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Are men who have sex with TV/CD's straight?

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well theyre having sex with other men...what would you think?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well theyre having sex with other men...what would you think?"

Who cares?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Erm.... Is this a real question???

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Well theyre having sex with other men...what would you think?"

I asked the question for your opinion, i don't know.

People identify themselves so differently these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But there is only one definition for straight...

Gay is gay

Bisexual, bi-curious is everything else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Men sex with men = gay

Not rocket science and it also takes more than a cock in a frock to make a woman

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"But there is only one definition for straight...

Gay is gay

Bisexual, bi-curious is everything else

"

But they see the man as a woman, their look, they're feminine attributes etc, so can that not be considered straight?

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Men sex with men = gay

Not rocket science and it also takes more than a cock in a frock to make a woman "

Off topic, what do you do for traps?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But there is only one definition for straight...

Gay is gay

Bisexual, bi-curious is everything else

But they see the man as a woman, their look, they're feminine attributes etc, so can that not be considered straight?"

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well theyre having sex with other men...what would you think?

Who cares? "

Well the op obviously does...hence why he asked

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"But there is only one definition for straight...

Gay is gay

Bisexual, bi-curious is everything else

But they see the man as a woman, their look, they're feminine attributes etc, so can that not be considered straight?

No"

If you asked a guy who has sex with them, they might have a different answer.

Everyone here is so close minded

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Behind neck presses and another excervise I dreamt up myself lol il pm u

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But there is only one definition for straight...

Gay is gay

Bisexual, bi-curious is everything else

But they see the man as a woman, their look, they're feminine attributes etc, so can that not be considered straight?"

Maybe that's what they say to fool themselves that they're straight and manly but it is what it is... A man fucking a man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But there is only one definition for straight...

Gay is gay

Bisexual, bi-curious is everything else

But they see the man as a woman, their look, they're feminine attributes etc, so can that not be considered straight?

No

If you asked a guy who has sex with them, they might have a different answer.

Everyone here is so close minded "

How is that closed minded? If theyre having sex with other men then theyre obviously gay...or at the very least bisexual

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But there is only one definition for straight...

Gay is gay

Bisexual, bi-curious is everything else

But they see the man as a woman, their look, they're feminine attributes etc, so can that not be considered straight?

No

If you asked a guy who has sex with them, they might have a different answer.

Everyone here is so close minded "

Nobody's close minded... Nobodys gay-bashing... But you asked people's opinion and most seem to disagree with you that's all

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"But there is only one definition for straight...

Gay is gay

Bisexual, bi-curious is everything else

But they see the man as a woman, their look, they're feminine attributes etc, so can that not be considered straight?

Maybe that's what they say to fool themselves that they're straight and manly but it is what it is... A man fucking a man"

I don't know i don't feel like it's black and white. One guy I spoke to has no attractions towards men at all, but can have sex with an effeminate CD/TV once they look very convincing. I can't say he's gay because he doesn't fancy men...

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By *razy-CplCouple
over a year ago

and surrounding areas


"But there is only one definition for straight...

Gay is gay

Bisexual, bi-curious is everything else

But they see the man as a woman, their look, they're feminine attributes etc, so can that not be considered straight?

Maybe that's what they say to fool themselves that they're straight and manly but it is what it is... A man fucking a man

I don't know i don't feel like it's black and white. One guy I spoke to has no attractions towards men at all, but can have sex with an effeminate CD/TV once they look very convincing. I can't say he's gay because he doesn't fancy men..."

When the clothes come off the tv/cd , he has a cock not a foo foo ,so the person who has sex with them knows this , so he defo aint straight , maybe bi , its not rocket science

Mrs crazy

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"But there is only one definition for straight...

Gay is gay

Bisexual, bi-curious is everything else

But they see the man as a woman, their look, they're feminine attributes etc, so can that not be considered straight?

Maybe that's what they say to fool themselves that they're straight and manly but it is what it is... A man fucking a man

I don't know i don't feel like it's black and white. One guy I spoke to has no attractions towards men at all, but can have sex with an effeminate CD/TV once they look very convincing. I can't say he's gay because he doesn't fancy men...

