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"They call in sick... blue flu it's called. " Is that stronger or weaker than man flu? | |||
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"They call in sick... blue flu it's called. Is that stronger or weaker than man flu?" Nothing can be worse than man flu  | |||
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"They call in sick... blue flu it's called. Is that stronger or weaker than man flu? Nothing can be worse than man flu "Ah here now mr c - I didn't have you pegged as a big jesse  | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it?" . Going Bowling?? | |||
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"They call in sick... blue flu it's called. Is that stronger or weaker than man flu? Nothing can be worse than man flu
Ah here now mr c - I didn't have you pegged as a big jesse "The new me lol , sure I even went to work with a plaster on my heel today | |||
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"They call in sick... blue flu it's called. Is that stronger or weaker than man flu? Nothing can be worse than man flu "It's swine flu  | |||
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"They call in sick... blue flu it's called. Is that stronger or weaker than man flu? Nothing can be worse than man flu
Ah here now mr c - I didn't have you pegged as a big jesse
The new me lol , sure I even went to work with a plaster on my heel today "Achilles' heel? | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it?" Yes it is Candy, blue flu came about as a result of previous work to rule and working contract hours only, no overtime  | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it?" everyone has the right to withhold their labour | |||
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"They call in sick... blue flu it's called. Is that stronger or weaker than man flu? Nothing can be worse than man flu
Ah here now mr c - I didn't have you pegged as a big jesse
The new me lol , sure I even went to work with a plaster on my heel today
Achilles' heel?"No poxy cut on my heel.True story never felt like such a pussy in my life | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour " Nope it's legislation here | |||
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"They call in sick... blue flu it's called. Is that stronger or weaker than man flu? Nothing can be worse than man flu
Ah here now mr c - I didn't have you pegged as a big jesse "Ha! It's YEARS since I heard someone called that!! Ya big Jessie! Lol | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Nope it's legislation here" That's not what I said. I said that everyone has the right to withhold their labour. unless you believe that legislation trumps a basic human right acknowledged throughout the civilised world ? | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Nope it's legislation here That's not what I said. I said that everyone has the right to withhold their labour. unless you believe that legislation trumps a basic human right acknowledged throughout the civilised world ?" My bad It read like you ment it was legal... | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Nope it's legislation here That's not what I said. I said that everyone has the right to withhold their labour. unless you believe that legislation trumps a basic human right acknowledged throughout the civilised world ?" What's the difference between a strike and a workforce refusing to work? | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Nope it's legislation here That's not what I said. I said that everyone has the right to withhold their labour. unless you believe that legislation trumps a basic human right acknowledged throughout the civilised world ? What's the difference between a strike and a workforce refusing to work? " I think 2-4 means they will work to rule and no more? If it's not work I revert to my previous point.. they cannot strike/withhold labour as it is written into legislation that a member of the Garda cannot do so. | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Nope it's legislation here That's not what I said. I said that everyone has the right to withhold their labour. unless you believe that legislation trumps a basic human right acknowledged throughout the civilised world ? What's the difference between a strike and a workforce refusing to work? I think 2-4 means they will work to rule and no more? If it's not work I revert to my previous point.. they cannot strike/withhold labour as it is written into legislation that a member of the Garda cannot do so. " Nope I meant that everyone has tge right to withold their labour - you can call it a strike or a workforce refusing to work - to me they're interchangeable terms. Whether they should or not is a different subject - but in my opinion they have a basic human right to do so. I'm sure lots will disagree with me however ... | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Nope it's legislation here" And similar North of the border although for the PSNI and not the Garda obviously. | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Nope it's legislation here That's not what I said. I said that everyone has the right to withhold their labour. unless you believe that legislation trumps a basic human right acknowledged throughout the civilised world ? What's the difference between a strike and a workforce refusing to work? I think 2-4 means they will work to rule and no more? If it's not work I revert to my previous point.. they cannot strike/withhold labour as it is written into legislation that a member of the Garda cannot do so. Nope I meant that everyone has tge right to withold their labour - you can call it a strike or a workforce refusing to work - to me they're interchangeable terms. Whether they should or not is a different subject - but in my opinion they have a basic human right to do so. I'm sure lots will disagree with me however ..." Ok, in most cases I would agree but when a body of the state that is there for the protection of its citizens is involved then no, I don't believe they should be allowed to. | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour " Tell that to a lady who's 9 months pregnant and whos water has broken... | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Tell that to a lady who's 9 months pregnant and whos water has broken..." Ridiculous post - why not include fire fighters / army / doctors / power plant workers / health & safety officials / road maintenance workers etc etc Sure you go ahead and pick who should be allowed to withold their labour and let us know ... | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Tell that to a lady who's 9 months pregnant and whos water has broken... Ridiculous post - why not include fire fighters / army / doctors / power plant workers / health & safety officials / road maintenance workers etc etc Sure you go ahead and pick who should be allowed to withold their labour and let us know ..." LOL That went right over your head didn't it | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Tell that to a lady who's 9 months pregnant and whos water has broken... Ridiculous post - why not include fire fighters / army / doctors / power plant workers / health & safety officials / road maintenance workers etc etc Sure you go ahead and pick who should be allowed to withold their labour and let us know ..." ...I think you may have missed the joke... "labour"....? | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Tell that to a lady who's 9 months pregnant and whos water has broken... Ridiculous post - why not include fire fighters / army / doctors / power plant workers / health & safety officials / road maintenance workers etc etc Sure you go ahead and pick who should be allowed to withold their labour and let us know ... ...I think you may have missed the joke... "labour"....? "*titters  | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Tell that to a lady who's 9 months pregnant and whos water has broken... Ridiculous post - why not include fire fighters / army / doctors / power plant workers / health & safety officials / road maintenance workers etc etc Sure you go ahead and pick who should be allowed to withold their labour and let us know ... ...I think you may have missed the joke... "labour"....?
