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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

How fucking stupid are people on here that they see a profile go up with a phone number that they think it real. They get set and go off line. And yes it is my phone number going up. Cop on guys really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone has given your number out?

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin

one must ask then, how they got your number?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow! Saw that...ignored that for exactly those reasons.

Now answer my texts

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By *s2b3cMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Can I have your number?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you not put this thread up already (de ja vu)

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"Did you not put this thread up already (de ja vu) "

Yep, I just green arrowed it.

Dude, stop giving out your number!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How fucking stupid are people on here that they see a profile go up with a phone number that they think it real. They get set and go off line. And yes it is my phone number going up. Cop on guys really "

Again? The same people? How can they be allowed to do this to someone? You might be better changing your number. I doubt you'll get much help here. Some people are just shit (for doing this)

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By *hocko87Man
over a year ago

dublin

I sent them a message please take down ur number , so d feickers used ur number sorry I though they were 2 silly young ones .

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

You no idea who you gave your number out to on here.

You must have rightly passed some one off, if they keep setting up fake profiles and posting your number.

Think you only option would be to change your number as it was suggested and stick to messaging from fab or Kiki or something...

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"You no idea who you gave your number out to on here.

You must have rightly passed some one off, if they keep setting up fake profiles and posting your number.

Think you only option would be to change your number as it was suggested and stick to messaging from fab or Kiki or something...

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He may not have pissed anyone off at all. This kind of behaviour takes little effort.

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

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"You no idea who you gave your number out to on here.

You must have rightly passed some one off, if they keep setting up fake profiles and posting your number.

Think you only option would be to change your number as it was suggested and stick to messaging from fab or Kiki or something...

He may not have pissed anyone off at all. This kind of behaviour takes little effort. "

I am sure he didn't, feel sorry for the bloke.

Would defo change my number if it kept happening to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You no idea who you gave your number out to on here.

You must have rightly passed some one off, if they keep setting up fake profiles and posting your number.

Think you only option would be to change your number as it was suggested and stick to messaging from fab or Kiki or something...

He may not have pissed anyone off at all. This kind of behaviour takes little effort.

I am sure he didn't, feel sorry for the bloke.

Would defo change my number if it kept happening to me."

It's a bit of an inconvenience though, having to change your number. Whoever is responsible for doing this should never be allowed another profile on here ever again.

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

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"You no idea who you gave your number out to on here.

You must have rightly passed some one off, if they keep setting up fake profiles and posting your number.

Think you only option would be to change your number as it was suggested and stick to messaging from fab or Kiki or something...

He may not have pissed anyone off at all. This kind of behaviour takes little effort.

I am sure he didn't, feel sorry for the bloke.

Would defo change my number if it kept happening to me.

It's a bit of an inconvenience though, having to change your number. Whoever is responsible for doing this should never be allowed another profile on here ever again. "

I agree, but how are they to be caught.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You no idea who you gave your number out to on here.

You must have rightly passed some one off, if they keep setting up fake profiles and posting your number.

Think you only option would be to change your number as it was suggested and stick to messaging from fab or Kiki or something...

He may not have pissed anyone off at all. This kind of behaviour takes little effort.

I am sure he didn't, feel sorry for the bloke.

Would defo change my number if it kept happening to me.

It's a bit of an inconvenience though, having to change your number. Whoever is responsible for doing this should never be allowed another profile on here ever again.

I agree, but how are they to be caught."

I would imagine that where there's a will there's a way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not only his number been put up ... mine is also been put up and I have not given it to anyone on fab .... now they're obviously on this site and its not only putting contact details up ... it's sending abusive mails... fab has to be monitored daily ... accounts reported daily.... numbers have been changed it is someone on here who knows us both outside fab... and I know whoever you are your reading this ....just wait until late I find you ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not only his number been put up ... mine is also been put up and I have not given it to anyone on fab .... now they're obviously on this site and its not only putting contact details up ... it's sending abusive mails... fab has to be monitored daily ... accounts reported daily.... numbers have been changed it is someone on here who knows us both outside fab... and I know whoever you are your reading this ....just wait until late I find you ..."

Is it time to bring in the gardaí? I really can't understand why this kind of behaviour is allowed to happen on here.

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

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"It's not only his number been put up ... mine is also been put up and I have not given it to anyone on fab .... now they're obviously on this site and its not only putting contact details up ... it's sending abusive mails... fab has to be monitored daily ... accounts reported daily.... numbers have been changed it is someone on here who knows us both outside fab... and I know whoever you are your reading this ....just wait until late I find you ...