When the clothes come off the tv/cd , he has a cock not a foo foo ,so the person who has sex with them knows this , so he defo aint straight , maybe bi , its not rocket science

Mrs crazy "

Guys I chat to tend to prefer that the TV is still clothed, that's the point. They wouldn't ride them if they saw a cock swinging round like they're about to take off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so basically the guys are into anal sex with another man and that to my mind is not considered straight .

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy

Its defo not straight, bisexual for sure.

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"so basically the guys are into anal sex with another man and that to my mind is not considered straight ."

Well in most our minds if a woman looks like a woman and was born a woman, she's a woman.... But in her mind she's a man, we just choose to ignore how she feels.

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"so basically the guys are into anal sex with another man and that to my mind is not considered straight .

Well in most our minds if a woman looks like a woman and was born a woman, she's a woman.... But in her mind she's a man, we just choose to ignore how she feels."

I need to quote this again because it's important

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just to be clear your question relates to tv transvestite and cd cross dresser no where have you mentioned transsexuals who are entitled to define their own gender as female . transvetites and cross dressers are men with cocks usually .

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"just to be clear your question relates to tv transvestite and cd cross dresser no where have you mentioned transsexuals who are entitled to define their own gender as female . transvetites and cross dressers are men with cocks usually . "

No that point was made to make you aware that because YOU think one way, it doesn't mean that person in their mind is that way.

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By *ohndunboyneMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin


"just to be clear your question relates to tv transvestite and cd cross dresser no where have you mentioned transsexuals who are entitled to define their own gender as female . transvetites and cross dressers are men with cocks usually . "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I don't really care how people choose to identify themselves. It doesn't change anything at the end of the day. It's just another label.

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Personally I don't really care how people choose to identify themselves. It doesn't change anything at the end of the day. It's just another label. "

And that's the point, people have the right to identify as they please. No one has the right to put someome else in whatever box they see fit.

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By *vpamelaTV/TS
over a year ago

kinkville

Depends if the lights are on or off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally I don't really care how people choose to identify themselves. It doesn't change anything at the end of the day. It's just another label.

And that's the point, people have the right to identify as they please. No one has the right to put someome else in whatever box they see fit."

Well that's pretty much how I see it. People would lose their shit if they were told they shouldn't identify as curvy, slim, athletic, bbw etc. However people decide to label themselves is of little consequence to anyone else imo.

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By *safunwituMan
over a year ago

Enniscorthy


"just to be clear your question relates to tv transvestite and cd cross dresser no where have you mentioned transsexuals who are entitled to define their own gender as female . transvetites and cross dressers are men with cocks usually . "

Even if it were a transexual lady, I would still call it bi sex.

Reason being is the fair enough she might identity herself as female, but the fact that there is male parts there does make it bi and not straight.

I think the OP is only fooling himself if he thinks any of what he is suggesting is straight, no harm in being bi.

But I think its making a mockery of any one who is straight to suggest such a thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

at the end of the day the only person you have to reconcile your sexuality with is YOURSELF .How others choose to view it is not really of any concern , so if you want to meet other men for sex and call yourself straight , go right ahead !

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin

All swingers are sluts. They have sex party's and ride each others partners.

You wouldn't agree with that but you don't allow others to choose how they identify themselves.. Interesting

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"just to be clear your question relates to tv transvestite and cd cross dresser no where have you mentioned transsexuals who are entitled to define their own gender as female . transvetites and cross dressers are men with cocks usually .

Even if it were a transexual lady, I would still call it bi sex.

Reason being is the fair enough she might identity herself as female, but the fact that there is male parts there does make it bi and not straight.

I think the OP is only fooling himself if he thinks any of what he is suggesting is straight, no harm in being bi.

But I think its making a mockery of any one who is straight to suggest such a thing."

Well that's your opinion and not everyone agrees but we salute you for it anyway, you can't be right all the time.

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Personally I don't really care how people choose to identify themselves. It doesn't change anything at the end of the day. It's just another label.

And that's the point, people have the right to identify as they please. No one has the right to put someome else in whatever box they see fit.

