FabSwingers.com forum: Women who won't meet/aren't interested in bisexual men, what's your reasoning?

By *pringing OP Man
over a year ago

North Circular Road

I don't think I'd classify myself as bi. Had a couple of experiences with guys in the past, good and bad, but it was mainly to satisfy a curiosity and it kind of just assured me that I'm happiest with women. I still see the appeal though, and I'm usually open to bi fun when it comes to threesomes, but that's kind of as far as it goes.

But more and more I've noticed, both in real life and online, that a lot of women have major hesitations about dating or fucking bisexual men. I've heard plenty of rationalizations for these feelings, some of them fairly baffling, but I wanted to hear the fab women's side of the story since "no bi guys" tends to pop up on a fair few profiles. What's the issue? Why does it matter?

This thread will probably end up containing a few prejudices and generalisations and other hurtful things but I realise that romantic and sexual attraction are often not rational. Let's try not to take anything too personally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know why either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I secretly lol to myself when I come across these profiles who are verified by guys who are bi.

I openly seek bi guys. Much more fun in mmf situations.

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By *exygirl17Woman
over a year ago

cork kerry

"I secretly lol to myself when I come across these profiles who are verified by guys who are bi.

I openly seek bi guys. Much more fun in mmf situations. "

100% agree with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I secretly lol to myself when I come across these profiles who are verified by guys who are bi.

I openly seek bi guys. Much more fun in mmf situations. "

Totally agree

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By *aughtyTippcplCouple
over a year ago

Nearby

Have no problem with bi guys

Just haven't actually met up with any on our "travels"

Niall is 100% straight though so if we ever did there wouldn't be any fun on Niall's side for him

Tina

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bi/Bi-Curious guys definitely have an edge - I'm a fan, go on the lads

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I secretly lol to myself when I come across these profiles who are verified by guys who are bi.

I openly seek bi guys. Much more fun in mmf situations. "

Wish there were more girls like you on Fab its a wet dream to meet a sexy Bi couple but no luck yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think I'd classify myself as bi. Had a couple of experiences with guys in the past, good and bad, but it was mainly to satisfy a curiosity and it kind of just assured me that I'm happiest with women. I still see the appeal though, and I'm usually open to bi fun when it comes to threesomes, but that's kind of as far as it goes.

Same as me more like girls but would love to try a Bi MMF but no women in to it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love playing with two hot bi guys who are into each other as well. What's not to like?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wouldnt put me off a lad just cos he was bi

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

I've no issues with bi guys either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a perception that bi men are less safe than any other category, and I guess inasmuch as they play with more types of people, ie men, women, TV/ts, it's sort of true. But that perception assumes that these men aren't playing safe, and are possibly more likely to indulge in unsafe practices, and I don't think that's fair or right. We all have a responsibility to ourselves to protect ourselves from infection and disease, and we have a responsibility to each other to play safe and be regularly checked. Outside of that, it's probably a matter of personal preference. I'd never actively sought bi men until one crossed my path, but to me he was a man who happened to be bi, rather than a bi man, if that makes sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dunno why they wouldn't like bi guys. On the other hand I'm sure guys would love to meet bi women and I doubt many have listed no bi women mail them lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is a perception that bi men are less safe than any other category, and I guess inasmuch as they play with more types of people, ie men, women, TV/ts, it's sort of true. But that perception assumes that these men aren't playing safe, and are possibly more likely to indulge in unsafe practices, and I don't think that's fair or right. We all have a responsibility to ourselves to protect ourselves from infection and disease, and we have a responsibility to each other to play safe and be regularly checked. Outside of that, it's probably a matter of personal preference. I'd never actively sought bi men until one crossed my path, but to me he was a man who happened to be bi, rather than a bi man, if that makes sense. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I came across a man who wouldn't fuck any women who had been with a bi lad. Go figure, he tried to rationalise it but I couldn't understand his reasoning

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By *exyDownUnderWoman
over a year ago

Westmeath

"Love playing with two hot bi guys who are into each other as well. What's not to like?!"

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone and profile here has a prefrence to who they like to meet and how they like their fun.if we all the same and met the same people

It would get boring .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Genuine Bi guys are safe as you can get. As in they will get tested more regular then straight guys.

Now as we call them fab straight guys. This breed of dishonest scum I wouldn't touch with a bargepole. Disease carrying scroats who I totally understand why women won't go near bi guys. They give a bad rep to the msm community

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get quite a lot of mail from guys, bi, fab straight, part of a couple guys ( alledgedly) and genuine couples seeking bi experience as well as tv/ts. In my experience which is not documented on my profile, I find genuine couples and tv/ts to be the most respectful, and the most conscientious of safe sex play of which is paramount to me.I hear the ladies on fab describe the nuisance mails they receive on a daily basis, when I go from a bi guy to putting on a pair of knickers the messages increase tenfold, a lot quite scary if you were to indulge in some of the suggested practises. As one lady pointed out their is a perception and at times a stigma around increased risk with what some people will assume that their is increased sexual partners, this is not so in my case, and every person irregardless of their sexuality must take personal responsibility when it comes to sexual health.

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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago

north cork

Whats not to like!

Way more fun with two bi guys!

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By *hocoholicWoman
over a year ago

The big D

I enjoy my bi-mmf fun. It's a hot sight seeing a guy sucking another off plus i never feel overwhelmed knowing I can share the pressure of satisfying my meets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Genuine Bi guys are safe as you can get. As in they will get tested more regular then straight guys.

And as a lady said earlier in the thread I do have a giggle to myself at these profiles (verified by guys who I personally have played with and are bi) who refuse to meet biguys knowing that these guys are bi!

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By *tranTV/TS
over a year ago

City

Bi-guys are statistically more likely to have a disease. If a straight girl, who just wants sex with a straight guy wants to reduce her risks of std then why not rule them out.

Closet people are more likely to engage in unsafe sex. The reason for this is they dont bring along protection as that would make them looking for sex and gay, but if it just happens then they are not gay. I know it sounds wierd but it's just the way it is.

An out bi person is more likely to take a risk with a "straight" guy, as they see the straight guy as low risk and might let them go bareback, where they would never let a gay guy go bareback.

I mean "straight" as in a bi guy in the closet, not a straight guy being adventerous and experementing, they usually want a girl there and its all safe.

From personal experience, I have only been with a handfull of guys and 90% of them tried bareback.

I can understand girls not wanting me because of it, as I am a slightly higher risk.

If you ever are with someone like me, use protection, and if the person like me tries bareback, just wank over their face instead and leave. Sometimes all a girl wants is a nice hot cock wanking over her face, and sometimes its all a guy wants too

Its just not worth the risk to have bareback these days.

Stay safe.

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By *tranTV/TS
over a year ago

City

"Genuine Bi guys are safe as you can get. As in they will get tested more regular then straight guys.

