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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Has been found not guilty of Raping a girl. supposedly he didn't speak to her before, during or after the incident, so where was the consent there??

After watching the documentary "Audrie and Daisy" the other day, it's crazy that in 2016 Women are nearly afraid to come forward after being sexually assaulted for fear of being made out to be liars...

What do ye all think of this??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo "

Why do you say that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?"

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up "

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied?? "

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars. "

Nothing was said about her lying..... there was no "evidence" the judicial system and media generally side with rapists from previous cases I have seen.

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By *ord Willy McFuck-BucketMan
over a year ago

newcastle


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars. "
she never said she was raped, she couldn't remember anything as she was d*unk so why the fuck should she go to jail

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By *ocko123Man
over a year ago

Derry

He can consider himself very, very lucky...! Feel for the girl..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up "

Now if she has proven that these allegations were false then yes of course action must be taken but being found innocent doesnt prove that just means there was sufficient doubt to find him guilty.

worse case of she says he says where lives are destroyed ... all he can do now is live day by day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars. she never said she was raped, she couldn't remember anything as she was d*unk so why the fuck should she go to jail"

Iam obviously not up to date with the case so. My understanding was that he was accused of rape

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars.

Nothing was said about her lying..... there was no "evidence" the judicial system and media generally side with rapists from previous cases I have seen. "

The Justice system and media side with rapists? Time to get outa here before i lose all hope. Cye

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they*

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars.

Nothing was said about her lying..... there was no "evidence" the judicial system and media generally side with rapists from previous cases I have seen.

The Justice system and media side with rapists? Time to get outa here before i lose all hope. Cye "

They do, how many rape cases actually end in conviction? Most have no "evidence" which is why most women who have been assaulted don't come forward, because they are gonna be made feel like they are liars....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars.

Nothing was said about her lying..... there was no "evidence" the judicial system and media generally side with rapists from previous cases I have seen.

The Justice system and media side with rapists? Time to get outa here before i lose all hope. Cye

They do, how many rape cases actually end in conviction? Most have no "evidence" which is why most women who have been assaulted don't come forward, because they are gonna be made feel like they are liars.... "

Sadly if they don't come forward then a conviction can't be made to begin with. I do somewhat understand you but i just personally don't believe the justice system and media side with them. Nobody wants to see a rapist getting away with it. The justice system just has too many loopholes etc

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars.

Nothing was said about her lying..... there was no "evidence" the judicial system and media generally side with rapists from previous cases I have seen.

The Justice system and media side with rapists? Time to get outa here before i lose all hope. Cye

They do, how many rape cases actually end in conviction? Most have no "evidence" which is why most women who have been assaulted don't come forward, because they are gonna be made feel like they are liars....

Sadly if they don't come forward then a conviction can't be made to begin with. I do somewhat understand you but i just personally don't believe the justice system and media side with them. Nobody wants to see a rapist getting away with it. The justice system just has too many loopholes etc "

By accusing a girl of lying you are siding with the rapist. whether you mean to or not!

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin

Who's the bloke? Not that it matters but am I supposed to recognise the name?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who's the bloke? Not that it matters but am I supposed to recognise the name?"

Soccer player was ok

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By *ocko123Man
over a year ago

Derry

What Katieliam said^^^

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not guilty doesn't equal innocent.

There needs to be alot of evidence to even get a case to court so I've no idea how it got that far to begin with

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin


"Who's the bloke? Not that it matters but am I supposed to recognise the name?

Soccer player was ok "

Ah that'll explain why the name means nothing to me, thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars. "

OMG.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He was found not guilty because of a text she sent to a friend saying jason borthwick and ched evans are in same bed as me, High five.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars.

OMG. "

Don't be shocked. If the girl is ever found to have lied then she should be locked up as her lies have ruined a man's life. If she lied..... If

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars.

OMG.

Don't be shocked. If the girl is ever found to have lied then she should be locked up as her lies have ruined a man's life. If she lied..... If"

You're disgusting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do agree if a girl lies about a man raping her she should be charged with timewasting..ive never heard about this case tho so couldn't comment on that in particular

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars.

OMG.

Don't be shocked. If the girl is ever found to have lied then she should be locked up as her lies have ruined a man's life. If she lied..... If

You're disgusting."

