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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Opinions please do kids get too much these days. I am 29 no kids myself thank god but had a discussion with a friend the other night about what her 16 yr old asked for xmas she proceeds to tell me that she is giving her a 10 day holiday 3 places paris,vienna and barcelona. I kinda stopped and went hmmmm ok so thats what she's getting my friend then says ahhh il get her a few other bits too .Now my friend hasnt won the lotto and she's a lone parent and has done a great job raising her daughter but the child is demanding and very much a diva so as stated above do kids get too much or is it just me that thinks get a grip a 10 day holiday there are bills to be paid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The more you give in to their demands the more they expect! Thankfully not all children are demanding, I'm blessed with one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mine are a lot younger but once Santa is no more thetes not a chance they'd be getting all that...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Ladies i just dont get it i fear for the grown up that the child will become i get santa when they are little but at 16 and not tell the child i have bills coming outa me ear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My parents sent me to America once.....one way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wait till you have kids I think. You'll be wanting to give them the world too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Wait till you have kids I think. You'll be wanting to give them the world too. "
No im sorry i wont i like to teach my children the value of money because in the big bad world you have to work for what you have and the bills come before a 10 day trip

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wait till you have kids I think. You'll be wanting to give them the world too. No im sorry i wont i like to teach my children the value of money because in the big bad world you have to work for what you have and the bills come before a 10 day trip "

Ah but you don't have any yet. What we plan and what we do are two different things. Best of luck though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's down to how the parent's are raising their kids. You can be born into a position where your parents can give you anything and you would be thankful for your blessings. You can be brought up with barely a warm meal provided and have as much thanks for what you have.

If your friend is raising a diva then it's down to her. I think the Mum needs to get a grip. She's enabling bratish behaviour and diva like demands then there lies the problem in my opinion x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person "

I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Wait till you have kids I think. You'll be wanting to give them the world too. No im sorry i wont i like to teach my children the value of money because in the big bad world you have to work for what you have and the bills come before a 10 day trip

Ah but you don't have any yet. What we plan and what we do are two different things. Best of luck though."

Hmmmm ye as i said il be raising my children very differently

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's down to how the parent's are raising their kids. You can be born into a position where your parents can give you anything and you would be thankful for your blessings. You can be brought up with barely a warm meal provided and have as much thanks for what you have.

If your friend is raising a diva then it's down to her. I think the Mum needs to get a grip. She's enabling bratish behaviour and diva like demands then there lies the problem in my opinion x"

I agree the child is a diva completely her mother wears max factor make up while her daughter weres inglot .mac etc something not quite right about that but thats just my opinion

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

My ten yr old wants a iphone 7 and tickets to Disneyland Paris from santa

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My ten yr old wants a iphone 7 and tickets to Disneyland Paris from santa "
I know another child 11 getting i phone 6

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's down to how the parent's are raising their kids. You can be born into a position where your parents can give you anything and you would be thankful for your blessings. You can be brought up with barely a warm meal provided and have as much thanks for what you have.

If your friend is raising a diva then it's down to her. I think the Mum needs to get a grip. She's enabling bratish behaviour and diva like demands then there lies the problem in my opinion x I agree the child is a diva completely her mother wears max factor make up while her daughter weres inglot .mac etc something not quite right about that but thats just my opinion"

Op you seem to be painting your friend as a martyr and child as demon...the point being made above was that the child's attitude was a direct result of the parenting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I'm a parent and from my perspective I would balance it out. Say if she had done really well in school exams and was helping me out at home that would be her reward.

Maybe compromise. I would pay the holiday if she had saved spending money or something like that.

My little one is young, I try to get her to understand she can't have everything. Easier said than done though.

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By *imeoutaloneMan
over a year ago

Dublin to Westmeath

My little one surprised me the other day with such a grown up comment from someone so young when we was talking about santa the other day.

She reeled off the list of things she would "like" and it was small very small, and I asked if there was anything else she would like as it surprised me a little. Her response was no thats it, I get more than enough as it is and santa has far more people to see. She's 7.

Yes I would like to give her the world if she asked, she's content. (for now)

Yes she has me wrapped like most children do with their parents, but she compromises with the best of them.

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money ."

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My little one surprised me the other day with such a grown up comment from someone so young when we was talking about santa the other day.

She reeled off the list of things she would "like" and it was small very small, and I asked if there was anything else she would like as it surprised me a little. Her response was no thats it, I get more than enough as it is and santa has far more people to see. She's 7.

Yes I would like to give her the world if she asked, she's content. (for now)

Yes she has me wrapped like most children do with their parents, but she compromises with the best of them."

Beautiful example

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By *ndrew1972Man
over a year ago

Roscrea


"Mine are a lot younger but once Santa is no more thetes not a chance they'd be getting all that... "

What are planning to do to Santa???

