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"It isn't very surprising that some people get rude messages.Most of it comes from the way certain people treat there fellow fab users and especially the forum users. its not newbies that are rude. its the keyboard warriors with nothing better to do with there time that provokes other forum users to react in a negative way. " To be fair, in a lot of cases nasty messages are unsolicited and unwarranted. I'll never understand what makes a person decide to send another a nasty message. If you don't like what they say on the forum or on their profile, don't look, or block them so you don't see as much. | |||
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"It isn't very surprising that some people get rude messages.Most of it comes from the way certain people treat there fellow fab users and especially the forum users. its not newbies that are rude. its the keyboard warriors with nothing better to do with there time that provokes other forum users to react in a negative way. To be fair, in a lot of cases nasty messages are unsolicited and unwarranted. I'll never understand what makes a person decide to send another a nasty message. If you don't like what they say on the forum or on their profile, don't look, or block them so you don't see as much. " I didn't say nasty messages. I personally would never send a nasty message but a rude one no problem. | |||
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"It isn't very surprising that some people get rude messages.Most of it comes from the way certain people treat there fellow fab users and especially the forum users. its not newbies that are rude. its the keyboard warriors with nothing better to do with there time that provokes other forum users to react in a negative way. To be fair, in a lot of cases nasty messages are unsolicited and unwarranted. I'll never understand what makes a person decide to send another a nasty message. If you don't like what they say on the forum or on their profile, don't look, or block them so you don't see as much. I didn't say nasty messages. I personally would never send a nasty message but a rude one no problem. " In my head, there's a fine line between rude and nasty. Sorry if I misunderstood x | |||
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"It isn't very surprising that some people get rude messages.Most of it comes from the way certain people treat there fellow fab users and especially the forum users. its not newbies that are rude. its the keyboard warriors with nothing better to do with there time that provokes other forum users to react in a negative way. To be fair, in a lot of cases nasty messages are unsolicited and unwarranted. I'll never understand what makes a person decide to send another a nasty message. If you don't like what they say on the forum or on their profile, don't look, or block them so you don't see as much. I didn't say nasty messages. I personally would never send a nasty message but a rude one no problem. In my head, there's a fine line between rude and nasty. Sorry if I misunderstood x" I have got lots of nasty messages on here and believe me I find a big difference between rude and nasty. No problem if you misunderstood. | |||
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"Newbies aren't rude? Really? Some quotes from newbie profiles "Aaaww the lil tiny penis can't take rejection well can he *giggles* 3,2,1, meltdown hahahha" "Sum stook up cunts on here " Fact is rude people be rude people " Fact is some of the most argumentative people on here are far from newbies. But they seem to get away with it because they have lots of friends to back them up. | |||
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""It is a wise thing to be polite; consequently, it is a stupid thing to be rude. To make enemies by unnecessary and willful incivility, is just as insane a proceeding as to set your house on fire. For politeness is like a counter-an avowedly false coin, with which it is foolish to be stingy."" I've got to admit I can be rude. Sometimes I don't read half the crap some people write on here.Sorry did you say something probably was nothing important as usual. | |||
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"Newbies aren't rude? Really? Some quotes from newbie profiles "Aaaww the lil tiny penis can't take rejection well can he *giggles* 3,2,1, meltdown hahahha" "Sum stook up cunts on here " Fact is rude people be rude people Fact is some of the most argumentative people on here are far from newbies. But they seem to get away with it because they have lots of friends to back them up." Can I just ask questions.. 1. does that fact you stated annoy you? & 2. if it does annoy you why does it? | |||
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"Newbies aren't rude? Really? Some quotes from newbie profiles "Aaaww the lil tiny penis can't take rejection well can he *giggles* 3,2,1, meltdown hahahha" "Sum stook up cunts on here " Fact is rude people be rude people " Yup, you got that right. And when their rudeness is laughed at they become aggressive. | |||
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"Newbies aren't rude? Really? Some quotes from newbie profiles "Aaaww the lil tiny penis can't take rejection well can he *giggles* 3,2,1, meltdown hahahha" "Sum stook up cunts on here " Fact is rude people be rude people Fact is some of the most argumentative people on here are far from newbies. But they seem to get away with it because they have lots of friends to back them up. Can I just ask questions.. 1. does that fact you stated annoy you? & 2. if it does annoy you why does it? " Yes it does annoy me.Because I see the same smart ass people on here every day with nothing better to do than pick on people and then pass it off as some kind of joke.Answer me is what I said TRUE or FALSE. | |||
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"Newbies aren't rude? Really? Some quotes from newbie profiles "Aaaww the lil tiny penis can't take rejection well can he *giggles* 3,2,1, meltdown hahahha" "Sum stook up cunts on here " Fact is rude people be rude people Fact is some of the most argumentative people on here are far from newbies. But they seem to get away with it because they have lots of friends to back them up. Can I just ask questions.. 1. does that fact you stated annoy you? & 2. if it does annoy you why does it? Yes it does annoy me.Because I see the same smart ass people on here every day with nothing better to do than pick on people and then pass it off as some kind of joke.Answer me is what I said TRUE or FALSE. " And at least one or more of them has posted on this thread. | |||
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""It is a wise thing to be polite; consequently, it is a stupid thing to be rude. To make enemies by unnecessary and willful incivility, is just as insane a proceeding as to set your house on fire. For politeness is like a counter-an avowedly false coin, with which it is foolish to be stingy."" Really?! | |||
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"In my head, there's a fine line between rude and nasty. Sorry if I misunderstood x" They're both on the same side of the line IMO. If you wouldn't say something in person don't say it at all. | |||
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"Tis the season to be jolly....fa lol lol lol la lol lol lol Let it go Merry Christmas Rosman Madame B x "  | |||
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"Tis the season to be jolly....fa lol lol lol la lol lol lol Let it go Merry Christmas Rosman Madame B x " Ooh! Welcome in your new guise & Merry Christmas. 
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"Tis the season to be jolly....fa lol lol lol la lol lol lol Let it go Merry Christmas Rosman Madame B x Ooh! Welcome in your new guise & Merry Christmas.