OK i take it back. Women that lie n ruin ppls lives deserve to get away with it. How's that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do agree if a girl lies about a man raping her she should be charged with timewasting..ive never heard about this case tho so couldn't comment on that in particular"

Of course she should (if she's proven to have lied)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars. "

Being found innocent doesn't mean the judge thinks she lied. People seem to have some trouble understanding the justice system. An innocent verdict can simply mean it is felt that there is not enough evidence for a conviction. Don't fuck someone that is to d*unk to give proper consent, not even appropriate in a relationship never mind with a stranger

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"Not guilty doesn't equal innocent.

There needs to be alot of evidence to even get a case to court so I've no idea how it got that far to begin with "

Actually, in England and Wales, Not guilty DOES equal innocent in the eyes of the law. (Although in Scotland a verdict of "Not proven" may have been retuned)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guys lets not get bogged down here, its an emotive issue for alof people. Guy was returned innocent, girl has to live with that verdict. Or he was wrongly accused and a girl lied. We will never know. But i do know those in public arena use their person to get what they want. Definitely not role models.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars.

Nothing was said about her lying..... there was no "evidence" the judicial system and media generally side with rapists from previous cases I have seen.

The Justice system and media side with rapists? Time to get outa here before i lose all hope. Cye "

Please. Oh please do!

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo "

If a woman is too d*unk to give consent it's rape. What decent man fucks a woman who is so d*unk she cannot speak

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very tricky case by all accounts. And hopefully all involved have some peace whatever the outcome innocent or guilty all of their lives will never be the same so I just hope whoever is not lying can begin to live happily again

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars.

OMG.

Don't be shocked. If the girl is ever found to have lied then she should be locked up as her lies have ruined a man's life. If she lied..... If

You're disgusting.

OK i take it back. Women that lie n ruin ppls lives deserve to get away with it. How's that? "

She didn't lie - She was so d*unk she couldn't remember. The police took the action against him

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By *ocko123Man
over a year ago

Derry

Heavensent agreed. Hence the basis of the first conviction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars.

Nothing was said about her lying..... there was no "evidence" the judicial system and media generally side with rapists from previous cases I have seen.

The Justice system and media side with rapists? Time to get outa here before i lose all hope. Cye

Please. Oh please do! "

Aw do strangers online bother you that much? Man up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is very interesting.... I'm going to talk in the abstract and probably rustle a few feathers, apologies in advance. We all agree that rape is terribleso don't get on a high horse and try and label me as a pig... I'm just being objective

I'm going to make an argument that a lot of women are primed by the media to be oversensitive to "rape culture". There is no culture of rape, that is a ridiculous concept, we have a drinking culture in Ireland and by comparison we certainly don't have a rape culture. See my post yesterday about Louise O Neill (churnalist) and her obsession with this subject and all things."first world feminism"... Much of it is confirmation bias.

My view on these cases... And I know there are counterarguments about fear of coming forward, confusion etc but I don't buy them...if I was raped my number one priority would be to get medical EVIDENCE to support a trial and bring the fucker down hard, second priority may be violent revenge, who knows.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Strangers don't. Complete rude ignorant rabble rousers do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Strangers don't. Complete rude ignorant rabble rousers do."

Sorry you feel that way dude. Was really hoping we could be friends

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is very interesting.... I'm going to talk in the abstract and probably rustle a few feathers, apologies in advance. We all agree that rape is terribleso don't get on a high horse and try and label me as a pig... I'm just being objective

I'm going to make an argument that a lot of women are primed by the media to be oversensitive to "rape culture". There is no culture of rape, that is a ridiculous concept, we have a drinking culture in Ireland and by comparison we certainly don't have a rape culture. See my post yesterday about Louise O Neill (churnalist) and her obsession with this subject and all things."first world feminism"... Much of it is confirmation bias.

My view on these cases... And I know there are counterarguments about fear of coming forward, confusion etc but I don't buy them...if I was raped my number one priority would be to get medical EVIDENCE to support a trial and bring the fucker down hard, second priority may be violent revenge, who knows.