I don't see what's funny about it. Why cant they respect the girls no? why lie to get around it? gives me the creeps that they are telling me lies too.

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By * dubzMan
over a year ago

sth Dublin

Let's see how many change there profile now after all great post on this thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bi-guys are statistically more likely to have a disease. If a straight girl, who just wants sex with a straight guy wants to reduce her risks of std then why not rule them out.

An out bi person is more likely to take a risk with a "straight" guy, as they see the straight guy as low risk and might let them go bareback, where they would never let a gay guy go bareback.

I mean "straight" as in a bi guy in the closet, not a straight guy being adventerous and experementing, they usually want a girl there and its all safe.

From personal experience, I have only been with a handfull of guys and 90% of them tried bareback.

I can understand girls not wanting me because of it, as I am a slightly higher risk.

Its just not worth the risk to have bareback these days.

Stay safe."

Very well put, thank you.

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By *alwaygirlpWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

A bi mmf is one of the things I have yet to do and to me it's extremely hot. Bi guys are definitely not a turnoff for me and probably even more of a turn on if I'm honest. There are a lot of straight guys I've met that are curious but they feel bicurious will make meeting even more difficult than it is already.

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By *hloe sussexTV/TS
over a year ago

Larne

Most so called straight guys that msg me when I say why haven't you got bisexual on they profile ,they say I don't want to put woman of ,most woman I know love it ,it's just an excuse for the guys not to be honest about there own sexuality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh we love our bi fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's see how many change there profile now after all great post on this thread

Won't be changing mine. Lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No problem with bi guys at all. But let me offer an opinion to the OP...

In report after report bi/gay men appear to top the "most at risk" & "Show highest levels of transmission" when it comes to STI's. So if a male straight couple are looking for a guy for fun, it appears they may be taking more risk than necessary if they choose a bi guy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No problem with bi guys at all. But let me offer an opinion to the OP...

83% of sti diagnosed come from the bi/gay community

The reason?

The poop chute is more likely to be damaged during sex ergo infection is near certain to spread from one to the other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No problem with bi guys at all. But let me offer an opinion to the OP...

83% of sti diagnosed come from the bi/gay community

The reason?

The poop chute is more likely to be damaged during sex ergo infection is near certain to spread from one to the other. "

I didn't know that. Thank you. LUUUUUBE!

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By *icklowhornMan
over a year ago

Dublin Wicklow

Being bi seems to be a major issue with ladies as far as I can see also. From reading this post I'm a little more enthusiastic that I might get to meet a nice lady or couple soon so, fingers crossed

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

I am not comfortable with it, as already mentioned the risks are a lot higher and to be honest i dont feel comfortable being undressed in front of a bi guy.

I wonder do straight women feel the same way in a mff with a bi lady?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've very much noticed the reluctance to engage and chat with bi guys. which I believe is limiting outlook and or opportunity for pleasure.

Personally I enjoy bi interaction and 3 or moresomes, but i actually have limited to no attraction towards a men, other than the persuit of heightened pleasure.

I can understand it difficult for those not in a similar frame of mind to understand.

If its a fear or risk of STI reason I think that's a tad overstated and not the reality.

Similarly if its a fear of me trying to jump the man of a couple that's also unfair and not the reality. Boundary's are a major part of this site independent of sex or sexuality. They should be respected regardless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't meet bi guys, I did have it on my profile but found I was getting alot of messages asking why, so I took it off. It's a personal preference the same as any other, I'm not attracted to guys who meet men. Also for me the safety aspect of it is not worth the risk. It's the guys that lie about it drive me mad it's basically taking away someone's choice of what they are comfortable with or who they will/won't meet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The mouth is the thing that transmits more STIS than anything according to NISH (who also have a profile on here with information) and my clinic.

According to stats given above which I can only assume are more subjective than objective, as a straight guy I must be very unusual as I take my sexual health vrry seriously and get tested about every 10 weeks if I'm meeting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NISH?

National institute for speech and hearing.

I'd really want sti advice from them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm assuming your flippant remark hopefully doesn't reflect how you view on your sexual health and others you meet in any way. Anyway II'll leave it to you to find out what it's about.... the subject matter might give a small clue..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I secretly lol to myself when I come across these profiles who are verified by guys who are bi.

I openly seek bi guys. Much more fun in mmf situations.

Totally agree

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I'm here xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hey folks! Genuine bi guy here. Look it's folks personal preference as to the sexuality of folk they meet. I got one at always open to bi fun. Now ladies and couples of you need that third guy in here! Totally genuine. Totally clean and discreet. Come on ladies let's share that cock lol xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am not comfortable with it, as already mentioned the risks are a lot higher and to be honest i dont feel comfortable being undressed in front of a bi guy.

I wonder do straight women feel the same way in a mff with a bi lady?

Going by what you are saying, bi men must be unable to control themselves once another naked guy is around. By that statement are you unable to control yourself once a naked woman is around. Are you unable to keep your hands off her? Are you going to jump on her purely because she is undressed? Of course not, so don't assume that a bi guy is going to perv or jump on you because you are undressed.

Juicy

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By *tranTV/TS
over a year ago

City

"It's the guys that lie about it drive me mad it's basically taking away someone's choice of what they are comfortable with or who they will/won't meet."

I agree, it's one thing for a straight guy who has had adventerous thoughts putting their sexuality as straight, or even people in the closet putting their sexuality as straight.

So to me if a girl has said no bi guys and a bi guy has sex with her anyway, then she has not consented to sex with him. The law would agree that she has not consented to sex with him.

I don't know how anyone could find that funny. A bi guy in the closet breaking womens consent?

I think if people were open, more women would accept bi guys.

My profile is set up to let curious guys know that they can message me and I wont ruin their lives by outing them. Most men read it to mean I am a bareback cumbucket that they can cheat on their girlfriend with. I get hundreds of messages like that.

Anyway be safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm assuming your flippant remark hopefully doesn't reflect how you view on your sexual health and others you meet in any way. Anyway II'll leave it to you to find out what it's about.... the subject matter might give a small clue..

Oh I understand how various different STI's are transmitted. Have actually studied in depth and authored an academic paper on the spread of HIV.

And if I refer to a source I am also capable of getting it right

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"I am not comfortable with it, as already mentioned the risks are a lot higher and to be honest i dont feel comfortable being undressed in front of a bi guy.

I wonder do straight women feel the same way in a mff with a bi lady?

Juicy "
I am not assuming anything, I said I was uncomfortable and I am not alone in this. I know plenty of male halfs that would feel the same way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personal preference. They might not like the idea of picturing their primce charming for the night with a guy. It could be a total turn off to some straight girls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my opinion, for what that's worth, it can just be another case of labels being detrimental and feeding an already generalised stigma. Emphasis on the possibility of it as I know people have their own reasons for their preferences, it would be equally as unfair to generalise that everyone who doesn't wish to meet bisexual men are 'scared' or unfair.

