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"the rising, needs to be commemorated? yes, i do believe so. but at such expense? no. with all that is going on in the country? definitely not. it's beyond disgraceful and getting worse. but the usual tactic will be to blame the people before them.and carry on regardless. no person should be homeless. or hungry. or afraid. this is supposed to be a developed country in the 21st century, but the attitude of those in power stays in the dark ages. " it makes me sick yes we have a massive celebration this weekend but likewise what you said why spend so much on it when much needed funds are needed too house those in serious need they said it costs the state 100 euro too keep 2 adults and 2 children in avarage hotel per night Ryan went on with his maths it turns out it's costing the state 32million per year too house the family's in hotels an emergency accomdation 32m is a lot of money that can easily build some sort of housing or flats etc for them | |||
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"The people of Ireland are to blame,those scumbags in Leinster house called an election recently and most of the people in the Republic of Ireland ran to the polling station to cast their vote and played into their hands instead of demonstrating people power sticking together and standing up for each other us the citizens of the Republic of Ireland instead they go and cast their vote supporting the scumbags in Dail Eireann,we as a nation need to wake up to reality." Can i ask you a hypothetical question??? If you were Taioseach, how would you deal with the homeless crisis?.i agree that all men,women and children are entitled to a home so can you give me a solution thats viable and workable? | |||
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"what would we do? hard to say with out sitting down with the books. *spoiler alert* there's a film called "Dave", from 1993, in which a presidential impersonator brings in his accountant friend to looks at the U.S.A.'s books. sometimes a simplistic look at what they say is a complicated situation might help a lot more. that and politicians willing to do the job right. but at this stage, that film is more realistic. " Shame its just a movie eh!  | |||
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"Most these people are not homeless, they are residing at B&Bs and Hotels." ok let's put ourselfs in there boat we have 2 children in one room with no cooking facilities your room is cleaned for you. You have too leave at a certain hour an be back in a certain hour you have too have your breakfast lunch and dinner in public 7 days a week I'm sorry but no child should have too go true too that people say it's well for them it's not well for them it's not the same family feeling when you can't sit down with your family at the table it's not fair on any child too be stuck in a room with 3 other people | |||
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"Most these people are not homeless, they are residing at B&Bs and Hotels." that is not a home. in anyway shape or form. just a temporary roof over their heads. | |||
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"You know this pisses me off.. For years people walked past the homeless on our City and town streets.. Looked at them like they were shit , or ignored them, choosing to believe that these people CHOSE to be there... Were alkies and druggies not worthy of help.... Hey feckin presto, the housing crisis, families with kids lost their homes, and the bandwagon rolled out... Bleating about Governments ect... If you want to help??? Volunteer for soup runs, soup kitchens, take part in protests, events to raise awareness and much needed spaces in hostels ... Enough of the feckin blame game and guilt tripping "I was once homeless true no fault of my own and it was down too the government an HSE is how I became homeless so I do blame them an certainly not myself yes I was lucky enough that I never done drugs or drank etc or got into any crime but I tell u now when u have no support what's so ever it's so hard too get back on track only for a charity called don boscos I don't know where I would be today and when I got sorted out I wasn't one of those people who ignored the homeless infact when I worked in superquinn at the time I use too give out the food and bread that was not sold that day too local homeless people and if I was in town I'd always drop them a few euro if I had it but most importantly I always use too chat too them like what u sai above most see them as a shit on a shovel which is wrong they are human and should be treated as one not all of us has ignored them just saying is all | |||
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"Most these people are not homeless, they are residing at B&Bs and Hotels." Thats an awful atitude to take.a young mother was on the late late show tonight and lives in hotel accomodation. Theres 526 accounted families living in hotels at a cost of 700 euro per week. Costing the tax payer 21 million over a year alone. Tell me where the sense in that is when several hundred houses would have been built or ghost estates made habitable for a fraction of the cost.?? | |||