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"It isn't very surprising that some people get rude messages.Most of it comes from the way certain people treat there fellow fab users and especially the forum users. its not newbies that are rude. its the keyboard warriors with nothing better to do with there time that provokes other forum users to react in a negative way. " Breath and find your inner calmness my friend, and smile and don't let it annoy you. | |||
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"I disagree with the op. I find it pathetic that he is victim blaming. Pathetic but not surprising. When I was 10 I called up the operator and called her a fucking bitch. I hung up, proud of my bad ass-ness. I put her in her place, real good. When she called back I lost my shit, nearly pissed myself and learned a valuable life lesson. She told me, if I hung up she would call back every day until she got my mum or dad, so I listened to what she said. Boiled down, respect women and don't be a coward. If you want to say something bad do it face to face. There are a lot of insecure people on here. Men and women. Not a shocker to anyone bothering to read this. The insecure women learn that they are attractive to most of the people on here and they are given a place of privilege. Which they use. The men learn that no one is impressed with their cock and that they are seen as a pest in most cases. An inconvenience almost. They are objectified, emasculated, and ignored. This is not what men are used to. Some emotionally stunted men resort to abuse to "reclaim" their power. They lash out at people who seem happy because they want to have an impact. Any impact. And like the cowards that they are they do it hiding behind a profile on the Internet. None of them would dare say anything like this in real life. Ironically the behaviour that op is complaining about is just male privilege being used by women. How dare you ignore me because I have a cock. Can you not see it standing there in all its glory! Marvel at it woman! Be astounded by its turgence! You are extremely attractive. I will let you touch my penis if you beg correctly. Internet tough guy who blames the victims is in reality an insecure man child who is desperate to make any sort of impact. Just like the people of both sexes who send nasty messages." Sage advise as always but I just have to comment on one part... You had a phone when you were 10! You spoilt brat we had to walk to the village to have our phonecalls eaves dropped on lol gotta love the 80's | |||
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"I disagree with the op. I find it pathetic that he is victim blaming. Pathetic but not surprising. When I was 10 I called up the operator and called her a fucking bitch. I hung up, proud of my bad ass-ness. I put her in her place, real good. When she called back I lost my shit, nearly pissed myself and learned a valuable life lesson. She told me, if I hung up she would call back every day until she got my mum or dad, so I listened to what she said. Boiled down, respect women and don't be a coward. If you want to say something bad do it face to face. There are a lot of insecure people on here. Men and women. Not a shocker to anyone bothering to read this. The insecure women learn that they are attractive to most of the people on here and they are given a place of privilege. Which they use. The men learn that no one is impressed with their cock and that they are seen as a pest in most cases. An inconvenience almost. They are objectified, emasculated, and ignored. This is not what men are used to. Some emotionally stunted men resort to abuse to "reclaim" their power. They lash out at people who seem happy because they want to have an impact. Any impact. And like the cowards that they are they do it hiding behind a profile on the Internet. None of them would dare say anything like this in real life. Ironically the behaviour that op is complaining about is just male privilege being used by women. How dare you ignore me because I have a cock. Can you not see it standing there in all its glory! Marvel at it woman! Be astounded by its turgence! You are extremely attractive. I will let you touch my penis if you beg correctly. Internet tough guy who blames the victims is in reality an insecure man child who is desperate to make any sort of impact. Just like the people of both sexes who send nasty messages." I find it pathetic that you can write a load of what every you want to call it.Yet you choose to ignore the bullying tactics of some of the so called ladies on here. | |||
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"I disagree with the op. I find it pathetic that he is victim blaming. Pathetic but not surprising. When I was 10 I called up the operator and called her a fucking bitch. I hung up, proud of my bad ass-ness. I put her in her place, real good. When she called back I lost my shit, nearly pissed myself and learned a valuable life lesson. She told me, if I hung up she would call back every day until she got my mum or dad, so I listened to what she said. Boiled down, respect women and don't be a coward. If you want to say something bad do it face to face. There are a lot of insecure people on here. Men and women. Not a shocker to anyone bothering to read this. The insecure women learn that they are attractive to most of the people on here and they are given a place of privilege. Which they use. The men learn that no one is impressed with their cock and that they are seen as a pest in most cases. An inconvenience almost. They are objectified, emasculated, and ignored. This is not what men are used to. Some emotionally stunted men resort to abuse to "reclaim" their power. They lash out at people who seem happy because they want to have an impact. Any impact. And like the cowards that they are they do it hiding behind a profile on the Internet. None of them would dare say anything like this in real life. Ironically the behaviour that op is complaining about is just male privilege being used by women. How dare you ignore me because I have a cock. Can you not see it standing there in all its glory! Marvel at it woman! Be astounded by its turgence! You are extremely attractive. I will let you touch my penis if you beg correctly. Internet tough guy who blames the victims is in reality an insecure man child who is desperate to make any sort of impact. Just like the people of both sexes who send nasty messages. I find it pathetic that you can write a load of what every you want to call it.Yet you choose to ignore the bullying tactics of some of the so called ladies on here." Chill man. Santy's coming | |||
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"I disagree with the op. I find it pathetic that he is victim blaming. Pathetic but not surprising. When I was 10 I called up the operator and called her a fucking bitch. I hung up, proud of my bad ass-ness. I put her in her place, real good. When she called back I lost my shit, nearly pissed myself and learned a valuable life lesson. She told me, if I hung up she would call back every day until she got my mum or dad, so I listened to what she said. Boiled down, respect women and don't be a coward. If you want to say something bad do it face to face. There are a lot of insecure people on here. Men and women. Not a shocker to anyone bothering to read this. The insecure women learn that they are attractive to most of the people on here and they are given a place of privilege. Which they use. The men learn that no one is impressed with their cock and that they are seen as a pest in most cases. An inconvenience almost. They are objectified, emasculated, and ignored. This is not what men are used to. Some emotionally stunted men resort to abuse to "reclaim" their power. They lash out at people who seem happy because they want to have an impact. Any impact. And like the cowards that they are they do it hiding behind a profile on the Internet. None of them would dare say anything like this in real life. Ironically the behaviour that op is complaining about is just male privilege being used by women. How dare you ignore me because I have a cock. Can you not see it standing there in all its glory! Marvel at it woman! Be astounded by its turgence! You are extremely attractive. I will let you touch my penis if you beg correctly. Internet tough guy who blames the victims is in reality an insecure man child who is desperate to make any sort of impact. Just like the people of both sexes who send nasty messages. I find it pathetic that you can write a load of what every you want to call it.Yet you choose to ignore the bullying tactics of some of the so called ladies on here." Didn't you say earlier you don't read the threads properly? That proves your point. Read the last line I wrote. Read previous messages I have posted. I have had discussions on here about how men are treated and generalised. With women. I call it like it is. The bullies on here, male or female are just that. Bullies. There are women who treat men like shit because of their genitals. Welcome to their world. That's what they have to deal with every day. Generally speaking men treat women like second class citizens. But here it is reversed. Here and on every swinging website. I was on here as a single male and i found no one treated me badly. No one bullied me. But i treated no one badly either | |||
