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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

are you one of the free speech brigade or do you watch your p's and q's always?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I usually just watch my f's. They cover almost every situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary


"She'll be round to offer shut up sweets soon "
i have told her I don't like them so she won't bother

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Free speech is often misunderstood and frequently used by boors to be rude to people they disagree with.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use - Soren Kierkegaard

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use - Soren Kierkegaard"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there is a lot of suppression in terms speaking freely, saying it as it is and no sugar coat issues to maintain political correctness!

People are too easily offended especially when they are confronted with the true hence we all in one way or another watch our p's and q's unless you are Katie Hopkins of course although sugar does causes way more problems than cigarettes

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Freedom of speech is about being able to voice your political and/or religious opinions without retaliation from the government. Provided they fall within the law (slander/incitement to violence etc.)

Ive never come across anyone whose freedom of speech has been violated.

What I have come across are the very thin skinned who "are just being honest" but will throw a temper tantrum if someones honest about them.

The "anti political correctness" crowd are a strange group. Studies show that racists/sexists/whatever actually think that the overwhelming number of people agree with them but are too scared to say it. So they blame political correctness...but obviously if the majority agreed with them there'd be no pressure to keep quiet about it. Its not that long ago that women and non-whites were openly discriminated against.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Freedom of speech once you don't cause harm or offence to others. That's not just my opinion that's how it is worded in the declaration of human rights

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use - Soren Kierkegaard"

I like this very much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Freedom of speech once you don't cause harm or offence to others. That's not just my opinion that's how it is worded in the declaration of human rights

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Pity people didn't follow this! Having said that what constitutes offence nowadays can be laughable at times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Freedom of speech is about being able to voice your political and/or religious opinions without retaliation from the government. Provided they fall within the law (slander/incitement to violence etc.)

Ive never come across anyone whose freedom of speech has been violated.

What I have come across are the very thin skinned who "are just being honest" but will throw a temper tantrum if someones honest about them.

The "anti political correctness" crowd are a strange group. Studies show that racists/sexists/whatever actually think that the overwhelming number of people agree with them but are too scared to say it. So they blame political correctness...but obviously if the majority agreed with them there'd be no pressure to keep quiet about it. Its not that long ago that women and non-whites were openly discriminated against."

I would be very interested to read those studies, sometimes "the system" of society is the one putting the pressure actually most of the time in my opinion, general public are a bit like sheep they will follow in which ever direction the shepherd lead them without using their own thought process. (Not implying everyone is a sheep) or ratios or majority/minority we all suffer from this at times

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"Freedom of speech once you don't cause harm or offence to others. That's not just my opinion that's how it is worded in the declaration of human rights

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Then it's not freedom of speech.

If someone gets offended by something someone else says then that's their own problem.

You don't have the right to not be offended.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Freedom of speech once you don't cause harm or offence to others. That's not just my opinion that's how it is worded in the declaration of human rights

Pity people didn't follow this! Having said that what constitutes offence nowadays can be laughable at times. "

Yes it is something I take major umbrage with.

If you try to drown out the message of others because you are so fragile (and offended) that you lack the intellectual humility to listen to a conflicting opinion and call it political "correctness" then you are failing on many levels.

I'm talking directly about the behaviour of feminist "thinkers" in American academia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've reached an age of "reckless exaggeration" but thankfully "sunlight is the best disinfectant" and debate is the tool to see who is right or wrong in the "free market of ideas".

It's a shame one of these extremists was afraid to cast sunlight on his weak ideas here recently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We've reached an age of "reckless exaggeration" but thankfully "sunlight is the best disinfectant" and debate is the tool to see who is right or wrong in the "free market of ideas".

It's a shame one of these extremists was afraid to cast sunlight on his weak ideas here recently. "
You sound a little bitter there chief

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah, I'm over it

Seriously though... Isn't talking about it the best solution?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nah, I'm over it

Seriously though... Isn't talking about it the best solution?

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Talking is only the best solution if the ears are as open as the mouths

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"Nah, I'm over it

Seriously though... Isn't talking about it the best solution?

