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" I think the rape and terminal fetus etc cases need to be fixed ASAP but I'm not too pushed on making it a free for all so long as the morning after pill is still available. " I presume you realise the MAP isn't a suitable option for some women that might need to take it? And as for it being a "free for all", every woman should have the choice. Why shouldn't they? | |||
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" I think the rape and terminal fetus etc cases need to be fixed ASAP but I'm not too pushed on making it a free for all so long as the morning after pill is still available. I presume you realise the MAP isn't a suitable option for some women that might need to take it? And as for it being a "free for all", every woman should have the choice. Why shouldn't they?" Well to play devils advocate I could say the baby should have a choice. We don't live in a free society... Laws, taxes etc. So why is this right to choose so important over others? There's also a question over the man's choice.. Takes two to tango | |||
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"I've no strong views either way... But the word fundamental is a stretch surely? " fundamental adjective 1. forming a necessary base or core; of central importance. No, not a stretch in the slightest. The reproductive rights of women should naturally be of central importance to them. | |||
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" I think the rape and terminal fetus etc cases need to be fixed ASAP but I'm not too pushed on making it a free for all so long as the morning after pill is still available. I presume you realise the MAP isn't a suitable option for some women that might need to take it? And as for it being a "free for all", every woman should have the choice. Why shouldn't they? Well to play devils advocate I could say the baby should have a choice. We don't live in a free society... Laws, taxes etc. So why is this right to choose so important over others? There's also a question over the man's choice.. Takes two to tango " because I think at it's core it's early (not late) stage abortions that are the issue here, and at that early stage it's not a baby, it's a collection of cells. | |||
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"Come on now, you are a smart guy so don't jump to 'just because' without some reasoning Air, water, food, shelter seem like fundamental rights. " Yes, and what we choose to do with our bodies should also be a fundamental right. it is of central importance. My body, my chouice. Her body, her choice. For me, it's really quite simple. | |||
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"Sure you and I are only a collection of cells" Sentient cells. | |||
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"Surely this would be an ecumenical matter  "That's why we're in this fucking mess. | |||
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"Sure you and I are only a collection of cells Sentient cells. " When does 'it' become sentient? I'm sentient now but I think I'd have serious FOMO if my mam chucked me in a medical waste bin when I was but a zygote Anyway back to porn please.... | |||
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"Surely this would be an ecumenical matter
That's why we're in this fucking mess. "There are bigger messes | |||
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"Sure you and I are only a collection of cells Sentient cells. When does 'it' become sentient? I'm sentient now but I think I'd have serious FOMO if my mam chucked me in a medical waste bin when I was but a zygote Anyway back to porn please.... " Look, before we do I want to emphasise that I'm pro-choice. the clue is in the name: choice. I believe in a womans right to choose. It does not necessarily mean i'm pro-abortion. I can disagree with abortion and still be pro choice. As a man, If I happen to be anti-abortion, it does not, nor should not give me the right from preventing a woman to choose one. | |||
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"Surely this would be an ecumenical matter
That's why we're in this fucking mess.