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" Generally speaking men treat women like second class citizens. But here it is reversed. Here and on every swinging website. " You normally speak a lot of sense but I really have to call you out on this BULLSHIT You just have a thwarted view of things. Give me real examples of how women are treated as second class citizens... Not your personal anecdotes | |||
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" Generally speaking men treat women like second class citizens. But here it is reversed. Here and on every swinging website. You normally speak a lot of sense but I really have to call you out on this BULLSHIT You just have a thwarted view of things. Give me real examples of how women are treated as second class citizens... Not your personal anecdotes " You are serious? Go talk to a feminist. Wage inequality. Gender sterotypes. A woman who tells it like it is, is called a bitch. A man who does it is called a leader. In many work places a woman's opinion doesn't carry as much weight as a man. My boss is a woman. She is very good at what she does. She's often called an emotional cunt because she gets stressed. The male managers are under stress. She's emotional. What's the gender breakdown of politicians? Is it 50/50? What's the gender breakdown of ceos? | |||
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"Your points had legitimacy in the 70s when Feminism had a purpose Lets make it simple... We will leave out the 'elite'.... (As an aside a very interesting stat is the is no wage gap between Male or female CEOs... Just think about it for a while) But anyway... No politicians or CEOs... Tell me in factual terms how women are second class citizens in Ireland. And ladies I'd love to know if you feel like second class citizens? " So we should ignore the parts that disagree with your argument and only focus on one small part to prove your whole point? | |||
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"I can prove my point on every part but it's hard work. You are massively biased (I know why but won't bring it up) Can you answer the question I put to you? " Why am I biased? To curry favour?? There are two women on here I flirt wwith.im not looking to have sex with anyone except those two women. | |||
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"Forget it, it's a personal thing you mentioned here before I'm asking you again to stand by your assertion that women are second class citizens, why? " My bias comes from Me being raped as a kid? Possibly but not likely. My best friends are men, favourite teachers were men, ect. Being raised by a single mom, possibly, being with the one woman for 20 years possibly. Having 2 daughters, possibly. My opinion on male privilege and the treatment of women is because of my perspective. I have seen women's opinions not given as much weight. I have seen women not get paid as much as men, i have seen women verbally abused because they dared to be assertive. I have seen my daughters assume that they need to have a rich husband to look after them. They didn't learn that from me. They learned that from tv. Women are expected to be reserved and passive. When they behave differently they are called names. Have you not seen women here slut shamed? Who slut shames men ? | |||
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"I can prove my point on every part but it's hard work. You are massively biased (I know why but won't bring it up) Can you answer the question I put to you? " Can you answer the question she put to you.Your answering like a politician now.That makes it 51/49 now does it? | |||
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"I can prove my point on every part but it's hard work. You are massively biased (I know why but won't bring it up) Can you answer the question I put to you? Can you answer the question she put to you.Your answering like a politician now.That makes it 51/49 now does it?" Nah it politicians that dodge questions. I'm in more of a Vincent Brown role | |||
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"It wasn't that... I didn't know that at... Very very sorry I asked for facts not anecdotes. They are all stories about how you have viewed your world, sorry to labour the point but that is it. I have seen the opposite of your world, women, well respected and rewarded for their work, full access to education and everything else leading happy successful lives. Treated well by men too. More of my better paid bosses have been women than men. Is my view of the world illegitimate yet yours is correct?The truth is we are both a little bit wrong. So give me the FACTS about how women are second class citizens, otherwise you are just spreading discontent where there should be harmony. " one of the things about privilege is that often we don't see it in ourselves. I honestly believe that women and men are not treated equally. Not EVERY woman is abused. Or down beaten or underpaid. But as a sex it is undeniably better to be a man than a woman. It's not as bad as it was. I gave many examples of how women are treated differently. You want numbers. I don't have numbers. It's impossible to quantify disrespect. Or ignorance shown to a person. Studys have been done to quantify how much weight we put on a man saying something against a woman giving the same message. Look at the US election if you want to see first hand how a woman needs to be clearly better than her competition to win. His mud stuck to her while she couldn't get most people to really look at him. Reality is probably somewhere between our two perspectives but I believe it's closer to mine than yours | |||
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"Superflash there are very few facts in the world. Most things are conjecture, opinion or things observed. Statistics are also easily manipulated or open to interpretation. Females gained more rights throughout the 20th century I don't think that can be disputed. In that 100 years the inequality between the genders closed but there was no finish line, no point where anyone has to declare OK that's enough now. Men and woman have different issues. Sexual innuendo and abuse in the workplace has only really been addressed in the last twenty years.. Wolf whistling in the street has only really been challenged in the last twenty years. Woman are still getting abused in the street for breastfeeding while tits stare at us from billboards. Most woman wouldn't dream of going to a pub on their own not because they wouldn't want to but they don't feel brave enough. Not to mention reproductive rights and current discussion around the 8th amendment. Gender politics is not null and void.. The sexes have some differing concerns. Not exactly mind blowing that that would be the case. " | |||
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" The sexes have some differing concerns. Not exactly mind blowing that that would be the case. " Yes I agree which is why it can't be said that women are second class citizens. I could list examples about various situations where men have difficulty but its tiresome and boring. It's called life. We all have equal opportunities and I can't buy the idea that in 2016 that the majority of women are downtrodden and disrespected. It simply does match the reality I see of empowered women who can do whatever they like {in a good sense} What's the view of the ladies here? | |||
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"Let's take that ridiculous argument about the US presidency for a moment How did we get two women presidents in a row? " Your opinions can only really seem to come from a place where your saying 'that's enough, you're fairly treated now' stop complaining. . In the US racism may have stopped being overtly enshrined in legislation in the late '60's but it would be niave to say that racism ended with that. Just overt' legal' racism. Same thing with sexism. I'm no white knight just seems strange that you so passionately assert that male privilege is completely eradicated. When woman tell you concerns specific to them, how do you respond? Is it 'supply me with indisputable facts or I'm not listening' lol | |||
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" Generally speaking men treat women like second class citizens. But here it is reversed. Here and on every swinging website. You normally speak a lot of sense but I really have to call you out on this BULLSHIT You just have a thwarted view of things. Give me real examples of how women are treated as second class citizens... Not your personal anecdotes " Or how their pay isn't equal... | |||