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work "

I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My little one surprised me the other day with such a grown up comment from someone so young when we was talking about santa the other day.

She reeled off the list of things she would "like" and it was small very small, and I asked if there was anything else she would like as it surprised me a little. Her response was no thats it, I get more than enough as it is and santa has far more people to see. She's 7.

Yes I would like to give her the world if she asked, she's content. (for now)

Yes she has me wrapped like most children do with their parents, but she compromises with the best of them."

Brilliant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The word no is an acceptable answer worldwide and for my kids they get no for.many things cos money doesnt.grow on trees but when it's a yes they are grateful for the most part.

And if they weren't grateful the answer next time they ask for.something it'll be a.no

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The word no is an acceptable answer worldwide and for my kids they get no for.many things cos money doesnt.grow on trees but when it's a yes they are grateful for the most part.

And if they weren't grateful the answer next time they ask for.something it'll be a.no "

Love it id be the same totally agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own"

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That child needs few prized possessions taken away from them for few weeks and let them see reality of what some people see

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues."

I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Opinions please do kids get too much these days. I am 29 no kids myself thank god but had a discussion with a friend the other night about what her 16 yr old asked for xmas she proceeds to tell me that she is giving her a 10 day holiday 3 places paris,vienna and barcelona. I kinda stopped and went hmmmm ok so thats what she's getting my friend then says ahhh il get her a few other bits too .Now my friend hasnt won the lotto and she's a lone parent and has done a great job raising her daughter but the child is demanding and very much a diva so as stated above do kids get too much or is it just me that thinks get a grip a 10 day holiday there are bills to be paid."

Did the mother tell you she couldn't afford to be so generous, or are you just thinking it?

To me, a ten day holiday is a huge gift, but if the woman has been saving for Christmas and is able to be so generous, then why not? That daughter will be out in the big bad world soon enough, and will very quickly discover that money doesn't grow on trees and that bills need to be paid regardless of that.

If I could do it for mine, I'd give them the world, but I can't and they understand that. I don't think it's anybody else's place to judge how a mother spends her money on her child.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Opinions please do kids get too much these days. I am 29 no kids myself thank god but had a discussion with a friend the other night about what her 16 yr old asked for xmas she proceeds to tell me that she is giving her a 10 day holiday 3 places paris,vienna and barcelona. I kinda stopped and went hmmmm ok so thats what she's getting my friend then says ahhh il get her a few other bits too .Now my friend hasnt won the lotto and she's a lone parent and has done a great job raising her daughter but the child is demanding and very much a diva so as stated above do kids get too much or is it just me that thinks get a grip a 10 day holiday there are bills to be paid.

Did the mother tell you she couldn't afford to be so generous, or are you just thinking it?

To me, a ten day holiday is a huge gift, but if the woman has been saving for Christmas and is able to be so generous, then why not? That daughter will be out in the big bad world soon enough, and will very quickly discover that money doesn't grow on trees and that bills need to be paid regardless of that.

If I could do it for mine, I'd give them the world, but I can't and they understand that. I don't think it's anybody else's place to judge how a mother spends her money on her child. "

I know she has alot of bills she is constantly saying shes broke she owes ths that etc

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By *rpharmacist50Man
over a year ago

magherafelt

we all have plans on how we are going to rear our little darlings ... before we have them.

the problem is that plan goes out of the window when we have them.

there is no manual or magic formula for raising children, I have three and they are all wonderfully difficult in their own way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands "

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"we all have plans on how we are going to rear our little darlings ... before we have them.

the problem is that plan goes out of the window when we have them.

there is no manual or magic formula for raising children, I have three and they are all wonderfully difficult in their own way."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

"

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The "child" is only 16. Is it a school trip she's going on? Is her mother going too? I'm sorry but if she's going with a gang of friends without adult supervision, regardless how mature she is for her age I'd be having words with your friend..

Presume most have seen the film Taken... not I hope in hell I would have let my daughters as teenagers galavant around Europe...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Presumably the woman is going herself on this holiday, OP? In which case, it's a family holiday in my book.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Presumably the woman is going herself on this holiday, OP? In which case, it's a family holiday in my book."
She actually didnt say and i was so shocked i never thought to ask

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By *isdirtygirlWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

My eldest daughter is 27. From the time the hormones kicked in and the demands became more frequent, I sat her down just after she turned 16 ,and told her one thing.If she wanted the latest fashion or latest make up and whatever else, and since she wanted the make up and felt she was old enough to wear make up, that she should get a part time job and earn it! And she did,without it affecting her schoolwork! I gave her the option of a compromise. Schoolwork came first and if she was short of money for things she wanted, her dad and i would give her the difference. The same applied to my 2 boys and theyre 19 and 24 now. Ive a 10 year old daughter and while ill do my best to give her whatever she needs, a no sometimes isnt a bad thing and the same will apply to her. Theyre going to be adults for a lot longer than they are children. Giving into every demand a child makes is a kop out and poor parenting in my view. Nobody is going to hand them anything on a silver platter when adulthood rears its ugly head and mommy and daddy arent there to give them their demands.