There are bigger messes "Yes and peoples porno viewing habits isn't one of them. | |||
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" I think the rape and terminal fetus etc cases need to be fixed ASAP but I'm not too pushed on making it a free for all so long as the morning after pill is still available. I presume you realise the MAP isn't a suitable option for some women that might need to take it? And as for it being a "free for all", every woman should have the choice. Why shouldn't they? Well to play devils advocate I could say the baby should have a choice. We don't live in a free society... Laws, taxes etc. So why is this right to choose so important over others? There's also a question over the man's choice.. Takes two to tango " Yes it takes two to tango, but as its the woman that carries the zygote, embryo or fetus, the final choice should be with the woman. And from my understanding, it is a fetus, until birthing has finished. Once born, it is then classed as a baby. Not directed at you op, but I wonder if it was the other way around, if men were able to get pregnant, would those that don't believe in pro choice have a different opinion! | |||
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" Anyway back to porn please.... " Yes...back to porn, and I'll keep quiet now | |||
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" And from my understanding, it is a fetus, until birthing has finished. Once born, it is then classed as a baby. " Well my understanding is that the midwife doesn't flick a switch and shout it's alive in her best frankenstein voice once it pops out  | |||
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" And from my understanding, it is a fetus, until birthing has finished. Once born, it is then classed as a baby. Well my understanding is that the midwife doesn't flick a switch and shout it's alive in her best frankenstein voice once it pops out "I'm not sure how to reply to that....me being pedantic doesn't go down well with some people! | |||
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" How can one be pro choice without being pro abortion? " I'm not sure how much more clear I can be, but i'll try using examples Just because i'm vegan doesn't give me the right to force you to stop eating meat. Just because i'm anti-car doesn't give me the right to force you to stop driving one. Just because I'm straight it doesn't give me the right to prevent homosexuals from getting married. Just because i'm anti abortion it doesn't give me the right to take away a woman's choice. need I go on? | |||
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"Lots of people have different opinions on this matter and some will call it a foetus until the minute it draws a breath to me this is a complete insult to life and some people call it a collection of cells however these cells have a heartbeat at 18 days and a collection of brain matter at 10 weeks... I could go into great detail about a baby's early development but what's the point if to somebody they are nothing but "Cell matter".... And as having a first hand knowledge of abortions and how they are preformed it's barbaric but it's sugar coated so women who have them won't feel like they are doing anything wrong... Yes I agree with choice but I agree the unborn should have a choice too..... There are I agree special circumstances where abortion is necessary but many see it as another form of contraception " Good to see an informed opinion My fear is a lot people are getting more and more brainwashed these days and have fuck all critical thinking skills to know it or think for themselves | |||
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"Jesus man I'm not even anti abortion... Have some conviction if that really is your stance. Afraid of saying the 'wrong' thing? The only right you have in each of those scenarios is to add your 2c to the public concensus. " If you're referring to me, then i'm afraid I don't understand your post. can you clarify please? | |||
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"Jesus man I'm not even anti abortion... Have some conviction if that really is your stance. Afraid of saying the 'wrong' thing? The only right you have in each of those scenarios is to add your 2c to the public concensus. " Don't be taking the lords name in vein sonny I was staunchly pro life however upon more research I have opened my mind up to the other side point of view. This is not copping out this is me saying at the minute until I do further research I am not committing to either side as of yet. And had nothing to do with the better half who may hit me a slap for disagreeing | |||
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"I don't agree with it being used as a form of contraception. Once again, it goes back to education. As I don't have kids myself, I can't comment on the state of sex education in schools (someone else will surely chime in) But I believe a frank education about sex, contraceptives and abortion should be taught without conservative or right wing nut jobs butting in. Give them the proper education and it will help them to make an informed choice, otherwise you'll just breed a "a sure i can just get an abortion" mentality. " But aside from force majeure (medical, rape etc) type reasons, that is what is... Pro choice, pro a contraceptive option ? The right to choose.... | |||
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"Jesus man I'm not even anti abortion... Have some conviction if that really is your stance. Afraid of saying the 'wrong' thing? The only right you have in each of those scenarios is to add your 2c to the public concensus. If you're referring to me, then i'm afraid I don't understand your post. can you clarify please?" You said 'just because I'm anti abortion doesn't give me the right' You have the right to vote and the right to hold your convictions. You also have the right to contradict yourself and be an enigma  I'm just shooting the breeze, no harm intended | |||
