FabSwingers.com forum: Female? TV/TS/CD identify accordingly

By *ohndunboyne OP Man
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

Following from another post earlier and my own regular perving of the New Pics - Women section.

Why do some"women" post as women?

Granted there are some extremely convincing and, I must say, sexy alternatives but if you aren't actually a woman, why classify yourself on here as such?

Ok, I get that you now identify as a woman but if you still have a cock between your legs, sorry but you are not what most guys consider to be a woman, regardless of how you feel yourself.

Why do you not classify yourself as TV/TS/CD etc?

I know, I'll likely get a lot of grief from some for this post and I hold my hand up in not even knowing the difference between a TV and a TS but I think it's a fair question.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

How cute, you think having a penis qualifies you to be a man.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Well john if you're not aware of the difference between cd/TV/TS I recommend to educate yourself as the differences are quite substantial.

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By *ohndunboyne OP Man
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

"How cute, you think having a penis qualifies you to be a man."

Where did I say that?

Or what relevance does it have?

Yes I have a penis and have always identified myself as a man.

Your problem with that is?

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"How cute, you think having a penis qualifies you to be a man.

Where did I say that?

Or what relevance does it have?

Yes I have a penis and have always identified myself as a man.

Your problem with that is?"

Well act like one then?

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By *ohndunboyne OP Man
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

"How cute, you think having a penis qualifies you to be a man.

Where did I say that?

Or what relevance does it have?

Yes I have a penis and have always identified myself as a man.

Your problem with that is?

Well act like one then?

Hopefully you will explain in basic English for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Op i am with you i am not quiet sure i understand the difference either tbh .So i think its a fair question .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following from another post earlier and my own regular perving of the New Pics - Women section.

Why do some"women" post as women?

Granted there are some extremely convincing and, I must say, sexy alternatives but if you aren't actually a woman, why classify yourself on here as such?

Ok, I get that you now identify as a woman but if you still have a cock between your legs, sorry but you are not what most guys consider to be a woman, regardless of how you feel yourself.

Why do you not classify yourself as TV/TS/CD etc?

I know, I'll likely get a lot of grief from some for this post and I hold my hand up in not even knowing the difference between a TV and a TS but I think it's a fair question."

What genitals you have does not dictate your gender,

Gender and sexuality are different things, I don’t think this is the place to air such prehistoric views, you will upset a lot of people who have struggled with gender disphoria.

I would suggest a quick google search and educate yourself

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By *kcoupleCouple
over a year ago

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"I hold my hand up in not even knowing the difference between a TV and a TS but I think it's a fair question."

This statement alone gives the impression that it's a topic you have very little understanding of. Without preaching it's not ourvolace to box people in based on old sexual beliefs or gender labels, what label they choose for yourself is fine but it doesn't make you qualified to hand out clarifications to others. Your job is not to make them feel awkward or ashamed.

It's extremely difficult for anyone in that position yet extremely easy for you to walk on by and not force a label on them that some have spent their entire life trying to shed

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By *exytvlegsTV/TS
over a year ago

North co dublin Ireland

From what I know the 3 types of people who dress 1a cd is dressing in the opposite sex clothes not sexual reason . 2 A tv likes to dress and look as good and fem as the can and there a big sexual part to it and 3 transgender is a woman in a mans body or a man in a woman body. they some time go futher and are a ts live as a man or woman and have a sex change

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By *usietranslutTV/TS
over a year ago

carlow

"Following from another post earlier and my own regular perving of the New Pics - Women section.

Why do some"women" post as women?

Granted there are some extremely convincing and, I must say, sexy alternatives but if you aren't actually a woman, why classify yourself on here as such?

Ok, I get that you now identify as a woman but if you still have a cock between your legs, sorry but you are not what most guys consider to be a woman, regardless of how you feel yourself.

Why do you not classify yourself as TV/TS/CD etc?

I know, I'll likely get a lot of grief from some for this post and I hold my hand up in not even knowing the difference between a TV and a TS but I think it's a fair question."