"

What type of Evidence in your opinion would prove you have been raped?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is very interesting.... I'm going to talk in the abstract and probably rustle a few feathers, apologies in advance. We all agree that rape is terribleso don't get on a high horse and try and label me as a pig... I'm just being objective

I'm going to make an argument that a lot of women are primed by the media to be oversensitive to "rape culture". There is no culture of rape, that is a ridiculous concept, we have a drinking culture in Ireland and by comparison we certainly don't have a rape culture. See my post yesterday about Louise O Neill (churnalist) and her obsession with this subject and all things."first world feminism"... Much of it is confirmation bias.

My view on these cases... And I know there are counterarguments about fear of coming forward, confusion etc but I don't buy them...if I was raped my number one priority would be to get medical EVIDENCE to support a trial and bring the fucker down hard, second priority may be violent revenge, who knows.

What type of Evidence in your opinion would prove you have been raped?

"

For him, a sore arse I'd imagine !!

Just a light hearted take on a serious subject

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vaginal injury, signs of struggle, marks on the body, semen etc.

Standard protocol I imagine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know it's a serious subject was just wondering

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know it's a serious subject was just wondering "

Sorry, I know you were serious I was talking about my response

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess date rape might be different... Hard to get evidence as no violence needed

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Vaginal injury, signs of struggle, marks on the body, semen etc.

Standard protocol I imagine"

Rape is not necessarily roughed up sex.... injuries are not always there.... and as said before the girl was too d*unk to remember let alone give consent.... a lot of people don't go to get medical attention until it's too late after being sexually assaulted..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Vaginal injury, signs of struggle, marks on the body, semen etc.

Standard protocol I imagine

Rape is not necessarily roughed up sex.... injuries are not always there.... and as said before the girl was too d*unk to remember let alone give consent.... a lot of people don't go to get medical attention until it's too late after being sexually assaulted..

"

BUT Why would they be late for something so important?

Secondly you are casting judgement, I know nothing of the case, was there a text as mentioned?

My problem is... And it's not an attack... Just a point.... you and your demographic are programmed to assume he is guilty....after all one in four man are rapists and one in five girls have been raped... Right?

I agree on the violent struggle bit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied??

I understand what you mean and i agree to some extent but if the judge feels she lied then it's his responsibility to give her time behind bars.

Being found innocent doesn't mean the judge thinks she lied. People seem to have some trouble understanding the justice system. An innocent verdict can simply mean it is felt that there is not enough evidence for a conviction. Don't fuck someone that is to d*unk to give proper consent, not even appropriate in a relationship never mind with a stranger "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Vaginal injury, signs of struggle, marks on the body, semen etc.

Standard protocol I imagine

Rape is not necessarily roughed up sex.... injuries are not always there.... and as said before the girl was too d*unk to remember let alone give consent.... a lot of people don't go to get medical attention until it's too late after being sexually assaulted..

BUT Why would they be late for something so important?

Secondly you are casting judgement, I know nothing of the case, was there a text as mentioned?

My problem is... And it's not an attack... Just a point.... you and your demographic are programmed to assume he is guilty....after all one in four man are rapists and one in five girls have been raped... Right?

I agree on the violent struggle bit. "

Because a lot of women are ashamed after something like that happens..... you wouldn't understand that.... and not an attack..... lol yeah right. "You and your demographic"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is very interesting.... I'm going to talk in the abstract and probably rustle a few feathers, apologies in advance. We all agree that rape is terribleso don't get on a high horse and try and label me as a pig... I'm just being objective

I'm going to make an argument that a lot of women are primed by the media to be oversensitive to "rape culture". There is no culture of rape, that is a ridiculous concept, we have a drinking culture in Ireland and by comparison we certainly don't have a rape culture. See my post yesterday about Louise O Neill (churnalist) and her obsession with this subject and all things."first world feminism"... Much of it is confirmation bias.

My view on these cases... And I know there are counterarguments about fear of coming forward, confusion etc but I don't buy them...if I was raped my number one priority would be to get medical EVIDENCE to support a trial and bring the fucker down hard, second priority may be violent revenge, who knows.

"

Medical evidence alone will not get a conviction, well not in a case where both parties are known to one another anyway.

I had a lengthy response written but now I can't be arsed & need wine

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

His life was ruined because she couldn't remember? translates to she finds out he has plenty of dosh and sees dollar signs,dude is found innocent of the charges she should spend equivalent time behind bars.never mind the gender if anybody gets someone locked up unfairly they deserve to spend time behind bars when the truth comes out.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

By accusing a girl of lying you are siding with the rapist. whether you mean to or not! "

you are not siding with "the rapist" if the guy is not a rapist though are you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm attacking the media Katie, that's the difference.