I understand that it's a preference much like anything else but I think, again in some cases, that said preference can be born through ill-informed or preconceived judgements.

With regards to any increased risk in a person's sexual health, be it yourself or the person you're meeting, it's up to you to take the relevant precautions that you're comfortbale with. That obviously extends to all sexualities, if you're concerned about your health you wouldn't only take protective measures with certain people.

Whether someone you're meeting may have been deceitful as to who they have met or perhaps you feel they've been deceitful to themselves, that's a potential matter of honesty. More so a personal concern similar to a person not being how they old they say are rather than a greater risk to your sexual health, that again is always in your own hands.

I can certainly understand not wishing to meet a person because they've lied to you or because you feel they're being dishonest. I do feel, however, it can be a grey area in terms of who they've meet or how they view themselves with regards to their sexuality and their 'honesty'.

For example, if I had on my profile that I was bi-curious and decided to meet another guy only to decide after the fact that it wasn't something I enjoyed, that I was no longer 'curious'. Surely I am entitled to revert my profile back to straight? Would that experience render me dishonest or would I fall into some people's definition of bisexual, of whom they don't wish to meet?

Personally, I think it would be interesting to not have sexual orientation on a profile, as that one aspect in it's black and white type form can stir too many unfair notions as well as leaving little room for expansion; it's too definitive, both to the person and when helping form a decision on the person, having them label themselves.

Again, I don't wish for any of this to sound altogether dismissive of a person's own preference, not at all. I do feel, however, that such instances as this can be a murky, grey area. Ultimately, we can only take a person at face value and be sure to look after ourselves rather than the 'what ifs' that may concern someone else.

As for being in the company of bisexual men, naked or not, I'm assured by the 'National Association for the Prevention of Ghey' that if I don't make eye contact, shake their hand, or laugh at their jokes that I'll be OK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In my opinion, for what that's worth, it can just be another case of labels being detrimental and feeding an already generalised stigma. Emphasis on the possibility of it as I know people have their own reasons for their preferences, it would be equally as unfair to generalise that everyone who doesn't wish to meet bisexual men are 'scared' or unfair.

I understand that it's a preference much like anything else but I think, again in some cases, that said preference can be born through ill-informed or preconceived judgements.

Must say someone hit you with a lot of common sense when you were younger. A great post from someone so young

King

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By *icklowhornMan
over a year ago

Dublin Wicklow

I don't want to scare the bejesus out of the ladies who won't meet bi men on here, but there are a hell a lot of lads on here with "straight" on their profiles that contact bi lads looking for action. I know I'm not on my own being contacted by them. You'd be very surprised with the amount & from looking at their profiles you wouldn't think it, so be very careful ladies is all I'll say.

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By *pringing OP Man
over a year ago

North Circular Road

Definitely a pleasant surprise to see so many women here so supportive of the whole notion, but I have to have to say speaking to women in real life about it has usually yielded much less encouraging responses.

I'm not sure how much I buy the STI argument. Bi/gay men may well be more likely to be carrying an STI, statistically, but I don't understand how this should present any more problems than if you were interested in a hetero person. Shouldn't you be screening all of your potential partners? Everyone should be getting tested. And not everyone is as promiscuous as the statistics might suggest.

"I don't meet bi guys, I did have it on my profile but found I was getting alot of messages asking why, so I took it off. It's a personal preference the same as any other, I'm not attracted to guys who meet men."

Sorry to single you out corklass but can I ask why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe we should start a support group!!!

Or maybe just one big meet to satisfy curioysitys and desires!!

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By *razy-CplCouple
over a year ago

and surrounding areas

"Maybe we should start a support group!!!

Or maybe just one big meet to satisfy curioysitys and desires!!"

We enjoy meeting other bi / bi curious cpls , the fun ya can have is amazing , i love it , but pity lots are far up country , let ye be know fellow bi cpls so we can seek ye out

Mrs crazy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why should it matter why?! Personal preference of the woman in question which should be respected ver batum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I prefer straight guys and thats my choice. If im in bed with someone i dont need to to think about them fucking a man or being fucked. Its just not what i like sexually. Ive no issues im not homophobic i just prefer straight men. Sexual diseases didnt even cross my mind. As im always safe anyways.

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By *eltic CplCouple
over a year ago

Kildare

Just personal choice on our behalf , same as people have different boundaries , this would be a boring place if we all had the same interests

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely a pleasant surprise to see so many women here so supportive of the whole notion, but I have to have to say speaking to women in real life about it has usually yielded much less encouraging responses.

Sorry to single you out corklass but can I ask why?"

I just feel no attraction for men who who also have sex with other men..it doesn't me turn on

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By *tranTV/TS
over a year ago

City

But there are gay/bi/tv/ts people on here who have HIV-positive status on their profile, so of course there is added risk.

I know I am at a higher risk of catching HIV than a straight lad. Bi/Gay people can't pretend its not a problem. My risk is still low, im not likely to catch it, but its still 10 times higher than a straight guy.

I should add on the right medication HIV positive people are not likely to spread the disease.

There is also the fact that a girl might just get turned off by the idea of a guy playing with a cock or being feminine. Nothing wrong with that either.

There are a few girls who seem willing to accept the risk, play safe and get turned on by bi guys. Some would find it hot to see me stroke a guys cock as I suck his balls. Others wouldn't.

There is no reason to trick people, or pretend there is no risk, or to force people to like everything.

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By *ineapple_PrincessWoman
over a year ago

in the waves

"But there are gay/bi/tv/ts people on here who have HIV-positive status on their profile, so of course there is added risk.

I should add on the right medication HIV positive people are not likely to spread the disease.

There is also the fact that a girl might just get turned off by the idea of a guy playing with a cock or being feminine. Nothing wrong with that either.

There are a few girls who seem willing to accept the risk, play safe and get turned on by bi guys. Some would find it hot to see me stroke a guys cock as I suck his balls. Others wouldn't.

There is no reason to trick people, or pretend there is no risk, or to force people to like everything."

Well said.

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By *atieglamTV/TS
over a year ago

south

"I get quite a lot of mail from guys, bi, fab straight, part of a couple guys ( alledgedly) and genuine couples seeking bi experience as well as tv/ts. In my experience which is not documented on my profile, I find genuine couples and tv/ts to be the most respectful, and the most conscientious of safe sex play of which is paramount to me.I hear the ladies on fab describe the nuisance mails they receive on a daily basis, when I go from a bi guy to putting on a pair of knickers the messages increase tenfold, a lot quite scary if you were to indulge in some of the suggested practises. As one lady pointed out their is a perception and at times a stigma around increased risk with what some people will assume that their is increased sexual partners, this is not so in my case, and every person irregardless of their sexuality must take personal responsibility when it comes to sexual health."