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Tell that to a lady who's 9 months pregnant and whos water has broken... Ridiculous post - why not include fire fighters / army / doctors / power plant workers / health & safety officials / road maintenance workers etc etc Sure you go ahead and pick who should be allowed to withold their labour and let us know ... LOL That went right over your head didn't it "Damn ! I couldn't see it up here on my high horse | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Tell that to a lady who's 9 months pregnant and whos water has broken... Ridiculous post - why not include fire fighters / army / doctors / power plant workers / health & safety officials / road maintenance workers etc etc Sure you go ahead and pick who should be allowed to withold their labour and let us know ... LOL That went right over your head didn't it
Damn ! I couldn't see it up here on my high horse "
Thank God you can laugh about it now: I though you were going to track me down and cut my nads off..! | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Tell that to a lady who's 9 months pregnant and whos water has broken... Ridiculous post - why not include fire fighters / army / doctors / power plant workers / health & safety officials / road maintenance workers etc etc Sure you go ahead and pick who should be allowed to withold their labour and let us know ... LOL That went right over your head didn't it
Damn ! I couldn't see it up here on my high horse
Thank God you can laugh about it now: I though you were going to track me down and cut my nads off..! " | |||
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"If the essential services like army and cops were allowed strike they could hold the country to ransom to give into their demands" I think it is the standard in most western countries that civil servants who are contractual bonded by oath to their service are not entitled to actions like strike. Public employees like teachers, medical staff in public hospitals and other employees of state operated entities do have the right to strike. Garda, military and navy are not employees but public servants. In theory they cannot be fired like employees. To terminate a public servant premature to the due date of his or her committed service time requires lots of legal efforts or illegal mobbing to push the one of concern out of service...unless the servant has committed a serious crime or committed a serious violation of his/her oath , given when starting to serve the public. For this reason usually public servants are not entitled to use strike as form of action to defend their interest. But in most countries there are substituting solutions in place which de facto are derrivative variants of strike even if de jure one may not call those actions a strike | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Nope it's legislation here That's not what I said. I said that everyone has the right to withhold their labour. unless you believe that legislation trumps a basic human right acknowledged throughout the civilised world ? What's the difference between a strike and a workforce refusing to work? I think 2-4 means they will work to rule and no more? If it's not work I revert to my previous point.. they cannot strike/withhold labour as it is written into legislation that a member of the Garda cannot do so. Nope I meant that everyone has tge right to withold their labour - you can call it a strike or a workforce refusing to work - to me they're interchangeable terms. Whether they should or not is a different subject - but in my opinion they have a basic human right to do so. I'm sure lots will disagree with me however ..." Of course everyone has a right to strike. Strikers should not however expect any sympathy from members of the public. In any job it is impossible to be either overpaid or underpaid as pay rates will adjust to market forces . Anyone who is underpaid can simply leave their role and obtain a better position elsewhere. Strikers are people who have little consideration for others and in many cases resort to blackmail and intimidation. Everything that you have in life has to be worked for. I agree tbat everyone has a right to withold their labour. We should however have plans in place to replace them with alternative workers and as such never have to give in the the demands of strikers . Public sector workers should appreciate that they are funded by tax payers and in many cases their working conditions are superior to those in the private sector. | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Nope it's legislation here That's not what I said. I said that everyone has the right to withhold their labour. unless you believe that legislation trumps a basic human right acknowledged throughout the civilised world ? What's the difference between a strike and a workforce refusing to work? I think 2-4 means they will work to rule and no more? If it's not work I revert to my previous point.. they cannot strike/withhold labour as it is written into legislation that a member of the Garda cannot do so. Nope I meant that everyone has tge right to withold their labour - you can call it a strike or a workforce refusing to work - to me they're interchangeable terms. Whether they should or not is a different subject - but in my opinion they have a basic human right to do so. I'm sure lots will disagree with me however ... Of course everyone has a right to strike. Strikers should not however expect