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"If they showed an abortion being preformed to young men or women they I can categorically state nobody would be having them... And 95% of women regret having them...." And Condom sales would sky rocket Repeal the 8th Sponsored by Durex and Trojan | |||
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"I don't agree with it being used as a form of contraception. Once again, it goes back to education. As I don't have kids myself, I can't comment on the state of sex education in schools (someone else will surely chime in) But I believe a frank education about sex, contraceptives and abortion should be taught without conservative or right wing nut jobs butting in. Give them the proper education and it will help them to make an informed choice, otherwise you'll just breed a "a sure i can just get an abortion" mentality. But aside from force majeure (medical, rape etc) type reasons, that is what is... Pro choice, pro a contraceptive option ? The right to choose.... " Not that cut and dried. those who would choose to use abortion as a form of contraception AND those who believe that would do it, are in my opinion misinformed or poorly educated on the matter. If, for example, you forego normal methods of contraception and adopt "if the worst happens, we can just get an abortion" mentality then that in my opinion is irrisponsible. repealing the 8th should not necessarily lead to "abortions on demand" and it should also go hand in hand with edcuation. on the flip side, if you're careful, and don't want children and the contraception still fails, and you're early enough to do so, why should the choice be denied you? | |||
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"Perhaps I came across as cold when referring as a fetus up until birth. That was not my intention. It was just point that medically that it was it is referred to. " Medically Dr's and nurses call them babies. | |||
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"If they showed an abortion being preformed to young men or women they I can categorically state nobody would be having them... And 95% of women regret having them...." But isn't it better to have a choice than no choice at all? You could also say that if they showed what drinking does to your liver then nobody would drink, but imagine if that choice was taken away..... | |||
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"If they showed an abortion being preformed to young men or women they I can categorically state nobody would be having them... And 95% of women regret having them.... And Condom sales would sky rocket Repeal the 8th Sponsored by Durex and Trojan " Absolutely... Yes they would... I do think people need to be educated  | |||
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"If they showed an abortion being preformed to young men or women they I can categorically state nobody would be having them... And 95% of women regret having them.... But isn't it better to have a choice than no choice at all? You could also say that if they showed what drinking does to your liver then nobody would drink, but imagine if that choice was taken away....." What about the choice of the unborn? | |||
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"If they showed an abortion being preformed to young men or women they I can categorically state nobody would be having them... And 95% of women regret having them.... But isn't it better to have a choice than no choice at all? You could also say that if they showed what drinking does to your liver then nobody would drink, but imagine if that choice was taken away....." They are slowly doing that to smokers Upping the price limiting where you can smoke. Pics on the boxes etc | |||
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"Jesus man I'm not even anti abortion... Have some conviction if that really is your stance. Afraid of saying the 'wrong' thing? The only right you have in each of those scenarios is to add your 2c to the public concensus. If you're referring to me, then i'm afraid I don't understand your post. can you clarify please? You said 'just because I'm anti abortion doesn't give me the right' You have the right to vote and the right to hold your convictions. You also have the right to contradict yourself and be an enigma I'm just shooting the breeze, no harm intended "I do have the right to vote, and i'll be voting to repeal the 8th if and when the time comes. because the right to choose is what I believe in. | |||
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" on the flip side, if you're careful, and don't want children and the contraception still fails, and you're early enough to do so, why should the choice be denied you?" You out way too much faith in people to be responsible... Imo You make a fair point there. Without being flippant and assuming brexit doesn't shut the doors.. a quick trip to the UK is still a last resort. | |||
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"Perhaps I came across as cold when referring as a fetus up until birth. That was not my intention. It was just point that medically that it was it is referred to. Medically Dr's and nurses call them babies. " Yes, as do I. I should have been more clear and have pointed out that I was referring to medical as in text books, journals etc rather than medical staff. My apologies. | |||