Agree as a very safe ickle tranny.xx even covered bjs yikes.

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By *r MacmullyMan
over a year ago

Tarbert

I think that that's there choose by I also think that they are selling themselves short too.

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By *pringing OP Man
over a year ago

North Circular Road

Right well now it's getting more interesting.

The main issue (presumed health risk aside) seem to be that some of you don't get turned on by the idea of your man having sex with other men, but I don't see why this should even factor into it. Is it required of all your partners that all of their interests and past exploits line up entirely with your own fantasies? I'd find that hard to believe, so I'm wondering why gay sex is deal-breakingly off-putting. Those acts don't even remotely involve you.

Someone else mentioned that they don't like to think of their men in a feminine light but isn't that a bit insulting? Seems sort of outdated to consider sucking cock or any homosexual act an inherently feminine thing.

As for respecting and not questioning people's sexual preference, sure, but I think there's an underlying stream of homophobia in the "gay sex is gross" line of reasoning, however minor, and it's worth talking about. Or at least thinking about why you feel that way.

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By *outhlad82Man
over a year ago

Southampton

Judging by the many positive replies from the many gorgeous Irish girls on this thread looks like I need to take a trip across the water !! I would luv to join in a bi mmf mmmf,,, if anyone's seeking a bi male to join feel free to contact me ! :p

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"Right well now it's getting more interesting.

So we are homophobic because we have different preferences? I think not..the world would be a very boring place if we all fancied the same type or wanted the same things

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over a year ago

Why do some Bi men want to meet women/couples that don't wish to meet Bi men?

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over a year ago

North Circular Road

"So we are homophobic because we have different preferences? I think not..the world would be a very boring place if we all fancied the same type or wanted the same things

You don't have to be turned on by it, but why be so averse to something that cannot possibly affect you as a woman? When you fuck a bisexual man there is nothing gay taking place. Why does it matter?

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over a year ago

Go on then, tell us how we're homophobic by not wanting to risk more than necessary when inviting another guy on board.

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over a year ago

"So we are homophobic because we have different preferences? I think not..the world would be a very boring place if we all fancied the same type or wanted the same things

You don't have to be turned on by it, but why be so averse to something that cannot possibly affect you as a woman? When you fuck a bisexual man there is nothing gay taking place. Why does it matter?"

Some women don't like facial hair on men, does that make them homophobic too? Strewth!

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over a year ago

"So we are homophobic because we have different preferences? I think not..the world would be a very boring place if we all fancied the same type or wanted the same things

I don't get what you don't understand about it tbh.I feel no attraction to a man who is also attracted to men. For me it's a turn off. Simple. Its not homophobia it's personal choice. You asked our opinions/views on it, we gave them

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over a year ago

South Dublin Area

I am sure a lot of women find it a turn off as well, they are just not bothered replying here cause it doesnt affect them.

I am not really sure you are gonna get the answer you are looking for.

Some people just dont like it..

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over a year ago

"I am sure a lot of women find it a turn off as well, they are just not bothered replying here cause it doesnt affect them.

I am not really sure you are gonna get the answer you are looking for.

Some people just dont like it..

Don't like it fine

But a lot do so focusing on the negative side is quite wrong IMHO.

Our views are plain to see on this thread. Statistics show msm have a higher rate of infection. But remember a condom only protects so much. A lot of viruses will pass through very quickly and in women leave no symptoms. But the bi guy is the dirty bastard even though he may get tested every 3 months

Some biphobia kicking in with some of the posts on this thread

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over a year ago

Folks let's look at the positive folk on her seeking bi fun. Don't think anyone meant any harm! Cock?

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over a year ago

North Circular Road

"Go on then, tell us how we're homophobic by not wanting to risk more than necessary when inviting another guy on board."

I'd have thought you'd screen all of the guys you invite on board. Beyond that it's really a matter of trust and honesty, and painting all men who've been sexually intimate with other men as promiscuous as unsafe is a fairly prejudiced line of thinking, whichever way you slice it.

"Some women don't like facial hair on men, does that make them homophobic too? Strewth!"

Wait what? Struggling to see the correlation here.

"I don't get what you don't understand about it tbh.I feel no attraction to a man who is also attracted to men. For me it's a turn off. Simple. Its not homophobia it's personal choice. You asked our opinions/views on it, we gave them"

I'd just love to know why it's a deal-breaker. When it doesn't actually affect you at all. You don't have to answer me but surely you can understand it might be puzzling to some people.

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over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"I am sure a lot of women find it a turn off as well, they are just not bothered replying here cause it doesnt affect them.

I am not really sure you are gonna get the answer you are looking for.

Some people just dont like it..

Don't like it fine

But a lot do so focusing on the negative side is quite wrong IMHO.

Some biphobia kicking in with some of the posts on this thread "

What Biphobia are you talking about? I dont see any. Can you point it out to me so that I understand because I really dont see it. Thank you

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over a year ago

What Biphobia are you talking about? I dont see any. Can you point it out to me so that I understand because I really dont see it. Thank you

You said earlier that you would be uncomfortable naked around a bisexual man

Fear or discomfort = phobia

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over a year ago

South Dublin Area

What Biphobia are you talking about? I dont see any. Can you point it out to me so that I understand because I really dont see it. Thank you

You said earlier that you would be uncomfortable naked around a bisexual man

Fear or discomfort = phobia

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discomfort is a phobia really???

A phobia = an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

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over a year ago

"Go on then, tell us how we're homophobic by not wanting to risk more than necessary when inviting another guy on board.

I didn't paint anyone, I told you about the general concensus. If experts tell me I can swim with both Dolphins & sharks but the sharks are more likely to bite me, I'll probably choose the dolphins.

Some women don't like facial hair on men, does that make them homophobic too? Strewth!

Wait what? Struggling to see the correlation here."

The point I'm trying to make is that it's just a choice for some. Just because you don't want to meet a bi-guy doesn't mean you have to be 'against' bi's.

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over a year ago

What Biphobia are you talking about? I dont see any. Can you point it out to me so that I understand because I really dont see it. Thank you

You said earlier that you would be uncomfortable naked around a bisexual man

Fear or discomfort = phobia

discomfort is a phobia really???

A phobia = an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something."

It's irrational thinking that a bi bottom would somehow force himself onto you

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over a year ago

South Dublin Area

What Biphobia are you talking about? I dont see any. Can you point it out to me so that I understand because I really dont see it. Thank you

You said earlier that you would be uncomfortable naked around a bisexual man

Fear or discomfort = phobia

discomfort is a phobia really???