Is it time to bring in the gardaí? I really can't understand why this kind of behaviour is allowed to happen on here. "

Be hard to go to the guarda from a site like here, I wouldn't have the balls too...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not only his number been put up ... mine is also been put up and I have not given it to anyone on fab .... now they're obviously on this site and its not only putting contact details up ... it's sending abusive mails... fab has to be monitored daily ... accounts reported daily.... numbers have been changed it is someone on here who knows us both outside fab... and I know whoever you are your reading this ....just wait until late I find you ...

Is it time to bring in the gardaí? I really can't understand why this kind of behaviour is allowed to happen on here.

Be hard to go to the guarda from a site like here, I wouldn't have the balls too..."

Then obviously you haven't had too much hassle here. Standing up to a bully might seem hard, but as far as I know, no one ever died from embarrassment. Someone is hassling the OP and the lady who posted above. Because they think like you do, that the people being harassed will be too embarrassed to tell. Therein lies the power that this sick person is holding. Take it away and what do they have?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It has gone as far as the guards but not been taken very seriously at all... as the profiles are either deleted or removed ... and then put up again .... very hard to prove it .... and contacting site for ip doesn't get you anywhere ...same advice given by the guards change your number constantly ... this has been done to many times now .... to the "culprit" I'm here too talk to me directly if you have the balls....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not only his number been put up ... mine is also been put up and I have not given it to anyone on fab .... now they're obviously on this site and its not only putting contact details up ... it's sending abusive mails... fab has to be monitored daily ... accounts reported daily.... numbers have been changed it is someone on here who knows us both outside fab... and I know whoever you are your reading this ....just wait until late I find you ...

Is it time to bring in the gardaí? I really can't understand why this kind of behaviour is allowed to happen on here.

Be hard to go to the guarda from a site like here, I wouldn't have the balls too...

Then obviously you haven't had too much hassle here. Standing up to a bully might seem hard, but as far as I know, no one ever died from embarrassment. Someone is hassling the OP and the lady who posted above. Because they think like you do, that the people being harassed will be too embarrassed to tell. Therein lies the power that this sick person is holding. Take it away and what do they have?"

Nailed it!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It has gone as far as the guards but not been taken very seriously at all... as the profiles are either deleted or removed ... and then put up again .... very hard to prove it .... and contacting site for ip doesn't get you anywhere ...same advice given by the guards change your number constantly ... this has been done to many times now .... to the "culprit" I'm here too talk to me directly if you have the balls...."

Unfortunately the IP address can be easily hidden so it may not be the one they are actually using. Change your number is the best way...getting a new sim is very easy if you're not of contract and it doesn't take long for friends to be told and update new details.

Then only use kik for fab and others.

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"It has gone as far as the guards but not been taken very seriously at all... as the profiles are either deleted or removed ... and then put up again .... very hard to prove it .... and contacting site for ip doesn't get you anywhere ...same advice given by the guards change your number constantly ... this has been done to many times now .... to the "culprit" I'm here too talk to me directly if you have the balls...."

Are you saying you've changed your number a few times and it keeps happening?

Then it has to be someone who knows you well enough to know when you've a new number.

Creepy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This person didn't know I was here ... number has been changed repeatedly since this started....I know its not easy to trace them or believe me i would know who it is by now... I'm fully aware what they're up to trying to play the pair of us of each other.... I've had enough ...again to "culprit" you have our numbers ... it's not working this time... so call me or him directly if you have the balls stop hiding behind a computer...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well who do you and he both know well enough to exchange numbers? freaky...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's the point appart from both of us having each others number (why we have been until late now getting effectively played of each other ) no one ... this person has been sourcing numbers from other ways by getting it of op from fake profiles on here or other sites... or from him directly and either asking for my number of friends or getting it off me ... so it has to be someone who knows one of us personal and back ground connection....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 03/09/16 18:51:14]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Their has been at least 8 profiles today ... three more since I commented on here ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Their has been at least 8 profiles today ... three more since I commented on here ...."