Well that's pretty much how I see it. People would lose their shit if they were told they shouldn't identify as curvy, slim, athletic, bbw etc. However people decide to label themselves is of little consequence to anyone else imo."

What's bbw? Big black willy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From my experience.. When im dressed up many of the guys do indeed think its a woman..the sexual organs take second stage..straight guys have tried it and much later on they contact me and say hey are you bi or str or gay. Ahem.. Im Trinity.. Straight bi and crossdresser. A trinty of 3 parts of me. Im ok with it..but some guys are indeed fooling themselves for awhile and then they realise hey how many years have i wasted perhaps.. And they say they are bi and the world is a little better for it all.. Hihi..

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By *ohndunboyneMan
over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin


"at the end of the day the only person you have to reconcile your sexuality with is YOURSELF .How others choose to view it is not really of any concern , so if you want to meet other men for sex and call yourself straight , go right ahead ! "

Agreed. Do what you like, call it what you want and fuck the begrudgers/naysayers. If you both enjoy, who cares!

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By *ancylaceloverTV/TS
over a year ago

Limerick


"just to be clear your question relates to tv transvestite and cd cross dresser no where have you mentioned transsexuals who are entitled to define their own gender as female . transvetites and cross dressers are men with cocks usually . "

What relief , as a transvestite I know now I cannot express my gender other than the one I was assigned at birth as obviously I have ba cock!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gay sex is literally twice as manly as hetero sex

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By *oozer24Man
over a year ago

Portlaoise

A holes a hole

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

I'm not in anyway familiar with this scenes, however I always thought CD/TV are men dressed up in woman's clothes while TG/TS are men/women who have a gender identity that differs from their physical gender. As with all those groups or labels the borders are diffused and might even overlap.

Anyhow to answer the original thread question. No I don't think they're straight. Alternatively I could ask you: is a otherwise straight woman who has sex with a TV/CD bisexual?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely the Adams apple, large hands, 5 o clock shadow and male genitalia can't be masked by a bit of mascara and lipstick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm not in anyway familiar with this scenes, however I always thought CD/TV are men dressed up in woman's clothes while TG/TS are men/women who have a gender identity that differs from their physical gender. As with all those groups or labels the borders are diffused and might even overlap.

Anyhow to answer the original thread question. No I don't think they're straight. Alternatively I could ask you: is a otherwise straight woman who has sex with a TV/CD bisexual? "

Blurred lines...it is what it is.

Well said DH

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By *atinaBabeCouple
over a year ago

casa caliente


"Men sex with men = gay

Not rocket science and it also takes more than a cock in a frock to make a woman "
hahaha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First of all, nice use of the term cock is a frock folks. It's about as PC as whale in a veil.

Moving swiftly on. As with most of these types of threads it has very little to do with how any of us view tvs or the sexual practices we choose to share with them. It's almost always about a guys fear of being labeled gay. Bi is bad enough but God forbid the tvs underwear happened to fall of and jesus tap dancing Christ before you know it you have a guy standing in front of you and you've instantly turned into a raging gaylord. Nope not the normal guy dabbling in a little bi fun anymore. You're one of those gays now fella, the shame of it.

If you wanna suck cock then sick a cock.

If you wanna try anal then try anal.

If you wanna dress up as a goat and sing the Russian national anthem then do it but grow a pair of balls and don't fear a label a complete stranger puts on or or even worse a label you put on yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"First of all, nice use of the term cock is a frock folks. It's about as PC as whale in a veil.

Moving swiftly on. As with most of these types of threads it has very little to do with how any of us view tvs or the sexual practices we choose to share with them. It's almost always about a guys fear of being labeled gay. Bi is bad enough but God forbid the tvs underwear happened to fall of and jesus tap dancing Christ before you know it you have a guy standing in front of you and you've instantly turned into a raging gaylord. Nope not the normal guy dabbling in a little bi fun anymore. You're one of those gays now fella, the shame of it.

If you wanna suck cock then sick a cock.

If you wanna try anal then try anal.