A phobia = an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

It's irrational thinking that a bi bottom would somehow force himself onto you

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Well now, let me tell you a story and Gemma can verify this. When we started this adventure before Christmas we were in a kik chat with a bunch of peeps and their was a bi guy in it. He kept, saying things like "How do you know you dont like it?" Or "I can tell by you that you are curious" he hadnt even met me at this stage but had seen our profile and liked the look of us. Gemma had to tell him to stop as he was being pushy and i didnt want to hurt his feelings. He was having a bit of fun but still he should have quit when I wasn't entertaining it but he didnt. One minor uncomfortable experience can affect you like that even though obviously it was probably a once off.

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By *pringing OP Man
over a year ago

North Circular Road

"I didn't paint anyone, I told you about the general concensus. If experts tell me I can swim with both Dolphins & sharks but the sharks are more likely to bite me, I'll probably choose the dolphins."

It being the general consensus doesn't making it any less prejudicial if we're talking about individual people. And again, why wouldn't you require all of your potential playmates to be tested before fucking them? Seems like a no-brainer.

I don't think using analogies that associate homosexual behaviour with violent predators is helping anyone. It's not a fair comparison.

"The point I'm trying to make is that it's just a choice for some. Just because you don't want to meet a bi-guy doesn't mean you have to be 'against' bi's. "

Right but you implied a relationship between the two (facial hair and bisexuality), which makes no sense for the point you're trying to make. But yes I agree that not wanting to meet a bi guy doesn't necessarly make you anti-bi, but it's a little more muddled than just a harmless sexual preference.

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over a year ago

Few posts deleted I see

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By *avy8931Man
over a year ago

ballymena

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By *penyoureyes2722Woman
over a year ago

Belfast

I love bi guys, been far too long since my last bi mmf. I really must sort that out

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By *armel and FrancisCouple
over a year ago

North wex

From my experience a lot of women tend not to engage once they realise I'm bi. The reality is my bisexuality is a lifestyle choice, not a perquisite. Ironically I only do sensual bi play in group situations (mmf and mmff) where everyone is comfortable with it and only if it turns on the lady/ladies watching. Respect of all present is the key, but please don't judge on a simple lifestyle choice when it's only a tiny part of someone. Fran xxx

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over a year ago

North Circular Road

"I am not really sure you are gonna get the answer you are looking for."

Something more thorough or informative than "it's just my preference" would've been nice but yeah. I don't think anyone's interested in expanding on that, this probably isn't going anywhere.

"Few posts deleted I see

Noticed that too.

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over a year ago

What I find hilarious, if their main concern is the safety factor, it that a good number of these people that are against bi men/women as partners, but perfectly happy with having either anal and/or bareback sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bi guys gimme a ladyboner

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By *armel and FrancisCouple
over a year ago

North wex

"Bi guys gimme a ladyboner

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By *eanontiWoman
over a year ago

Limerick

You are asked when you donate blood, not to donate if you've been with a bisexual male, or a man that has sex with a prostitute, etc.......

I personally would prefer to know BEFORE we had sex instead of finding out afterwards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it's not what women or couples are looking for why go there simple exclamation i think ?

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over a year ago

I changed my profile for that reason that couples and some women don't seem to like the "bi" bit there again another's seem to be ok with it..met a few bi couples couple of years ago of another site it was good now I'm.kinda hooked on the idea

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over a year ago

"I changed my profile for that reason that couples and some women don't seem to like the "bi" bit there again another's seem to be ok with it..met a few bi couples couple of years ago of another site it was good now I'm.kinda hooked on the idea"

So you are lying on your profile

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By *lavemale66Man
over a year ago

Carlow

"From my experience a lot of women tend not to engage once they realise I'm bi. The reality is my bisexuality is a lifestyle choice, not a perquisite. Ironically I only do sensual bi play in group situations (mmf and mmff) where everyone is comfortable with it and only if it turns on the lady/ladies watching. Respect of all present is the key, but please don't judge on a simple lifestyle choice when it's only a tiny part of someone. Fran xxx"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pardon?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love guys who are bi. Very hard to find them. It's only when you meet them and chat they will say they are bi.

Afraid to put it on their profiles as they won't get meets.

Never deny who you are and what you want.

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By *reokinkMan
over a year ago

London

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By *reokinkMan
over a year ago

London

Interesting conversation. As a safety conscious male that discovered his bi side through cuckolding couples when single just a few years ago. I have sat on both sides of the fence.

My take on this is to remember not to take things personally. To me swinging is about having fun and no one should be forced to feel like they have to go down a path they don't think they will enjoy. If a woman or couple doesn't want to meet my GF and me. I don't waste my time worrying if there reasoning is down to sexual preference, well reasoned pragmatic caution or laughably warped fear due to prejudice. Either way we won't have enough in common to enjoy each others company sexually anyway.

This is a swinging site and in my dream of a swinging utopia everyone would feel free to be honest and open about their desires and not feel a need to be quite so elusive......if only lol

I have no doubt that the number of so called bicurious women on this site is greatly exaggerated ( especially in couples profiles) just as the number of men being open about their bi side is hidden. Both for the purpose of creating a positive spin to attract people. Such a shame. When I discovered my bi side I felt a great sense of freedom so I embraced it. For every door that closed another opened.

As a foot note, everyone here should be taking precautions regardless of what peoples profiles do or don't say about their sexual orientation. Not to do so is an exercise in self delusion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't want to scare the bejesus out of the ladies who won't meet bi men on here, but there are a hell a lot of lads on here with "straight" on their profiles that contact bi lads looking for action. I know I'm not on my own being contacted by them. You'd be very surprised with the amount & from looking at their profiles you wouldn't think it, so be very careful ladies is all I'll say. "

In my eyes they're really bi-curious/bi-guys pretending to be straight so as to increase their chances of meeting and not straight at all. Most seem to have profiles on fabguys too if other recent forum posts are to be believed.

We all in some way or other try to increase our chances on here, some less scrupulous than others. To try and pretend you're straight when you're not as many have said is deceptive.

The question that arises immediately is, if being deceptive on such an important issue that effects those you intent to meet what other things are they willing to hide too? It's worrying for everyone and impacts everyone not just those they meet but those who meet their meets too.

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over a year ago

We just assume that most people here are lying through their teeth about something and take whatever steps we feel are necessary to protect ourselves on that basis.

We have no idea what someone may have contracted, regardless of their sexuality, therefore it is irrelevant to us.

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By *rish HorseMan
over a year ago

Newry / Armagh

As an openly single bi male I think it fair to say everyone has a personal choice/ preference. But one thing that gets me is a couple who clearly state they would not meet a bi male and think it is disgusting but it is ok for the female of the relationship to be bi. I think this is def a double standard. I have met some great people over the years on the site who were interested in Bi lads and some who were not interested and found most to be polite and genuine which I totally respect but on the other hand I have chatted with people from the site who have been obusive as to my preference ( one of which actually posted in this thread). I think it fair to say from my experience as a single bi male and from being on the site just because I am bi it doesn't mean I fancy every man that walks or that I want to sleep with them. So men ur save enough

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By *unnitoesWoman
over a year ago

Belfast

Good question OP...interestingly I have seen a male profile where it's stated that he won't meet ladies who meet or have met bi men...wonder why that would be?