Maybe I'm far too naive... But I still can't see why someone's first instinct would not be to crucify him in court... Obviously the victim will realise that these things can be he said/she said and that is why evidence is crucial to get a conviction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Vaginal injury, signs of struggle, marks on the body, semen etc.

Standard protocol I imagine"

But what's to stop anyone saying she liked rough sex?

Rape isn't always violent either I'd say most women don't struggle out of fear.

Just seems that media and people's definition of what rape actually is are cloudy therefore can be manipulated in either direction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's been a difficult vase and he served time for it but kept fighting even after his release to clear his name . During the appeal the case fell apart when the text she sent bragging about it came to light and also that she had done the exact same thing the week before and the week after the alleged offence ( but with "unknown" men ) . No one will ever know the real truth but I doubt her life has been Rosie since her name was released and his career was ruined . Hopefully some lessons are learnt by all involved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's been a difficult vase and he served time for it but kept fighting even after his release to clear his name . During the appeal the case fell apart when the text she sent bragging about it came to light and also that she had done the exact same thing the week before and the week after the alleged offence ( but with "unknown" men ) . No one will ever know the real truth but I doubt her life has been Rosie since her name was released and his career was ruined . Hopefully some lessons are learnt by all involved "

I remember the day the text came out in court. I knew it was gonna be impossible to hold a conviction against him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Vaginal injury, signs of struggle, marks on the body, semen etc.

Standard protocol I imagine

But what's to stop anyone saying she liked rough sex?

Rape isn't always violent either I'd say most women don't struggle out of fear.

Just seems that media and people's definition of what rape actually is are cloudy therefore can be manipulated in either direction. "

The only thing that matters is the legal definition.

I agree that the media are clouding the definition.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway


"It's been a difficult vase and he served time for it but kept fighting even after his release to clear his name . During the appeal the case fell apart when the text she sent bragging about it came to light and also that she had done the exact same thing the week before and the week after the alleged offence ( but with "unknown" men ) . No one will ever know the real truth but I doubt her life has been Rosie since her name was released and his career was ruined . Hopefully some lessons are learnt by all involved "

Her career was ruined? She was a waitress no? His CAREER was ruined she probably lost her job.

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By *vpamelaTV/TS
over a year ago

kinkville

Lessons learnt?

Would you likw to come back to my hotel?

Sure, I'm just gonna have another drink, then we can leave.

Fuck that! You're gonna say you were too d*unk to consent, I'll get my fun somewherw else or we get you to verbally consent on my video phone...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's been a difficult vase and he served time for it but kept fighting even after his release to clear his name . During the appeal the case fell apart when the text she sent bragging about it came to light and also that she had done the exact same thing the week before and the week after the alleged offence ( but with "unknown" men ) . No one will ever know the real truth but I doubt her life has been Rosie since her name was released and his career was ruined . Hopefully some lessons are learnt by all involved

Her career was ruined? She was a waitress no? His CAREER was ruined she probably lost her job."

He wasn't a fucking doctor, he only kicked a fucking football for god sake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's been a difficult vase and he served time for it but kept fighting even after his release to clear his name . During the appeal the case fell apart when the text she sent bragging about it came to light and also that she had done the exact same thing the week before and the week after the alleged offence ( but with "unknown" men ) . No one will ever know the real truth but I doubt her life has been Rosie since her name was released and his career was ruined . Hopefully some lessons are learnt by all involved

Her career was ruined? She was a waitress no? His CAREER was ruined she probably lost her job."

And he missed out on Wales' first major tournament in 50 years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's been a difficult vase and he served time for it but kept fighting even after his release to clear his name . During the appeal the case fell apart when the text she sent bragging about it came to light and also that she had done the exact same thing the week before and the week after the alleged offence ( but with "unknown" men ) . No one will ever know the real truth but I doubt her life has been Rosie since her name was released and his career was ruined . Hopefully some lessons are learnt by all involved

Her career was ruined? She was a waitress no? His CAREER was ruined she probably lost her job."
I didn't say her career was ruined ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it is proven that false allegations where made she will be charged .