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over a year ago


"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya "

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

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Ive 3boys under the age of 10. I told them they will get whatever Santa thinks they deserve .. (bad behavior,not doing their chores,how well they do in school)

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"My eldest daughter is 27. From the time the hormones kicked in and the demands became more frequent, I sat her down just after she turned 16 ,and told her one thing.If she wanted the latest fashion or latest make up and whatever else, and since she wanted the make up and felt she was old enough to wear make up, that she should get a part time job and earn it! And she did,without it affecting her schoolwork! I gave her the option of a compromise. Schoolwork came first and if she was short of money for things she wanted, her dad and i would give her the difference. The same applied to my 2 boys and theyre 19 and 24 now. Ive a 10 year old daughter and while ill do my best to give her whatever she needs, a no sometimes isnt a bad thing and the same will apply to her. Theyre going to be adults for a lot longer than they are children. Giving into every demand a child makes is a kop out and poor parenting in my view. Nobody is going to hand them anything on a silver platter when adulthood rears its ugly head and mommy and daddy arent there to give them their demands. "
Well said lady

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over a year ago


"Ive 3boys under the age of 10. I told them they will get whatever Santa thinks they deserve .. (bad behavior,not doing their chores,how well they do in school)

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Totally agree

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over a year ago


"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

"

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

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over a year ago

Rolling back the years, Meccano set, kept me out of harm's way for hours, days, weeks and months

To answer your question op.. I don't have children plenty of nephews and nieces though, have given then presents and money over the years..

Once they grow up knowing the difference between value of life vs value of money is the main thing in my humble opinion..

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"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation"

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture.

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over a year ago


"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture. "

i dont know i was so shocked i never asked her if it was a family holiday

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over a year ago

Msybe her mother feels, as I do, that travel is the best education and thst it is money well spent.

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"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture. i dont know i was so shocked i never asked her if it was a family holiday"

I understand that but would be very surprised if it was a solo trip at the age of 16 so on those grounds will guess it is a family holiday.

Can't fault the mother for that, if it is the case. Yes her daughter sounds privileged and from what you say she is unappreciative and the mother gives her too much right up to the point of struggling to pay bills....a 16 year old that wants to holiday with their parent and a parent that wants to holiday with their teenager.... clearly shows a good bond between them and while she comes across to you as spoilt or unappreciative, I am guessing that they do have a good bond and that somewhere that 16 year old recognises the sacrifices her mother makes for her and while she doesn't appear understanding in your eye's am guessing she loves her mom back as much as mom loves her.

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"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture. i dont know i was so shocked i never asked her if it was a family holiday

I understand that but would be very surprised if it was a solo trip at the age of 16 so on those grounds will guess it is a family holiday.

Can't fault the mother for that, if it is the case. Yes her daughter sounds privileged and from what you say she is unappreciative and the mother gives her too much right up to the point of struggling to pay bills....a 16 year old that wants to holiday with their parent and a parent that wants to holiday with their teenager.... clearly shows a good bond between them and while she comes across to you as spoilt or unappreciative, I am guessing that they do have a good bond and that somewhere that 16 year old recognises the sacrifices her mother makes for her and while she doesn't appear understanding in your eye's am guessing she loves her mom back as much as mom loves her. "

Totally agree. Don't underestimate the teenage hormones either.

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"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture. i dont know i was so shocked i never asked her if it was a family holiday

I understand that but would be very surprised if it was a solo trip at the age of 16 so on those grounds will guess it is a family holiday.

Can't fault the mother for that, if it is the case. Yes her daughter sounds privileged and from what you say she is unappreciative and the mother gives her too much right up to the point of struggling to pay bills....a 16 year old that wants to holiday with their parent and a parent that wants to holiday with their teenager.... clearly shows a good bond between them and while she comes across to you as spoilt or unappreciative, I am guessing that they do have a good bond and that somewhere that 16 year old recognises the sacrifices her mother makes for her and while she doesn't appear understanding in your eye's am guessing she loves her mom back as much as mom loves her.

Totally agree. Don't underestimate the teenage hormones either.

"

I call it the tunnel year's....your lovely child goes in and fingers crossed that they come out a relatively decent adult. The Harry Enfield hormone year's are a nightmare at times but we get occasional reminders that they are human lol

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"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture. i dont know i was so shocked i never asked her if it was a family holiday

I understand that but would be very surprised if it was a solo trip at the age of 16 so on those grounds will guess it is a family holiday.