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By *iWonder89Man
over a year ago

Killester

I've been turned down a lot due to me being bisexual. obviously most women don't give details as to why but when they do its usually because they believe that because I'm bisexual, I must be promiscuous and riddled with STI's (for the record I've never had an STI). There was one occasion where the woman was of that belief that bisexuality didn't exist, she believed that bi man are actually gay and just can't deal with it, she said that she didn't want to be a part of my internalised homophobia.

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By *llie and ApplesCouple
over a year ago

where ever

Reading a few forums of late, when did the liberal folk become so aggressive....?

If you don't share an opinion it doesn't make you bad or wrong...

Why should we express what is currently perceived to be the politically correct answer to everything ...when it's not for us?

I believe the only time you shouldn't express an opinion on a subject is if you have no argument to substantiate it...

Ollie...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good question OP...interestingly I have seen a male profile where it's stated that he won't meet ladies who meet or have met bi men...wonder why that would be?

I've seen many ladies who state the same as in won'tmeet bi guys or guys who play with ladies who have met biguys. I guess it's their personal choice maybe do do with health issues as has been suggested by other posters on here. It's probably a more common choice than what many think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women don't like bi men they think there gay

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over a year ago

I always thought it was because bi guys are seen as less manly in a woman's eyes at some primal level.

I agree the safety argument is tenuous at best as many here do bareback or are involved in piss up group parties where the safety standards may slip a bit (did he change the Johnny or double dip, women sucking multiple guys at once etc. ). Ultimately in any case you don't know what anyone could have and should always use condoms carefully and be mindful of where love juices on hands and tongues end up

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over a year ago

"Everyone and profile here has a prefrence to who they like to meet and how they like their fun.if we all the same and met the same people

It would get boring ."
some dont accept that..

Im one of those women that doesn't find bi men for them. Rightly or wrongly it puts me off... nothing to do with safety but just the idea of it is a turn off for me.

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over a year ago

I don't know how anyone could find that funny. A bi guy in the closet breaking womens consent?

I don't think it works that way.....

If I say I do t want to meet women over 45 years of age but willingly in the moment allow a 46 year old who has rounded down to fuck me senseless I could hardly call that a breach of consent and go to town in court.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are a few in this thread who are are usually the first to "applaud" all forms of pride, equality etc. but seem to harbour a bit of bias against it here

It's easy to say all the politically correct things but talk is cheap.

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over a year ago

"No problem with bi guys at all. But let me offer an opinion to the OP...

Where would swingers feature in such a report relative to the general population

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over a year ago

"No problem with bi guys at all. But let me offer an opinion to the OP...

Where would swingers feature in such a report relative to the general population "

We would all be f@#£ed and not in a fab way!

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By *unnitoesWoman
over a year ago

Belfast

"Good question OP...interestingly I have seen a male profile where it's stated that he won't meet ladies who meet or have met bi men...wonder why that would be?

Ah ok....it was your previous profile that I read it on....as I'm sure you discovered it it almost impossible to know who has met whom when veri's aren't displayed therefore you're trusting the word of the lady....that's equally as dangerous

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over a year ago

"Everyone and profile here has a prefrence to who they like to meet and how they like their fun.if we all the same and met the same people

It would get boring . some dont accept that..

Im one of those women that doesn't find bi men for them. Rightly or wrongly it puts me off... nothing to do with safety but just the idea of it is a turn off for me. "

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By *pringing OP Man
over a year ago

North Circular Road

"No problem with bi guys at all. But let me offer an opinion to the OP...

Where would swingers feature in such a report relative to the general population "

Pretty much nailed it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And it further asks the question if it's a greater function of promiscuity or the sexual acts undertaken

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

Had a woman reject me after spotting I was bi. Her reason was she had children. I was a tad offended

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By *eltic CplCouple
over a year ago

Kildare

"Everyone and profile here has a prefrence to who they like to meet and how they like their fun.if we all the same and met the same people

It would get boring . some dont accept that..

Im one of those women that doesn't find bi men for them. Rightly or wrongly it puts me off... nothing to do with safety but just the idea of it is a turn off for me.

We are exactly the same , its just personal choice , nothing personal against others, for us its like eating dinner would you eat something you dont like to please others.

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By *unnitoesWoman
over a year ago

Belfast

Is a single bi male only bi on Fab or does he lead a 'real' life enjoying both sexes?

Is a married bi man on Fab to get male meets or does his wife know the score and accepts it?

Lots of grey areas around bi sexualitity... of all genders may I add..

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over a year ago

North Circular Road

"Everyone and profile here has a prefrence to who they like to meet and how they like their fun.if we all the same and met the same people

It would get boring . some dont accept that..

Im one of those women that doesn't find bi men for them. Rightly or wrongly it puts me off... nothing to do with safety but just the idea of it is a turn off for me.

We are exactly the same , its just personal choice , nothing personal against others, for us its like eating dinner would you eat something you dont like to please others."

The reason this gives me pause and feels frustrating is because it doesn't really affect you at all. It's not a physical attribute, it's not a kink they're forcing on you, it's nothing that really has any bearing on the sex you have with each other. It shouldn't be so hard to elaborate on this even a little bit beyond "it's just a personal choice" or "it's a turn off" but virtually no one here has been able to so far.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keep arguing, you'll make us change our minds eventually...

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By *eltic CplCouple
over a year ago

Kildare

"Everyone and profile here has a prefrence to who they like to meet and how they like their fun.if we all the same and met the same people

It would get boring . some dont accept that..

Im one of those women that doesn't find bi men for them. Rightly or wrongly it puts me off... nothing to do with safety but just the idea of it is a turn off for me.

We are exactly the same , its just personal choice , nothing personal against others, for us its like eating dinner would you eat something you dont like to please others.

We are on here purely for fun and for us fun means something we like doing for us , so we will never entertain doing something we wouldn't enjoy .

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By *pringing OP Man
over a year ago

North Circular Road

"Keep arguing, you'll make us change our minds eventually...

Not what I'm trying to do, just want to open up the discussion a bit more. There's no malice here, if it bothers you this much you're under no obligation to keep checking in on us, you know?

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over a year ago

North Circular Road

"Everyone and profile here has a prefrence to who they like to meet and how they like their fun.if we all the same and met the same people

It would get boring . some dont accept that..

Im one of those women that doesn't find bi men for them. Rightly or wrongly it puts me off... nothing to do with safety but just the idea of it is a turn off for me.

We are exactly the same , its just personal choice , nothing personal against others, for us its like eating dinner would you eat something you dont like to please others.