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"Most these people are not homeless, they are residing at B&Bs and Hotels. that is not a home. in anyway shape or form. just a temporary roof over their heads. " a very very small roof | |||
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"Most these people are not homeless, they are residing at B&Bs and Hotels. ok let's put ourselfs in there boat we have 2 children in one room with no cooking facilities your room is cleaned for you. You have too leave at a certain hour an be back in a certain hour you have too have your breakfast lunch and dinner in public 7 days a week I'm sorry but no child should have too go true too that people say it's well for them it's not well for them it's not the same family feeling when you can't sit down with your family at the table it's not fair on any child too be stuck in a room with 3 other people " So what is your formula for fixing the situation??.. Punish the scum landlords who hike up rents??.. Fill the ghost housing estates with the homeless families, many claim they want to stay in their own areas btw... Were you always upset anbout homelessness or just recently when it involves normal people??? | |||
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"You know this pisses me off.. For years people walked past the homeless on our City and town streets.. Looked at them like they were shit , or ignored them, choosing to believe that these people CHOSE to be there... Were alkies and druggies not worthy of help.... Hey feckin presto, the housing crisis, families with kids lost their homes, and the bandwagon rolled out... Bleating about Governments ect... If you want to help??? Volunteer for soup runs, soup kitchens, take part in protests, events to raise awareness and much needed spaces in hostels ... Enough of the feckin blame game and guilt tripping I was once homeless true no fault of my own and it was down too the government an HSE is how I became homeless so I do blame them an certainly not myself yes I was lucky enough that I never done drugs or drank etc or got into any crime but I tell u now when u have no support what's so ever it's so hard too get back on track only for a charity called don boscos I don't know where I would be today and when I got sorted out I wasn't one of those people who ignored the homeless infact when I worked in superquinn at the time I use too give out the food and bread that was not sold that day too local homeless people and if I was in town I'd always drop them a few euro if I had it but most importantly I always use too chat too them like what u sai above most see them as a shit on a shovel which is wrong they are human and should be treated as one not all of us has ignored them just saying is all "Good for you and i applaud you for that. Its showing empathy and goodwill when others are low xx  | |||
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"You know this pisses me off.. For years people walked past the homeless on our City and town streets.. Looked at them like they were shit , or ignored them, choosing to believe that these people CHOSE to be there... Were alkies and druggies not worthy of help.... Hey feckin presto, the housing crisis, families with kids lost their homes, and the bandwagon rolled out... Bleating about Governments ect... If you want to help??? Volunteer for soup runs, soup kitchens, take part in protests, events to raise awareness and much needed spaces in hostels ... Enough of the feckin blame game and guilt tripping I was once homeless true no fault of my own and it was down too the government an HSE is how I became homeless so I do blame them an certainly not myself yes I was lucky enough that I never done drugs or drank etc or got into any crime but I tell u now when u have no support what's so ever it's so hard too get back on track only for a charity called don boscos I don't know where I would be today and when I got sorted out I wasn't one of those people who ignored the homeless infact when I worked in superquinn at the time I use too give out the food and bread that was not sold that day too local homeless people and if I was in town I'd always drop them a few euro if I had it but most importantly I always use too chat too them like what u sai above most see them as a shit on a shovel which is wrong they are human and should be treated as one not all of us has ignored them just saying is all "See many people do not have your clear understanding , fantastic that you got help.. You know that many do not due to lack of funding and public awareness on why people end up on the streets... It just angers me that it took a recession, the fall of the Celtic Tiger then the rise of rents which led to children being evicted ect, to waken people up.. | |||