As George Harrison said: "My Sweet Lord"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As previous posts gave explained gender and sexuality are two different things. Labelling people because of what's between their legs is very easy to do but ignores the reality of being a human being.

But then on fab men often think being a man is all about having a penis.... And I think it's more subtle than that.

If your penis wasnt there anymore through injury would you still be a man?

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

Now I'm just playing devil's advocate here if as people are having a penis doesn't make you a man and having a uterus doesn't make you a woman and it's what you identify as that counts. Then shouldn't all labels be self Identifiable? Am I having been born white be allowed to identify as black or Asian if that's what I feel inside? What if I feel like I identify as my spirit animal can I demand that people respect me as a wolf?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now I'm just playing devil's advocate here if as people are having a penis doesn't make you a man and having a uterus doesn't make you a woman and it's what you identify as that counts. Then shouldn't all labels be self Identifiable? Am I having been born white be allowed to identify as black or Asian if that's what I feel inside? What if I feel like I identify as my spirit animal can I demand that people respect me as a wolf? "

Nice one laid

I was about to get on my soapbox - I definitely identify more as a man than a woman, as my friends often remind me.....i just don't have the normal female psyche

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How cute, you think having a penis qualifies you to be a man."

Em, Yeah?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following from another post earlier and my own regular perving of the New Pics - Women section.

Why do some"women" post as women?

Granted there are some extremely convincing and, I must say, sexy alternatives but if you aren't actually a woman, why classify yourself on here as such?

Ok, I get that you now identify as a woman but if you still have a cock between your legs, sorry but you are not what most guys consider to be a woman, regardless of how you feel yourself.

Why do you not classify yourself as TV/TS/CD etc?

I know, I'll likely get a lot of grief from some for this post and I hold my hand up in not even knowing the difference between a TV and a TS but I think it's a fair question."

I can't say I've ever seen any profile where a man has himself registered as a women on here, or vice versa. But if there are then it's complete bollocks. He can register himself as a tranny or whatever but if he hasn't undergone a sex change then he certainly is not a woman

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of you really need to inform themselves about this topic.

I can’t imagine what it would feel like for a transgender person to read some of these posts.

The suicide risk amongst transgender is very high and it doesn’t surprise me if some of your comments are what they deal with every day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of you really need to inform themselves about this topic.

I can’t imagine what it would feel like for a transgender person to read some of these posts.

The suicide risk amongst transgender is very high and it doesn’t surprise me if some of your comments are what they deal with every day. "

Rather than virtue signalling, how about you tell us what it is we've said that's supposedly wrong?

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

I identify myself as me . I'm in between a TV and a full TS . I don't care what anyone thinks of me.why should I .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of you really need to inform themselves about this topic.

I can’t imagine what it would feel like for a transgender person to read some of these posts.

The suicide risk amongst transgender is very high and it doesn’t surprise me if some of your comments are what they deal with every day.

Rather than virtue signalling, how about you tell us what it is we've said that's supposedly wrong?"

Others have explained this already.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

Be what you want I say

Be yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Be what you want I say

Be yourself "

I am what I am

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some of you really need to inform themselves about this topic.

I can’t imagine what it would feel like for a transgender person to read some of these posts.

The suicide risk amongst transgender is very high and it doesn’t surprise me if some of your comments are what they deal with every day.

Rather than virtue signalling, how about you tell us what it is we've said that's supposedly wrong?

Others have explained this already.

They really havent

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By *verage Joe BlackMan
over a year ago

Border Area

I’m not sure why people are rounding on the OP. He asked a reasonable question in a reasonable way.

For those suggesting “google it”, that seems to be a lazy, stock answer.

Surely Fab is the ideal place to pose such questions as those who identify as TV/TS etc exist on here and so are best placed to help the rest of us understand?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I identify with no one, I'm just greedy

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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago

C'est moi Boudoir

My understanding of it is the following.

CD a man dressing as a woman for the pleasure of wearing the clothes and not trying to look or identify as a woman.