We are on here purely for fun and for us fun means something we like doing for us , so we will never entertain doing something we wouldn't enjoy ."

I suppose the question is directed more towards single women rather than couples looking for a threesome. Someone above mentioned it's not like every bi guy is looking to pounce on every naked guy they see, but I get why things might get a bit more complicated in that situation.

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over a year ago

"Everyone and profile here has a prefrence to who they like to meet and how they like their fun.if we all the same and met the same people

It would get boring . some dont accept that..

Im one of those women that doesn't find bi men for them. Rightly or wrongly it puts me off... nothing to do with safety but just the idea of it is a turn off for me.

We are exactly the same , its just personal choice , nothing personal against others, for us its like eating dinner would you eat something you dont like to please others.

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over a year ago

"Keep arguing, you'll make us change our minds eventually...

Not what I'm trying to do, just want to open up the discussion a bit more. There's no malice here, if it bothers you this much you're under no obligation to keep checking in on us, you know?"

You're so right.

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By *tranTV/TS
over a year ago

City

"Where would swingers feature in such a report relative to the general population "

You don't know? The HSPC print all the facts of how everyone gets their std.

In 2014, LGV (a type of chlamydia entered Ireland for first time, it only infected men having sex with men).

In 2015/2016 the rate of notifications for HIV was double what it was in 2009.

In 2016 mr gay ireland came out admitting he had hiv, and admitted he didnt know what it was before he caught it.

Straight women on here are highest of catching a disease if they have sex with a black man or a bi man. This is due to Ireland black population being mainly first generation from areas with HIV and they bring it in with them, and bi men are higher risk.

The highest risk in Ireland is sub saharan men.

Second Highest risk is bi/gay men, its close between them.

Third highest risk is bi/gay women.

then fourth is straight men/women who engage in "risky" behaviour, ie sleeping around.

then you have the general public.

So if a woman comes on here and has sex with a proven straight guy, her risks are tiny.

If she has sex with a bi guy, her risks multiply by ten.

If she has sex with a bi woman, her risks are about 6 or 7 higher.

If she has sex with a tran, her risks are again roughly just about 10 times.

if she has sex with a black man born abroad her risks would be like 11.

Fully out gay and bi guys who talk to you and know about risks/protection are not likely to infect you at all. If they dont know about risks or protection, then they are much higher risk.

The people who refuse sex with me of std concerns are not trying to have 0 risk in their life, they are trying to limit to below a 4 or 5 if they can.

To put it in persepective, the risks are so low anyway that 10 times the risk is still very very low. However its a personal choice and we should respect it.

However if a girl says she wont be with a bi guy, and will be with a bi girl, then she is talking nonsense, the risks are not that far away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

However if a girl says she wont be with a bi guy, and will be with a bi girl, then she is talking nonsense, the risks are not that far away.

Really you should speak to your gum clinic as women on women is one of the least risky sexual acts you can engage on. Also it is a much lower tranmission rate from women to women and even women to men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

However if a girl says she wont be with a bi guy, and will be with a bi girl, then she is talking nonsense, the risks are not that far away.

Let's not forget the risk of sharing sex toys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting conversation. As a safety conscious male that discovered his bi side through cuckolding couples when single just a few years ago. I have sat on both sides of the fence.

This is a swinging site and in my dream of a swinging utopia everyone would feel free to be honest and open about their desires and not feel a need to be quite so elusive......if only lol

As a foot note, everyone here should be taking precautions regardless of what peoples profiles do or don't say about their sexual orientation. Not to do so is an exercise in self delusion."

Excellent well put post!!!

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By *ienDePlusCouple
over a year ago

dublin

Some people aren't attracted to other ethnic groups - it dosent make them racist even though some of them may be racists.

Some people aren't attracted to other nationalities - it dosent make them xenophobic even though some of them may be xenophobes

Some people aren't attracted to people with tattoos - it dosent make them cultural snobs even though some of them may be cultural snobs.

The OP's problem is that he has devised a false 'Rawlsian position' - a veil of ignorance - where he says 'what does it matter to you if I'm 'not' bi when fucking just you'. But it isn't a position of ignorance true - she does know your sexuality and on some level it removes her lust. But he can't accept that - she MUST be a homophobe and think he has AIDS,

But you know.. The truth is much simpler.... Like everyone who hasn't got laid because they're the wrong race, nationality, hair colour, body shape, age, education... Tough.

Stop policing people's sexual preferences and you might find they'll support you in yours.

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By *eltic CplCouple
over a year ago

Kildare

"Some people aren't attracted to other ethnic groups - it dosent make them racist even though some of them may be racists.

Some people aren't attracted to other nationalities - it dosent make them xenophobic even though some of them may be xenophobes

Some people aren't attracted to people with tattoos - it dosent make them cultural snobs even though some of them may be cultural snobs.

But you know.. The truth is much simpler.... Like everyone who hasn't got laid because they're the wrong race, nationality, hair colour, body shape, age, education... Tough.

Stop policing people's sexual preferences and you might find they'll support you in yours. "

Totally agree with you, what happened to having personal choice respected ??

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By *pringing OP Man
over a year ago

North Circular Road

"Some people aren't attracted to other ethnic groups - it dosent make them racist even though some of them may be racists.

Some people aren't attracted to other nationalities - it dosent make them xenophobic even though some of them may be xenophobes

Some people aren't attracted to people with tattoos - it dosent make them cultural snobs even though some of them may be cultural snobs.

But you know.. The truth is much simpler.... Like everyone who hasn't got laid because they're the wrong race, nationality, hair colour, body shape, age, education... Tough.

Stop policing people's sexual preferences and you might find they'll support you in yours. "

Nah you're saddling me with a much more dogmatic viewpoint than I've actually expressed. And I never claimed to be impartial or ignorant, so you can throw that false Rawlsian shite out the window, as nice as it sounds.

If you happen to fall into any of those "wrong" categories there's nothing wrong with probing and asking why, at least on a forum like this. And if you really feel like your sexual preferences are being "policed" here, I don't know what to tell you other than maybe just toughen up. You're not under attack.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some people aren't attracted to other ethnic groups - it dosent make them racist even though some of them may be racists.

Some people aren't attracted to other nationalities - it dosent make them xenophobic even though some of them may be xenophobes

Some people aren't attracted to people with tattoos - it dosent make them cultural snobs even though some of them may be cultural snobs.

But you know.. The truth is much simpler.... Like everyone who hasn't got laid because they're the wrong race, nationality, hair colour, body shape, age, education... Tough.

Stop policing people's sexual preferences and you might find they'll support you in yours. "

Beautifully put.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This has been an enlightening G thread.

To conclude which is the more acceptable answer folks?

A) not for me/us because I'm playing the disease odds

B) not for me/us simply because it's a turn off/not a turn on?