Talking is only the best solution if the ears are as open as the mouths"

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Does the right to free speech (which doesn't exist in Ireland or UK) extend as far as shouting FIRE in a crowded theatre?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does the right to free speech (which doesn't exist in Ireland or UK) extend as far as shouting FIRE in a crowded theatre?"

If there is actually one, or you genuinely think there is..

Otherwise you're just a Muppet likely to go down for reckless endangerment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We plead the 5th

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are massive fans of good grammar & spelling. That shit is sexy, implies intelligence and patience. Charm and wit are also essential requirements with us too

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin

https://xkcd.com/1357/

That sums up my thoughts on this issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"https://xkcd.com/1357/

That sums up my thoughts on this issue."

Do you agree that speakers should be blocked by angry mobs even if the other half of the audience wants to hear the talk?

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"https://xkcd.com/1357/

That sums up my thoughts on this issue.

Do you agree that speakers should be blocked by angry mobs even if the other half of the audience wants to hear the talk? "

What are they speaking about?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does it matter?

In principle, hypothetically

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"Does it matter?

In principle, hypothetically "

It matters very much.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Does the right to free speech (which doesn't exist in Ireland or UK) extend as far as shouting FIRE in a crowded theatre?

If there is actually one, or you genuinely think there is..

Otherwise you're just a Muppet likely to go down for reckless endangerment."

Ok, I'll try to reframe the question, what if someone is claiming the right of free speech to incite violence or widespread civil unrest?

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"Does the right to free speech (which doesn't exist in Ireland or UK) extend as far as shouting FIRE in a crowded theatre?

If there is actually one, or you genuinely think there is..

Otherwise you're just a Muppet likely to go down for reckless endangerment.

Ok, I'll try to reframe the question, what if someone is claiming the right of free speech to incite violence or widespread civil unrest?"

You have a right to say it. It doesn't mean anyone has to listen, accept or tolerate it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about the idea of letting ridiculous ideas out into the daylight for all to see how mad they are rather than silencing them? Is that not more effective?

I'll bait you with an example so.... Do you think that a second wave feminist horrified at the antics of the new generation should be physically blocked and then shouted down and verbally abused right the way through her talk just because she has valid criticism of the "sloppy thinking" of the third and forth wave?

Or should they should they shut up, listen, form there own opinions and exercise their right to respectfully disagree?

Which is a more civil process?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

You have a right to say it. It doesn't mean anyone has to listen, accept or tolerate it. "

If you won't listen then you are dogmatic.

God forbid you might have your world view challenged or learn a little something.

Respect and humility are becoming lost arts.

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"

You have a right to say it. It doesn't mean anyone has to listen, accept or tolerate it.

If you won't listen then you are dogmatic.

God forbid you might have your world view challenged or learn a little something.

Respect and humility are becoming lost arts. "

You're seeing what you want to see.

Where did I say me? I was speaking generally.

You can choose not to listen

You can choose to listen and not accept

You can choose not to tolerate.

Aren't I listening to you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm speaking generally too... The joy of texting

What about the example I gave above?

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

We are living in an age of outrage, where people love to be offended, and then attempt to use this perceived offence to stop others from expressing themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as you aren't being a c*nt, say what you want. I'm a fairly straight up kind of person. I am always honest with people. Truth is a great leveller. It keeps me right and keeps others right to. As long as I am true to myself and others, I believe it will keep me in good stead. Life is too short to fanny about.

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"I'm speaking generally too... The joy of texting

What about the example I gave above?

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There's no cut and dried answer.

While part of me would say "yes, let all the ridiculous ideas out and let the chips fall where they may" then you have to assume that most people are of a reasonable mind and can spot ridiculousness, bigotry, et al.... Which then prompts the age old "one man's genius is another man's idiocy"

Forgive me four sounding arrogant, but you don't have to go far on the internet to see how ignorant/idiotic/uneducated/ridiculous (delete where applicable) most people are.

Yes let them have their opinion I say....But if the opinion is utter bullshit they can't get butthurt when called out on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm speaking generally too... The joy of texting

What about the example I gave above?