Proven is the key word. Lets not forget we had our own consent case tried and judged by the Irish forum not in the very distant past. The same lady did it twice ,she had a meet posts a glowing verification , a few days later she puts up a vague forum post that she can't be sure she gave consent. Everybody was so violently outraged disgusted & shocked that both guys where hounded from fab their characters destroyed . She later recanted a lot of good that did.

So lucky Ched Evans that he was tried in court of law and not in the Irish Forum

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By *iktikiCouple
over a year ago

city centre


"Interesting case tbh. If he's found to be innocent then she should receive jail time imo

Why do you say that?

Because if he's found to be innocent then she has ruined the man's life with her lies. Those allegations never go away. She should be locked up

just because he was found innnocent doesnt necesserily mean she lied?? "

Whoa

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway


"It's been a difficult vase and he served time for it but kept fighting even after his release to clear his name . During the appeal the case fell apart when the text she sent bragging about it came to light and also that she had done the exact same thing the week before and the week after the alleged offence ( but with "unknown" men ) . No one will ever know the real truth but I doubt her life has been Rosie since her name was released and his career was ruined . Hopefully some lessons are learnt by all involved

Her career was ruined? She was a waitress no? His CAREER was ruined she probably lost her job.

He wasn't a fucking doctor, he only kicked a fucking football for god sake "

Jesus wept

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I bet his Fiancèe & newborn son are relieved.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

you must remember the other guy was found innocent originally so if she was too d*unk to give concent for one then both should have been convicted.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

but it highlights the dangers of playing with people that are obviously too d*unk to know what they are doing. its why i dont play with people who are overtly d*unk its better to put them to bed and risk insulting them than getting charged with rape.

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By *iktikiCouple
over a year ago

city centre

Just can't help wondering will his former employers do anything to right the wrong they inflicted on him and what do the the people who hounded him out of the one club that were willing to take him on until proven guilty have to say now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just can't help wondering will his former employers do anything to right the wrong they inflicted on him and what do the the people who hounded him out of the one club that were willing to take him on until proven guilty have to say now?"

They didn't do anything wrong. They acted appropriately after their employee was found guilty of rape.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway


"Just can't help wondering will his former employers do anything to right the wrong they inflicted on him and what do the the people who hounded him out of the one club that were willing to take him on until proven guilty have to say now?

They didn't do anything wrong. They acted appropriately after their employee was found guilty of rape."

But a wrong was still done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't comment on this case but if you're so d*unk you're incoherent and basically passed out then yes it's rape. If you're just d*unk and so is he and you regret it the next day that doesn't make it rape. I know someone that had a one night stand with someone and then bombarded him with texts to hang out the next day. He who was also d*unk didn't wanna know so 4 months later she decides she was raped and goes to the gardai. Now his job is on the line.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *he Kinky KinksCouple
over a year ago

Dublin-Kildare

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By *iktikiCouple
over a year ago

city centre


"Just can't help wondering will his former employers do anything to right the wrong they inflicted on him and what do the the people who hounded him out of the one club that were willing to take him on until proven guilty have to say now?

They didn't do anything wrong. They acted appropriately after their employee was found guilty of rape."

They cancelled his contract before he was found guilty the first time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who knows where the truth lays really my gut tells me she wantd sex was subconiously aware of ched having his turn, told a friend and after reflection the opportunity for a payday occurred.

No crime committed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just can't help wondering will his former employers do anything to right the wrong they inflicted on him and what do the the people who hounded him out of the one club that were willing to take him on until proven guilty have to say now?

They didn't do anything wrong. They acted appropriately after their employee was found guilty of rape.

They cancelled his contract before he was found guilty the first time "

Just looked at it on the BBC sport website. It says he was found guilty on 20/4/2012 & released from contract with them on 30/5/2012...

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By *aturefun2Couple
over a year ago

Lisburn

Are you for real?

