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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just seen pic of women and four year old child sleeping on streets tonight in that cold terrible something needs be done about homeless no one should have sleep in the streets although if the mother has family or friends she can stay with but isn't out pride that's been selfish to me little child needs a home

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just seen pic of women and four year old child sleeping on streets tonight in that cold terrible something needs be done about homeless no one should have sleep in the streets although if the mother has family or friends she can stay with but isn't out pride that's been selfish to me little child needs a home

I doubt very much that any parent would sleep on the streets with their child because they are too proud to ask for help

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By *auraLucyLuLuWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

I'm interested to know what are you doing to help with our current homeless crisis?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

How can you have no family and friends to take you in till your back on your feet then surely she has friends and family .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm interested to know what are you doing to help with our current homeless crisis? "
plenty why what are you doing

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By *auraLucyLuLuWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

I'm interested to know what are you doing to help with our current homeless crisis? plenty why what are you doing "

Wow! you're doing plenty... like what?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm interested to know what are you doing to help with our current homeless crisis? plenty why what are you doing

Wow! you're doing plenty... like what? None your business don't have to justify myself to you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How can you have no family and friends to take you in till your back on your feet then surely she has friends and family . "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How can you have no family and friends to take you in till your back on your feet then surely she has friends and family .

You don't know that! Don't make assumptions on her or anyone that's homeless, you don't know their story , if they have family there is a reason they can't go back and I would put money on it, it's nothing to do with pride.... What are you doing to help the homeless? "
once again its none your business what I'm doing and your telling me she cant go to any her family and friends because there's reason she cant go to any them tho suppose she could be drug addict tho shouldn't have child if shes drug addict

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By *auraLucyLuLuWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

I'm interested to know what are you doing to help with our current homeless crisis? plenty why what are you doing

Wow! you're doing plenty... like what? None your business don't have to justify myself to you

Maybe with the "plenty" of things you are doing you could learn a bit of compassion and possibly educate yourself as to why so many are homeless instead of sitting in judgement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How can you have no family and friends to take you in till your back on your feet then surely she has friends and family .

You don't know that! Don't make assumptions on her or anyone that's homeless, you don't know their story , if they have family there is a reason they can't go back and I would put money on it, it's nothing to do with pride.... What are you doing to help the homeless? once again its none your business what I'm doing and your telling me she cant go to any her family and friends because there's reason she cant go to any them tho suppose she could be drug addict tho shouldn't have child if shes drug addict "

No need to get so defensive, I'm only asking as you brought up the topic... Your defensiveness would suggest you're not doing anything

Again you're making an assumption that she's on drugs... Not all homeless people are addicts (shocking

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By *j47Man
over a year ago

limerick

Under no circumstances should a child have to sleep rough but the mother made this decision on the information she has to hand.

The hostels are rougher than the streets

Not straying off topic here but this conversation I feel can not be held in isolation when u see the abuse of the system we have being carried out daily

Career single mothers joining the housing list as soon as they are eligible or pregnant in the knowledge that this is a stepping stone to milk a social welfare system set up to support in time of need the most vulnerable in society.

Before u roast me by the balls I am not talking of the girl that fell pregnant young but still dragged her self trough education got a job and needs assistance. I am talking of those that are third and fourth generation social welfare claimants that upon leaving school fell pregnant and live a life of entitlement without ever having contributed.

I am talking of the girl that has three if not four kids by the same dad but has never had to name him she's not a single mum immaculate conception doesn't happen.

Maybe if some of these questions were asked by our repesentives there would be more to go round and prevent that child and the other children that had to sleep rough last night

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How can you have no family and friends to take you in till your back on your feet then surely she has friends and family .