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"Most these people are not homeless, they are residing at B&Bs and Hotels. ok let's put ourselfs in there boat we have 2 children in one room with no cooking facilities your room is cleaned for you. You have too leave at a certain hour an be back in a certain hour you have too have your breakfast lunch and dinner in public 7 days a week I'm sorry but no child should have too go true too that people say it's well for them it's not well for them it's not the same family feeling when you can't sit down with your family at the table it's not fair on any child too be stuck in a room with 3 other people So what is your formula for fixing the situation??.. Punish the scum landlords who hike up rents??.. Fill the ghost housing estates with the homeless families, many claim they want to stay in their own areas btw... Were you always upset anbout homelessness or just recently when it involves normal people???" well id start with higher tax rates for higher earners an yes I would get the ghost estates up and running I'd also capped charge on rents in Dublin and any other county that has shocking rent rates in my eyes rent should only cover half of the mortgage I'd also scrap the rent allowance limit that gives people too rent a property too suit them etc pretty simple too do it amazes that where able too rent a 3 bedroom house for under 500 pm where's Dublin cork Galway etc you most likely wouldn't get a tent for that price so I'd definitely clamp down on landlords charging so much for rent and on top of all of that I certainly wouldn't be wasting much needed money on stupid stuff | |||
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"But here we are tonight kicking the ball around the pitch,why not kick the government in the balls,how many of you went to the polling stations and voted,why didnt you all boycot the election and shame us in the face of Europe for a lowest turnout on record!" well I voted not for the gobshites that are still in power infact I never voted for Fein geal in my life either has my family where all independents in this household along with people before profit etc so not all of us voted them in | |||
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"Most these people are not homeless, they are residing at B&Bs and Hotels. that is not a home. in anyway shape or form. just a temporary roof over their heads. a very very small roof " can't argue with you on that. it's a subject that has always gotten to me, even as a kid i could not get my head around it. as a late thirties man, i still can't fathom it. | |||
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"You know this pisses me off.. For years people walked past the homeless on our City and town streets.. Looked at them like they were shit , or ignored them, choosing to believe that these people CHOSE to be there... Were alkies and druggies not worthy of help.... Hey feckin presto, the housing crisis, families with kids lost their homes, and the bandwagon rolled out... Bleating about Governments ect... If you want to help??? Volunteer for soup runs, soup kitchens, take part in protests, events to raise awareness and much needed spaces in hostels ... Enough of the feckin blame game and guilt tripping I was once homeless true no fault of my own and it was down too the government an HSE is how I became homeless so I do blame them an certainly not myself yes I was lucky enough that I never done drugs or drank etc or got into any crime but I tell u now when u have no support what's so ever it's so hard too get back on track only for a charity called don boscos I don't know where I would be today and when I got sorted out I wasn't one of those people who ignored the homeless infact when I worked in superquinn at the time I use too give out the food and bread that was not sold that day too local homeless people and if I was in town I'd always drop them a few euro if I had it but most importantly I always use too chat too them like what u sai above most see them as a shit on a shovel which is wrong they are human and should be treated as one not all of us has ignored them just saying is all
See many people do not have your clear understanding , fantastic that you got help..
You know that many do not due to lack of funding and public awareness on why people end up on the streets...
It just angers me that it took a recession, the fall of the Celtic Tiger then the rise of rents which led to children being evicted ect, to waken people up.."I can understand where your coming from but that's where this government need too step in and sort it it's going too get worse an worse the longer they leave it there are homeless people who don't want help and are happy the way they are that's up too them but too have a family cramped in one room I'm sorry but that's just not right | |||