Can't fault the mother for that, if it is the case. Yes her daughter sounds privileged and from what you say she is unappreciative and the mother gives her too much right up to the point of struggling to pay bills....a 16 year old that wants to holiday with their parent and a parent that wants to holiday with their teenager.... clearly shows a good bond between them and while she comes across to you as spoilt or unappreciative, I am guessing that they do have a good bond and that somewhere that 16 year old recognises the sacrifices her mother makes for her and while she doesn't appear understanding in your eye's am guessing she loves her mom back as much as mom loves her. "

Ahhh sure thats the main thing isnt it in the real world it doesnt work like that or she will be a gold digger and thats ok too im guessing. Funny when her mother was dating the child didnt like any of the bfs whch werent many over the years so yes her mother has sacrificed alot .

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"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture. i dont know i was so shocked i never asked her if it was a family holiday

I understand that but would be very surprised if it was a solo trip at the age of 16 so on those grounds will guess it is a family holiday.

Can't fault the mother for that, if it is the case. Yes her daughter sounds privileged and from what you say she is unappreciative and the mother gives her too much right up to the point of struggling to pay bills....a 16 year old that wants to holiday with their parent and a parent that wants to holiday with their teenager.... clearly shows a good bond between them and while she comes across to you as spoilt or unappreciative, I am guessing that they do have a good bond and that somewhere that 16 year old recognises the sacrifices her mother makes for her and while she doesn't appear understanding in your eye's am guessing she loves her mom back as much as mom loves her. Ahhh sure thats the main thing isnt it in the real world it doesnt work like that or she will be a gold digger and thats ok too im guessing. Funny when her mother was dating the child didnt like any of the bfs whch werent many over the years so yes her mother has sacrificed alot ."

The mother again has made very clear choices and has raised her daughter how she sees fit. Again you seem to blame the daughter for it all which suggests that there is a deeper issue between you and the child.

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"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture. i dont know i was so shocked i never asked her if it was a family holiday

I understand that but would be very surprised if it was a solo trip at the age of 16 so on those grounds will guess it is a family holiday.

Can't fault the mother for that, if it is the case. Yes her daughter sounds privileged and from what you say she is unappreciative and the mother gives her too much right up to the point of struggling to pay bills....a 16 year old that wants to holiday with their parent and a parent that wants to holiday with their teenager.... clearly shows a good bond between them and while she comes across to you as spoilt or unappreciative, I am guessing that they do have a good bond and that somewhere that 16 year old recognises the sacrifices her mother makes for her and while she doesn't appear understanding in your eye's am guessing she loves her mom back as much as mom loves her. Ahhh sure thats the main thing isnt it in the real world it doesnt work like that or she will be a gold digger and thats ok too im guessing. Funny when her mother was dating the child didnt like any of the bfs whch werent many over the years so yes her mother has sacrificed alot .

The mother again has made very clear choices and has raised her daughter how she sees fit. Again you seem to blame the daughter for it all which suggests that there is a deeper issue between you and the child. "

Agreed, if someone chooses to sacrifice themselves on the altar of parenthood, that's their decision, not the child's.

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"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture. i dont know i was so shocked i never asked her if it was a family holiday

I understand that but would be very surprised if it was a solo trip at the age of 16 so on those grounds will guess it is a family holiday.

Can't fault the mother for that, if it is the case. Yes her daughter sounds privileged and from what you say she is unappreciative and the mother gives her too much right up to the point of struggling to pay bills....a 16 year old that wants to holiday with their parent and a parent that wants to holiday with their teenager.... clearly shows a good bond between them and while she comes across to you as spoilt or unappreciative, I am guessing that they do have a good bond and that somewhere that 16 year old recognises the sacrifices her mother makes for her and while she doesn't appear understanding in your eye's am guessing she loves her mom back as much as mom loves her. Ahhh sure thats the main thing isnt it in the real world it doesnt work like that or she will be a gold digger and thats ok too im guessing. Funny when her mother was dating the child didnt like any of the bfs whch werent many over the years so yes her mother has sacrificed alot .

The mother again has made very clear choices and has raised her daughter how she sees fit. Again you seem to blame the daughter for it all which suggests that there is a deeper issue between you and the child. "

No ive no issue with the child but my concern on hows her mother is raising her as in what kind of adult she will be like .Agreed its her mothers choice how to parent i think im my opinion her kid gets too much which was what i was asking i find with most kids these days they all get too much think il stick to the old style of parenting if i have kids

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Just a guy... but also a dad...not sure I'm even allowed to comment on this but a just a thought

Unless you have walked in someone else's shoes then how can you know or understand their decisions motivations or how they interact with their child/children.

Perhaps we should all be blessed with whatever we are able to do for our children no matter what others may think...

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over a year ago


"Just a guy... but also a dad...not sure I'm even allowed to comment on this but a just a thought

Unless you have walked in someone else's shoes then how can you know or understand their decisions motivations or how they interact with their child/children.