You don't know that! Don't make assumptions on her or anyone that's homeless, you don't know their story , if they have family there is a reason they can't go back and I would put money on it, it's nothing to do with pride.... What are you doing to help the homeless? once again its none your business what I'm doing and your telling me she cant go to any her family and friends because there's reason she cant go to any them tho suppose she could be drug addict tho shouldn't have child if shes drug addict

No need to get so defensive, I'm only asking as you brought up the topic... Your defensiveness would suggest you're not doing anything

Again you're making an assumption that she's on drugs... Not all homeless people are addicts (shocking

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Maybe it's safer for her and her daughter to be on the streets than to go to family.. Not everyone is lucky to have amazing families that would help, maybe she never had a family, who's to say she hasn't gone from foster home to foster home growing up? There could be a million reasons why she has her little child on the streets with her and your assuming it's either because she is too proud to ask for help or is an addict.. You should never judge or assume to know a person until you have sat down and spoken to them.... "
so she has no friends to turn to then unless your horrible person you have friends to that would help. No you just automatically assumed I don't help out just cause I put this post out doesn't mean I don't do my bit to help out unfortunately I cant afford to house all the homeless which was point of my post

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Under no circumstances should a child have to sleep rough but the mother made this decision on the information she has to hand.

The hostels are rougher than the streets

Not straying off topic here but this conversation I feel can not be held in isolation when u see the abuse of the system we have being carried out daily

I am talking of the girl that has three if not four kids by the same dad but has never had to name him she's not a single mum immaculate conception doesn't happen.

Maybe if some of these questions were asked by our repesentives there would be more to go round and prevent that child and the other children that had to sleep rough last night

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true that you have people saying to house are own homeless before giving foreigners housing because apparently they can get housing very easily when they apply for social welfare not sure how true that is but does seem that way.

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By *j47Man
over a year ago

limerick

"How can you have no family and friends to take you in till your back on your feet then surely she has friends and family .

You don't know that! Don't make assumptions on her or anyone that's homeless, you don't know their story , if they have family there is a reason they can't go back and I would put money on it, it's nothing to do with pride.... What are you doing to help the homeless? once again its none your business what I'm doing and your telling me she cant go to any her family and friends because there's reason she cant go to any them tho suppose she could be drug addict tho shouldn't have child if shes drug addict

No need to get so defensive, I'm only asking as you brought up the topic... Your defensiveness would suggest you're not doing anything

Again you're making an assumption that she's on drugs... Not all homeless people are addicts (shocking

)

Maybe it's safer for her and her daughter to be on the streets than to go to family.. Not everyone is lucky to have amazing families that would help, maybe she never had a family, who's to say she hasn't gone from foster home to foster home growing up? There could be a million reasons why she has her little child on the streets with her and your assuming it's either because she is too proud to ask for help or is an addict.. You should never judge or assume to know a person until you have sat down and spoken to them.... so she has no friends to turn to then unless your horrible person you have friends to that would help. No you just automatically assumed I don't help out just cause I put this post out doesn't mean I don't do my bit to help out unfortunately I cant afford to house all the homeless which was point of my post

Andy take a step back please

There are plenty that are so alone and feeling desperate that they have no friends for thousands of reasons life isn't always a prance trough the meadows with the wind in your hair

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm interested to know what are you doing to help with our current homeless crisis? plenty why what are you doing

Wow! you're doing plenty... like what? None your business don't have to justify myself to you

Maybe with the "plenty" of things you are doing you could learn a bit of compassion and possibly educate yourself as to why so many are homeless instead of sitting in judgement. "
how ignorant of you to tell me to educate myself on it I'm well educated on it actually still no excuses to have four year old child sleeping rough if your parent you should always put your child first

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By *j47Man
over a year ago

limerick

"Under no circumstances should a child have to sleep rough but the mother made this decision on the information she has to hand.

The hostels are rougher than the streets

Not straying off topic here but this conversation I feel can not be held in isolation when u see the abuse of the system we have being carried out daily

I am talking of the girl that has three if not four kids by the same dad but has never had to name him she's not a single mum immaculate conception doesn't happen.

Maybe if some of these questions were asked by our repesentives there would be more to go round and prevent that child and the other children that had to sleep rough last night

true that you have people saying to house are own homeless before giving foreigners housing because apparently they can get housing very easily when they apply for social welfare not sure how true that is but does seem that way. "

I don't know where u read that in what I said it wasn't even a thought in my head when I wrote my post

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How can you have no family and friends to take you in till your back on your feet then surely she has friends and family .

