect you from other STIs, HIV isn't the only one that can have major impacts on your health. "

Highly effective in this case means the risk of infection is reduced by 90% through unprotected sex. All literature and states that the risk is reduced even more with the use of condoms and other safe practices.

It is not a silver bullet against all ills but one of the major infections with no cure can be managed a little bit more. Condoms break, bad judgment happens in the heat of the moment or a glass of wine too many. This is something that can help. It’s not the panacea for all sexually promiscuous people but it’s a great step forward.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Anything that helps to reduce HIV infection has to be a good thing. I've got a question though, sorry if it's a stupid one, I haven't read up on the subject......if one person is taking the drug and comes into contact with hiv in someone else, the drug helps to keep the infection at bay in the person taking it, but if that person then goes on to meet someone else who isn't taking the drug, are they exposed to a lesser/weakened strain or is their risk the same as if neither person was taking the drug?

Sorry if that's not a clear question, I hope it's understandable. "

I am not a medical professional just a Horny bastard, but as I understand the drug prevents the virus from replicating and infecting the person that is exposed. The virus essential dies off. So the third party would not be exposed to the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anything that helps to reduce HIV infection has to be a good thing. I've got a question though, sorry if it's a stupid one, I haven't read up on the subject......if one person is taking the drug and comes into contact with hiv in someone else, the drug helps to keep the infection at bay in the person taking it, but if that person then goes on to meet someone else who isn't taking the drug, are they exposed to a lesser/weakened strain or is their risk the same as if neither person was taking the drug?

Sorry if that's not a clear question, I hope it's understandable.

I am not a medical professional just a Horny bastard, but as I understand the drug prevents the virus from replicating and infecting the person that is exposed. The virus essential dies off. So the third party would not be exposed to the virus. "

I'm going back to Burn the Bra thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anything that helps to reduce HIV infection has to be a good thing. I've got a question though, sorry if it's a stupid one, I haven't read up on the subject......if one person is taking the drug and comes into contact with hiv in someone else, the drug helps to keep the infection at bay in the person taking it, but if that person then goes on to meet someone else who isn't taking the drug, are they exposed to a lesser/weakened strain or is their risk the same as if neither person was taking the drug?

Sorry if that's not a clear question, I hope it's understandable.

I am not a medical professional just a Horny bastard, but as I understand the drug prevents the virus from replicating and infecting the person that is exposed. The virus essential dies off. So the third party would not be exposed to the virus. "

Thanks HB (horny bastard)

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By *ittyMissKittyWoman
over a year ago

Dublin


"Anything that helps to reduce HIV infection has to be a good thing. I've got a question though, sorry if it's a stupid one, I haven't read up on the subject......if one person is taking the drug and comes into contact with hiv in someone else, the drug helps to keep the infection at bay in the person taking it, but if that person then goes on to meet someone else who isn't taking the drug, are they exposed to a lesser/weakened strain or is their risk the same as if neither person was taking the drug?

Sorry if that's not a clear question, I hope it's understandable.

I am not a medical professional just a Horny bastard, but as I understand the drug prevents the virus from replicating and infecting the person that is exposed. The virus essential dies off. So the third party would not be exposed to the virus.

Thanks HB (horny bastard) "

From my knowledge (completely separate to swinging) prep is prophylactic and is not 100% effective. I don't know how they could give it out for use over condoms and other methods. But as I say I'm open to correction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you use it on top of condoms to avoid hiv infection for oral sex, it could be a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Anything that helps to reduce HIV infection has to be a good thing. I've got a question though, sorry if it's a stupid one, I haven't read up on the subject......if one person is taking the drug and comes into contact with hiv in someone else, the drug helps to keep the infection at bay in the person taking it, but if that person then goes on to meet someone else who isn't taking the drug, are they exposed to a lesser/weakened strain or is their risk the same as if neither person was taking the drug?

Sorry if that's not a clear question, I hope it's understandable.