any sympathy from members of the public. In any job it is impossible to be either overpaid or underpaid as pay rates will adjust to market forces . Anyone who is underpaid can simply leave their role and obtain a better position elsewhere. Strikers are people who have little consideration for others and in many cases resort to blackmail and intimidation. Everything that you have in life has to be worked for. I agree tbat everyone has a right to withold their labour. We should however have plans in place to replace them with alternative workers and as such never have to give in the the demands of strikers . Public sector workers should appreciate that they are funded by tax payers and in many cases their working conditions are superior to those in the private sector. " I think this statement isn't really fair. For the hours and the pay a nurse in hospital gets - I wouldn't show up for breakfast. For the pay a Garda brings home I wouldn't volunteer to do his job and the fact that many members of the law enforcement struggle to make ends meet is a known fact and makes them actually vulnerable to the temptation of illoyalty to keep their families afloat. It's a different story for administrative public service, but those in the front line of public service to everyone's benefit e.g. Hospital staff, law enforcement , teachers, fire brigade etc, I believe that their contribution should be appreciated accordingly and that is often not the case.....not only in Ireland though, but that's beside the point | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Nope it's legislation here That's not what I said. I said that everyone has the right to withhold their labour. unless you believe that legislation trumps a basic human right acknowledged throughout the civilised world ? What's the difference between a strike and a workforce refusing to work? I think 2-4 means they will work to rule and no more? If it's not work I revert to my previous point.. they cannot strike/withhold labour as it is written into legislation that a member of the Garda cannot do so. " Nor can the defence forces as far as im aware.. | |||
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"I say fair play to them,if the government want them to do their dirty work then they should be made pay well for it ....." Thats telling them that if they are paid enough they will become just a full time private security firm for the government. | |||
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"For the Garda to strike isn't it? everyone has the right to withhold their labour Nope it's legislation here That's not what I said. I said that everyone has the right to withhold their labour. unless you believe that legislation trumps a basic human right acknowledged throughout the civilised world ? What's the difference between a strike and a workforce refusing to work? I think 2-4 means they will work to rule and no more? If it's not work I revert to my previous point.. they cannot strike/withhold labour as it is written into legislation that a member of the Garda cannot do so. Nope I meant that everyone has tge right to withold their labour - you can call it a strike or a workforce refusing to work - to me they're interchangeable terms. Whether they should or not is a different subject - but in my opinion they have a basic human right to do so. I'm sure lots will disagree with me however ... Of course everyone has a right to strike. Strikers should not however expect any sympathy from members of the public. In any job it is impossible to be either overpaid or underpaid as pay rates will adjust to market forces . Anyone who is underpaid can simply leave their role and obtain a better position elsewhere. Strikers are people who have little consideration for others and in many cases resort to blackmail and intimidation. Everything that you have in life has to be worked for. I agree tbat everyone has a right to withold their labour. We should however have plans in place to replace them with alternative workers and as such never have to give in the the demands of strikers . Public sector workers should appreciate that they are funded by tax payers and in many cases their working conditions are superior to those in the private sector. I think this statement isn't really fair. For the hours and the pay a nurse in hospital gets - I wouldn't show up for breakfast. For the pay a Garda brings home I wouldn't volunteer to do his job and the fact that many members of the law enforcement struggle to make ends meet is a known fact and makes them actually vulnerable to the temptation of illoyalty to keep their families afloat. It's a different story for administrative public service, but those in the front line of public service to everyone's benefit e.g. Hospital staff, law enforcement , teachers, fire brigade etc, I believe that their contribution should be appreciated accordingly and that is often not the case.....not only in Ireland though, but that's beside the point" They are not paid enough I agree but nobody is forcing them to do the poorly paid job... | |||
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"If they strike and it's illegal who's going I to go out and arrest them anyway? "I think its illegal in civil law terms rather than criminal law so they wouldnt need to be arrested as such...just summoned to a civil court... | |||
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"If they strike and it's illegal who's going I to go out and arrest them anyway?