TV a man dressing as a woman for the pleasure and looking as female as possible but only takes on the female role while dressed.

TS/TG (male to female as example)

A man that identifies themselves as female and has made the decision to transition into a female and is female in all aspects of their lives.

Using the word tranny to cover all of the above would be like calling all swingers gay because the partake in group sex. I am sure everyone would be up in arms and highly offended if that was the case.

Madame B

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

"Some of you really need to inform themselves about this topic.

I can’t imagine what it would feel like for a transgender person to read some of these posts.

The suicide risk amongst transgender is very high and it doesn’t surprise me if some of your comments are what they deal with every day. "
before chastising someone may I suggest you check out Ben Shapiro on YouTube he clearly and Succinctly explains the statistics of the transgender suicide rate. It's an eye opener for those who suggest that "bullying" is the main reason for the high suicide rate. The op is allowed his opinion as are all others and as a person with quite a few tg/ts acquaintances a lot of them would in some way agree with some if not all of his sentiments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gender fluidity. Gender non binary. The bisexual spectrum etc. I like all these phrases. I hate putting people in boxes or labeling them. Some of my best female friends have really strong 'male' characteristics, my partner is a man but has very strong 'female' characteristics. Who decides which gender these characteristics 'belong' to.

I have four children, I am raising them as best as I can to not label people to expect a woman to kick ass and be as assertive as a man, and for men to be as kind and nurturing as a woman... My daughters school has two students that identify as transgendered, at ten one of her male friends was able to identify as bisexual. This is the future.

Of course OP is entitled to ask and be informed as to what different categories are. I think the point is more what people identify as.. So a pre op trans woman can identify as a woman.

It might seem trite this entire forum post just people playing devil's advocate but these issues are real for people.. The toilet debate. People are judged because of how they look, butch, femme, when in the end we are all the same inside...everyone is their own version of freakish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following from another post earlier and my own regular perving of the New Pics - Women section.

Why do some"women" post as women?

Granted there are some extremely convincing and, I must say, sexy alternatives but if you aren't actually a woman, why classify yourself on here as such?

Ok, I get that you now identify as a woman but if you still have a cock between your legs, sorry but you are not what most guys consider to be a woman, regardless of how you feel yourself.

Why do you not classify yourself as TV/TS/CD etc?

I know, I'll likely get a lot of grief from some for this post and I hold my hand up in not even knowing the difference between a TV and a TS but I think it's a fair question.

And if he has undergone gender reassignment surgery, is he then a woman?

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

I'll explain again, and it has been fully explained before.

Gender and sexuality develop in the brain independent of your organs. Science agrees that due to estrogen levels a female brain can develop in a male body. This is 100% scientific fact.

Imagine how hard that is, always feeling like a straight woman but having every guy you are ever interested in treat you like a freak or beat you up. That you cant be yourself at the first disco and have to bury everything down and hide everything about every guy you like.

Then we get to a time when science agrees they are in the wrong body and people say "what if i identify as a dolphin?". Well go and scientifically prove that like gender/sexuality has been proven to be in the brain.

As for race, a black man and a white man identify the same. There is no evidence that they process the world differently. The black is simply descriptive of their skin colour and not an indication that they are a different type of man to us. If you're born in Japan youre japanese, africa, african etc.

Sometimes cultures make us act differently. For example an american man and a mexican man will act differently. This is the difference between nurture and nature. So if you want to say you are a man, raised in Ireland but identify as as a man raised in mexican culture, thats a bit strange cause nurture does not work that way, but okay cool, being quirky is okay.

Gender and sexuality are not decided by nurture.

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By *auraLucyLuLuWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

"I'll explain again, and it has been fully explained before.

Gender and sexuality develop in the brain independent of your organs. Science agrees that due to estrogen levels a female brain can develop in a male body. This is 100% scientific fact.

Gender and sexuality are not decided by nurture. "

Very we put and explained..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'll explain again, and it has been fully explained before.