If you wanna dress up as a goat and sing the Russian national anthem then do it but grow a pair of balls and don't fear a label a complete stranger puts on or or even worse a label you put on yourself "

this

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin

It's like saying 'I'm not gay but I think my boyfriend might be'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Labels are for clothes not people. Sexuality can very much be a fluid thing. Kinsey's model was very flawed but as an outline it put the figures as, 25% rigidly heterosexual, 10% rigidly homosexual and everyone else on a sliding scale between. That allowed for "contingent homosexuality" i.e. prison, but even without it, people experiment, change or just do what they feel like at a moment in time. The experiences we have don't define or catagorise who we are. So the question is redundant for anyone who is actually open minded.

In other words, who people choose to have sex with is none of my business, nor is how they identify.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's like saying 'I'm not gay but I think my boyfriend might be' "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He must be so far in the closet he's in Narnia...

P.S. just aking for a friend?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"First of all, nice use of the term cock is a frock folks. It's about as PC as whale in a veil.

Moving swiftly on. As with most of these types of threads it has very little to do with how any of us view tvs or the sexual practices we choose to share with them. It's almost always about a guys fear of being labeled gay. Bi is bad enough but God forbid the tvs underwear happened to fall of and jesus tap dancing Christ before you know it you have a guy standing in front of you and you've instantly turned into a raging gaylord. Nope not the normal guy dabbling in a little bi fun anymore. You're one of those gays now fella, the shame of it.

If you wanna suck cock then sick a cock.

If you wanna try anal then try anal.

If you wanna dress up as a goat and sing the Russian national anthem then do it but grow a pair of balls and don't fear a label a complete stranger puts on or or even worse a label you put on yourself "

I think Mr Putin might object to that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The gay or goat bit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no they ain't straight, if they say they are, its a BIG HUMONGOUS LIE !!

lmao. be honest with yourselves !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labels are for clothes not people. Sexuality can very much be a fluid thing. Kinsey's model was very flawed but as an outline it put the figures as, 25% rigidly heterosexual, 10% rigidly homosexual and everyone else on a sliding scale between. That allowed for "contingent homosexuality" i.e. prison, but even without it, people experiment, change or just do what they feel like at a moment in time. The experiences we have don't define or catagorise who we are. So the question is redundant for anyone who is actually open minded.

In other words, who people choose to have sex with is none of my business, nor is how they identify. "

^^^ this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah the 'dont label people' police are out in force again. The op just asked a simple question; it really does have a simple answer. Theres no need to go all raging PC and dramatic about it now, is there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ah the 'dont label people' police are out in force again. The op just asked a simple question; it really does have a simple answer. Theres no need to go all raging PC and dramatic about it now, is there"

I'm the least PC person I know

I gave my opinion because the question was asked. I don't think it was overly dramatic either!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ah the 'dont label people' police are out in force again. The op just asked a simple question; it really does have a simple answer. Theres no need to go all raging PC and dramatic about it now, is there"

You couldn't even give a simple answer in your first response to the OP. Just another standard banana sarcastic answer. If your so concerned why not give us your opinion on the OP's question if you think the rest of us are big to dramatic. Oh sure didn't you know, gay guys love drama

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ah the 'dont label people' police are out in force again. The op just asked a simple question; it really does have a simple answer. Theres no need to go all raging PC and dramatic about it now, is there

You couldn't even give a simple answer in your first response to the OP. Just another standard banana sarcastic answer. If your so concerned why not give us your opinion on the OP's question if you think the rest of us are big to dramatic. Oh sure didn't you know, gay guys love drama "

See my second response on the thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ah the 'dont label people' police are out in force again. The op just asked a simple question; it really does have a simple answer. Theres no need to go all raging PC and dramatic about it now, is there

You couldn't even give a simple answer in your first response to the OP. Just another standard banana sarcastic answer. If your so concerned why not give us your opinion on the OP's question if you think the rest of us are big to dramatic. Oh sure didn't you know, gay guys love drama

See my second response on the thread"

I did which is why your last one seemed pointless

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess it's a question to ask them individually .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ah the 'dont label people' police are out in force again. The op just asked a simple question; it really does have a simple answer. Theres no need to go all raging PC and dramatic about it now, is there"

You can label people if you want, knock yourself out. If it helps you deal with your insecurities who would I be to take that away from you. But apart from helping you manage that, they don't mean anything.