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"But here we are tonight kicking the ball around the pitch,why not kick the government in the balls,how many of you went to the polling stations and voted,why didnt you all boycot the election and shame us in the face of Europe for a lowest turnout on record!" No matter what government takes over, the ball will continue going around in circles. Im not backing fine gael here but they took over the disaster that was Ireland at the time and yes hundreds suffered. To lay blame at the door of enda kenny and his crew is wrong. I think theyve tried to make a bad thing good with hundreds still suffering as a result of decisions made before they came into power and not after. | |||
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"You know this pisses me off.. For years people walked past the homeless on our City and town streets.. Looked at them like they were shit , or ignored them, choosing to believe that these people CHOSE to be there... Were alkies and druggies not worthy of help.... Hey feckin presto, the housing crisis, families with kids lost their homes, and the bandwagon rolled out... Bleating about Governments ect... If you want to help??? Volunteer for soup runs, soup kitchens, take part in protests, events to raise awareness and much needed spaces in hostels ... Enough of the feckin blame game and guilt tripping I was once homeless true no fault of my own and it was down too the government an HSE is how I became homeless so I do blame them an certainly not myself yes I was lucky enough that I never done drugs or drank etc or got into any crime but I tell u now when u have no support what's so ever it's so hard too get back on track only for a charity called don boscos I don't know where I would be today and when I got sorted out I wasn't one of those people who ignored the homeless infact when I worked in superquinn at the time I use too give out the food and bread that was not sold that day too local homeless people and if I was in town I'd always drop them a few euro if I had it but most importantly I always use too chat too them like what u sai above most see them as a shit on a shovel which is wrong they are human and should be treated as one not all of us has ignored them just saying is all
Good for you and i applaud you for that. Its showing empathy and goodwill when others are low xx "I just hope the next time someone reading this that it could be them an if u have time say hello too them get them a coffee or a tea you will make there day and you feel great after doing it you will be amazed of how much some of the homeless just want someone too have a chit chat with it was tough on me as back then there was not as many soup runs an that and I couldn't get social payments because I have no address the only thing I got was 67.90 on a emergency payment that's all I was entitled too because of my age that didn't really last too long being honest but I got true it I hung in there and too see people judge them in horrible comments sure they have it great let me tell ya they don't an never will | |||
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"Yes Ellen and how many of them are non nationals?" http://cso.ie/en/census/census2011reports/homelesspersonsinirelandaspecialcensus2011report/ Have a read of this mate, you may get an education  | |||
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"You know this pisses me off.. For years people walked past the homeless on our City and town streets.. Looked at them like they were shit , or ignored them, choosing to believe that these people CHOSE to be there... Were alkies and druggies not worthy of help.... Hey feckin presto, the housing crisis, families with kids lost their homes, and the bandwagon rolled out... Bleating about Governments ect... If you want to help??? Volunteer for soup runs, soup kitchens, take part in protests, events to raise awareness and much needed spaces in hostels ... Enough of the feckin blame game and guilt tripping I was once homeless true no fault of my own and it was down too the government an HSE is how I became homeless so I do blame them an certainly not myself yes I was lucky enough that I never done drugs or drank etc or got into any crime but I tell u now when u have no support what's so ever it's so hard too get back on track only for a charity called don boscos I don't know where I would be today and when I got sorted out I wasn't one of those people who ignored the homeless infact when I worked in superquinn at the time I use too give out the food and bread that was not sold that day too local homeless people and if I was in town I'd always drop them a few euro if I had it but most importantly I always use too chat too them like what u sai above most see them as a shit on a shovel which is wrong they are human and should be treated as one not all of us has ignored them just saying is all
See many people do not have your clear understanding , fantastic that you got help..
You know that many do not due to lack of funding and public awareness on why people end up on the streets...