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

To all the people chastising Evans on here he was rightly in my opinion found not guilty yet you still wish to demonise him instead of the girl who "couldn't remember" (cough bullshit) the argument I have heard on a lot of social media is if she is done for causing his life to be turned upside down it will deter others from coming forward with real rapes,so it seems it is ok for a guy to be a victim of a miscarriage of justice but not a female? Equality rules so long as some are more equal than others eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To all the people chastising Evans on here he was rightly in my opinion found not guilty yet you still wish to demonise him instead of the girl who "couldn't remember" (cough bullshit) the argument I have heard on a lot of social media is if she is done for causing his life to be turned upside down it will deter others from coming forward with real rapes,so it seems it is ok for a guy to be a victim of a miscarriage of justice but not a female? Equality rules so long as some are more equal than others eh?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To all the people chastising Evans on here he was rightly in my opinion found not guilty yet you still wish to demonise him instead of the girl who "couldn't remember" (cough bullshit) the argument I have heard on a lot of social media is if she is done for causing his life to be turned upside down it will deter others from coming forward with real rapes,so it seems it is ok for a guy to be a victim of a miscarriage of justice but not a female? Equality rules so long as some are more equal than others eh?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am aware that this is only my opinion but I'm gonna say it anyway...

I'd rather 10 men be wrongly accused, and later found not quilty, than have one rapist walking the streets.

I'll get my coat

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway


"I am aware that this is only my opinion but I'm gonna say it anyway...

I'd rather 10 men be wrongly accused, and later found not quilty, than have one rapist walking the streets.

I'll get my coat"

You are entitled to your opinion same as all on here,so in essence you would rather 10 males serve time for something they have not done as per Ched Evans than 1 guy walking the streets as a rapist,it may seem ok to you right now but put your brother/son/dad in the position of 3 of those males locked up and having their lives stained for so long as they live and losing their jobs possibly homes and friends/families along with their liberty does it then seem like a fair exchange? What about the young lad stabbed to death over a false rape claim recently or the guys who have committed suicide due to their lives being turned to shit over false allegations is it still ok for your 10 v 1 situation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am aware that this is only my opinion but I'm gonna say it anyway...

I'd rather 10 men be wrongly accused, and later found not quilty, than have one rapist walking the streets.

I'll get my coat

You are entitled to your opinion same as all on here,so in essence you would rather 10 males serve time for something they have not done as per Ched Evans than 1 guy walking the streets as a rapist,it may seem ok to you right now but put your brother/son/dad in the position of 3 of those males locked up and having their lives stained for so long as they live and losing their jobs possibly homes and friends/families along with their liberty does it then seem like a fair exchange? What about the young lad stabbed to death over a false rape claim recently or the guys who have committed suicide due to their lives being turned to shit over false allegations is it still ok for your 10 v 1 situation?"

In one word, Yes.

Speaking about the Irish courts only for a minute, the ratio of cases being reported is 1/10 and only 7% secures a conviction, in essence only 1 in every 100 victims will see their attacker pay, so I stand by what I said.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway


"I am aware that this is only my opinion but I'm gonna say it anyway...

I'd rather 10 men be wrongly accused, and later found not quilty, than have one rapist walking the streets.

I'll get my coat

You are entitled to your opinion same as all on here,so in essence you would rather 10 males serve time for something they have not done as per Ched Evans than 1 guy walking the streets as a rapist,it may seem ok to you right now but put your brother/son/dad in the position of 3 of those males locked up and having their lives stained for so long as they live and losing their jobs possibly homes and friends/families along with their liberty does it then seem like a fair exchange? What about the young lad stabbed to death over a false rape claim recently or the guys who have committed suicide due to their lives being turned to shit over false allegations is it still ok for your 10 v 1 situation?

In one word, Yes.

Speaking about the Irish courts only for a minute, the ratio of cases being reported is 1/10 and only 7% secures a conviction, in essence only 1 in every 100 victims will see their attacker pay, so I stand by what I said.

"

so you have no qualms about the poor young lad stabbed to death over a false allegation and you have no problem with the countless lives ended/destroyed by false allegations?that's good to know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Allegations are made in all walks of life..

Some true some false..

People get hurt.

Innocent people get accused and sometimes convicted.

Guilty people sometimes get away with a crime.

Guilty vs innocence is what the legal process lives on, but verdicts have little or nothing to do with either.

The judge and jury can only base their decision on the admissible facts that are presented to them. Depending on what way a case is presented and the evidence used they try to give the correct decision.

The law states that someone is innocent until proven guilty..society often does not.

Rape cases are notoriously difficult to get a conviction

on mostly due to the "consent" factor .. and that many rapes are committed by people known to the victim .

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway


"I am aware that this is only my opinion but I'm gonna say it anyway...

I'd rather 10 men be wrongly accused, and later found not quilty, than have one rapist walking the streets.