Perhaps we should all be blessed with whatever we are able to do for our children no matter what others may think...

"

It's an open forum dads have opinions to all welcome

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They are our legacy, a reflection of our values, we should put as much as we have into every facet of their development. If she feels her daughter will benefit from foreign travel, she should help her accomplish that.

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"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture. i dont know i was so shocked i never asked her if it was a family holiday

I understand that but would be very surprised if it was a solo trip at the age of 16 so on those grounds will guess it is a family holiday.

Can't fault the mother for that, if it is the case. Yes her daughter sounds privileged and from what you say she is unappreciative and the mother gives her too much right up to the point of struggling to pay bills....a 16 year old that wants to holiday with their parent and a parent that wants to holiday with their teenager.... clearly shows a good bond between them and while she comes across to you as spoilt or unappreciative, I am guessing that they do have a good bond and that somewhere that 16 year old recognises the sacrifices her mother makes for her and while she doesn't appear understanding in your eye's am guessing she loves her mom back as much as mom loves her. Ahhh sure thats the main thing isnt it in the real world it doesnt work like that or she will be a gold digger and thats ok too im guessing. Funny when her mother was dating the child didnt like any of the bfs whch werent many over the years so yes her mother has sacrificed alot .

The mother again has made very clear choices and has raised her daughter how she sees fit. Again you seem to blame the daughter for it all which suggests that there is a deeper issue between you and the child. No ive no issue with the child but my concern on hows her mother is raising her as in what kind of adult she will be like .Agreed its her mothers choice how to parent i think im my opinion her kid gets too much which was what i was asking i find with most kids these days they all get too much think il stick to the old style of parenting if i have kids"

Am sure she believes that she is doing a good job and double the job as she is parenting alone and providing well for her daughter. We all parent according to our own beliefs and hope we turn out decent adults at the end of it. May not always be the case. I don't agree that most kids get too much... I do believe people are parenting in a very different scenario to ten, twenty, thirty years ago and dealing with completely different issues daily so don't agree that most kids have too much. I don't think judgement should be passed on the daughter here for how she has been raised or for what she has. I don't think if it is a family holiday that it is wrong. I don't think it is fair to judge this without all the facts. I don't think standing on the sidelines gives a very clear view to me or you. I don't think any of us have the right to judge her parenting.

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"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture. i dont know i was so shocked i never asked her if it was a family holiday

I understand that but would be very surprised if it was a solo trip at the age of 16 so on those grounds will guess it is a family holiday.

Can't fault the mother for that, if it is the case. Yes her daughter sounds privileged and from what you say she is unappreciative and the mother gives her too much right up to the point of struggling to pay bills....a 16 year old that wants to holiday with their parent and a parent that wants to holiday with their teenager.... clearly shows a good bond between them and while she comes across to you as spoilt or unappreciative, I am guessing that they do have a good bond and that somewhere that 16 year old recognises the sacrifices her mother makes for her and while she doesn't appear understanding in your eye's am guessing she loves her mom back as much as mom loves her. Ahhh sure thats the main thing isnt it in the real world it doesnt work like that or she will be a gold digger and thats ok too im guessing. Funny when her mother was dating the child didnt like any of the bfs whch werent many over the years so yes her mother has sacrificed alot .

The mother again has made very clear choices and has raised her daughter how she sees fit. Again you seem to blame the daughter for it all which suggests that there is a deeper issue between you and the child. No ive no issue with the child but my concern on hows her mother is raising her as in what kind of adult she will be like .Agreed its her mothers choice how to parent i think im my opinion her kid gets too much which was what i was asking i find with most kids these days they all get too much think il stick to the old style of parenting if i have kids

Am sure she believes that she is doing a good job and double the job as she is parenting alone and providing well for her daughter. We all parent according to our own beliefs and hope we turn out decent adults at the end of it. May not always be the case. I don't agree that most kids get too much... I do believe people are parenting in a very different scenario to ten, twenty, thirty years ago and dealing with completely different issues daily so don't agree that most kids have too much. I don't think judgement should be passed on the daughter here for how she has been raised or for what she has. I don't think if it is a family holiday that it is wrong. I don't think it is fair to judge this without all the facts. I don't think standing on the sidelines gives a very clear view to me or you. I don't think any of us have the right to judge her parenting. "

She has done a great job agreed 100% but i know both so i see alot more i suppose hard to describe over a forum personally family holiday or solo i wouldnt be given my child that for an xmas present when ive bills coming in the door plain and simple lavish lifestyles designer clothes make up etc have to be earnt a treat now and then yes if it was a holiday about spending together go on 1 trip for a few days not 10 days 3 places. Thats my opinion

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"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture. i dont know i was so shocked i never asked her if it was a family holiday

I understand that but would be very surprised if it was a solo trip at the age of 16 so on those grounds will guess it is a family holiday.