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" The sexes have some differing concerns. Not exactly mind blowing that that would be the case. Yes I agree which is why it can't be said that women are second class citizens. I could list examples about various situations where men have difficulty but its tiresome and boring. It's called life. We all have equal opportunities and I can't buy the idea that in 2016 that the majority of women are downtrodden and disrespected. It simply does match the reality I see of empowered women who can do whatever they like {in a good sense} What's the view of the ladies here? " Yeah that's a good point. .not second class citizens as such but citizens with many specific concerns that need listened to and addressing. So the fact that feminists have lobby groups and high profile soundboards is a good thing. Why should they not go on pushing their agenda, whatever that maybe. The fact you can point out and see highly empowered woman doesn't make all sexual politics null and void. . Men are definitely being challenged by that increased female empowerment, I think it's hard to deny that there is plenty of very obvious anger out there to that power shift | |||
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" The sexes have some differing concerns. Not exactly mind blowing that that would be the case. Yes I agree which is why it can't be said that women are second class citizens. I could list examples about various situations where men have difficulty but its tiresome and boring. It's called life. We all have equal opportunities and I can't buy the idea that in 2016 that the majority of women are downtrodden and disrespected. It simply does match the reality I see of empowered women who can do whatever they like {in a good sense} What's the view of the ladies here? " My view is that this argument is boring. | |||
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" The sexes have some differing concerns. Not exactly mind blowing that that would be the case. Yes I agree which is why it can't be said that women are second class citizens. I could list examples about various situations where men have difficulty but its tiresome and boring. It's called life. We all have equal opportunities and I can't buy the idea that in 2016 that the majority of women are downtrodden and disrespected. It simply does match the reality I see of empowered women who can do whatever they like {in a good sense} What's the view of the ladies here? My view is that this argument is boring." Shut up woman   | |||
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" The sexes have some differing concerns. Not exactly mind blowing that that would be the case. Yes I agree which is why it can't be said that women are second class citizens. I could list examples about various situations where men have difficulty but its tiresome and boring. It's called life. We all have equal opportunities and I can't buy the idea that in 2016 that the majority of women are downtrodden and disrespected. It simply does match the reality I see of empowered women who can do whatever they like {in a good sense} What's the view of the ladies here? My view is that this argument is boring. Shut up woman "More exciting now? | |||
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"Yeah there are all those manosphere muppets with their bro science... Who are thankfully in a tiny minority it's mostly US centric... just like 4th wave Feminism used to be. But there's a Ying/yang to it... More angry women create more angry men and that will be the case in Ireland if the rhetoric from Arrows and Co. festers. Drop the attitude and let's all get along. " Have to disagree with that. People have peace up in a pedestal like its what we should be striving for. Peace is death. Pretty much any advancement the world has ever known has emerged from conflict. So fight on I say. | |||
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" The sexes have some differing concerns. Not exactly mind blowing that that would be the case. Yes I agree which is why it can't be said that women are second class citizens. I could list examples about various situations where men have difficulty but its tiresome and boring. It's called life. We all have equal opportunities and I can't buy the idea that in 2016 that the majority of women are downtrodden and disrespected. It simply does match the reality I see of empowered women who can do whatever they like {in a good sense} What's the view of the ladies here? My view is that this argument is boring. Shut up woman " | |||
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" The sexes have some differing concerns. Not exactly mind blowing that that would be the case. Yes I agree which is why it can't be said that women are second class citizens. I could list examples about various situations where men have difficulty but its tiresome and boring. It's called life. We all have equal opportunities and I can't buy the idea that in 2016 that the majority of women are downtrodden and disrespected. It simply does match the reality I see of empowered women who can do whatever they like {in a good sense} What's the view of the ladies here? My view is that this argument is boring. Shut up woman
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"Let's take that ridiculous argument about the US presidency for a moment How did we get two women presidents in a row? Your opinions can only really seem to come from a place where your saying 'that's enough, you're fairly treated now' stop complaining. . In the US racism may have stopped being overtly enshrined in legislation in the late '60's but it would be niave to say that racism ended with that. Just overt' legal' racism. Same thing with sexism. I'm no white knight just seems strange that you so passionately assert that male privilege is completely eradicated. When woman tell you concerns specific to them, how do you respond? Is it 'supply me with indisputable facts or I'm not listening' lol " You are confusing me with a different group. My only privilege is that I was born in Ireland and that my parents worked hard to afford to send me to college. My only real beef with Feminism is the promotion of the idea that 1 in 4 or whatever of men are rapists and that there is a rape culture. It's a dangerous lie, typical of the post truth age of Internet gossip | |||
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"Yeah there are all those manosphere muppets with their bro science... Who are thankfully in a tiny minority it's mostly US centric... just like 4th wave Feminism used to be. But there's a Ying/yang to it... More angry women create more angry men and that will be the case in Ireland if the rhetoric from Arrows and Co. festers. Drop the attitude and let's all get along. " I have no idea what half those words mean | |||
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"Yeah there are all those manosphere muppets with their bro science... Who are thankfully in a tiny minority it's mostly US centric... just like 4th wave Feminism used to be. But there's a Ying/yang to it... More angry women create more angry men and that will be the case in Ireland if the rhetoric from Arrows and Co. festers. Drop the attitude and let's all get along. Have to disagree with that. People have peace up in a pedestal like its what we should be striving for. Peace is death. Pretty much any advancement the world has ever known has emerged from conflict. So fight on I say. " Good point but pick the right enemy | |||
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"Yeah there are all those manosphere muppets with their bro science... Who are thankfully in a tiny minority it's mostly US centric... just like 4th wave Feminism used to be. But there's a Ying/yang to it... More angry women create more angry men and that will be the case in Ireland if the rhetoric from Arrows and Co. festers. Drop the attitude and let's all get along. I have no idea what half those words mean" They mean I'm to blame for the war of the sexes. If you don't talk about it, it goes away. Apparently. | |||
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"Yeah there are all those manosphere muppets with their bro science... Who are thankfully in a tiny minority it's mostly US centric... just like 4th wave Feminism used to be. But there's a Ying/yang to it... More angry women create more angry men and that will be the case in Ireland if the rhetoric from Arrows and Co. festers. Drop the attitude and let's all get along. I have no idea what half those words meanThey mean I'm to blame for the war of the sexes. If you don't talk about it, it goes away. Apparently. " I am done with this topic. It was wwonderful.i also reported myself to the admin so hopefully I will get a forum ban | |||
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" You are confusing me with a different group. My only privilege is that I was born in Ireland and that my parents worked hard to afford to send me to college. My only real beef with Feminism is the promotion of the idea that 1 in 4 or whatever of men are rapists and that there is a rape culture. It's a dangerous lie, typical of the post truth age of Internet gossip " I haven't heard this said but as a woman I can tell you personally that I am not happy about where the man-woman sexual dynamic is going generally. It seems to be pulling towards a man-focussed realm again where women are just seen as objects by some men. | |||