It just angers me that it took a recession, the fall of the Celtic Tiger then the rise of rents which led to children being evicted ect, to waken people up.. I can understand where your coming from but that's where this government need too step in and sort it it's going too get worse an worse the longer they leave it there are homeless people who don't want help and are happy the way they are that's up too them but too have a family cramped in one room I'm sorry but that's just not right "There have always been families without homes in Ireland, due to a shortage of social housing, high rents, poor accomodation not fit for animals let alone people... However, the recession caused the latest crisis, the Government is not too blame.. Yes they can help fix the problem, cap rents, you suggest taxing higher earners, how far will that go to aleviate the crisis??.... My idea is to stop evictions, insist that banks ect acceot that until the Country fully recovers from the present recession , mortage relief mhst be a top priority.. | |||
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"But here we are tonight kicking the ball around the pitch,why not kick the government in the balls,how many of you went to the polling stations and voted,why didnt you all boycot the election and shame us in the face of Europe for a lowest turnout on record! No matter what government takes over, the ball will continue going around in circles. Im not backing fine gael here but they took over the disaster that was Ireland at the time and yes hundreds suffered. To lay blame at the door of enda kenny and his crew is wrong. I think theyve tried to make a bad thing good with hundreds still suffering as a result of decisions made before they came into power and not after. " To lay the blame at their feet for the problems when they got in government, wrong. To blame them for so many things which have gotten worse, totally right. They have had five years to act. All we got was rhetoric and the blaming of other people. | |||
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"But here we are tonight kicking the ball around the pitch,why not kick the government in the balls,how many of you went to the polling stations and voted,why didnt you all boycot the election and shame us in the face of Europe for a lowest turnout on record! No matter what government takes over, the ball will continue going around in circles. Im not backing fine gael here but they took over the disaster that was Ireland at the time and yes hundreds suffered. To lay blame at the door of enda kenny and his crew is wrong. I think theyve tried to make a bad thing good with hundreds still suffering as a result of decisions made before they came into power and not after. To lay the blame at their feet for the problems when they got in government, wrong. To blame them for so many things which have gotten worse, totally right. They have had five years to act. All we got was rhetoric and the blaming of other people. " 5 years isnt a long time to act to undo damage that was done by Bertie and his gang. The bailout left by bertie was a long enduring legacy. If they had stayed in power what would be the difference be to the issue? Im in the same mindset as probably most of you.. whats the solution? | |||
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"The people of Ireland are to blame,those scumbags in Leinster house called an election recently and most of the people in the Republic of Ireland ran to the polling station to cast their vote and played into their hands instead of demonstrating people power sticking together and standing up for each other us the citizens of the Republic of Ireland instead they go and cast their vote supporting the scumbags in Dail Eireann,we as a nation need to wake up to reality." Couldn't agree more ...not everyone is at their worst but as our constitution states our job is to stand up for our fellow citizens | |||
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"Ok,I rarely post in the forums but reading this thread kinda annoyed me.how someone can say that people,families are not homeless because they are in a hotel,b&b etc is absolutely ridiculous!!!!! My situation at the moment is pretty shit and I have two children,bought a house with their dad seven years ago and we split four years ago.since he has moved on,his new family are more important.the house is going to be repossessed and fuck knows where me and my kids will end up.it's not as easy as just go back out there and get a job,I have a degree but paying for childcare is literally like going out to work just to pay that.I'm sorry if this is long winded but some people just don't have a fucking clue........" Minxy I do not mean to patronise or annoy you but that actually made me feel sad. I hope all works out for you. I will say you are right. I can try to apply logic and so called common sense to it but you are right I haven't a clue | |||
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"Ok,I rarely post in the forums but reading this thread kinda annoyed me.how someone can say that people,families are not homeless because they are in a hotel,b&b etc is absolutely ridiculous!!!!! My situation at the moment is pretty shit and I have two children,bought a house with their dad seven years ago and we split four years ago.since he has moved on,his new family are more important.the house is going to be repossessed and fuck knows where me and my kids will end up.it's not as easy as just go back out there and get a job,I have a degree but paying for childcare is literally like going out to work just to pay that.I'm sorry if this is long winded but some people just don't have a fucking clue........" Sorry to hear about the situation you're currently in.. I hope it can be sorted. Have you taken your ex to court for maintenance? Or could you try and rent rooms out? Could it be sold.. is it in your name or his.. and would you be left with anything after? Sorry if these sound like very simplistic options.. just throughing out some ideas. | |||