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Ah the 'dont label people' police are out in force again. The op just asked a simple question; it really does have a simple answer. Theres no need to go all raging PC and dramatic about it now, is there

You can label people if you want, knock yourself out. If it helps you deal with your insecurities who would I be to take that away from you. But apart from helping you manage that, they don't mean anything. "

This guy has the answers I was looking for, i didn't actually expect a yes/no because I was hoping swingers (sluts, cough) would understand what labels feel like when it's not how you feel or how you label yourself, sluts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I sometimes feel slutty...I embrace it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As with most of these types of threads it has very little to do with how any of us view tvs or the sexual practices we choose to share with them. It's almost always about a guys fear of being labeled gay. "

Probably the smartest comment on the thread so far. It's difficult to have a nuanced conversation about this with SOME straight people, because some of them fear queerness and couldn't stand to be seen in that way, so they take strong stances on things like defining other peoples sexualities for them.

Like if we pretend everything is black and white then we won't have to question ourselves too much. Just speaking from my experience. Not nowadays thankfully, most of my straight friends are sound, but ya meet the odd one who can't shake the conservative hangover we all seem to have.

Anyway, I thought this was a good read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexuality_spectrum

Fuck categories. Have the craic.

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By *ersitilefunMan
over a year ago

Dungannon

As I scroll down reading comments my eye catches Penelope Pussycats ass pic & I know 1 thing for sure,, it confirms to me that I'm straight (stops reading comments to stare) lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As I scroll down reading comments my eye catches Penelope Pussycats ass pic & I know 1 thing for sure,, it confirms to me that I'm straight (stops reading comments to stare) lol "

Strange choice of body part to use, to affirm your heterosexuality lol

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By *appyone4uMan
over a year ago

Dublin

I know a guy that has sex with trannies and guys, but still considers himself straight because his partners are feminine, and he says he stills prefers women more. I guess its a matter of perspective. Whatever gets you through the day.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

You're only gay if you push. If he backs onto you then it doesn't count. That's what my mammy always told me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I suppose he's got a point. Some here still stick to the old stance of if you enjoy touching a cock you're gay,end of story. There is a wider view out there in which gay guys and tvs are unclean and will do anything, a stigma which is somewhat of a hangover from the HIV scares and misinformation of the 80/90's. If we all started with a clean slate in the morning then putting yourself in a certain group wouldn't be can issue. It's the outdated social stigma we attach to certain malevolent make activities which holds us all back.here is a little excert from the very informative wiki link above. Ask yourselves which group (not label) you fit into and more importantly would you be embarrassed to admit you fell into any bother group

Commonly Labeled Sexualities

Heterosexuality - The attraction of a person to only people of the opposite gender. This is found to be the social norm and is also commonly labeled as “straight”

Bisexuality - The attraction of a person to both the male and female gender. Often the attraction to each gender is assumed to be equal when using this term.

Homosexuality - The attraction of a person to only people of the same gender. There are different labels for males and females who identify with this term.

Gay - Males with an attraction to only the same gender. Also often used to generalize attraction of one gender to other people of the same gender.

Lesbian - Females with an attraction to only the same gender.

Queer - Umbrella term that fits all people who have non-heterosexual attractions.

Asexual - Someone who is not attracted to any gender

Pansexual - Someone who is attracted to people regardless of their gender, attraction to all genders. Can also be known as omnisexual.

Polysexual - Someone who is attracted to multiple, but not all, genders.

Demisexual - Someone who only feels sexually attracted to those who they have a strong, emotional connection to.

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over a year ago


"I know a guy that has sex with trannies and guys, but still considers himself straight because his partners are feminine, and he says he stills prefers women more. I guess its a matter of perspective. Whatever gets you through the day."
...someone open that closet door....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hell to the no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suppose it's up to those men themselves to decide whether they want to consider themsvelves "straight" or not. I feel it lies closer to bisexuality than heterosexuality myself but it's a very subjective topic. Why should those men care what I think either way?