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" You are confusing me with a different group. My only privilege is that I was born in Ireland and that my parents worked hard to afford to send me to college. My only real beef with Feminism is the promotion of the idea that 1 in 4 or whatever of men are rapists and that there is a rape culture. It's a dangerous lie, typical of the post truth age of Internet gossip I haven't heard this said but as a woman I can tell you personally that I am not happy about where the man-woman sexual dynamic is going generally. It seems to be pulling towards a man-focussed realm again where women are just seen as objects by some men. " It like starting wars in the middle east and then wondering some of them will give their life to bomb you Peace is the only answer | |||
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" You are confusing me with a different group. My only privilege is that I was born in Ireland and that my parents worked hard to afford to send me to college. My only real beef with Feminism is the promotion of the idea that 1 in 4 or whatever of men are rapists and that there is a rape culture. It's a dangerous lie, typical of the post truth age of Internet gossip I haven't heard this said but as a woman I can tell you personally that I am not happy about where the man-woman sexual dynamic is going generally. It seems to be pulling towards a man-focussed realm again where women are just seen as objects by some men. It like starting wars in the middle east and then wondering some of them will give their life to bomb you Peace is the only answer " How've you guys managed with that so far? | |||
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"Who are you guys? I think the mid to late 2000s were a golden age where everyone got along just fine... It was cool to be a metrosexual not a caveman and women didn't read books about getting beaten with sticks by a psychotic millionaire "You. Guys. Men. | |||
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" What's the gender breakdown of politicians? Is it 50/50? What's the gender breakdown of ceos? " what's the gender breakdown of teachers and nurses? Every time inequality is discussed, the lack of female politicians is thrown out as an example of inequality yet other female dominated jobs are blatantly and I suggest deliberately ignored in the discussion. Equality only to suit. | |||
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" What's the gender breakdown of politicians? Is it 50/50? What's the gender breakdown of ceos? what's the gender breakdown of teachers and nurses? Every time inequality is discussed, the lack of female politicians is thrown out as an example of inequality yet other female dominated jobs are blatantly and I suggest deliberately ignored in the discussion. Equality only to suit." politics is used because it is a powerful position. Women get Nurses and teachers apparently. Men get mechanics, pilots, soldiers, doctors, police, dentists, politicians, CEOs, engineers and I'm sure that I am missing lots. Be more informed | |||
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" What's the gender breakdown of politicians? Is it 50/50? What's the gender breakdown of ceos? what's the gender breakdown of teachers and nurses? Every time inequality is discussed, the lack of female politicians is thrown out as an example of inequality yet other female dominated jobs are blatantly and I suggest deliberately ignored in the discussion. Equality only to suit.politics is used because it is a powerful position. Women get Nurses and teachers apparently. Men get mechanics, pilots, soldiers, doctors, police, dentists, politicians, CEOs, engineers and I'm sure that I am missing lots. Be more informed " doesn't in any way answer my question but that's ok it didn't suit. But I shall be more informed. Ok. | |||
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" Just remember that you started out saying that women are justified in their online bullying because in the real world they are second class citizens It's my civic duty to argue against such a wild assertion It's been fun "show me where I justified any bullying? I explained the power dynamic as to why some women on a swing site use the power that men give them to reverse the roles that society has given them. | |||
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" My only real beef with Feminism is the promotion of the idea that 1 in 4 or whatever of men are rapists and that there is a rape culture. It's a dangerous lie, typical of the post truth age of Internet gossip " More misinformation. 1 in 4 isn't about rape. It's about domestic abuse. 1 in 4 people is abused by a partner. The majority are women. Abuse doest need to be physical. Mental abuse. Neglect. Gas lighting. These are all abuse too. You want me and people like me to be quiet. That we are rocking the boat. Making women angry.( Causing wars in the middle east ??). You are a prime example of male privilege. You want women to sit down and shut up. Stop complaining. Most women are doing fine. Be happy with it. Know their role in life. | |||
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" What's the gender breakdown of politicians? Is it 50/50? What's the gender breakdown of ceos? what's the gender breakdown of teachers and nurses? Every time inequality is discussed, the lack of female politicians is thrown out as an example of inequality yet other female dominated jobs are blatantly and I suggest deliberately ignored in the discussion. Equality only to suit.politics is used because it is a powerful position. Women get Nurses and teachers apparently. Men get mechanics, pilots, soldiers, doctors, police, dentists, politicians, CEOs, engineers and I'm sure that I am missing lots. Be more informed doesn't in any way answer my question but that's ok it didn't suit. But I shall be more informed. Ok." Your question was pointless. Is teaching female dominated? I am not sure it is. Is politics a male occupation? Don't you see the hypocrisy? | |||
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"Your exact words "The bullies on here, male or female are just that. Bullies. There are women who treat men like shit because of their genitals. Welcome to their world. That's what they have to deal with every day. Generally speaking men treat women like second class citizens." Where are you going with "women get" vs "men get"? .... People CHOOSE Your view of modern life is completely tainted and it's almost sexist how you pigeonhole a load of jobs into the" men get" bucket as if women can't do them or don't do them. " That's what I said. Where is it I am justifying bullying? Explaining behaviour isn't justifying it. I don't like bullys. I have no time for it. And again with the jobs, misrepresentation of what I was saying. I was pointing out the flaw in the other dudes logic. I feel sorry for you. Night night | |||
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" My only real beef with Feminism is the promotion of the idea that 1 in 4 or whatever of men are rapists and that there is a rape culture. It's a dangerous lie, typical of the post truth age of Internet gossip More misinformation. 1 in 4 isn't about rape. It's about domestic abuse. 1 in 4 people is abused by a partner. The majority are women. Abuse doest need to be physical. Mental abuse. Neglect. Gas lighting. These are all abuse too. You want me and people like me to be quiet. That we are rocking the boat. Making women angry.( Causing wars in the middle east ??). You are a prime example of male privilege. You want women to sit down and shut up. Stop complaining. Most women are doing fine. Be happy with it. Know their role in life. " That's just twisting my words. I just don't see a huge one sided societal issue where there is none. Every problem you are framing works both ways and applies to both sexes. I have an equal view on things where as you are massively sexist and biased. | |||
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"Your exact words "The bullies on here, male or female are just that. Bullies. There are women who treat men like shit because of their genitals. Welcome to their world. That's what they have to deal with every day. Generally speaking men treat women like second class citizens." Where are you going with "women get" vs "men get"? .... People CHOOSE Your view of modern life is completely tainted and it's almost sexist how you pigeonhole a load of jobs into the" men get" bucket as if women can't do them or don't do them. That's what I said. Where is it I am justifying bullying? Explaining behaviour isn't justifying it. I don't like bullys. I have no time for it. And again with the jobs, misrepresentation of what I was saying. I was pointing out the flaw in the other dudes logic. I feel sorry for you. Night night " "Welcome to their world" is an attempt to connect a reason to the bad behaviour... That's justification, especially in the context of your dramatic arguments about all the abuses against women | |||