I am not a medical professional just a Horny bastard, but as I understand the drug prevents the virus from replicating and infecting the person that is exposed. The virus essential dies off. So the third party would not be exposed to the virus.

Thanks HB (horny bastard)

From my knowledge (completely separate to swinging) prep is prophylactic and is not 100% effective. I don't know how they could give it out for use over condoms and other methods. But as I say I'm open to correction"

It’s not supposed to be used in place of condoms it’s the combination that is recommended. Read the literature on it.

http://www.hivireland.ie/hiv/prevention/prep/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I heard on the grapevine that young gay men who lead promiscuous lifestyles are already talking about taking this drug as if it's like a morning after pill. Obviously the drug has to be taken everyday as a preventive measure but it makes you wonder how this will affect the socially economically deprived members of society who can't afford such drugs... I can't see this drug being prescribed to medical card holders..!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I heard on the grapevine that young gay men who lead promiscuous lifestyles are already talking about taking this drug as if it's like a morning after pill. Obviously the drug has to be taken everyday as a preventive measure but it makes you wonder how this will affect the socially economically deprived members of society who can't afford such drugs... I can't see this drug being prescribed to medical card holders..!!"

According to the link it's not available on medical card, and the cost is around €100 a month, or about €30 for the generic one. Unless I read it wrong.

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By *isdirtygirlWoman
over a year ago

Dublin


"I heard on the grapevine that young gay men who lead promiscuous lifestyles are already talking about taking this drug as if it's like a morning after pill. Obviously the drug has to be taken everyday as a preventive measure but it makes you wonder how this will affect the socially economically deprived members of society who can't afford such drugs... I can't see this drug being prescribed to medical card holders..!!

According to the link it's not available on medical card, and the cost is around €100 a month, or about €30 for the generic one. Unless I read it wrong. "

Whats the odds that this drug will literally end up on the shelf Sally? 100 euro a month for a pill that must be taken everyday to work effectively along with seeing your gp at 3 monthly intervals. So its an extra 1200 euro a year at least. Its already doomed to fail when the cost is realised.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The reason I posted the thread was because I was getting my 6 monthly check up at the clinic and I asked the doctor about it.

Although it was currently the case She was expecting that if it was prescribed by the sti clinic then there would be no cost.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I heard on the grapevine that young gay men who lead promiscuous lifestyles are already talking about taking this drug as if it's like a morning after pill. Obviously the drug has to be taken everyday as a preventive measure but it makes you wonder how this will affect the socially economically deprived members of society who can't afford such drugs... I can't see this drug being prescribed to medical card holders..!!

According to the link it's not available on medical card, and the cost is around €100 a month, or about €30 for the generic one. Unless I read it wrong.

Whats the odds that this drug will literally end up on the shelf Sally? 100 euro a month for a pill that must be taken everyday to work effectively along with seeing your gp at 3 monthly intervals. So its an extra 1200 euro a year at least. Its already doomed to fail when the cost is realised. "

It's expensive, but there will be people who can afford it I guess. And for them, it will probably be a godsend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I heard on the grapevine that young gay men who lead promiscuous lifestyles are already talking about taking this drug as if it's like a morning after pill. Obviously the drug has to be taken everyday as a preventive measure but it makes you wonder how this will affect the socially economically deprived members of society who can't afford such drugs... I can't see this drug being prescribed to medical card holders..!!

According to the link it's not available on medical card, and the cost is around €100 a month, or about €30 for the generic one. Unless I read it wrong. "

I'll be honest I havnt read any literature reviews on this topic yet but I'll definatly have a read up in the next few days...im just concerned it's going to become what I think it will become..i.e a playing drug for the affordable while others who can't afford it have to sustain a life of risk taking...!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I heard on the grapevine that young gay men who lead promiscuous lifestyles are already talking about taking this drug as if it's like a morning after pill. Obviously the drug has to be taken everyday as a preventive measure but it makes you wonder how this will affect the socially economically deprived members of society who can't afford such drugs... I can't see this drug being prescribed to medical card holders..!!