Gender and sexuality develop in the brain independent of your organs. Science agrees that due to estrogen levels a female brain can develop in a male body. This is 100% scientific fact.

Gender and sexuality are not decided by nurture. "

This

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

So gender IS decided by nature? And when we are born the hospital puts down a gender on our birth certs and the decision is made on what genitals are present? Tell me if I'm wrong on that?

I understand that people as the grow may feel different and want to change gender but they where born either male or female by the genitals they where born with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As previous posts gave explained gender and sexuality are two different things. Labelling people because of what's between their legs is very easy to do but ignores the reality of being a human being.

But then on fab men often think being a man is all about having a penis.... And I think it's more subtle than that.

If your penis wasnt there anymore through injury would you still be a man?"

You’d be a very sad man I quite a bit of pain.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

"I'll explain again, and it has been fully explained before.

Gender and sexuality develop in the brain independent of your organs. Science agrees that due to estrogen levels a female brain can develop in a male body. This is 100% scientific fact.

Gender and sexuality are not decided by nurture. "

I am extremely attracted to your brain

(body is quite nice as well

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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago

C'est moi Boudoir

"I'll explain again, and it has been fully explained before.

Gender and sexuality develop in the brain independent of your organs. Science agrees that due to estrogen levels a female brain can develop in a male body. This is 100% scientific fact.

Gender and sexuality are not decided by nurture. "

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

The reason people are now able to change their gender, is not because the governments want to be PC, its because science and doctors agree that sexing someone at birth is an outdated, wrong way to do it, and is more thought of as a biological sex than a gender now.

There is currently no known way to identify a persons gender when born.

Saying a penis makes you a man is like saying love is in your heart. Love is in your brain, your heart and your brain do not communicate at all, and our penis and our brain do not communicate, and ovaries and our brain do not communicate.

Like the men on here that say a penis makes you a man, do you also believe love is in your hearts? seriously?

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

Also, one last thing. People dont change or grow into females. They are born that way. Nothing can change you gay, or female. Once you're born its all fairly set.

It can just seem that they change because they accept who they are and stop hiding it, so to outsiders it looks like they have "changed", however its better to say they have reached a point in their life where they will try show who they really are.

And that's badass, cause its still not accepted and its still gonna be really hard for them, but they are a bunch of badass men/women and are gonna go for it.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

Now you are talking bollox your brain communicates with every part of your body. As for love and the heart? How the feck is a muscle anything to do with an chemical reaction that takes place in the brain. Can you please link me to the research from scientists and Dr that stated there is "nó known way of sexing children at birth" as I'd love to read this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'll explain again, and it has been fully explained before.

Gender and sexuality develop in the brain independent of your organs. Science agrees that due to estrogen levels a female brain can develop in a male body. This is 100% scientific fact.

Gender and sexuality are not decided by nurture. "

Imaging studies and other research suggests that their is a biological basis for transgender identity. The weight of certain studies point towards a biological basis for gender dysphoria. But given the variety of transgender people and the variation in the brains of men and women generally, it will be a long time if ever, before a Doctor can do a brain scan on a child and say "yes" this child is trans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also, one last thing. People dont change or grow into females. They are born that way. Nothing can change you gay, or female. Once you're born its all fairly set.

And that's badass, cause its still not accepted and its still gonna be really hard for them, but they are a bunch of badass men/women and are gonna go for it."

A lot of men who went into the American prison system straight and came out gay, may disagree with your point of view.

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By *uriousChloeTV/TS
over a year ago

Cork City

To those who have post something nice you are awesome! To those who were a little unsure hopefully you have learned something new or gained a little more insight.

I wont go into the difference in tv/ts/tg as i see it. Some on here have done a really good job explaining it.

Labels are unimportant to me yet sometimes people insist on it. In terms of gender, although i see myself as one thing, society will see me as another regardless of anything i can do. Yes it can be a little upsetting but what can you do. I personally am not overly upset if someone says cd/tv/ts (just dont say a man in drag!). But there are a lot of issues that some people may not be aware of. It has been mentioned here but honestly it can be difficult constantly feeling out of place. No matter the company, or even how im dressed i dont quite feel comfortable being me. Depression can occasionally rear its ugly head and yes for some suicide is there in the back of the mind. Understanding can go a long way though. Most people i have met through here are amazingly open minded and i cannot thank them enough for letting me be me.