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"Ok,I rarely post in the forums but reading this thread kinda annoyed me.how someone can say that people,families are not homeless because they are in a hotel,b&b etc is absolutely ridiculous!!!!! My situation at the moment is pretty shit and I have two children,bought a house with their dad seven years ago and we split four years ago.since he has moved on,his new family are more important.the house is going to be repossessed and fuck knows where me and my kids will end up.it's not as easy as just go back out there and get a job,I have a degree but paying for childcare is literally like going out to work just to pay that.I'm sorry if this is long winded but some people just don't have a fucking clue........ Minxy I do not mean to patronise or annoy you but that actually made me feel sad. I hope all works out for you. I will say you are right. I can try to apply logic and so called common sense to it but you are right I haven't a clue " . thanks very much.look,I hold out great hope that my kids and I will be fine,you need a positive attitude with things like this.as I kinda said,you just never know until its on your own doorstep..... | |||
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"Ok,I rarely post in the forums but reading this thread kinda annoyed me.how someone can say that people,families are not homeless because they are in a hotel,b&b etc is absolutely ridiculous!!!!! My situation at the moment is pretty shit and I have two children,bought a house with their dad seven years ago and we split four years ago.since he has moved on,his new family are more important.the house is going to be repossessed and fuck knows where me and my kids will end up.it's not as easy as just go back out there and get a job,I have a degree but paying for childcare is literally like going out to work just to pay that.I'm sorry if this is long winded but some people just don't have a fucking clue........ Minxy I do not mean to patronise or annoy you but that actually made me feel sad. I hope all works out for you. I will say you are right. I can try to apply logic and so called common sense to it but you are right I haven't a clue . thanks very much.look,I hold out great hope that my kids and I will be fine,you need a positive attitude with things like this.as I kinda said,you just never know until its on your own doorstep....." I would agree there. It is strange that the I'm alright Jack part of human nature is what makes the world strive towards advancements yet when things go wrong shows the human race to be lacking in humanity. | |||
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"Ok,I rarely post in the forums but reading this thread kinda annoyed me.how someone can say that people,families are not homeless because they are in a hotel,b&b etc is absolutely ridiculous!!!!! My situation at the moment is pretty shit and I have two children,bought a house with their dad seven years ago and we split four years ago.since he has moved on,his new family are more important.the house is going to be repossessed and fuck knows where me and my kids will end up.it's not as easy as just go back out there and get a job,I have a degree but paying for childcare is literally like going out to work just to pay that.I'm sorry if this is long winded but some people just don't have a fucking clue........ Minxy I do not mean to patronise or annoy you but that actually made me feel sad. I hope all works out for you. I will say you are right. I can try to apply logic and so called common sense to it but you are right I haven't a clue . thanks very much.look,I hold out great hope that my kids and I will be fine,you need a positive attitude with things like this.as I kinda said,you just never know until its on your own doorstep..... I would agree there. It is strange that the I'm alright Jack part of human nature is what makes the world strive towards advancements yet when things go wrong shows the human race to be lacking in humanity. " . well yes,that can be true but we never really know what goes on in other peoples lives.a smile can hide a thousand tears! Anyhow,onwards and upwards eh  | |||
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"They should do what most others do. They should get a mortgage and buy a house or rent from a private landlord. All of this crap about people deserving to be housed by the State is nonsense. Get a job first, and then get a mortgage or a private dwelling to rent. The sense of entitlement from some people is laughable. " I posted previously saddened by someone situation. However it seemed this person had done all this so their situation moved me. Some people don't have the natural tools to do this and cannot be forgotten by society either. As you say some have sense of entitlement in my opinion also and know what argument gets them what they want. You will always hear about kids and they suffer with depression etc. Is there any solution to this though. I really don't know but we can't sacrifice those who truly need help based on those that ride the system. We probably need someone in media to tell all sides of one of the stories. | |||