Who actually cares what label other people are at the end of the day? The only persons sexuality you should care about is your own and your partners. Who cares what other people lable themselves as? To be honest the only people I can see caring is those uncomfortable with their own sexuality!

Just one hetrosexual (only has sex with women that where born women) man's opinion. Live and let live, it's 2016 for christ sake!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I suppose it's up to those men themselves to decide whether they want to consider themsvelves "straight" or not. I feel it lies closer to bisexuality than heterosexuality myself but it's a very subjective topic. Why should those men care what I think either way?

Who actually cares what label other people are at the end of the day? The only persons sexuality you should care about is your own and your partners. Who cares what other people lable themselves as? To be honest the only people I can see caring is those uncomfortable with their own sexuality!

Just one hetrosexual (only has sex with women that where born women) man's opinion. Live and let live, it's 2016 for christ sake!

"

This is a really sensible comment, and it's kinda how I feel. The only thing I would say is that (yeah, even now in 2016) it still matters to queer folks what other people think - why? Because a lot of people still think there's something wrong with that way of being. We need queer (or LGBT if you prefer) people to be shown that they will be safe in expressing their sexualities just as straight people do.

Despite legalising gay marriage and passing a gender recognition bill, both of which are really progressive steps, society still has a lot of changing to do. Gay/lesbian/trans people are still being attacked verbally and physically on a regular basis in this country. No matter how you feel about people with cocks liking other people with cock, that's just plain fucked up. The connection between this and the original question, is that attacks like these don't come from a cultural vacuum. They come from a culture where LGBTQ people are viewed as less than completely human, and that attitude is reinforced by people claiming identities on behalf of others.

Back to the original question: a lot of people seem to think it's a simple question with a simple answer, and only one correct answer at that. It isn't. Human sexuality is beautifully complex and varied. Some people who are attracted to gender non-conforming people are straight, others aren't. It's really down to what label you are most comfortable with. What other people say shouldn't matter, but while there are people around who still think it's ok to police other peoples identities, I can't help but be a narky fucker about it. Kisses

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By *igertigerCouple (MM)
over a year ago

nr Letterkenny


"I suppose it's up to those men themselves to decide whether they want to consider themsvelves "straight" or not. I feel it lies closer to bisexuality than heterosexuality myself but it's a very subjective topic. Why should those men care what I think either way?

Who actually cares what label other people are at the end of the day? The only persons sexuality you should care about is your own and your partners. Who cares what other people lable themselves as? To be honest the only people I can see caring is those uncomfortable with their own sexuality!

Just one hetrosexual (only has sex with women that where born women) man's opinion. Live and let live, it's 2016 for christ sake!

This is a really sensible comment, and it's kinda how I feel. The only thing I would say is that (yeah, even now in 2016) it still matters to queer folks what other people think - why? Because a lot of people still think there's something wrong with that way of being. We need queer (or LGBT if you prefer) people to be shown that they will be safe in expressing their sexualities just as straight people do.

Despite legalising gay marriage and passing a gender recognition bill, both of which are really progressive steps, society still has a lot of changing to do. Gay/lesbian/trans people are still being attacked verbally and physically on a regular basis in this country. No matter how you feel about people with cocks liking other people with cock, that's just plain fucked up. The connection between this and the original question, is that attacks like these don't come from a cultural vacuum. They come from a culture where LGBTQ people are viewed as less than completely human, and that attitude is reinforced by people claiming identities on behalf of others.

Back to the original question: a lot of people seem to think it's a simple question with a simple answer, and only one correct answer at that. It isn't. Human sexuality is beautifully complex and varied. Some people who are attracted to gender non-conforming people are straight, others aren't. It's really down to what label you are most comfortable with. What other people say shouldn't matter, but while there are people around who still think it's ok to police other peoples identities, I can't help but be a narky fucker about it. Kisses "

couldn't agree more x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If your with men even who identify as feminine,cd,TVs etc your not straight. Bi curious but so many afraid to admit to it. If my sexual preference was to sleep with butch manly women I'm not straight even if they look like guys. It is what it is even if you don't like labels.