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" What's the gender breakdown of politicians? Is it 50/50? What's the gender breakdown of ceos? what's the gender breakdown of teachers and nurses? Every time inequality is discussed, the lack of female politicians is thrown out as an example of inequality yet other female dominated jobs are blatantly and I suggest deliberately ignored in the discussion. Equality only to suit.politics is used because it is a powerful position. Women get Nurses and teachers apparently. Men get mechanics, pilots, soldiers, doctors, police, dentists, politicians, CEOs, engineers and I'm sure that I am missing lots. Be more informed doesn't in any way answer my question but that's ok it didn't suit. But I shall be more informed. Ok. Your question was pointless. Is teaching female dominated? I am not sure it is. Is politics a male occupation? Don't you see the hypocrisy? " is teaching female dominated? Yes. Is politics male dominated? Yes. Is nursing female dominated? Yes. Is childcare female dominated? Yes. Do you hear men complain that jobs are male or female orientated? No. Why? They'd be accused of being sexist but when women complain it's in the name of feminism. | |||
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" You are a prime example of male privilege. " What does that even mean? Tell me what advantages do I have over my sister?.. Or have you just drank the koolaid and it's a nice buzzword? | |||
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" What's the gender breakdown of politicians? Is it 50/50? What's the gender breakdown of ceos? what's the gender breakdown of teachers and nurses? Every time inequality is discussed, the lack of female politicians is thrown out as an example of inequality yet other female dominated jobs are blatantly and I suggest deliberately ignored in the discussion. Equality only to suit.politics is used because it is a powerful position. Women get Nurses and teachers apparently. Men get mechanics, pilots, soldiers, doctors, police, dentists, politicians, CEOs, engineers and I'm sure that I am missing lots. Be more informed doesn't in any way answer my question but that's ok it didn't suit. But I shall be more informed. Ok. Your question was pointless. Is teaching female dominated? I am not sure it is. Is politics a male occupation? Don't you see the hypocrisy? is teaching female dominated? Yes. Is politics male dominated? Yes. Is nursing female dominated? Yes. Is childcare female dominated? Yes. Do you hear men complain that jobs are male or female orientated? No. Why? They'd be accused of being sexist but when women complain it's in the name of feminism." Best of all... Binmen
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" What's the gender breakdown of politicians? Is it 50/50? What's the gender breakdown of ceos? what's the gender breakdown of teachers and nurses? Every time inequality is discussed, the lack of female politicians is thrown out as an example of inequality yet other female dominated jobs are blatantly and I suggest deliberately ignored in the discussion. Equality only to suit.politics is used because it is a powerful position. Women get Nurses and teachers apparently. Men get mechanics, pilots, soldiers, doctors, police, dentists, politicians, CEOs, engineers and I'm sure that I am missing lots. Be more informed doesn't in any way answer my question but that's ok it didn't suit. But I shall be more informed. Ok. Your question was pointless. Is teaching female dominated? I am not sure it is. Is politics a male occupation? Don't you see the hypocrisy? is teaching female dominated? Yes. Is politics male dominated? Yes. Is nursing female dominated? Yes. Is childcare female dominated? Yes. Do you hear men complain that jobs are male or female orientated? No. Why? They'd be accused of being sexist but when women complain it's in the name of feminism. Best of all... Binmen
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"The big part everyone is missing is that people can choose to do any job they want... There is no one forcing anyone down a certain path or holding a big "no vaginas" allowed sign at the entrance. There is a reason most women distance themselves from this style of feminism... It's total horseshit and the arguments don't hold up, please they are fairly friendly with lots of lovely men " I know a young lady who went down the road of doing a joinery apprenticeship when all around her were doing beauty.. Some because they wanted to I'm sure but plenty others because it's the done thing. That young lady had to face ridicule both sides and real dig her heels in order to stick it out. Yes male nurses are ridiculed and it's hard for a man to do any job with young kids because of negative connotations but where you seem to be getting confused is the majority of feminist thinkers want to blur those lines as much possible. So their agendas would help move things in the opposite direction as well. More fluidity between the sexes and that always good | |||
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"The big part everyone is missing is that people can choose to do any job they want... There is no one forcing anyone down a certain path or holding a big "no vaginas" allowed sign at the entrance. There is a reason most women distance themselves from this style of feminism... It's total horseshit and the arguments don't hold up, please they are fairly friendly with lots of lovely men I know a young lady who went down the road of doing a joinery apprenticeship when all around her were doing beauty.. Some because they wanted to I'm sure but plenty others because it's the done thing. That young lady had to face ridicule both sides and real dig her heels in order to stick it out. Yes male nurses are ridiculed and it's hard for a man to do any job with young kids because of negative connotations but where you seem to be getting confused is the majority of feminist thinkers want to blur those lines as much possible. So their agendas would help move things in the opposite direction as well. More fluidity between the sexes and that always good "I agree with that approach to a point. Live and let live, so long as it doesn't double blur into trying to remove masculine/feminine pronouns so that we can all be asexual in our sameness (this is happening in Sweden) | |||
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"To explain that obscure point they are trying to ban he/she/his/her as they are Words of mass offense and are too "gendered"... Eh, that's the point! " Yeah I think there's a line. And there's a big difference between ridiculing someone and telling them a certain career path or lifestyle choice is not appropriate for them as apposed to being so open minded that you may have to consider someone's feelings surrounding speech that is in no way offensive or intended as a put down | |||
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" My only real beef with Feminism is the promotion of the idea that 1 in 4 or whatever of men are rapists and that there is a rape culture. It's a dangerous lie, typical of the post truth age of Internet gossip More misinformation. 1 in 4 isn't about rape. It's about domestic abuse. 1 in 4 people is abused by a partner. The majority are women. Abuse doest need to be physical. Mental abuse. Neglect. Gas lighting. These are all abuse too. You want me and people like me to be quiet. That we are rocking the boat. Making women angry.( Causing wars in the middle east ??). You are a prime example of male privilege. You want women to sit down and shut up. Stop complaining. Most women are doing fine. Be happy with it. Know their role in life. " I in 4 was actually the male group set up for men abused by clerics. Unfortunately as far as I can recall it's been disbanded. Funding issues etc. (not the fraud kind). As for women it's actually 1 in 3. That are subject to some kind of sexual assault | |||
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"it's hard for a man to do any job with young kids because of negative connotations pthat is a rather disgusting reality of life isn't it." Well it's sad but true. | |||
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"it's hard for a man to do any job with young kids because of negative connotations pthat is a rather disgusting reality of life isn't it. Well it's sad but true. " I think it's more the work of hysteria than real threat | |||
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"I kinda like insults. It shows how imaginative people can be. Where've you been ya moose knuckled looking culchie? "Long story. Suffice it to say, needed some space. Definitely a case of "it's not you, it's me" | |||
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"I kinda like insults. It shows how imaginative people can be. Where've you been ya moose knuckled looking culchie?