And they all have your phone number on them, or his?? Are you reporting each profile?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both phone numbers are going on them and when people cop on to that... separate profiles go up... new men... new woman ... new couples... very bad spelling...yes I am reporting them... cools down for awhile .... then starts again... numbers are even appearing elsewhere and on fabgays... and unless one of us gets verified on that site we are counting on other people's good graces to report them ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This person didn't know I was here ... number has been changed repeatedly since this started....I know its not easy to trace them or believe me i would know who it is by now... I'm fully aware what they're up to trying to play the pair of us of each other.... I've had enough ...again to "culprit" you have our numbers ... it's not working this time... so call me or him directly if you have the balls stop hiding behind a computer... "

Jaysus! This place gets more bizarre every day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...bizarre.....isn't that a nice word?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...bizarre.....isn't that a nice word?"

Umm ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bizarre is putting it very politely... what this person has been doing ...vicious facticious rumours have been spread about op and me through private messages on here as well... I've been quite about it until now sitting back watching and hoping this person will fuck up... enough is enough now ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bizarre is putting it very politely... what this person has been doing ...vicious facticious rumours have been spread about op and me through private messages on here as well... I've been quite about it until now sitting back watching and hoping this person will fuck up... enough is enough now ..."

If you give them enough rope....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bizarre is putting it very politely... what this person has been doing ...vicious facticious rumours have been spread about op and me through private messages on here as well... I've been quite about it until now sitting back watching and hoping this person will fuck up... enough is enough now ..."

Good for you. Now you're angry enough to get it sorted. I wish you the best of luck.

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By *j47Man
over a year ago

limerick


"Bizarre is putting it very politely... what this person has been doing ...vicious facticious rumours have been spread about op and me through private messages on here as well... I've been quite about it until now sitting back watching and hoping this person will fuck up... enough is enough now ..."

Just pm u a suggestion may be a bit long winded but might produce a result

Stand up to the bullies don't let them win

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By *ain4uWoman
over a year ago

dublin

Sorry this is happening to u xxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This person didn't know I was here ... number has been changed repeatedly since this started....I know its not easy to trace them or believe me i would know who it is by now... I'm fully aware what they're up to trying to play the pair of us of each other.... I've had enough ...again to "culprit" you have our numbers ... it's not working this time... so call me or him directly if you have the balls stop hiding behind a computer...

Jaysus! This place gets more bizarre every day "

It does but little surprises me here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This person didn't know I was here ... number has been changed repeatedly since this started....I know its not easy to trace them or believe me i would know who it is by now... I'm fully aware what they're up to trying to play the pair of us of each other.... I've had enough ...again to "culprit" you have our numbers ... it's not working this time... so call me or him directly if you have the balls stop hiding behind a computer...

Jaysus! This place gets more bizarre every day

It does but little surprises me here."

Bizarre isn't the right word apparently

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

Fair play for you reporting it to the gardai, probably is just myself that wouldn't have the balls to report it. It all does seem a bit creepy the lengths the person or persons have gone through, from putting up your numbers, to sending yous abuse. I hope yous do catch them, sooner rather than later, so all this can stop for yourselves...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry didn't mean to pull you up on bizarre and sorry if it was rude of me.... it's been an extremely tough few days and my phonesty hasn't stopped hopping from this shite ... and it's still going on now ... x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fair play for you reporting it to the gardai, probably is just myself that wouldn't have the balls to report it. It all does seem a bit creepy the lengths the person or persons have gone through, from putting up your numbers, to sending yous abuse. I hope yous do catch them, sooner rather than later, so all this can stop for yourselves..."

Sometimes going to the guards is the best option. Even the threat of it might be enough to get them to back off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry didn't mean to pull you up on bizarre and sorry if it was rude of me.... it's been an extremely tough few days and my phonesty hasn't stopped hopping from this shite ... and it's still going on now ... x"

Can you block numbers not in your contact list?

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

It's a sick joke that they have being playing on yous and worse again it could be someone close to yous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry didn't mean to pull you up on bizarre and sorry if it was rude of me.... it's been an extremely tough few days and my phonesty hasn't stopped hopping from this shite ... and it's still going on now ... x"

No, absolutely not. I didn't want you to think I was minimising your situation by using the word bizarre. My apologies if that's how you saw it. It was just the first word that came into my head.

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

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"Fair play for you reporting it to the gardai, probably is just myself that wouldn't have the balls to report it. It all does seem a bit creepy the lengths the person or persons have gone through, from putting up your numbers, to sending yous abuse. I hope yous do catch them, sooner rather than later, so all this can stop for yourselves...