Can't fault the mother for that, if it is the case. Yes her daughter sounds privileged and from what you say she is unappreciative and the mother gives her too much right up to the point of struggling to pay bills....a 16 year old that wants to holiday with their parent and a parent that wants to holiday with their teenager.... clearly shows a good bond between them and while she comes across to you as spoilt or unappreciative, I am guessing that they do have a good bond and that somewhere that 16 year old recognises the sacrifices her mother makes for her and while she doesn't appear understanding in your eye's am guessing she loves her mom back as much as mom loves her. Ahhh sure thats the main thing isnt it in the real world it doesnt work like that or she will be a gold digger and thats ok too im guessing. Funny when her mother was dating the child didnt like any of the bfs whch werent many over the years so yes her mother has sacrificed alot .

The mother again has made very clear choices and has raised her daughter how she sees fit. Again you seem to blame the daughter for it all which suggests that there is a deeper issue between you and the child. No ive no issue with the child but my concern on hows her mother is raising her as in what kind of adult she will be like .Agreed its her mothers choice how to parent i think im my opinion her kid gets too much which was what i was asking i find with most kids these days they all get too much think il stick to the old style of parenting if i have kids

Am sure she believes that she is doing a good job and double the job as she is parenting alone and providing well for her daughter. We all parent according to our own beliefs and hope we turn out decent adults at the end of it. May not always be the case. I don't agree that most kids get too much... I do believe people are parenting in a very different scenario to ten, twenty, thirty years ago and dealing with completely different issues daily so don't agree that most kids have too much. I don't think judgement should be passed on the daughter here for how she has been raised or for what she has. I don't think if it is a family holiday that it is wrong. I don't think it is fair to judge this without all the facts. I don't think standing on the sidelines gives a very clear view to me or you. I don't think any of us have the right to judge her parenting. She has done a great job agreed 100% but i know both so i see alot more i suppose hard to describe over a forum personally family holiday or solo i wouldnt be given my child that for an xmas present when ive bills coming in the door plain and simple lavish lifestyles designer clothes make up etc have to be earnt a treat now and then yes if it was a holiday about spending together go on 1 trip for a few days not 10 days 3 places. Thats my opinion "

Fairly put. Have you tried to discuss this with your friend? It's such a minefield of a topic, it is a difficult discussion and do you feel it would achieve anything?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It is a teens job to chance their arm and a parent's to rein them back in again for what I like to call the reality check talk

I think it's a mighty different environment that they are growing up in and on some levels they have it tougher and on some softer.

As parents, we walk a continuous tight rope trying to keep balance and harmony. From the outside that sounds like a lot but if that young adult has a healthy respect for the parents and costs then I would view it as an opportunity that I didn't have as a teen but am able to afford to my child. Not the case in my household but if I could, I would as long as respect was maintained.

A friend of mine threw a party for her 9 year old that was reminiscent of MTV cribs! Totally over the top but was a total guilt trip on the mothers side as she was heading away on holidays for the actual date her child turned 9...that I thought was ridiculous but said child is still a lovely person I actually think teens are sheltered from reality alot. Tbh i get that social media plays a huge role but regarding value of money .

Mine aren't! What do you base this on? There are a lot of problems and obstacles to be faced and overcome in parenting and each identical situation that has arisen with each of my children has been different because they are individuals...so treating all the same doesn't work I base it on 29 years of experience in the world it is my opinion the child is diva because her mother gives her everything she wants and that is my opinion which im entitled too if i was a parent i personally wouldnt raise my child like that but thats me each to their own

I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion I merely asked what you were basing it on. We are both entitled to our opinions even if we disagree. I do agree that children are a product of their up bringing to a degree. I do agree that there are a lot of unrealistic views of monetary value but not only with children. Society in general influences that.

Just because we are parents does not make us expert's...we do the best we can but I can definitely say being a parent does change your view point on a lot of issues. I appreciate that and im sure i will make lots of mistakes along the way babies dont come with a manual havin said that i most definitly will be telling my children no at times bills food heat come first and not there xbox game or inglot make up and i will be very much a realist and say it how it is to my child because the world is a cruel cruel place and i dont want divas on my hands

Yes, the world is a cruel place and then best thing you can do as a parent is prepare your child for it while keeping a balance of right and wrong... when to say yes and when to say no. It is not always as black and white as that... balance again.

Bills, food and heat are a priority end of.

Has your friend made basic sacrifices of the above mentioned in order to provide the holiday to her daughter? Is this a family holiday or a solo trip for the 16 year old?