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"I'm amazed. Someone commented on this thread that their daughters assume they need to marry rich husbands to be looked after and "they got that from the TV not from me " I had to read that several times to believe it was actually said. Oh My Fucking God!!!!" Not really getting your shock level. Seems a bit OTT. Are saying TV is not a cultural influence? It's pretty bad his daughters had that assumption but that's implied in the comment already | |||
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"I'm amazed. Someone commented on this thread that their daughters assume they need to marry rich husbands to be looked after and "they got that from the TV not from me " I had to read that several times to believe it was actually said. Oh My Fucking God!!!!" Good on you for reading the whole thread! | |||
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" Tell me in factual terms how women are second class citizens in Ireland. *Ahem* the 8th amendment. " not really applicable in a conversation about equality considering men can't get abortions... | |||
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" Tell me in factual terms how women are second class citizens in Ireland. *Ahem* the 8th amendment. not really applicable in a conversation about equality considering men can't get abortions... " The right to choose | |||
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"Your exact words "The bullies on here, male or female are just that. Bullies. There are women who treat men like shit because of their genitals. Welcome to their world. That's what they have to deal with every day. Generally speaking men treat women like second class citizens." Where are you going with "women get" vs "men get"? .... People CHOOSE Your view of modern life is completely tainted and it's almost sexist how you pigeonhole a load of jobs into the" men get" bucket as if women can't do them or don't do them. That's what I said. Where is it I am justifying bullying? Explaining behaviour isn't justifying it. I don't like bullys. I have no time for it. And again with the jobs, misrepresentation of what I was saying. I was pointing out the flaw in the other dudes logic. I feel sorry for you. Night night " What a load of old codswallop. | |||
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" Tell me in factual terms how women are second class citizens in Ireland. *Ahem* the 8th amendment. . Ahem bandwagon Not having the option to kill babies does not a second class citizen make But I agree that the law needs some work in that area " Body autonomy is considered a human right. Women don't have that right. | |||
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"But you have autonomy to not get pregnant I'm just having the craic here now, I honestly don't know my own stance on the matter, mixed feeling. I have some adopted friends who are glad they weren't aborted. So for the fun or argument... Is the babies body yours or its own? When does it get human rights of autonomy? " Oh fook That's a conversation | |||
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"But you have autonomy to not get pregnant " Not in cases of rape. Plus pregnancy happens at times, despite precautions. I should be able to decide the outcome. And I'm not getting into the debate over when life begins. I have my own personal opinion on it, but that's going completely off topic. The bottom line is that in a lot of situations women are treated unequal and unfairly and it's bullshit in this day and age. | |||
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"As the male half of the couple I must say I love threads like this for 2 reasons. So many men remove themselves from consideration by ladies and therefore lessen the male swing pool And secondly my wife and I gets a fair idea of the knobs and knobettes before wasting time in mail ping pong. Win win situation for us tbh " | |||
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"That's not the bottom line at all, that is just your opinion which I believe is heavily influenced by the media " Based on what? Your knowledge of me, my background, my personal circumstances, my work, my political and moral values? Oh wait.... No. So don't assume you know how or why my opinion is formed, thanks. | |||
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"OK fair enough I shouldn't jump to conclusions sorry. I don't think what you are saying is factual though. " Not in cases of rape. Plus pregnancy happens at times, despite precautions. I should be able to decide the outcome. How is that comment not a fact? | |||
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" Body autonomy is considered a human right. Women don't have that right. " Well in fairness we only have limited autonomy. We can't legally use certain drugs, we can't kill ourselves, if you self harm you might be committed because of it, having to wear helmets on motorcycles etc. Not that these are analogous to whether women have the right to abortion, I just always find it an odd argument to make when as society we've always legislated that there are limits to your own bodily autonomy. | |||
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"But you have autonomy to not get pregnant I'm just having the craic here now, I honestly don't know my own stance on the matter, mixed feeling. I have some adopted friends who are glad they weren't aborted. So for the fun or argument... Is the babies body yours or its own? When does it get human rights of autonomy? " It's not a baby though. It's a foetus. A baby is from birth until 2years old when it becomes a toddler | |||
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"I said above that law needs some work, obviously in cases of rape. I wasn't contesting the abortion stuff, the bottom line.. In other words on balance that women are treated unfairly is the bit I don't think is correct " You're obsessed with facts mate. With no regard for the 'Fact' there are very few facts. Perspective is God. When a revolution occurs its not because the populace weighed up all the 'facts' it is because of a ground swell of opinion. Enough people feel that something must change and by and large it does. Woman ate obviously much better treated than they were 100 years ago.. Even 50 years ago. But if you can acknowledge that women in the west went through a process of emerging from great disadvantage throughout the 20th century,and I trust you can acknowledge this, how can you pronounce with all certainty that the finish line has been reached. Working class men are disadvantaged in some ways. Black people in some cultures, woman in most cultures. All those listed need their leaders to lobby their interests. You like a lot of others seem to specifically take issue with those lobbying in women's interest | |||
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"Your points had legitimacy in the 70s when Feminism had a purpose Lets make it simple... We will leave out the 'elite'.... (As an aside a very interesting stat is the is no wage gap between Male or female CEOs... Just think about it for a while) But anyway... No politicians or CEOs... Tell me in factual terms how women are second class citizens in Ireland. And ladies I'd love to know if you feel like second class citizens? " Absolutely not! | |||
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"But you have autonomy to not get pregnant I'm just having the craic here now, I honestly don't know my own stance on the matter, mixed feeling. I have some adopted friends who are glad they weren't aborted. So for the fun or argument... Is the babies body yours or its own? When does it get human rights of autonomy? It's not a baby though. It's a foetus. A baby is from birth until 2years old when it becomes a toddler " It's semantics Potential human then | |||
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"I said above that law needs some work, obviously in cases of rape. I wasn't contesting the abortion stuff, the bottom line.. In other words on balance that women are treated unfairly is the bit I don't think is correct You're obsessed with facts mate. With no regard for the 'Fact' there are very few facts. Perspective is God. When a revolution occurs its not because the populace weighed up all the 'facts' it is because of a ground swell of opinion. Enough people feel that something must change and by and large it does. Woman ate obviously much better treated than they were 100 years ago.. Even 50 years ago. But if you can acknowledge that women in the west went through a process of emerging from great disadvantage throughout the 20th century,and I trust you can acknowledge this, how can you pronounce with all certainty that the finish line has been reached. Working class men are disadvantaged in some ways. Black people in some cultures, woman in most cultures. All those listed need their leaders to lobby their interests. You like a lot of others seem to specifically take issue with those lobbying in women's interest " When you look at style of lobbying and the degree of false facts used in that process it's hard not to take issue. I know what are you saying... But on some level there has to be a sense check of what is essentially propaganda. What is more valid fact or feeling? Case in point the various taglines about 1 in X are rapists or abusers. All designed to incite rage. Or the one carefully dissected above about body autonomy rights. Or the anti scientific notion that gender is purely a function of socialisation. | |||
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"Your points had legitimacy in the 70s when Feminism had a purpose Lets make it simple... We will leave out the 'elite'.... (As an aside a very interesting stat is the is no wage gap between Male or female CEOs... Just think about it for a while) But anyway... No politicians or CEOs... Tell me in factual terms how women are second class citizens in Ireland. And ladies I'd love to know if you feel like second class citizens? Absolutely not! "Nor me, but then victimhood can also be a choice. | |||
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"I disagree with the op. I find it pathetic that he is victim blaming. Pathetic but not surprising. When I was 10 I called up the operator and called her a fucking bitch. I hung up, proud of my bad ass-ness. I put her in her place, real good. When she called back I lost my shit, nearly pissed myself and learned a valuable life lesson. She told me, if I hung up she would call back every day until she got my mum or dad, so I listened to what she said. Boiled down, respect women and don't be a coward. If you want to say something bad do it face to face. There are a lot of insecure people on here. Men and women. Not a shocker to anyone bothering to read this. The insecure women learn that they are attractive to most of the people on here and they are given a place of privilege. Which they use. The men learn that no one is impressed with their cock and that they are seen as a pest in most cases. An inconvenience almost. They are objectified, emasculated, and ignored. This is not what men are used to. Some emotionally stunted men resort to abuse to "reclaim" their power. They lash out at people who seem happy because they want to have an impact. Any impact. And like the cowards that they are they do it hiding behind a profile on the Internet. None of them would dare say anything like this in real life. Ironically the behaviour that op is complaining about is just male privilege being used by women. How dare you ignore me because I have a cock. Can you not see it standing there in all its glory! Marvel at it woman! Be astounded by its turgence! You are extremely attractive. I will let you touch my penis if you beg correctly. Internet tough guy who blames the victims is in reality an insecure man child who is desperate to make any sort of impact. Just like the people of both sexes who send nasty messages." | |||
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"Your points had legitimacy in the 70s when Feminism had a purpose Lets make it simple... We will leave out the 'elite'.... (As an aside a very interesting stat is the is no wage gap between Male or female CEOs... Just think about it for a while) But anyway... No politicians or CEOs... Tell me in factual terms how women are second class citizens in Ireland. And ladies I'd love to know if you feel like second class citizens? Absolutely not!