Sometimes going to the guards is the best option. Even the threat of it might be enough to get them to back off. "

Fair point...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No need to apologies x I should of been so short with you x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No need to apologies x I should of been so short with you x"

You weren't, but it would be understandable anyway xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here we go again another profile !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jesus! I just searched new women

Reporting now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Report two so far one seems to have been deleted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Report two so far one seems to have been deleted "

One is suspended.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here we go again another profile !!! "

Download blocker app...its free and you can block any new numbers not in your address book. That may help for a while.

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

I reported, but I am sure that ain't going to stop them...

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy


"Here we go again another profile !!!

Download blocker app...its free and you can block any new numbers not in your address book. That may help for a while."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here we go again another profile !!! "

Who approves these new profiles, knowing they're being created to cause distress to you and the OP? Makes no sense to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is absolutely no vetting ofor profiles on here I'm afraid why it keeps happening...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is absolutely no vetting ofor profiles on here I'm afraid why it keeps happening..."

How can they...they've nothing to go by except existing members policing it. Even then it doesn't always work. It's why so many gave requested better process for applications.

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By *ub_leitrim_guyMan
over a year ago

Out in the sticks


"There is absolutely no vetting ofor profiles on here I'm afraid why it keeps happening...

How can they...they've nothing to go by except existing members policing it. Even then it doesn't always work. It's why so many gave requested better process for applications. "

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If someone is using their own ISP account they can be very easily identified.

I can go into Mohill and at least 4 other locations anonymously use their Free WiFi, I can then go to Carrick and use 6 there, 2 in Drumshambo, create profiles at all of them and be completely untraceable!

I could create 12 anonymous profiles if I wanted, all I have to note is which one is at what location.

Before anyone asks... I only have the one FAB profile!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you for the call blocker advice... still happening but calls are been blocked straight away with the app x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get a separate fab phone and give the number out to whoever you like

Turn it on and off whenever you like and ignore the twats that phone it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thank you for the call blocker advice... still happening but calls are been blocked straight away with the app x"

Hopefully they'll get bored and stop soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thank you for the call blocker advice... still happening but calls are been blocked straight away with the app x"

Good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is absolutely no vetting ofor profiles on here I'm afraid why it keeps happening...

How can they...they've nothing to go by except existing members policing it. Even then it doesn't always work. It's why so many gave requested better process for applications.

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If someone is using their own ISP account they can be very easily identified.

I can go into Mohill and at least 4 other locations anonymously use their Free WiFi, I can then go to Carrick and use 6 there, 2 in Drumshambo, create profiles at all of them and be completely untraceable!

I could create 12 anonymous profiles if I wanted, all I have to note is which one is at what location.

Before anyone asks... I only have the one FAB profile!

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They can use a VAN app which disguises it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm still puzzled.

First of all though how stupid can someone be to think a newly listed profile has a real phone number.

But my puzzle is if you have changed your number and they are posting the new number. Has to be someone you know surely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's trying to find out who it is... I've said it has to be someone who know's us both and common background and knows how to get our phone numbers...so I have been given some very helpful ideas to them out ... to find out who it is by people on the post x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's trying to find out who it is... I've said it has to be someone who know's us both and common background and knows how to get our phone numbers...so I have been given some very helpful ideas to them out ... to find out who it is by people on the post x"

I hope you do find who it is because that's nasty and immature

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By *hocko87Man
over a year ago

dublin

This messing has gone way to far now posting people's numbers on here . How did they get ur phone number . We will have to find out how they got ur number .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jaysus!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I could find out for definite how they got both are numbers...then they cold be caught without a doubt .... I personally don't give my number out to anyone I don't actually know ( unless a friend keeps passing my number on to someone )... we don't have any mutual friends .... and even though numbers get changed it keeps happening.... I only came back on here to draw them out and catch them.... but I have had enough now so "you" know I'm here... time to end this crap...

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin

I hope you catch them and nail their balls to the wall.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I intend too x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hope you catch them and nail their balls to the wall. "

This

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"I hope you catch them and nail their balls to the wall.

This "

What if they've none? Balls I mean....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hope you catch them and nail their balls to the wall.

This

What if they've none? Balls I mean.... "

Then I'd nail their boobs....and put the pics up!!

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By *alwayBlackcockMan
over a year ago

Galway

Sorry about that man so sickos on this alrite

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By *alwayBlackcockMan
over a year ago

Galway

I have a similar issue with my skype ID must have turned down a meet with a guy(Because am straight) and the person was not happy and put my skype ID on a gay forum now guys constantly add me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hope you catch them and nail their balls to the wall.