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"They should do what most others do. They should get a mortgage and buy a house or rent from a private landlord. All of this crap about people deserving to be housed by the State is nonsense. Get a job first, and then get a mortgage or a private dwelling to rent. The sense of entitlement from some people is laughable. " What about THEY who lost their jobs?.. THEY who could not get a foot on the mortage step, due to horrendous child care costs that requires a huge chunk of THIER expenditure.. THEY who found themselves at the mercy of cut throat Landlords, intent on increasing rents??.. THEY who found themselves on the street after domestic violence??.. Does logic elude you  | |||
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"They should do what most others do. They should get a mortgage and buy a house or rent from a private landlord. All of this crap about people deserving to be housed by the State is nonsense. Get a job first, and then get a mortgage or a private dwelling to rent. The sense of entitlement from some people is laughable. What about THEY who lost their jobs?.. THEY who could not get a foot on the mortage step, due to horrendous child care costs that requires a huge chunk of THIER expenditure.. THEY who found themselves at the mercy of cut throat Landlords, intent on increasing rents??.. THEY who found themselves on the street after domestic violence??.. Does logic elude you " | |||
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"They should do what most others do. They should get a mortgage and buy a house or rent from a private landlord. All of this crap about people deserving to be housed by the State is nonsense. Get a job first, and then get a mortgage or a private dwelling to rent. The sense of entitlement from some people is laughable. " This attitude is unreal. I have a job. I pay child care. I can't get a mortgage on my own and can't afford the high rent in my area Do I feel entitled to some help? Yes, I'll admit I do. I've worked for a long time and paid taxes and never claimed anything from our social welfare system. I was one of the lucky ones who always managed to find a job. But it's not enough. And now I find myself in a situation where I need help. Am I getting any? No. There is nothing there to help me find a home for my family at all. It's frustrating, enraging and depressing. And comments like yours are disgusting and you should feel very ashamed of yourself. You need a serious reality check. | |||
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"They should do what most others do. They should get a mortgage and buy a house or rent from a private landlord. All of this crap about people deserving to be housed by the State is nonsense. Get a job first, and then get a mortgage or a private dwelling to rent. The sense of entitlement from some people is laughable. This attitude is unreal. I have a job. I pay child care. I can't get a mortgage on my own and can't afford the high rent in my area Do I feel entitled to some help? Yes, I'll admit I do. I've worked for a long time and paid taxes and never claimed anything from our social welfare system. I was one of the lucky ones who always managed to find a job. But it's not enough. And now I find myself in a situation where I need help. Am I getting any? No. There is nothing there to help me find a home for my family at all. It's frustrating, enraging and depressing. And comments like yours are disgusting and you should feel very ashamed of yourself. You need a serious reality check." i understand what your saying and I have a genuine question! What do u feel can be done to help u? Is there enough houses/accommodation out there for everybody? | |||
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"They should do what most others do. They should get a mortgage and buy a house or rent from a private landlord. All of this crap about people deserving to be housed by the State is nonsense. Get a job first, and then get a mortgage or a private dwelling to rent. The sense of entitlement from some people is laughable. This attitude is unreal. I have a job. I pay child care. I can't get a mortgage on my own and can't afford the high rent in my area Do I feel entitled to some help? Yes, I'll admit I do. I've worked for a long time and paid taxes and never claimed anything from our social welfare system. I was one of the lucky ones who always managed to find a job. But it's not enough. And now I find myself in a situation where I need help. Am I getting any? No. There is nothing there to help me find a home for my family at all. It's frustrating, enraging and depressing. And comments like yours are disgusting and you should feel very ashamed of yourself. You need a serious reality check.i understand what your saying and I have a genuine question! What do u feel can be done to help u? Is there enough houses/accommodation out there for everybody? " As already pointed out, the amount spent on emergency accommodation can be put to better use. There are ghost estates. Rent allowance reform. Capping rent prices. Mortgage relief. It's all been mentioned throughout the thread. | |||
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"The people of Ireland are to blame,those scumbags in Leinster house called an election recently and most of the people in the Republic of Ireland ran to the polling station to cast their vote and played into their hands instead of demonstrating people power sticking together and standing up for each other us the citizens of the Republic of Ireland instead they go and cast their vote supporting the scumbags in Dail Eireann,we as a nation need to wake up to reality." very true I agree with you. we have been out on every protest in dublin and kerry there is to many homeless/ suicide/ bank being bailed out water charges property tax and the Irish people are being screwed by ff/Fg/labour and know they can't put a government together | |||