Not sure she didnt say .well i know bills havnt been paid thats all i can tell ya

We all struggle to come up with the money to get away. If it's a family holiday, it's a different scenario IMO

Im sorry but ths 16 yr old had a holiday for 3 wks in france with her friend and the friends parents last aug .and her mother paid for flights spending money and part of accomodation

Is it a family holiday? The other information you just gave is new. It's not a black and white scenario is all I am saying. Just trying to get the full picture. i dont know i was so shocked i never asked her if it was a family holiday

I understand that but would be very surprised if it was a solo trip at the age of 16 so on those grounds will guess it is a family holiday.

Can't fault the mother for that, if it is the case. Yes her daughter sounds privileged and from what you say she is unappreciative and the mother gives her too much right up to the point of struggling to pay bills....a 16 year old that wants to holiday with their parent and a parent that wants to holiday with their teenager.... clearly shows a good bond between them and while she comes across to you as spoilt or unappreciative, I am guessing that they do have a good bond and that somewhere that 16 year old recognises the sacrifices her mother makes for her and while she doesn't appear understanding in your eye's am guessing she loves her mom back as much as mom loves her. Ahhh sure thats the main thing isnt it in the real world it doesnt work like that or she will be a gold digger and thats ok too im guessing. Funny when her mother was dating the child didnt like any of the bfs whch werent many over the years so yes her mother has sacrificed alot .

The mother again has made very clear choices and has raised her daughter how she sees fit. Again you seem to blame the daughter for it all which suggests that there is a deeper issue between you and the child. No ive no issue with the child but my concern on hows her mother is raising her as in what kind of adult she will be like .Agreed its her mothers choice how to parent i think im my opinion her kid gets too much which was what i was asking i find with most kids these days they all get too much think il stick to the old style of parenting if i have kids

Am sure she believes that she is doing a good job and double the job as she is parenting alone and providing well for her daughter. We all parent according to our own beliefs and hope we turn out decent adults at the end of it. May not always be the case. I don't agree that most kids get too much... I do believe people are parenting in a very different scenario to ten, twenty, thirty years ago and dealing with completely different issues daily so don't agree that most kids have too much. I don't think judgement should be passed on the daughter here for how she has been raised or for what she has. I don't think if it is a family holiday that it is wrong. I don't think it is fair to judge this without all the facts. I don't think standing on the sidelines gives a very clear view to me or you. I don't think any of us have the right to judge her parenting. She has done a great job agreed 100% but i know both so i see alot more i suppose hard to describe over a forum personally family holiday or solo i wouldnt be given my child that for an xmas present when ive bills coming in the door plain and simple lavish lifestyles designer clothes make up etc have to be earnt a treat now and then yes if it was a holiday about spending together go on 1 trip for a few days not 10 days 3 places. Thats my opinion

Fairly put. Have you tried to discuss this with your friend? It's such a minefield of a topic, it is a difficult discussion and do you feel it would achieve anything? "

I dont think it would achieve anything madame b only a few wks ago my friend was up the walls because she was behind in her rent by 4 months.And that very night the child whinged because she didnt want her dinner she wanted chinese so of course my friend picked up the phone and got her daughter chinese

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over a year ago

Parenting isn't easy. And it always a balance between treating your kids or spoiling them. There is pressure on parents. I would not personally provide anything so glamorous or expensive but this mother obviously feels she has to or wants to...who am i to judge..we live in a material world

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over a year ago


"Parenting isn't easy. And it always a balance between treating your kids or spoiling them. There is pressure on parents. I would not personally provide anything so glamorous or expensive but this mother obviously feels she has to or wants to...who am i to judge..we live in a material world "

And she is a material girl

It's tough but there is no justification for spending money when you are struggling to pay the bills. It's a sad reality - you aren't teaching the kids anything except how to moan to get stuff. But each to their own

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over a year ago


"Parenting isn't easy. And it always a balance between treating your kids or spoiling them. There is pressure on parents. I would not personally provide anything so glamorous or expensive but this mother obviously feels she has to or wants to...who am i to judge..we live in a material world

And she is a material girl

It's tough but there is no justification for spending money when you are struggling to pay the bills. It's a sad reality - you aren't teaching the kids anything except how to moan to get stuff. But each to their own "

That was my point i think thz kid is getting to much so in turn will turn out to be materialistic

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over a year ago


"Wait till you have kids I think. You'll be wanting to give them the world too. No im sorry i wont i like to teach my children the value of money because in the big bad world you have to work for what you have and the bills come before a 10 day trip "

I agree totally. My boy is 2 and I want him to grow up like I did, so excited on Christmas eve that he can't sleep (because he doesn't get what he wants year round, Christmas is special) but I like the idea of "something you'd love, something you'd like,and a surprise"

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over a year ago


"My little one surprised me the other day with such a grown up comment from someone so young when we was talking about santa the other day.

She reeled off the list of things she would "like" and it was small very small, and I asked if there was anything else she would like as it surprised me a little. Her response was no thats it, I get more than enough as it is and santa has far more people to see. She's 7.