There's no cut and dried answer.

While part of me would say "yes, let all the ridiculous ideas out and let the chips fall where they may" then you have to assume that most people are of a reasonable mind and can spot ridiculousness, bigotry, et al.... Which then prompts the age old "one man's genius is another man's idiocy"

Forgive me four sounding arrogant, but you don't have to go far on the internet to see how ignorant/idiotic/uneducated/ridiculous (delete where applicable) most people are.

Yes let them have their opinion I say....But if the opinion is utter bullshit they can't get butthurt when called out on it. "

On that we can agree. I'm staggered that the population at large is far stupider than I ever imagined.

But this is precisely why the over influence of some voices needs to be stopped.... I see the irony in what I'm saying... There needs to be a level playing field of equal and opposite opinion. Debate and discourse. At the moment there are some batshit crazy feminists who are the darlings of Irish media and few dissenting voices.

They are being given a platform to corrupt the good nature of easily influenced people and people are growing up thinking we have an endemic rape culture to rival sub Saharan Africa and that women are systematically short-changed 20 to 30 percent by the man which is both illegal and wildly inaccurate.

These are ridiculous notions taken as truth with the lazy defence of you are a "misogynist" if you can see clearly through the lies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't half talk some nonsense fella.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You don't half talk some nonsense fella."

Feel free to point out where......

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"You don't half talk some nonsense fella."

There was me thinking I'm too stupid to understand it like the population at large ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You don't half talk some nonsense fella.

There was me thinking I'm too stupid to understand it like the population at large ...."

No, I'm beginning to think there could be underlying feminine issues...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a chef and forget myself time to time and well have verbal diarrhoea. I can't offend when I mean to be nice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a chef and forget myself time to time and well have verbal diarrhoea. I can't offend when I mean to be nice "

Chef...diarrhea. NOOOOOOOO!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a chef and forget myself time to time and well have verbal diarrhoea. I can't offend when I mean to be nice

Chef...diarrhea. NOOOOOOOO!"

Not like that.....verbal lol

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"You don't half talk some nonsense fella.

There was me thinking I'm too stupid to understand it like the population at large ....

No, I'm beginning to think there could be underlying feminine issues...

"

Well I can understand what Flash is expressing, you've were already invited to point out what you meant by saying he was talking nonsense. Instead you infer there maybe 'underlying feminine issues'

Again, feel free to clarify.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You don't half talk some nonsense fella.

There was me thinking I'm too stupid to understand it like the population at large ....

No, I'm beginning to think there could be underlying feminine issues...

Well I can understand what Flash is expressing, you've were already invited to point out what you meant by saying he was talking nonsense. Instead you infer there maybe 'underlying feminine issues'

Again, feel free to clarify."

He appears to have problems with women's equality issues, he can't seem to accept that his views are not the norm and then when told he can't grasp a different concept to his, he starts to argue. People then choose to avoid him (on the forums) & he somehow sees this as justification that he is right.

I could be wrong.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"You don't half talk some nonsense fella.

There was me thinking I'm too stupid to understand it like the population at large ....

No, I'm beginning to think there could be underlying feminine issues...

Well I can understand what Flash is expressing, you've were already invited to point out what you meant by saying he was talking nonsense. Instead you infer there maybe 'underlying feminine issues'

Again, feel free to clarify.

He appears to have problems with women's equality issues, he can't seem to accept that his views are not the norm and then when told he can't grasp a different concept to his, he starts to argue. People then choose to avoid him (on the forums) & he somehow sees this as justification that he is right.

I could be wrong."

Well from what I understand you've just gave his argument some credibility. There are some media and web commentators that have used accusations of misogyny to stop others expressing themselves.

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"You don't half talk some nonsense fella.

There was me thinking I'm too stupid to understand it like the population at large ....

No, I'm beginning to think there could be underlying feminine issues...

Well I can understand what Flash is expressing, you've were already invited to point out what you meant by saying he was talking nonsense. Instead you infer there maybe 'underlying feminine issues'

Again, feel free to clarify.