This

What if they've none? Balls I mean....

Then I'd nail their boobs....and put the pics up!! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you very much to the prankster who is doing this who thought it would be very funny to send a group of very in rage men to my home and families residence at the early hours of the morning looking for a gang bang... and resulted in me been verbally abused and threathen.... You have taken it to far now ....just wait

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By *ohn MingoMan
over a year ago

Dublin


"Thank you very much to the prankster who is doing this who thought it would be very funny to send a group of very in rage men to my home and families residence at the early hours of the morning looking for a gang bang... and resulted in me been verbally abused and threathen.... You have taken it to far now ....just wait"

This is completely a matter for the authorities now.

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over a year ago


"Thank you very much to the prankster who is doing this who thought it would be very funny to send a group of very in rage men to my home and families residence at the early hours of the morning looking for a gang bang... and resulted in me been verbally abused and threathen.... You have taken it to far now ....just wait"

Oh my god.

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over a year ago


"Thank you very much to the prankster who is doing this who thought it would be very funny to send a group of very in rage men to my home and families residence at the early hours of the morning looking for a gang bang... and resulted in me been verbally abused and threathen.... You have taken it to far now ....just wait

This is completely a matter for the authorities now. "

This

Hope for their sake they don't get caught by a fabber.

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By *alwayBlackcockMan
over a year ago

Galway


"Thank you very much to the prankster who is doing this who thought it would be very funny to send a group of very in rage men to my home and families residence at the early hours of the morning looking for a gang bang... and resulted in me been verbally abused and threathen.... You have taken it to far now ....just wait"

are you serious? fucking hell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thank you very much to the prankster who is doing this who thought it would be very funny to send a group of very in rage men to my home and families residence at the early hours of the morning looking for a gang bang... and resulted in me been verbally abused and threathen.... You have taken it to far now ....just wait"

Shit. I hope you're all ok

Who knows where you live - maybe thats a clue to you finding them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could it be someone who hacked your email?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thank you very much to the prankster who is doing this who thought it would be very funny to send a group of very in rage men to my home and families residence at the early hours of the morning looking for a gang bang... and resulted in me been verbally abused and threathen.... You have taken it to far now ....just wait"

Not a bit surprised at this, considering the profile I saw last night advertising it. Which remained for about two hours, despite me reporting it. I'm sure I wasn't the only one either.

It must have been terrifying for you and your family

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thank you very much to the prankster who is doing this who thought it would be very funny to send a group of very in rage men to my home and families residence at the early hours of the morning looking for a gang bang... and resulted in me been verbally abused and threathen.... You have taken it to far now ....just wait

Not a bit surprised at this, considering the profile I saw last night advertising it. Which remained for about two hours, despite me reporting it. I'm sure I wasn't the only one either.

It must have been terrifying for you and your family "

What sort of profile is it? Male/couple/female. Whatever it is I doubt whoever is behind it is that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thank you very much to the prankster who is doing this who thought it would be very funny to send a group of very in rage men to my home and families residence at the early hours of the morning looking for a gang bang... and resulted in me been verbally abused and threathen.... You have taken it to far now ....just wait

Not a bit surprised at this, considering the profile I saw last night advertising it. Which remained for about two hours, despite me reporting it. I'm sure I wasn't the only one either.

It must have been terrifying for you and your family

What sort of profile is it? Male/couple/female. Whatever it is I doubt whoever is behind it is that"

It was a male profile. It's gone now.

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By *ain4uWoman
over a year ago

dublin

Oh god. .. that's terrible xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thank you very much to the prankster who is doing this who thought it would be very funny to send a group of very in rage men to my home and families residence at the early hours of the morning looking for a gang bang... and resulted in me been verbally abused and threathen.... You have taken it to far now ....just wait"

It's definitely time to get the authorities involved.

I really hope you get to the bottom of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's another new male one joined 40 min ago with mobile no

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

Maybe the profile and person should be directed to this forum to see what shite they have been causing.

It might give them an idea that plenty of us know about their antics, and are not happy about it.

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By *ain4uWoman
over a year ago

dublin


"Maybe the profile and person should be directed to this forum to see what shite they have been causing.

It might give them an idea that plenty of us know about their antics, and are not happy about it."

Unfortunately bullies don't care about the chaos they cause. ... They love it...

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