According to the link it's not available on medical card, and the cost is around €100 a month, or about €30 for the generic one. Unless I read it wrong.

I'll be honest I havnt read any literature reviews on this topic yet but I'll definatly have a read up in the next few days...im just concerned it's going to become what I think it will become..i.e a playing drug for the affordable while others who can't afford it have to sustain a life of risk taking...!!"

I guess those who can't afford It must just continue to practice safe sex and get regularly tested. In other words, nothing will really change for them.

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By *isdirtygirlWoman
over a year ago

Dublin


"The reason I posted the thread was because I was getting my 6 monthly check up at the clinic and I asked the doctor about it.

Although it was currently the case She was expecting that if it was prescribed by the sti clinic then there would be no cost. "

Theres still a lot of red tape involved with the manufacturers of the drug and the HSE who already fund sti clinics though. While id love to see it introduced free of charge to everyone at risk, id not hold my breath. It will be a couple of years at least before the regulations surrounding it are ironed out. So those who can, will pay for it and those who cant will either go without or will try import it from an online source and even doing that is illegal at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I heard on the grapevine that young gay men who lead promiscuous lifestyles are already talking about taking this drug as if it's like a morning after pill. Obviously the drug has to be taken everyday as a preventive measure but it makes you wonder how this will affect the socially economically deprived members of society who can't afford such drugs... I can't see this drug being prescribed to medical card holders..!!

According to the link it's not available on medical card, and the cost is around €100 a month, or about €30 for the generic one. Unless I read it wrong.

I'll be honest I havnt read any literature reviews on this topic yet but I'll definatly have a read up in the next few days...im just concerned it's going to become what I think it will become..i.e a playing drug for the affordable while others who can't afford it have to sustain a life of risk taking...!!

I guess those who can't afford It must just continue to practice safe sex and get regularly tested. In other words, nothing will really change for them. "

But it only protects from hiv.

Are people not afraid enough of all other sti’s to go bareback with this drug?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I guess those who can't afford It must just continue to practice safe sex and get regularly tested. In other words, nothing will really change for them.

But it only protects from hiv.

Are people not afraid enough of all other sti’s to go bareback with this drug?"

That's what I mean. People who have been practising safe sex and getting regular checks will most likely continue to do just that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The longterm effect of prep on the kidneys and liver which is still unknown could outweigh the benefits of taking it. It's effectively a mixture of 2 drugs used to treat Hiv and can have many side effects.Because of this factor and the price I could only see it being prescribed and of benefit to someone in a relationship with a hiv positive person, where the risk is actually present.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The reason I posted the thread was because I was getting my 6 monthly check up at the clinic and I asked the doctor about it.

Although it was currently the case She was expecting that if it was prescribed by the sti clinic then there would be no cost. "

You are right OP, I was listening to Matt Cooper the other day, he was interviewing a fella from St James’s STI clinic and people are already coming in and asking for this morning after pill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The reason I posted the thread was because I was getting my 6 monthly check up at the clinic and I asked the doctor about it.

Although it was currently the case She was expecting that if it was prescribed by the sti clinic then there would be no cost.

You are right OP, I was listening to Matt Cooper the other day, he was interviewing a fella from St James’s STI clinic and people are already coming in and asking for this morning after pill "

Oh god, that's scary

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The reason I posted the thread was because I was getting my 6 monthly check up at the clinic and I asked the doctor about it.

Although it was currently the case She was expecting that if it was prescribed by the sti clinic then there would be no cost.

You are right OP, I was listening to Matt Cooper the other day, he was

interviewing a fella from St James’s STI clinic and people are already coming in and asking for this morning after pill

Oh god, that's scary "

I have since read up a little about this preventative treatment.... it will be invaluable for partner’s of those that are HIV positive, but it’s also recommended for those who are not monogamous! It will also be available for people who can’t afford treatment! At least that was my understanding of the article!

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