He appears to have problems with women's equality issues, he can't seem to accept that his views are not the norm and then when told he can't grasp a different concept to his, he starts to argue. People then choose to avoid him (on the forums) & he somehow sees this as justification that he is right.

I could be wrong.

Well from what I understand you've just gave his argument some credibility. There are some media and web commentators that have used accusations of misogyny to stop others expressing themselves.

"

Or perhaps society is facing a paradigm shift away from the patriarchy towards a more egalitarian point of view and some are feeling that all they know and were brought up with is being threatened and they're hanging on tooth and nail to try and stop it?

It was once said that "you can't stop the march of progress"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not quite fair. I have fair criticism of an "equality" movement which harbours extremists on one side (real manhater, female supremacist types) and tries to drown out all dissenting opinion on the other and call it "correctness"

If you'll cool your jets for a minute you'll see that I was supporting one esteemed feminist in her critique of younger, more confused feminists.

I love women, humans and REAL equality. I would have probably ended up as a "feminist" until I saw the sort of extreme opinions they try to push and which have unfortunately become the "norm" as you have put it.

Try to be more constructive in your criticism please instead of "underlying feminine issues" or the usual snide and weak one liners.

I see my own clear thought process as evidence of being correct and I've invited you and others many times to argue the points and show me where I'm wrong. I'm happy to change my mind when shown a compelling argument or evidence and I genuinely try to keep an open mind and look for where I might be wrong. It's called intellectual humility, you should try it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To clarify....just take a look at the comments section on any newspaper article or youtube and you will see the type of thick ignorant regurgitate whatever they're fed cretins I'm talking about.

I count most forum contributors to be a step above that.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

Bet it's those bloody no good single guys ruining free speech for the genuine guys again.

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By *ir1967Man
over a year ago

in da sticks, london, amsterdam, madrid


"Freedom of speech is about being able to voice your political and/or religious opinions without retaliation from the government. Provided they fall within the law (slander/incitement to violence etc.)

Ive never come across anyone whose freedom of speech has been violated.

What I have come across are the very thin skinned who "are just being honest" but will throw a temper tantrum if someones honest about them.

The "anti political correctness" crowd are a strange group. Studies show that racists/sexists/whatever actually think that the overwhelming number of people agree with them but are too scared to say it. So they blame political correctness...but obviously if the majority agreed with them there'd be no pressure to keep quiet about it. Its not that long ago that women and non-whites were openly discriminated against."

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Or perhaps society is facing a paradigm shift away from the patriarchy towards a more egalitarian point of view and some are feeling that all they know and were brought up with is being threatened and they're hanging on tooth and nail to try and stop it?

It was once said that "you can't stop the march of progress" "

You see John you'd love to paint me as hanging on to the days of women being chained to the sink or doing what she's told.

My generation didn't grow up like that, we grew up in harmony with women, sharing the cooking and cleaning and my female friends have been just as successful as my male friends. That is egalitarian or at least it was.

It's hanging on tooth and nail to a sense of humour, freedom of expression and very importantly the truth that neither I nor my male friends have ever raped someone or suffer from "toxic masculinity"

"Rape culture" is such a dangerous idea and I'm genuinely shocked by how it's propagating. I can't see how any self respecting or sound thinking man can get behind something like that.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"You don't half talk some nonsense fella.

There was me thinking I'm too stupid to understand it like the population at large ....

No, I'm beginning to think there could be underlying feminine issues...

Well I can understand what Flash is expressing, you've were already invited to point out what you meant by saying he was talking nonsense. Instead you infer there maybe 'underlying feminine issues'

Again, feel free to clarify.

He appears to have problems with women's equality issues, he can't seem to accept that his views are not the norm and then when told he can't grasp a different concept to his, he starts to argue. People then choose to avoid him (on the forums) & he somehow sees this as justification that he is right.

I could be wrong.

Well from what I understand you've just gave his argument some credibility. There are some media and web commentators that have used accusations of misogyny to stop others expressing themselves.