You don't know that! Don't make assumptions on her or anyone that's homeless, you don't know their story , if they have family there is a reason they can't go back and I would put money on it, it's nothing to do with pride.... What are you doing to help the homeless? once again its none your business what I'm doing and your telling me she cant go to any her family and friends because there's reason she cant go to any them tho suppose she could be drug addict tho shouldn't have child if shes drug addict

No need to get so defensive, I'm only asking as you brought up the topic... Your defensiveness would suggest you're not doing anything

Again you're making an assumption that she's on drugs... Not all homeless people are addicts (shocking

)

Maybe it's safer for her and her daughter to be on the streets than to go to family.. Not everyone is lucky to have amazing families that would help, maybe she never had a family, who's to say she hasn't gone from foster home to foster home growing up? There could be a million reasons why she has her little child on the streets with her and your assuming it's either because she is too proud to ask for help or is an addict.. You should never judge or assume to know a person until you have sat down and spoken to them.... so she has no friends to turn to then unless your horrible person you have friends to that would help. No you just automatically assumed I don't help out just cause I put this post out doesn't mean I don't do my bit to help out unfortunately I cant afford to house all the homeless which was point of my post

Andy take a step back please

There are plenty that are so alone and feeling desperate that they have no friends for thousands of reasons life isn't always a prance trough the meadows with the wind in your hair

I think u highlighted a fair point and there's loads of avenues to discuss it without having getting into mud slinging.we can't all be out trying to help the homeless someone has to work to pay taxes to provide the services that are needed to help those less fortunate "
fair point that mate thinking about it now they could lost contact with friends over the years etc . Do hate seen kids sleeping in the streets do be surprised to see quite few homeless with kids with them thought be taking off them as they clearly cant look after them least till they get back on there feet sounds heartless that but least kids have roof over there head till there parent or parents can get help they need to get them back on there feet.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Under no circumstances should a child have to sleep rough but the mother made this decision on the information she has to hand.

The hostels are rougher than the streets

Not straying off topic here but this conversation I feel can not be held in isolation when u see the abuse of the system we have being carried out daily

I am talking of the girl that has three if not four kids by the same dad but has never had to name him she's not a single mum immaculate conception doesn't happen.

Maybe if some of these questions were asked by our repesentives there would be more to go round and prevent that child and the other children that had to sleep rough last night

I don't know where u read that in what I said it wasn't even a thought in my head when I wrote my post "
I know just thought of it sorry can be random sometimes lol. But I do get your point as well.

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By *j47Man
over a year ago

limerick

" Do hate seen kids sleeping in the streets do be surprised to see quite few homeless with kids with them thought be taking off them as they clearly cant look after them least till they get back on there feet sounds heartless that but least kids have roof over there head till there parent or parents can get help they need to get them back on there feet. "

Think we being down that road before the state has learnt the family unit no matter how dysfunctional should be preserved but we should be able to support that unit

Putting kids in care doesn't lend itself to a right solution all the time Yes there is a need but more times support is what's needed

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Think we being down that road before the state has learnt the family unit no matter how dysfunctional should be preserved but we should be able to support that unit

Putting kids in care doesn't lend itself to a right solution all the time Yes there is a need but more times support is what's needed"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It sad to see the defensive and attacking comments on such an important societal issue.

In the south your legislation is quite different concerning ours in the north surrounding homeless and for that there are different reasons many fall into this heart renching situation as was described in the OP.

There is alot that is being done by many fabbers to help, but there's alot more.

It discuses me reading some of the above and clearly shows a lack of compassion and ignorance to the real issues. It would be more helpful if rather than mud sling to make helpful suggestions for ways that others can consider getting involved to help those in this situation.

1. Find out what is being done locally

2. Whose involved ( better working with others than individually).

3. As yourself what you can do? ( Some are comfortable to get along side with the homeless others aren't but might later on)

4. Lobby your local councillors.

5. Raise public awareness to the issue locally and get a friend or two involved with you.

6. Find out their story. Each is unique to them as to how and why they are where they are. Often not their own making. This will soften people's attitude towards those who suggested.