I think its illegal in civil law terms rather than criminal law so they wouldnt need to be arrested as such...just summoned to a civil court..." | |||
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"If they strike and it's illegal who's going I to go out and arrest them anyway? "...there would be no one to arrest 15yr olds for kidnapping Joan the moan then.....give them whatever they want. ..damn those commoners for protesting !! | |||
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"If they strike and it's illegal who's going I to go out and arrest them anyway? ...there would be no one to arrest 15yr olds for kidnapping Joan the moan then.....give them whatever they want. ..damn those commoners for protesting !!"This whole Joan story is getting more ridiculous as longer as it goes on, hope the young man has a good legal team. | |||
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"If they strike and it's illegal who's going I to go out and arrest them anyway? ...there would be no one to arrest 15yr olds for kidnapping Joan the moan then.....give them whatever they want. ..damn those commoners for protesting !!
This whole Joan story is getting more ridiculous as longer as it goes on, hope the young man has a good legal team. "..evidence "submitted" by an inspector was allowed. ..but he won't actually be called to testify. . Political policing? Ask the people of rossport or the water protesters around the country. ..don't take my word for it. ... | |||
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"If they strike and it's illegal who's going I to go out and arrest them anyway? ...there would be no one to arrest 15yr olds for kidnapping Joan the moan then.....give them whatever they want. ..damn those commoners for protesting !!
This whole Joan story is getting more ridiculous as longer as it goes on, hope the young man has a good legal team. ..evidence "submitted" by an inspector was allowed. ..but he won't actually be called to testify. . Political policing? Ask the people of rossport or the water protesters around the country. ..don't take my word for it. ..."Don't get me going wq, I might be arrested over speaking out my mind and I wouldn't be the first one it happened to... | |||
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"If they strike and it's illegal who's going I to go out and arrest them anyway? ...there would be no one to arrest 15yr olds for kidnapping Joan the moan then.....give them whatever they want. ..damn those commoners for protesting !!
This whole Joan story is getting more ridiculous as longer as it goes on, hope the young man has a good legal team. ..evidence "submitted" by an inspector was allowed. ..but he won't actually be called to testify. . Political policing? Ask the people of rossport or the water protesters around the country. ..don't take my word for it. ...
Don't get me going wq, I might be arrested over speaking out my mind and I wouldn't be the first one it happened to..."...oh I forgot about the students being baton charged for staging a sit down protest over student fees... | |||
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"The unions and civil servants will once again bring this country to its knees. In the private you earn what you work for.. In the public sector you turn up and get paid with no value put on what you have produced, or in the case of a large part of the public sector, no accountability for what you produce. For those who may feel I may be unfair to nurses, teachers etc who do a magnificent job, they are burdened with the very large number of people in their sector who fail miserably at what they do and yet hold a job for life with pension for just turning up. Until this is resolved, and will take a real politician to do it, our great little country will continue to flounder Just a thought !!!! " I first was worried your post what be traditional public service bashing but you distinction did set it right. Pretty much in most countries within Europe, the vast non productive overheads is a serious fund drainer on tax payers back. Sort of a new aristocracy and public offices are merely used to appreciate fab ours by granting well paid posts for doubtful favors the political elite is providing each other. But returning to the topic, I consider current industrial action of the police force as legitimate. | |||
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"The unions and civil servants will once again bring this country to its knees. In the private you earn what you work for.. In the public sector you turn up and get paid with no value put on what you have produced, or in the case of a large part of the public sector, no accountability for what you produce. For those who may feel I may be unfair to nurses, teachers etc who do a magnificent job, they are burdened with the very large number of people in their sector who fail miserably at what they do and yet hold a job for life with pension for just turning up. Until this is resolved, and will take a real politician to do it, our great little country will continue to flounder Just a thought !!!! I first was worried your post what be traditional public service bashing but you distinction did set it right. Pretty much in most countries within Europe, the vast non productive overheads is a serious fund drainer on tax payers back. Sort of a new aristocracy and public offices are merely used to appreciate fab ours by granting well paid posts for doubtful favors the political elite is providing each other. But returning to the topic, I consider current industrial action of the police force as legitimate. " Careful there 67 It's not industrial action of the Garda, it's action of the individual Garda. | |||
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"The unions and civil servants will once again bring this country to its knees. In the private you earn what you work for.. In the public sector you turn up and get paid with no value put on what you have produced, or in the case of a large part of the public sector, no accountability for what you produce. For those who may feel I may be unfair to nurses, teachers etc who do a magnificent job, they are burdened with the very large number of people in their sector who fail miserably at what they do and yet hold a job for life with pension for just turning up. Until this is resolved, and will take a real politician to do it, our great little country will continue to flounder Just a thought !!!! I first was worried your post what be traditional public service bashing but you distinction did set it right. Pretty much in most countries within Europe, the vast non productive overheads is a serious fund drainer on tax payers back. Sort of a new aristocracy and public offices are merely used to appreciate fab ours by granting well paid posts for doubtful favors the political elite is providing each other. But returning to the topic, I consider current industrial action of the police force as legitimate. Careful there 67 It's not industrial action of the Garda, it's action of the individual Garda. "True, thanks for pointing it out | |||