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"If they showed an abortion being preformed to young men or women they I can categorically state nobody would be having them... And 95% of women regret having them.... But isn't it better to have a choice than no choice at all? You could also say that if they showed what drinking does to your liver then nobody would drink, but imagine if that choice was taken away..... What about the choice of the unborn? " If you're putting a gun to my head and asking me which choice is paramount, then i'm going with the adult human female. I'm not a fan of late term abortions, so if you're asking me my opinion, until it looks like a baby, it's not a baby. that's the simplest way i can put it without going off on a tangent. But, my point is IT'S NOT UP TO ME. I'm not a woman, and I don't believe as a man that I have the right to prevent a woman having control over her own body. | |||
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" on the flip side, if you're careful, and don't want children and the contraception still fails, and you're early enough to do so, why should the choice be denied you? You out way too much faith in people to be responsible... Imo You make a fair point there. Without being flippant and assuming brexit doesn't shut the doors.. a quick trip to the UK is still a last resort. " Actually I don't. I can only be as responsible as i can. give others as much reliable info and let them choose themselves. once again, there's that word: choice. I would rather them not having to leave the country as a last resort, but thats my opinion. | |||
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"Perhaps I came across as cold when referring as a fetus up until birth. That was not my intention. It was just point that medically that it was it is referred to. Medically Dr's and nurses call them babies. Yes, as do I. I should have been more clear and have pointed out that I was referring to medical as in text books, journals etc rather than medical staff. My apologies. " Completely understood... I'm a bit passionate on this subject 
I've 2 close friends who for very different reasons had abortions I supported them but I do believe in the right to the unborn too...
I do believe if there was more education fewer would be having them...
We are living in a age where condoms can be purchased at almost every public house toilets in the country also there's the coil and the bar as well as the pill and the morning after pill!
Unwanted pregnancies really should be a thing of the past...
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"If they showed an abortion being preformed to young men or women they I can categorically state nobody would be having them... And 95% of women regret having them.... And Condom sales would sky rocket Repeal the 8th Sponsored by Durex and Trojan " I think it's sponsored by Jezebel and Jacobs Creek  | |||
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"Perhaps I came across as cold when referring as a fetus up until birth. That was not my intention. It was just point that medically that it was it is referred to. Medically Dr's and nurses call them babies. Yes, as do I. I should have been more clear and have pointed out that I was referring to medical as in text books, journals etc rather than medical staff. My apologies. Completely understood... I'm a bit passionate on this subject
I've 2 close friends who for very different reasons had abortions I supported them but I do believe in the right to the unborn too...
I do believe if there was more education fewer would be having them...
We are living in a age where condoms can be purchased at almost every public house toilets in the country also there's the coil and the bar as well as the pill and the morning after pill!
Unwanted pregnancies really should be a thing of the past...
"I agree, but when all else fails, for whatever reason, forcing them out of the country is NOT a solution. | |||
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"If they showed an abortion being preformed to young men or women they I can categorically state nobody would be having them... And 95% of women regret having them.... But isn't it better to have a choice than no choice at all? You could also say that if they showed what drinking does to your liver then nobody would drink, but imagine if that choice was taken away..... What about the choice of the unborn? If you're putting a gun to my head and asking me which choice is paramount, then i'm going with the adult human female. I'm not a fan of late term abortions, so if you're asking me my opinion, until it looks like a baby, it's not a baby. that's the simplest way i can put it without going off on a tangent. But, my point is IT'S NOT UP TO ME. I'm not a woman, and I don't believe as a man that I have the right to prevent a woman having control over her own body. " In this day and age contraception is so readily available and easy accessible that there really shouldn't be unwanted pregnancies so she should be in more control of her body and use her brain ie contraception... | |||
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"Perhaps I came across as cold when referring as a fetus up until birth. That was not my intention. It was just point that medically that it was it is referred to. Medically Dr's and nurses call them babies. Yes, as do I. I should have been more clear and have pointed out that I was referring to medical as in text books, journals etc rather than medical staff. My apologies. Completely understood... I'm a bit passionate on this subject
I've 2 close friends who for very different reasons had abortions I supported them but I do believe in the right to the unborn too...
I do believe if there was more education fewer would be having them...
We are living in a age where condoms can be purchased at almost every public house toilets in the country also there's the coil and the bar as well as the pill and the morning after pill!