I'll make a side note that one of these answers would logically lead to people who have met black people being ostracised in the same vein based on the data from n-tran (thanks by the way)

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over a year ago

I'll correct my note above to sub-saharan men based on the "data" while I'll be sure to check later.

N-tran on your point about fully out gay/bi men who know the risks being negligible risk. Where does that come from or is it conjecture?

If anything it sounds like fab should promote sex education a bit better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

However if a girl says she wont be with a bi guy, and will be with a bi girl, then she is talking nonsense, the risks are not that far away.

Let's not forget the risk of sharing sex toys

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actually if condoms are used for toys correctly then the risk from fingers or people moving from one pussy orally to the next makes it a higher risk. But again still not a high risk.

My choices for me is I dont find bi men attractive sexually... once I know it flips a switch and its a no go. X

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By *pringing OP Man
over a year ago

North Circular Road

"This has been an enlightening G thread.

To conclude which is the more acceptable answer folks?

A) not for me/us because I'm playing the disease odds

B) not for me/us simply because it's a turn off/not a turn on?

I'll make a side note that one of these answers would logically lead to people who have met black people being ostracised in the same vein based on the data from n-tran (thanks by the way) "

I can only speak for myself, but I feel like the first one speaks to deeper issues of trust and honesty and feels kind of flimsy.

I suppose the second is more understandable in the sense that some people just have an irrational aversion to certain things that can be hard to explain or justify. I don't want to preach to anyone what they should and shouldn't find attractive, but it's not at all unreasonable to ask "why". I would've loved to see the discussion go a bit deeper but it's almost like people feel slighted over being asked to elaborate beyond "it's my personal preference please respect that".

In that spirit here's a question:

Is a bi man a turn-off because you think their masculinity has been compromised?

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By *etergemmaCouple
over a year ago

South Dublin Area

"Some people aren't attracted to other ethnic groups - it dosent make them racist even though some of them may be racists.

Some people aren't attracted to other nationalities - it dosent make them xenophobic even though some of them may be xenophobes

Some people aren't attracted to people with tattoos - it dosent make them cultural snobs even though some of them may be cultural snobs.

But you know.. The truth is much simpler.... Like everyone who hasn't got laid because they're the wrong race, nationality, hair colour, body shape, age, education... Tough.

Stop policing people's sexual preferences and you might find they'll support you in yours. "

Nailed it, could not have been put better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is a bi man a turn-off because you think their masculinity has been compromised?"
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Might be worth a new thread to dig into it. That was the answer I imagined all along.

There is some fascinating data from dating apps that show that people say one thing (pc) but act another way on many of these issues.

We are less enlightened and more primal than we aspire to be.

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By *rs Pink PantherWoman
over a year ago

The Darkest Side

Never been something I've ever considered... wouldn't rule it out completely as I've always remained open-minded though in the nicest way possible two men playing have never been a turn on for me I prefer women playing... though I never say never and obviously I can still if I ever chose have a one on one situation.

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By *harisajidanWoman
over a year ago

london

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What would make me cautious about bi guys is : I might not be able to please them 100% as I might not have all the equipment they need. I ve had experience before with guys who identified as straight but clearly liked guys (and maybe liked guys more than girls), and I think those guys were uncomfortable about their interest in men, and I think they thought eureka I fancy this woman - I mdefinirely straight. Then when it got down to it, sexually those guys really wanted something else. So uncomfortably bi guys I ld be uncomfortable with.

Bi guys that are open and know exactly what they like and want I ld be more on for. but again I suppose if they have a very colorful sexual history, I might think that they ld be too much hard work as the straight vanilla stuff might not be enough for them.

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over a year ago

"What would make me cautious about bi guys is : I might not be able to please them 100% as I might not have all the equipment they need. I ve had experience before with guys who identified as straight but clearly liked guys (and maybe liked guys more than girls), and I think those guys were uncomfortable about their interest in men, and I think they thought eureka I fancy this woman - I mdefinirely straight. Then when it got down to it, sexually those guys really wanted something else. So uncomfortably bi guys I ld be uncomfortable with.

You raise a good point, how comfortable are people in their own skin with their sexuality? I personally believe if people cant or wont accept their sexuality they are setting themselves and other people up for potentially serious consequences from their behaviour. I have been amazed at how some people who struggle with their sexuality, can become so self destructive, which in turn creates so much difficulty for other people and just re-enforces the stigma already surrounding the issue. On another note, how much bi-curious attraction and behaviour does it take to make a person bisexual? If your in a long term relationship do you stop being bisexual and become straight or gay depending on the gender of your partner which you eluded to..

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By *laymates30Couple
over a year ago

The West

Pretty interesting discussion ... swingers, in my experience, tend to be very conservative when it comes to sexual preference.

Bi-sexual males are almost taboo - especially at parties, you never see male bi-play. Yet bi-female play is totally encouraged. Most female profiles on fab are bi-curious (at least) - compared to the very small percentage of bi-curious males. guess old stigmas die hard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pretty interesting discussion ... swingers, in my experience, tend to be very conservative when it comes to sexual preference.

I often wondered what that whole bi-curious scene is about, I mean, after a couple of years are you not a bit clearer with your preferences. I think some women wear it like a designer handbag that suits the occasion

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

If a guy has sex with another guy, then he is gay, he is a higher risk of std, and he will fuck anything.

If a guy gets sick, he is a baby for showing the symptoms.

If a guy dances, he is a big raging homo.

If a guy loses his job, he is not unlucky, he is a loser who did not work hard enough.

God forbid a guy cries.

life wasn't made for men to coast through.

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By *laymates30Couple
over a year ago

The West

and how many profiles on fab have " Mr plays 100% straight". Like even giving away 1% will completely destroy their masculinity.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

"I often wondered what that whole bi-curious scene is about, I mean, after a couple of years are you not a bit clearer with your preferences. I think some women wear it like a designer handbag that suits the occasion

I go through bi-curious phases. What it means is, I take a look at your profile, see the photo of the cream running down your cock and think "that's a nice cock, I wonder what it would be lick to lick the cream back up the shaft"

But then I get on with my day. For me a bisexual person is someone who would be happy to go on a date to the beach, holding hands with another guy, kiss him, and be happy dating that guy, or dating a woman..

If you just wanna have a bit of frisky fun in a bedroom now and again, I would consider you curious. You're just curious about specific sexual fantasies and nothing more.

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over a year ago

If you just wanna have a bit of frisky fun in a bedroom now and again, I would consider you curious. You're just curious about specific sexual fantasies and nothing more."

I think that's a really good way of putting it.

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By *assionfruitfunCouple
over a year ago

Dublin

Having only 4 labels in Fab to categorise the full breadth of sexualities is always going to be too limited. People's preferences and boundaries can change with context, time, experience and the people they play with so I would not put too much weight in the label or judge someone based on the the one they chose to display.

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