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By *oxylady45Woman
over a year ago

N. Ireland

I have quite a few gay male friends , one is my best friend in the real world from here and other countries , we've had convos bout bi men bi curious etc , every single one of them has said to me that if a man shags another man then he's gay and should admit it , when I ask them would they have any relations with a " bi man or TV " the answer was always a big No No.. I've noticed on fab that a lot of " bi curious " men have mostly veris from other men and lots of men have straight on profile but veris from bi's , what's that all about lol . Each to their own but I think if you shag men then you can't be straight ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

but they dont see themselves as men the whole woman trapped in a mans body thing id say you were bi but not gay because your looking for the feminine part of the tv/ts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"but they dont see themselves as men the whole woman trapped in a mans body thing id say you were bi but not gay because your looking for the feminine part of the tv/ts"
... you're talking about the ts or tv...the thread is about the guys who have sex with them. ..which feminine part btw?...cock or balls?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

more look and how they carry themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is what it is"

No. No it isn't. That's the point. Gender and sexuality are spectrums. We all occupy a point on that spectrum. Which point we occupy can change over time, for some people. For others it won't and that's fine too. Some are comfortable with the labels society imposes on them because of what point they occupy, others aren't. I really don't understand why people feel the need to be so adamant about categorising other people and their experiences.

A persons sexual identity is their own.

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over a year ago


""It is what it is"

No. No it isn't. That's the point. Gender and sexuality are spectrums. We all occupy a point on that spectrum. Which point we occupy can change over time, for some people. For others it won't and that's fine too. Some are comfortable with the labels society imposes on them because of what point they occupy, others aren't. I really don't understand why people feel the need to be so adamant about categorising other people and their experiences.

A persons sexual identity is their own. "
what he said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have quite a few gay male friends , one is my best friend in the real world from here and other countries , we've had convos bout bi men bi curious etc , every single one of them has said to me that if a man shags another man then he's gay and should admit it , when I ask them would they have any relations with a " bi man or TV " the answer was always a big No No.. I've noticed on fab that a lot of " bi curious " men have mostly veris from other men and lots of men have straight on profile but veris from bi's , what's that all about lol . Each to their own but I think if you shag men then you can't be straight .. "

That's probably because bi-erasure is very prevelant amongst gay men. A large proportion of gay men. tend to assume wrongly, based on their own experience, that bisexuality is just part of the process of coming out. Or others assume that bisexuals are just greedy. I would agree whole heartedly that they're not straight, though they are not gay either. In some senses they may not be bi either, which is why the medical profession use the term men who have sex with men.

Once again though, they can call themselves anything they want. No one else here has the right to decide that.

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By *s2b3c OP   Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"I have quite a few gay male friends , one is my best friend in the real world from here and other countries , we've had convos bout bi men bi curious etc , every single one of them has said to me that if a man shags another man then he's gay and should admit it , when I ask them would they have any relations with a " bi man or TV " the answer was always a big No No.. I've noticed on fab that a lot of " bi curious " men have mostly veris from other men and lots of men have straight on profile but veris from bi's , what's that all about lol . Each to their own but I think if you shag men then you can't be straight ..

That's probably because bi-erasure is very prevelant amongst gay men. A large proportion of gay men. tend to assume wrongly, based on their own experience, that bisexuality is just part of the process of coming out. Or others assume that bisexuals are just greedy. I would agree whole heartedly that they're not straight, though they are not gay either. In some senses they may not be bi either, which is why the medical profession use the term men who have sex with men.

Once again though, they can call themselves anything they want. No one else here has the right to decide that. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are people who eat waffo ham vegetarians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""It is what it is"

No. No it isn't. That's the point. Gender and sexuality are spectrums. We all occupy a point on that spectrum. Which point we occupy can change over time, for some people. For others it won't and that's fine too. Some are comfortable with the labels society imposes on them because of what point they occupy, others aren't. I really don't understand why people feel the need to be so adamant about categorising other people and their experiences.