Nor me, but then victimhood can also be a choice."That's a nice point about victim hood. It's convenient to have a scapegoat for many. | |||
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" You're obsessed with facts mate. With no regard for the 'Fact' there are very few facts. Perspective is God. " Perspective is important but peoples perspective should be shaped by facts. There are plenty of facts and the idea that opinions are equal to facts is ridiculous and dangerous. Facts allow us to make the right decisions that benefit everyone and when we ignore them in favour of opinions then we're making worse decisions. When it comes to making decisions that effect the country we should be obsessed with facts. We should be obsessed with getting accurate, unbiased and correct media reporting on the issues that effect us and the rest of the country. The idea that being focused on facts is a bad thing shows how much trouble we're in as a society. | |||
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" You're obsessed with facts mate. With no regard for the 'Fact' there are very few facts. Perspective is God. Perspective is important but peoples perspective should be shaped by facts. There are plenty of facts and the idea that opinions are equal to facts is ridiculous and dangerous. Facts allow us to make the right decisions that benefit everyone and when we ignore them in favour of opinions then we're making worse decisions. When it comes to making decisions that effect the country we should be obsessed with facts. We should be obsessed with getting accurate, unbiased and correct media reporting on the issues that effect us and the rest of the country. The idea that being focused on facts is a bad thing shows how much trouble we're in as a society. " As far I know Newtown came up with a few facts. Most others are coloured by some kind of bias. You'll be searching a long time before you find otherwise | |||
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"It isn't very surprising that some people get rude messages.Most of it comes from the way certain people treat there fellow fab users and especially the forum users. its not newbies that are rude. its the keyboard warriors with nothing better to do with there time that provokes other forum users to react in a negative way. " Correct me if I'm wrong but I believed you are the rudest man on site. | |||
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" You're obsessed with facts mate. With no regard for the 'Fact' there are very few facts. Perspective is God. Perspective is important but peoples perspective should be shaped by facts. There are plenty of facts and the idea that opinions are equal to facts is ridiculous and dangerous. Facts allow us to make the right decisions that benefit everyone and when we ignore them in favour of opinions then we're making worse decisions. When it comes to making decisions that effect the country we should be obsessed with facts. We should be obsessed with getting accurate, unbiased and correct media reporting on the issues that effect us and the rest of the country. The idea that being focused on facts is a bad thing shows how much trouble we're in as a society. As far I know Newtown came up with a few facts. Most others are coloured by some kind of bias. You'll be searching a long time before you find otherwise " I'm struggling to get your point. What is the alternative? The point I have been making and I believe expertlyrics has been making too is that bias is the problem. Bias based on false beliefs, derived from false facts put out there by people with their own self serving agendas. What's your stance on creationism and climate change? Do you value honesty? | |||
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" You're obsessed with facts mate. With no regard for the 'Fact' there are very few facts. Perspective is God. Perspective is important but peoples perspective should be shaped by facts. There are plenty of facts and the idea that opinions are equal to facts is ridiculous and dangerous. Facts allow us to make the right decisions that benefit everyone and when we ignore them in favour of opinions then we're making worse decisions. When it comes to making decisions that effect the country we should be obsessed with facts. We should be obsessed with getting accurate, unbiased and correct media reporting on the issues that effect us and the rest of the country. The idea that being focused on facts is a bad thing shows how much trouble we're in as a society. As far I know Newtown came up with a few facts. Most others are coloured by some kind of bias. You'll be searching a long time before you find otherwise " Newton discovered a few things. Newtown is a place where a school shooting happened and some people ignore all the facts around it and favour their opinions that it was a government hoax. A typo but a pretty appropriate one. Most things are facts, free from bias. There are some issues that are fact that are skewed in the publics mind by bias, but that doesnt make them any less of a fact. And there are some things that are purely down to opinion. What rights people should have is a matter of opinion. The effects those rights have can be measured to a large degree and those are facts. For example its an opinion that consenting adults should be able to marry each other. Its a fact that legalising gay marriage didnt throw the country into turmoil and God didnt unleash wave after wave of plagues on the countries that did it. | |||
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"Facts around someone believing themselves to be disadvantaged?? You'll find it hard to get cast iron facts. Someone will always be able to dispute those claims. Regardless of statistics. The statistics can be manipulated or disputed or called inaccurate. My point is when you have someone saying 'Give me facts' that person will not be satisfied with whatever you produce. His mind is made up already. That has been evidenced in this thread. The populace are not swayed by facts anyway. They are emotionally manipulated and convinced by media spin. Better they are manipulated towards supporting the disadvantaged rather than stepping on them. If there's a murder tomorrow witnessed by five people you may get five slight variations on the same event. This is my point. Most 'facts' are simply the story told by those with the most influence and the strongest will " I think it was about a year ago that a billionaire was on tv in America saying that billionaires were the most persecuted group in America. Now he may still believe that but the facts clearly say he's wrong. Its not a matter of a point of view. Billionaires aren't getting assaulted because of who they are, they aren't denied opportunities because of who they are and they arent getting killed for it either. Its comforting to say facts dont matter because then you can believe whatever bullshit you want as long as it makes you happy. Thats the refuge of the idiot. To create a world where theyre always right, none of their opinions can be challenged and they never evolve their opinions or learn anything new because they knew everything they needed to know all along. 5 people who witness a murder might notice and remember little details wrong. But in the case where a man walked into a crowded pub and shot someone no one disputed the facts that it had happened. Those werent opinions, there were facts. And yes some might have noticed the jacket but not the gun, or his height but not so much his weight. But they dont confuse the shooting for a secret santa gift exchange. I find it ironic that the people who are most resistant to having their opinions changed are the ones that say facts dont matter, that they arent going to back up their argument and even if they did it wouldnt matter because no one changes their mind anyway. In truth they believe no one is open to changing their mind because they themselves arent open to it. And no manipulating people with lies isnt justified because you believe your standing up for the oppressed. If youre right and what youre standing up for matters and needs to be changed then people will agree with you because youre right. If yoy have to lie to get people to agree with you then maybe thats an unspoken admission that actually youre in the wrong. | |||
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