Or perhaps society is facing a paradigm shift away from the patriarchy towards a more egalitarian point of view and some are feeling that all they know and were brought up with is being threatened and they're hanging on tooth and nail to try and stop it?

It was once said that "you can't stop the march of progress" "

So you're suggesting that expressing a critical view of 3rd wave feminist thinking implies a resistance to change and by expressing such an opinion indicates a threatened person who will fight tooth and nail to resist change. I think you've just proven his point again.

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"

Or perhaps society is facing a paradigm shift away from the patriarchy towards a more egalitarian point of view and some are feeling that all they know and were brought up with is being threatened and they're hanging on tooth and nail to try and stop it?

It was once said that "you can't stop the march of progress"

You see John you'd love to paint me as hanging on to the days of women being chained to the sink or doing what she's told.

My generation didn't grow up like that, we grew up in harmony with women, sharing the cooking and cleaning and my female friends have been just as successful as my male friends. That is egalitarian or at least it was.

It's hanging on tooth and nail to a sense of humour, freedom of expression and very importantly the truth that neither I nor my male friends have ever raped someone or suffer from "toxic masculinity"

"Rape culture" is such a dangerous idea and I'm genuinely shocked by how it's propagating. I can't see how any self respecting or sound thinking man can get behind something like that."

...and I totally agree with the points you've made there.

Those on the far left are as bad, if not worse than those on the far right, in my opinion.

I'm not a fan of "toxic feminism". I am however a big fan of regular feminism. You won't find me posting on Tumblr anytime soon.

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"You don't half talk some nonsense fella.

There was me thinking I'm too stupid to understand it like the population at large ....

No, I'm beginning to think there could be underlying feminine issues...

Well I can understand what Flash is expressing, you've were already invited to point out what you meant by saying he was talking nonsense. Instead you infer there maybe 'underlying feminine issues'

Again, feel free to clarify.

He appears to have problems with women's equality issues, he can't seem to accept that his views are not the norm and then when told he can't grasp a different concept to his, he starts to argue. People then choose to avoid him (on the forums) & he somehow sees this as justification that he is right.

I could be wrong.

Well from what I understand you've just gave his argument some credibility. There are some media and web commentators that have used accusations of misogyny to stop others expressing themselves.

Or perhaps society is facing a paradigm shift away from the patriarchy towards a more egalitarian point of view and some are feeling that all they know and were brought up with is being threatened and they're hanging on tooth and nail to try and stop it?

It was once said that "you can't stop the march of progress"

So you're suggesting that expressing a critical view of 3rd wave feminist thinking implies a resistance to change and by expressing such an opinion indicates a threatened person who will fight tooth and nail to resist change. I think you've just proven his point again."

No sir, I'm suggesting that those who oppose the abolition of outdated gender stereotypes, marriage equality, a woman's right to choose, to have a fair wage, and to be treated equally should get with the times.

The 50's are gone, and they ain't coming back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Or perhaps society is facing a paradigm shift away from the patriarchy towards a more egalitarian point of view and some are feeling that all they know and were brought up with is being threatened and they're hanging on tooth and nail to try and stop it?

It was once said that "you can't stop the march of progress"

You see John you'd love to paint me as hanging on to the days of women being chained to the sink or doing what she's told.

My generation didn't grow up like that, we grew up in harmony with women, sharing the cooking and cleaning and my female friends have been just as successful as my male friends. That is egalitarian or at least it was.

It's hanging on tooth and nail to a sense of humour, freedom of expression and very importantly the truth that neither I nor my male friends have ever raped someone or suffer from "toxic masculinity"

"Rape culture" is such a dangerous idea and I'm genuinely shocked by how it's propagating. I can't see how any self respecting or sound thinking man can get behind something like that.

...and I totally agree with the points you've made there.

Those on the far left are as bad, if not worse than those on the far right, in my opinion.

I'm not a fan of "toxic feminism". I am however a big fan of regular feminism. You won't find me posting on Tumblr anytime soon. "

Ok and how do you delineate between the good and the bad?

Let's be direct. What is your take on "rape culture"?

Would you agree that their is a trickle down effect from the toxic to the naive?