A persons sexual identity is their own. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Labels are for boxes...not people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This still going on. Who really gives a fook about other people's sexual preferences.

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By *orrryMan
over a year ago

Newross

A man is only gay or bi if he would consider having a relationship with an other male simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A man is only gay or bi if he would consider having a relationship with an other male simple "

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


"Are people who eat waffo ham vegetarians."

As long as they don't chew it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are people who eat waffo ham vegetarians.

As long as they don't chew it! "

So now I imagine a guy sucking down a wafery ham sambo telling his hairy beau "I can't push back"

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

the whole what ever a person identifies as is a load of bollox if i identify as a sentient toaster doesn't change that im a male human.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a gay woman who likes to wear masculine clothes seeks a straight woman and they kiss, touch, lick, toy, 69, suck and fuck and end up in a crumpled sweaty mess on the floor, does that make the straight woman late for her bus?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally I don't really care how people choose to identify themselves. It doesn't change anything at the end of the day. It's just another label. "

Brilliant exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the whole what ever a person identifies as is a load of bollox if i identify as a sentient toaster doesn't change that im a male human. "

Hauld on now a minute...I think I need to explain a few things to you about electrical appliances.

Humans, ya see, are biological, and equipped with brains. We can use those brains to consciously alter our biological and social forms. Furthermore, unlike sentient toasters, we exist in reality.

Toasters, on the other had, are household appliances (designed and built by the aforementioned humans), with the sole function of slightly burning bread (or maybe sometimes lighting fags). With the best will in the world, they just can't be as self-guided as we are.

The roles of "man" and "woman" are determined by the societies we live in, not by our bodies. We're all capable of most of the same things, excluding childbirth and lactation for people with wombs, and insemination for people with penises. Beyond that reproductive function, our bodies can do the same stuff. So it really shouldn't matter what human identity you choose for yourself, but YOU CAN CHOOSE IT FOR YOURSELF. I know men with wombs, and I know women without wombs.

If you choose to identify as the gender you were assigned at birth, that's totally fine. But if you're actually secure in that identity then you shouldn't get so pissy about other people changing theirs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People have many identities: gender, occupation, nationality, religion. It's fairly acceptable in most forward-thinking cultures to change the last three, so why not the first?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's worth remembering that a an awful lot of people want an identity which differs from the one they were born with and are happy to be labelled, happy to find a box they can fit into. While most of us are still exploring our opinion only matters to ourselves when it comes to this topic. That's not to say people aren't making valid points but it's simply impossible to answer the OP's original question but I've been pleased to see so many open minded views expressed here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure if it's been mentioned here already- the Kinsey scale is a better barometer for sexual orientation than the simpe , binary, "Gay/Straight" either/or definition. You can occcupy different positions on this scale at different times - as I have - and this satisfies me. I'm usually round 1 or even zero - but have felt 3 and even 4 at times - but this has been rare. Anyway, I think this measurement is a much better way of assessing one's orientation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People have many identities: gender, occupation, nationality, religion. It's fairly acceptable in most forward-thinking cultures to change the last three, so why not the first?"

Because these are all social constructs - sexuality is much more inherent and hard-wired even though it is influenced and constructed by parents and society to some extent. So it is harder to change. Some people are entirely straight, some entirely gay. Many are in between and if you wanted a label for them, they would be bi.But I don't see the need for anyone to adopt labels or stances if they don't want to - people should be free to play with who they want regardless of society's definitions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If a gay woman who likes to wear masculine clothes seeks a straight woman and they kiss, touch, lick, toy, 69, suck and fuck and end up in a crumpled sweaty mess on the floor, does that make the straight woman late for her bus?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""It is what it is"

No. No it isn't. That's the point. Gender and sexuality are spectrums. We all occupy a point on that spectrum. Which point we occupy can change over time, for some people. For others it won't and that's fine too. Some are comfortable with the labels society imposes on them because of what point they occupy, others aren't. I really don't understand why people feel the need to be so adamant about categorising other people and their experiences.

A persons sexual identity is their own. "

Perfect !

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