Hope this helps the lurkers reading this post too.

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By *auraLucyLuLuWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

I'm interested to know what are you doing to help with our current homeless crisis? plenty why what are you doing

Wow! you're doing plenty... like what? None your business don't have to justify myself to you

Maybe with the "plenty" of things you are doing you could learn a bit of compassion and possibly educate yourself as to why so many are homeless instead of sitting in judgement. how ignorant of you to tell me to educate myself on it I'm well educated on it actually still no excuses to have four year old child sleeping rough if your parent you should always put your child first

I think my point of your "education on the subject" has been proved judging from your above posts, but hopefully now you are a little more educated on it and will have a better understanding of it and possibly show a bit more compassion on the subject.

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By *iktikiCouple
over a year ago

cork

"How can you have no family and friends to take you in till your back on your feet then surely she has friends and family . "

Your looking at her problem from your perspective not hers

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By *longshottMan
over a year ago

Limerick

As you post in this forum just remember the world is governed now by what you should say and not what you can say. With this attitude in mind is it actually possible to solve problems or just make it look like we are.

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By *longshottMan
over a year ago

Limerick

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

There was an interesting show on the box the other night about the Syrian refugees in Ballaghadreen,Roscommon.

On the show they were being told they would be housed as soon as possible when they were frustrated at being in the hotel.

I thought the show was badly timed due the current homeless crisis.

Not knocking refugees or there needs just thought it seemed bad taste when so many Irish are struggling

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By *odernLoveDublinMan
over a year ago

dublin

Seen the photo you are talking about ( Im pretty sure), it has a KFC in the background? With a sensationalist headline about Irish homelessness...well it wasnt taken in Ireland!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How can you have no family and friends to take you in till your back on your feet then surely she has friends and family .

You don't know that! Don't make assumptions on her or anyone that's homeless, you don't know their story , if

they have family there is a reason they can't go back and I would put money on it, it's nothing to do with pride.... What are you doing to help the homeless? "

Well said! Nobody knows their background! Maybe they have no family or friends! Don't be so judgemental!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seen the pic its not ireland it was taking in france. Shame on any goverment that allows children to sleep on the streets

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By *oserMan
over a year ago

where the wild roses grow

"There was an interesting show on the box the other night about the Syrian refugees in Ballaghadreen,Roscommon.

On the show they were being told they would be housed as soon as possible when they were frustrated at being in the hotel.

I thought the show was badly timed due the current homeless crisis.

Not knocking refugees or there needs just thought it seemed bad taste when so many Irish are struggling"

Have to be honest here, while I appreciate and understand the need to take in refugees, I for the life of me can't understand how we cannot sort out our own domestic issues 1st.

Yes it appears we take better care of "refugees " ahead of our own and in some cases thats true and Yes

There are many reasons for some folk being homeless. And Yes its complex!

BUT people are fooking dying!!!!

Its a problem we should be trying to solve !!

And without the many voluntary organizations and ordinary joe soaps (of which I am one) we would be in an awful lot worse condition I can tell you.

WTF are the people we put in charge doing?

Bar sitting around tables having discussions about what to do next (iv been invited to one or two of these tea parties) then setting up task forces who in turn have meetings about what to do next...

VERY LITTLE

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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago

C'est moi Boudoir

Think we being down that road before the state has learnt the family unit no matter how dysfunctional should be preserved but we should be able to support that unit

Putting kids in care doesn't lend itself to a right solution all the time Yes there is a need but more times support is what's needed"

And there is another part of our societies system that needs fixing...foster care system is broken on many levels due to many reasons, like the homeless situation, there is no simple solution. As mentioned above though, working on a local community level is the way forward I think. If everyone was involved in their localities welfare in all aspects you would have a very strong community based country.

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By *oserMan
over a year ago

where the wild roses grow

Think we being down that road before the state has learnt the family unit no matter how dysfunctional should be preserved but we should be able to support that unit

Putting kids in care doesn't lend itself to a right solution all the time Yes there is a need but more times support is what's needed

To a point I agree, but if Im reading you right you still want the volunteers to sort it out?