I'll get my coat

You are entitled to your opinion same as all on here,so in essence you would rather 10 males serve time for something they have not done as per Ched Evans than 1 guy walking the streets as a rapist,it may seem ok to you right now but put your brother/son/dad in the position of 3 of those males locked up and having their lives stained for so long as they live and losing their jobs possibly homes and friends/families along with their liberty does it then seem like a fair exchange? What about the young lad stabbed to death over a false rape claim recently or the guys who have committed suicide due to their lives being turned to shit over false allegations is it still ok for your 10 v 1 situation?

In one word, Yes.

Speaking about the Irish courts only for a minute, the ratio of cases being reported is 1/10 and only 7% secures a conviction, in essence only 1 in every 100 victims will see their attacker pay, so I stand by what I said.

so you have no qualms about the poor young lad stabbed to death over a false allegation and you have no problem with the countless lives ended/destroyed by false allegations?that's good to know."

Just to add a little we all know that rape is a heinous crime and should never happen but a lot of rape victims I would guess have gone on to live pretty decent lives and more power to them for doing so but 100% of the guys who are dead over the false allegations did not go on to have nice lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am aware that this is only my opinion but I'm gonna say it anyway...

I'd rather 10 men be wrongly accused, and later found not quilty, than have one rapist walking the streets.

I'll get my coat

You are entitled to your opinion same as all on here,so in essence you would rather 10 males serve time for something they have not done as per Ched Evans than 1 guy walking the streets as a rapist,it may seem ok to you right now but put your brother/son/dad in the position of 3 of those males locked up and having their lives stained for so long as they live and losing their jobs possibly homes and friends/families along with their liberty does it then seem like a fair exchange? What about the young lad stabbed to death over a false rape claim recently or the guys who have committed suicide due to their lives being turned to shit over false allegations is it still ok for your 10 v 1 situation?

In one word, Yes.

Speaking about the Irish courts only for a minute, the ratio of cases being reported is 1/10 and only 7% secures a conviction, in essence only 1 in every 100 victims will see their attacker pay, so I stand by what I said.

so you have no qualms about the poor young lad stabbed to death over a false allegation and you have no problem with the countless lives ended/destroyed by false allegations?that's good to know.

Just to add a little we all know that rape is a heinous crime and should never happen but a lot of rape victims I would guess have gone on to live pretty decent lives and more power to them for doing so but 100% of the guys who are dead over the false allegations did not go on to have nice lives."

You might want to educate yourself before you make ridiculous speculations.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway


"I am aware that this is only my opinion but I'm gonna say it anyway...

I'd rather 10 men be wrongly accused, and later found not quilty, than have one rapist walking the streets.

I'll get my coat

You are entitled to your opinion same as all on here,so in essence you would rather 10 males serve time for something they have not done as per Ched Evans than 1 guy walking the streets as a rapist,it may seem ok to you right now but put your brother/son/dad in the position of 3 of those males locked up and having their lives stained for so long as they live and losing their jobs possibly homes and friends/families along with their liberty does it then seem like a fair exchange? What about the young lad stabbed to death over a false rape claim recently or the guys who have committed suicide due to their lives being turned to shit over false allegations is it still ok for your 10 v 1 situation?

In one word, Yes.

Speaking about the Irish courts only for a minute, the ratio of cases being reported is 1/10 and only 7% secures a conviction, in essence only 1 in every 100 victims will see their attacker pay, so I stand by what I said.

so you have no qualms about the poor young lad stabbed to death over a false allegation and you have no problem with the countless lives ended/destroyed by false allegations?that's good to know.

Just to add a little we all know that rape is a heinous crime and should never happen but a lot of rape victims I would guess have gone on to live pretty decent lives and more power to them for doing so but 100% of the guys who are dead over the false allegations did not go on to have nice lives.

You might want to educate yourself before you make ridiculous speculations.

"

Ridiculous speculation? I am quoting on factual happenings.Men have been killed or taken their own lives over allegations of rape,women have gone on record saying they have not let the fact they have been raped be what defines them and have led amazing lives after the fact, so please educate me as to where I am engaged in as you put it " ridiculous speculations" I await your answer with baited breath.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am aware that this is only my opinion but I'm gonna say it anyway...

I'd rather 10 men be wrongly accused, and later found not quilty, than have one rapist walking the streets.