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"The unions and civil servants will once again bring this country to its knees. In the private you earn what you work for.. In the public sector you turn up and get paid with no value put on what you have produced, or in the case of a large part of the public sector, no accountability for what you produce. For those who may feel I may be unfair to nurses, teachers etc who do a magnificent job, they are burdened with the very large number of people in their sector who fail miserably at what they do and yet hold a job for life with pension for just turning up. Until this is resolved, and will take a real politician to do it, our great little country will continue to flounder Just a thought !!!! I first was worried your post what be traditional public service bashing but you distinction did set it right. Pretty much in most countries within Europe, the vast non productive overheads is a serious fund drainer on tax payers back. Sort of a new aristocracy and public offices are merely used to appreciate fab ours by granting well paid posts for doubtful favors the political elite is providing each other. But returning to the topic, I consider current industrial action of the police force as legitimate. " Ah shite, auto text made a mockup of this post, hope one gets the point tho | |||
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"Iv done a little check and ... The law is unclear as to whether or not it would be illegal for individual members of An Garda Síochána to go on strike as there are no specific prohibitions. BUT they are likely to open themselves up to prosecution or civil liability if they do, because they do not have the same protections as other workers. Under industrial relations legislation, gardaí are excluded from protections for striking workers." Hence the blue flu. Gotcha. | |||
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"If the essential services like army and cops were allowed strike they could hold the country to ransom to give into their demands I think it is the standard in most western countries that civil servants who are contractual bonded by oath to their service are not entitled to actions like strike. Public employees like teachers, medical staff in public hospitals and other employees of state operated entities do have the right to strike. Garda, military and navy are not employees but public servants. In theory they cannot be fired like employees. To terminate a public servant premature to the due date of his or her committed service time requires lots of legal efforts or illegal mobbing to push the one of concern out of service...unless the servant has committed a serious crime or committed a serious violation of his/her oath , given when starting to serve the public. For this reason usually public servants are not entitled to use strike as form of action to defend their interest. But in most countries there are substituting solutions in place which de facto are derrivative variants of strike even if de jure one may not call those actions a strike" Quite a few continental countries have a situation where members of the police force or fire service are permitted to legally go on strike but that's mitigated by the possibility for mayors or the equivalent of the home secretary to lawfully order at least emergency cover provisions. Police officers can also be members of regular unions, not so in Ireland and the UK where it's either the Federation or the AGSI or GRA one has to join. | |||
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"If the essential services like army and cops were allowed strike they could hold the country to ransom to give into their demands I think it is the standard in most western countries that civil servants who are contractual bonded by oath to their service are not entitled to actions like strike. Public employees like teachers, medical staff in public hospitals and other employees of state operated entities do have the right to strike. Garda, military and navy are not employees but public servants. In theory they cannot be fired like employees. To terminate a public servant premature to the due date of his or her committed service time requires lots of legal efforts or illegal mobbing to push the one of concern out of service...unless the servant has committed a serious crime or committed a serious violation of his/her oath , given when starting to serve the public. For this reason usually public servants are not entitled to use strike as form of action to defend their interest. But in most countries there are substituting solutions in place which de facto are derrivative variants of strike even if de jure one may not call those actions a strike Quite a few continental countries have a situation where members of the police force or fire service are permitted to legally go on strike but that's mitigated by the possibility for mayors or the equivalent of the home secretary to lawfully order at least emergency cover provisions. Police officers can also be members of regular unions, not so in Ireland and the UK where it's either the Federation or the AGSI or GRA one has to join." Really ? Benelux and Germany, Austria and Switzerland don't belong to those countries. Only public service staff which is not bound by oath to serve the state is entitled to strike. However as mentioned before there are legal substitutes in place -same effect but different legal title. | |||
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"They can do whatever they want, they're the Garda. They act like that every other day of the year, so four strike days wouldn't make much difference. " Abuse of the powers which comes with wearing the blue uniform is a different topic all together , it seems to be a serious issue in Oreland though | |||
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