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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago

C'est moi Boudoir

Think we being down that road before the state has learnt the family unit no matter how dysfunctional should be preserved but we should be able to support that unit

Putting kids in care doesn't lend itself to a right solution all the time Yes there is a need but more times support is what's needed

To a point I agree, but if Im reading you right you still want the volunteers to sort it out? "

Everyone, not just volunteers. Local representatives, councils, residents and those that are experiencing difficulty. All onboard trying to resolve local community issues in each area would be the strength of it.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

I knew one guy personally who lived rough in the UK, he was self employed with a nice lifestyle but suffered a serious head injury which changed his persona completely. He turned to drink and his wife put him out and eventually his parents put him out, he was offered as much help but due to his head injury and alcoholism he died on a park bench.

There are a multitude of reasons for homelessness but when it comes down to the simple fact of having no where to turn then the government have failed.

If we get to keep the Apple tax windfall every penny should be invested in 100% social housing not affordable housing etc

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

1) Ireland shouldn't get the apple tax money. Technically Apple did nothing wrong. Apple pay more tax in Ireland than they would in UK or France. The big countries are forcing the issue to try steal some of Irelands business.

2) Irelands social house problems are not apples, intels, or googles fault. They are the problem of the Irish government being led by very prominent globalization players. They are known to attend bilderberg meetings etc.

See both far sides of the argument are toxic. All people from abroad out, and lets help everyone from abroad.

Russia makes money through nationalism, protecting its people and their jobs.

America makes money from eroding nationalism, culture and pride in an area and making everyone a mix of workers with no tie to the area.

The Irish government has face paced data center building, and green park building, but cant figure out how to build some houses for people.

Of course its easy to fix, so why don't they? They want to force everyone with a sense of being from "dublin" out, the more that leave the more freedom they have. They are turning a blind eye to slums all over the place, with 20 - 40 people per house, each paying 100 a week.

The average single guy or girl in Dublin cant afford that, they move further away from Dublin.

It's just that simple if you ask me, they dont mind people being homeless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does fab charge extra for commas and full stops?

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over a year ago

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By *uckthemWoman
over a year ago

kildare

"Under no circumstances should a child have to sleep rough but the mother made this decision on the information she has to hand.

The hostels are rougher than the streets

Not straying off topic here but this conversation I feel can not be held in isolation when u see the abuse of the system we have being carried out daily

I am talking of the girl that has three if not four kids by the same dad but has never had to name him she's not a single mum immaculate conception doesn't happen.

Maybe if some of these questions were asked by our repesentives there would be more to go round and prevent that child and the other children that had to sleep rough last night

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u are so right!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does fab charge extra for commas and full stops? "

Brilliant!

Jesus wept!

I for one,am sick and tired of the glut of recent unintelligible and sensationalist forum posts.

Looking for attention.

Please try to string together a decent topic or sentence. With commas, and full stops.

Cheers

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

Regardless of whether Apple should or shouldn't pay X amount of tax, if we get to keep the sum mentioned in the papers it should be put to use to solve major problems.

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By *kcoupleCouple
over a year ago

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While I agree that no child or adult should ever have to spend a night on the street I have to point out that the story and photo you are probably talking about is fake from an irish perspective and clickbait. The at architecture is certainly not that of an irish street and the smaller signs look like those used in France.

It's easy to get really annoyed with the homeless situation but we should all be very careful about what we take as fact from Facebook

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By *ombikerMan
over a year ago

the right side of the river

What's this about, they should have family that they could say with.???

I don't, if I was in that situation I would have nowhere.

Also I have worked all my life so I would not have the first clue where to go or how to "play the system"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Does fab charge extra for commas and full stops?

Brilliant!

Jesus wept!

I for one,am sick and tired of the glut of recent unintelligible and sensationalist forum posts.

Looking for attention.

Please try to string together a decent topic or sentence. With commas, and full stops.

Cheers

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don't read them then

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