These are smart and women and they've practiced their propaganda and tuned into to a fine art over 20 years. Just two years ago no one here in Ireland would have the slightest clue what we are on about for the most part, such is its effectiveness its now a regular talking point, tv shows, documentaries etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can somebody break it down for me or do I have to read the whole fckn thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Freedom of choice surely applies here too. A blind man can see you are passionate about this but you are loosing sight of what you are saying and trying to force feed your opinion through repeatedly arguing it. Not everyone will agree that is life, not everyone will play fairly that is human nature, not everyone believes what they are told by the media or online...just because something is repeatedly said does not mean its true.

Peace

Madame B

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually I don't wanna know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Freedom of choice surely applies here too. A blind man can see you are passionate about this but you are loosing sight of what you are saying and trying to force feed your opinion through repeatedly arguing it. Not everyone will agree that is life, not everyone will play fairly that is human nature, not everyone believes what they are told by the media or online...just because something is repeatedly said does not mean its true.

Peace

Madame B"

Can we not talk about whatever we like here rather than kiss, fuck, pass.

Fab is a perfect forum for this as it brings all walks of life together.

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"

Ok and how do you delineate between the good and the bad?

Let's be direct. What is your take on "rape culture"?

Would you agree that their is a trickle down effect from the toxic to the naive?

These are smart and women and they've practiced their propaganda and tuned into to a fine art over 20 years. Just two years ago no one here in Ireland would have the slightest clue what we are on about for the most part, such is its effectiveness its now a regular talking point, tv shows, documentaries etc.

"

1. I can't speak for others, I can only make up my own mind based on my own experiences.

2. My take on "rape culture" is this, simply put: If some would like to claim that all men have the potential to rape because they have a penis, then i'd counter that all women have the potential to lie about it because they have a mouth.

3. I honestly couldn't tell you. I'm smart enough to smell the bullshit when I see it. I refer you to point 1.

I can't speak for women and what they have to deal with because I'm not one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've made some strong points on the matter and will leave it at that.

I'll be delighted if some of you have the strength of mind to argue the point rather than lazily condemning the points as underlying sexism ....which brings us nicely back to the topic of fair speech.

Peace

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Freedom of choice surely applies here too. A blind man can see you are passionate about this but you are loosing sight of what you are saying and trying to force feed your opinion through repeatedly arguing it. Not everyone will agree that is life, not everyone will play fairly that is human nature, not everyone believes what they are told by the media or online...just because something is repeatedly said does not mean its true.

Peace

Madame B

Can we not talk about whatever we like here rather than kiss, fuck, pass.

Fab is a perfect forum for this as it brings all walks of life together.

"

Didn't say that you couldn't talk...merely pointed out that people have the choice to disagree with out arguing the point... To those that want to debate it, off with them...its a forum.

Debating different topics here is healthy just as much as kiss, fuck, pass can lighten the mood and cheer people up...they all can have a value and place here.

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"I've made some strong points on the matter and will leave it at that.

I'll be delighted if some of you have the strength of mind to argue the point rather than lazily condemning the points as underlying sexism ....which brings us nicely back to the topic of fair speech.

Peace "

I hope you're not referring to me as lazy, I think I was one of the few that actually engaged in a debate with you, even though it seems we're (kinda) on the same page.

anyway.....

You can't deny there's an undercurrent of sexism with some people on both sides.

One need only scan through fab, both on forum threads and within private messages. I'd cite the thread on PUA as one example. Those guys dont see women as people, just as prey to be caught. same goes for the guys that get abusive when rejected.

on the flip you've women here marking territory on men like they're property. or treating men like shite because they can.

I've said it before, Fab is but a microcosm of society as a whole, it's just got an emphasis on swinging.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

excercising some free speech may I say there are some snowflakes on here damn whatever happened to the days I could log on to have a shag haha P.S. Trump rocks!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've made some strong points on the matter and will leave it at that.

I'll be delighted if some of you have the strength of mind to argue the point rather than lazily condemning the points as underlying sexism ....which brings us nicely back to the topic of fair speech.