Yes I would like to give her the world if she asked, she's content. (for now)

Yes she has me wrapped like most children do with their parents, but she compromises with the best of them."

Awww I love this. You're doing something right xx

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over a year ago

Apologies if it has been said already, I didn't read all the replies.

Being a parent is tricky and the reality is you can only do your best, your friend may be trying to create amazing memories they can both cherish for ever. Just my thoughts, the child may be a diva, however without knowing the full ins and outs of why she is a single parent there could be other issues going on behind the scenes which is presenting the unwanted behaviour,

Personally I hope they have an amazing time and the mother is not putting herself under too much pressure,

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By *rossflow daveMan
over a year ago

Mullingar


"It's down to how the parent's are raising their kids. You can be born into a position where your parents can give you anything and you would be thankful for your blessings. You can be brought up with barely a warm meal provided and have as much thanks for what you have.

If your friend is raising a diva then it's down to her. I think the Mum needs to get a grip. She's enabling bratish behaviour and diva like demands then there lies the problem in my opinion x"

This

What will she expect for her 21st ?

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over a year ago

The way we see it is if we give our kids everything then they will appreciate nothing....sure its the reason the new generations have a self entitlement complex....never work for anything yet get everything and dont respect or give a fuck about it, id rather teach them some lessons that will serve them well thru life not enable them to be lazy self entitled layabouts

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over a year ago

All of my crew got a set amount of pocket money plus their actual needs... regular discussion over the year's was is that a need or a want. They went out and got part time job's for the extras.

If they looked for something that was brand based at Christmas the compromise was they got money and bought it in the sales. They all know the value of a hard earned euro and some of them are great with money and some not so great but that is personality but they are all appreciative of what they got and what they earned. It has stood to them in how they respect their stuff and other's. Has been a great relief as they headed to college and onwards

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over a year ago


"The way we see it is if we give our kids everything then they will appreciate nothing....sure its the reason the new generations have a self entitlement complex....never work for anything yet get everything and dont respect or give a fuck about it, id rather teach them some lessons that will serve them well thru life not enable them to be lazy self entitled layabouts "
I agree 100%

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over a year ago


"All of my crew got a set amount of pocket money plus their actual needs... regular discussion over the year's was is that a need or a want. They went out and got part time job's for the extras.

If they looked for something that was brand based at Christmas the compromise was they got money and bought it in the sales. They all know the value of a hard earned euro and some of them are great with money and some not so great but that is personality but they are all appreciative of what they got and what they earned. It has stood to them in how they respect their stuff and other's. Has been a great relief as they headed to college and onwards"

Another amazing post im in total agreement and heres me thinking i was the only person out there thinking what ever happened to teaching kids valuable lifeskills.

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By *imeoutaloneMan
over a year ago

Dublin to Westmeath


"My little one surprised me the other day with such a grown up comment from someone so young when we was talking about santa the other day.

She reeled off the list of things she would "like" and it was small very small, and I asked if there was anything else she would like as it surprised me a little. Her response was no thats it, I get more than enough as it is and santa has far more people to see. She's 7.

Yes I would like to give her the world if she asked, she's content. (for now)

Yes she has me wrapped like most children do with their parents, but she compromises with the best of them.

Awww I love this. You're doing something right xx"

Thanks

It's these things that make me think I'm not doing a bad job at all.

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By *s louWoman
over a year ago

Enniskillen


"My little one surprised me the other day with such a grown up comment from someone so young when we was talking about santa the other day.

She reeled off the list of things she would "like" and it was small very small, and I asked if there was anything else she would like as it surprised me a little. Her response was no thats it, I get more than enough as it is and santa has far more people to see. She's 7.

Yes I would like to give her the world if she asked, she's content. (for now)

Yes she has me wrapped like most children do with their parents, but she compromises with the best of them."

Lovely! She sounds like she has her head screwed on for someone so young. I remember when mine were at the Santa stage....one year all my eldest looked for was a new football

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

Kids have to learn the value of money, but also the fact you can't always get what you want. My oldest is 19 wants to go out the weekend but has a phone bill to pay.

So she hinting all week for me to pay it.... hard lesson she's learning ... not stopping her sulking...

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By *imeoutaloneMan
over a year ago

Dublin to Westmeath


"My little one surprised me the other day with such a grown up comment from someone so young when we was talking about santa the other day.

She reeled off the list of things she would "like" and it was small very small, and I asked if there was anything else she would like as it surprised me a little. Her response was no thats it, I get more than enough as it is and santa has far more people to see. She's 7.

Yes I would like to give her the world if she asked, she's content. (for now)

Yes she has me wrapped like most children do with their parents, but she compromises with the best of them.

Lovely! She sounds like she has her head screwed on for someone so young. I remember when mine were at the Santa stage....one year all my eldest looked for was a new football "

Thanks.

She really doesn't take after her daddy in this respect

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