I'll get my coat

You are entitled to your opinion same as all on here,so in essence you would rather 10 males serve time for something they have not done as per Ched Evans than 1 guy walking the streets as a rapist,it may seem ok to you right now but put your brother/son/dad in the position of 3 of those males locked up and having their lives stained for so long as they live and losing their jobs possibly homes and friends/families along with their liberty does it then seem like a fair exchange? What about the young lad stabbed to death over a false rape claim recently or the guys who have committed suicide due to their lives being turned to shit over false allegations is it still ok for your 10 v 1 situation?

In one word, Yes.

Speaking about the Irish courts only for a minute, the ratio of cases being reported is 1/10 and only 7% secures a conviction, in essence only 1 in every 100 victims will see their attacker pay, so I stand by what I said.

so you have no qualms about the poor young lad stabbed to death over a false allegation and you have no problem with the countless lives ended/destroyed by false allegations?that's good to know.

Just to add a little we all know that rape is a heinous crime and should never happen but a lot of rape victims I would guess have gone on to live pretty decent lives and more power to them for doing so but 100% of the guys who are dead over the false allegations did not go on to have nice lives.

You might want to educate yourself before you make ridiculous speculations.

Ridiculous speculation? I am quoting on factual happenings.Men have been killed or taken their own lives over allegations of rape,women have gone on record saying they have not let the fact they have been raped be what defines them and have led amazing lives after the fact, so please educate me as to where I am engaged in as you put it " ridiculous speculations" I await your answer with baited breath."

No need. I deal with the facts and statistics, if you don't want to be educated then there is nothing I can do about it.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway


"I am aware that this is only my opinion but I'm gonna say it anyway...

I'd rather 10 men be wrongly accused, and later found not quilty, than have one rapist walking the streets.

I'll get my coat

You are entitled to your opinion same as all on here,so in essence you would rather 10 males serve time for something they have not done as per Ched Evans than 1 guy walking the streets as a rapist,it may seem ok to you right now but put your brother/son/dad in the position of 3 of those males locked up and having their lives stained for so long as they live and losing their jobs possibly homes and friends/families along with their liberty does it then seem like a fair exchange? What about the young lad stabbed to death over a false rape claim recently or the guys who have committed suicide due to their lives being turned to shit over false allegations is it still ok for your 10 v 1 situation?

In one word, Yes.

Speaking about the Irish courts only for a minute, the ratio of cases being reported is 1/10 and only 7% secures a conviction, in essence only 1 in every 100 victims will see their attacker pay, so I stand by what I said.

so you have no qualms about the poor young lad stabbed to death over a false allegation and you have no problem with the countless lives ended/destroyed by false allegations?that's good to know.

Just to add a little we all know that rape is a heinous crime and should never happen but a lot of rape victims I would guess have gone on to live pretty decent lives and more power to them for doing so but 100% of the guys who are dead over the false allegations did not go on to have nice lives.

You might want to educate yourself before you make ridiculous speculations.

Ridiculous speculation? I am quoting on factual happenings.Men have been killed or taken their own lives over allegations of rape,women have gone on record saying they have not let the fact they have been raped be what defines them and have led amazing lives after the fact, so please educate me as to where I am engaged in as you put it " ridiculous speculations" I await your answer with baited breath.

No need. I deal with the facts and statistics, if you don't want to be educated then there is nothing I can do about it. "

so you are aware of each and EVERY case of false allegations and their and outcomes you are in touch with EVERY victim of rape or would it be that you tried and failed to push a point without actually having the statistics you purport to have backing you up? I am not saying you have an agenda but by saying I have used ridiculous speculation without then showing what I have allegedly speculated about you come across (to me) as just another SJW who sees every man as a potentisl rapist and every woman as a potential victim.If only we had a way of checking my RIDICULOUS SPECULATIONS some kind of INTERconnected NETwork of computers that have access to FACTS and figures of people killing themselves or being killed due to false allegations I could be vindicated,this INTERconnected NETwork could also be used to lets say hmmmmm GOOGLE stories about rape victims who have themselves said they have become stronger after being raped and refused to let the actions against them define them. Perhaps then my RIDICULOUS SPECULATIONS could be seen as not speculation but FACT. SO my point stands that your original post on this particular thread about the 10 v 1 is an opinion you are indeed entitled to but in my opinion a wrong one.

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