Unwanted pregnancies really should be a thing of the past...
I agree, but when all else fails, for whatever reason, forcing them out of the country is NOT a solution. "I agree.... It's not! In a ideal world there would be none... | |||
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" In this day and age contraception is so readily available and easy accessible that there really shouldn't be unwanted pregnancies so she should be in more control of her body and use her brain ie contraception..." I agree with that but until such time that people realise that there should be no embarrasment in having sex, buying condoms etc, there are going to be unwanted pregnancies. It ideally should start from the gound up, proper sex education for children from parents and schools. There should not be stigma associated with sex. | |||
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" In this day and age contraception is so readily available and easy accessible that there really shouldn't be unwanted pregnancies so she should be in more control of her body and use her brain ie contraception... I agree with that but until such time that people realise that there should be no embarrasment in having sex, buying condoms etc, there are going to be unwanted pregnancies. It ideally should start from the gound up, proper sex education for children from parents and schools. There should not be stigma associated with sex. " I agree | |||
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"Anyway.. Pornography... I líne nothing better than watching a couple in a... Wait for it... " Bollix, syndrome beat me to post number 69 | |||
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 ...we didnt have hardcore all the time as kids but if we did you could bet there'd be a few more sickos or rapists about thinking every girls wants it. | |||
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"To be fair to Enda, he didn't say he wanted to control it, he suggested we should have a national debate around the issues associated with it, and it certainly appears that there are a few negative issues around it. I had a woman going down on me a while back and she suddenly just froze. I asked what the fuck? She said it was something she learned from online porn called buffering "Not up to speed are mikey | |||
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" In this day and age contraception is so readily available and easy accessible that there really shouldn't be unwanted pregnancies so she should be in more control of her body and use her brain ie contraception... I agree with that but until such time that people realise that there should be no embarrasment in having sex, buying condoms etc, there are going to be unwanted pregnancies. It ideally should start from the gound up, proper sex education for children from parents and schools. There should not be stigma associated with sex. " And where do you quite often start your public life... in the church. So in a way you're right. | |||
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" I think the rape and terminal fetus etc cases need to be fixed ASAP but I'm not too pushed on making it a free for all so long as the morning after pill is still available. I presume you realise the MAP isn't a suitable option for some women that might need to take it? And as for it being a "free for all", every woman should have the choice. Why shouldn't they?" I don't think any man or woman should have the right to determine somebody else right to live I.e the baby .. Mayb in cases where there health complications for the mother not her career or lifestyle! Hope this doesn't change one of the things I love about this we country of our that I don't think we should change | |||
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"If they showed an abortion being preformed to young men or women they I can categorically state nobody would be having them... And 95% of women regret having them...." I recall watching an abortion video in school over 20 years ago, can't quite remember why it was shown but do remember being given the option not to watch it , It's a very contentious issue and has been for a long time now but at least we're talking about it which must be a good thing? | |||
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"If they showed an abortion being preformed to young men or women they I can categorically state nobody would be having them... And 95% of women regret having them.... I recall watching an abortion video in school over 20 years ago, can't quite remember why it was shown but do remember being given the option not to watch it , It's a very contentious issue and has been for a long time now but at least we're talking about it which must be a good thing?" Yes I remember watching one in school too..I think it should be mandatory for young people to watch and be educated on the matter... | |||
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"If they showed an abortion being preformed to young men or women they I can categorically state nobody would be having them... And 95% of women regret having them.... I recall watching an abortion video in school over 20 years ago, can't quite remember why it was shown but do remember being given the option not to watch it , It's a very contentious issue and has been for a long time now but at least we're talking about it which must be a good thing? Yes I remember watching one in school too..I think it should be mandatory for young people to watch and be educated on the matter..." I remember that too. And seeing the doctors scalpel move so fast it was sickening. I also remember seeing a pregnant woman being pulled out of the canal. That was sickening too | |||
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