Peace

I hope you're not referring to me as lazy, I think I was one of the few that actually engaged in a debate with you, even though it seems we're (kinda) on the same page.

anyway.....

You can't deny there's an undercurrent of sexism with some people on both sides.

One need only scan through fab, both on forum threads and within private messages. I'd cite the thread on PUA as one example. Those guys dont see women as people, just as prey to be caught. same goes for the guys that get abusive when rejected.

on the flip you've women here marking territory on men like they're property. or treating men like shite because they can.

I've said it before, Fab is but a microcosm of society as a whole, it's just got an emphasis on swinging. "

No not at all John you are a good sport.

It was directed squarely at Candy and her snide and silly comments, just in case I wasn't clear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've made some strong points on the matter and will leave it at that.

I'll be delighted if some of you have the strength of mind to argue the point rather than lazily condemning the points as underlying sexism ....which brings us nicely back to the topic of fair speech.

Peace

I hope you're not referring to me as lazy, I think I was one of the few that actually engaged in a debate with you, even though it seems we're (kinda) on the same page.

anyway.....

You can't deny there's an undercurrent of sexism with some people on both sides.

One need only scan through fab, both on forum threads and within private messages. I'd cite the thread on PUA as one example. Those guys dont see women as people, just as prey to be caught. same goes for the guys that get abusive when rejected.

on the flip you've women here marking territory on men like they're property. or treating men like shite because they can.

I've said it before, Fab is but a microcosm of society as a whole, it's just got an emphasis on swinging. "

All walks of life here and a few doing the funky chicken

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By *ord Willy McFuck-BucketMan
over a year ago

newcastle

well can can we tell people to fuck off or not? I can't be arsed reading all this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually enjoyed thread, specifically the last few post, thanks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perfect, does that mean we can move on now?

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Perfect, does that mean we can move on now?

"

Well, I'm not stopping you or anyone else.

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"

I love women, humans and REAL equality. I would have probably ended up as a "feminist" until I saw the sort of extreme opinions they try to push and which have unfortunately become the "norm" as you have put it.

"

I missed this post from earlier. I disagree. I'm a feminist and I don't subscribe to the view that what you've described it the norm. You even say yourself they're extreme opinions. Those people are on the fringe, and they're usually just misandrists in feminists clothing. most right minded feminists see through that bullshit.

I believe them to be the minority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well can can we tell people to fuck off or not? I can't be arsed reading all this."

Best post by far

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I love women, humans and REAL equality. I would have probably ended up as a "feminist" until I saw the sort of extreme opinions they try to push and which have unfortunately become the "norm" as you have put it.

I missed this post from earlier. I disagree. I'm a feminist and I don't subscribe to the view that what you've described it the norm. You even say yourself they're extreme opinions. Those people are on the fringe, and they're usually just misandrists in feminists clothing. most right minded feminists see through that bullshit.

I believe them to be the minority. "

I was paraphrasing Candy and her point that my opinions are not the "norm"

I think they are very rational....but then I'm biased

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"

I love women, humans and REAL equality. I would have probably ended up as a "feminist" until I saw the sort of extreme opinions they try to push and which have unfortunately become the "norm" as you have put it.

I missed this post from earlier. I disagree. I'm a feminist and I don't subscribe to the view that what you've described it the norm. You even say yourself they're extreme opinions. Those people are on the fringe, and they're usually just misandrists in feminists clothing. most right minded feminists see through that bullshit.

I believe them to be the minority.

I was paraphrasing Candy and her point that my opinions are not the "norm"

I think they are very rational....but then I'm biased "

Apologies. I thought you were referring to the tumblr brigade.

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwilly OP   Man
over a year ago

Tipperary

beautiful thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Freedom of speech once you don't cause harm or offence to others. That's not just my opinion that's how it is worded in the declaration of human rights

Then it's not freedom of speech.

If someone gets offended by something someone else says then that's their own problem.

You don't have the right to not be offended."

I think it was Stephen fry {correct me if I'm wrong} who said, "if you're offended, fuck off and been offended somewhere else"

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