People who think along the lines of "i identify as a black, asian woman today" really dont get what it actually feels like to have no comfort in your own skin. Constantly hating the way you look and feel. Me personally i am never going to be a manly burly guy, im not overly muscular or tall yet when i dress as who i feel inside, sometimes all i can see is a man in a dress and i hate that. Sometimes i think i have the worst parts of both genders and the mental torture of hating the way are sucks!

Anyway think i got a little sidetracked, OP why does it bother you how some people identify themselves? You dont know what they went through to get to that point. From your sentiment it appears that they are not hiding their past, they are simply saying this is me now. I hope to be that comfortable with myself one day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe some feel “deceived” and uncomfortable after finding out, the person behind the picture they were attracted to, was not originally born in a female body? I don’t know?

Hopefully one day we all feel comfortable to let people just be and not forcing labels on them. Including ourselves.

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By *ohndunboyne OP Man
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

Thanks to everyone who responded. I've learned a few things and that is part of the reason I posted in the first place. Yes, the responses were much better than a Google search, far more enlightened.

Be who you want to be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

I think the crux of the matter is that nobody can tell another person what they should or should not feel/believe therefore nobody can tell a TG/TS person what gender they should feel part of but the flip side of the coin is that nobody can then tell a person who doesn't believe in gender fluidity that a person born as male can be female or vice versa,the simplest solution is to live and let live.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very interesting thread . There is indeed a wide variety of opinion.

I am curious why people always focus on the mtf trans girls as opposed to ftm trans guys.

Leads on the bathroom question.

Should a trans woman be allowed in the ladies bathrooms ? If not then surely a trans guy who still has a vagina should use the female bathrooms no matter how convincing.

What sex bathroom do siamese twins of opposite sex use lol.

The world is changing. Society is changing. Not everyone is as educated on sensitive subjects as those who are living the subject wishes others were.

I have to say I do like listening to Ben Shapiro as I like to challenge my own views. I do find his quoting of science hypocritical when he believes in a supernatural entity that he says himself the rational position is agnosticism.

From research I have seen though the attempted suicide attempts for pre/post op trans people is quite similar..In and around 40% try to commit suicide at some point.

What isn't discussed in those stats is reactions to trans people post op from friends or family who may ostracise them. I hypothesise.there may be a difference in reasoning behind attemted suicides in post op trans people.

Following copy/pasted from scientic american

Some children insist, from the moment they can speak, that they are not the gender indicated by their biological sex. So where does this knowledge reside? And is it possible to discern a genetic or anatomical basis for transgender identity? Exploration of these questions is relatively new, but there is a bit of evidence for a genetic basis. Identical twins are somewhat more likely than fraternal twins to both be trans.

Male and female brains are, on average, slightly different in structure, although there is tremendous individual variability. Several studies have looked for signs that transgender people have brains more similar to their experienced gender. Spanish investigators—led by psychobiologist Antonio Guillamon of the National Distance Education University in Madrid and neuropsychologist Carme Junqu Plaja of the University of Barcelona—used MRI to examine the brains of 24 female-to-males and 18 male-to-females—both before and after treatment with cross-sex hormones. Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender. For example, the female-to-male subjects had relatively thin subcortical areas (these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women). Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.)

“Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn.

Other investigators have looked at sex differences through brain functioning. In a study published in 2014, psychologist Sarah M. Burke of VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam and biologist Julie Bakker of the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience used functional MRI to examine how 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded to androstadienone, an odorous steroid with pheromonelike properties that is known to cause a different response in the hypothalamus of men versus women. They found that the adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded much like peers of their experienced gender. The results were less clear with

Imaging studies and other research suggest that there is a biological basis for transgender identity