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"They should do what most others do. They should get a mortgage and buy a house or rent from a private landlord. All of this crap about people deserving to be housed by the State is nonsense. Get a job first, and then get a mortgage or a private dwelling to rent. The sense of entitlement from some people is laughable. This attitude is unreal. I have a job. I pay child care. I can't get a mortgage on my own and can't afford the high rent in my area Do I feel entitled to some help? Yes, I'll admit I do. I've worked for a long time and paid taxes and never claimed anything from our social welfare system. I was one of the lucky ones who always managed to find a job. But it's not enough. And now I find myself in a situation where I need help. Am I getting any? No. There is nothing there to help me find a home for my family at all. It's frustrating, enraging and depressing. And comments like yours are disgusting and you should feel very ashamed of yourself. You need a serious reality check.i understand what your saying and I have a genuine question! What do u feel can be done to help u? Is there enough houses/accommodation out there for everybody? " I imagine the lady feels that given she paid taxes for a long period, she is entitled to help... Reductions and government help towards childcare would be a start, for single families and those struggling... Cap on private rental, fishing out those who rent out second homes without placing their names on landlord registers, thus preventing them from raking it in, shikts people suffer.. More government financial aid tiwards agencies who help those in distress, before they reach housing crisis. Ie...Advice, guidance ect.... Finaly, sell off ghost houses, and property left idle by landlords to private social housing groups, who in turn rent at a fair price.. | |||
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"Ok,I rarely post in the forums but reading this thread kinda annoyed me.how someone can say that people,families are not homeless because they are in a hotel,b&b etc is absolutely ridiculous!!!!! My situation at the moment is pretty shit and I have two children,bought a house with their dad seven years ago and we split four years ago.since he has moved on,his new family are more important.the house is going to be repossessed and fuck knows where me and my kids will end up.it's not as easy as just go back out there and get a job,I have a degree but paying for childcare is literally like going out to work just to pay that.I'm sorry if this is long winded but some people just don't have a fucking clue........ Sorry to hear about the situation you're currently in.. I hope it can be sorted. Have you taken your ex to court for maintenance? Or could you try and rent rooms out? Could it be sold.. is it in your name or his.. and would you be left with anything after? Sorry if these sound like very simplistic options.. just throughing out some ideas. " . I have tried everything but nothing has worked out so far.we will get through it and we will be fine | |||
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"Ok,I rarely post in the forums but reading this thread kinda annoyed me.how someone can say that people,families are not homeless because they are in a hotel,b&b etc is absolutely ridiculous!!!!! My situation at the moment is pretty shit and I have two children,bought a house with their dad seven years ago and we split four years ago.since he has moved on,his new family are more important.the house is going to be repossessed and fuck knows where me and my kids will end up.it's not as easy as just go back out there and get a job,I have a degree but paying for childcare is literally like going out to work just to pay that.I'm sorry if this is long winded but some people just don't have a fucking clue........ Sorry to hear about the situation you're currently in.. I hope it can be sorted. Have you taken your ex to court for maintenance? Or could you try and rent rooms out? Could it be sold.. is it in your name or his.. and would you be left with anything after? Sorry if these sound like very simplistic options.. just throughing out some ideas. . I have tried everything but nothing has worked out so far.we will get through it and we will be fine "Wonderful spirit, your kids are lucky to have such a strong Mum | |||
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"Would a major hurdle be that rent is just to high?"
Landlords can charge what they like, honest I have a friend who works with people in Dublin who are devastated by the charges...
Problem is if you do not pay, they evict you, loopholes in the law allowing them to dictate...
People try to fight back, go to court , but most are weary and move on..
So sad... | |||
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"Would a major hurdle be that rent is just to high?
Landlords can charge what they like, honest I have a friend who works with people in Dublin who are devastated by the charges...
Problem is if you do not pay, they evict you, loopholes in the law allowing them to dictate...
People try to fight back, go to court , but most are weary and move on..
So sad... "It's a free market those landlords put their neck on the line to buy those properties and are entitled to charge market rate when the bust came alot had to suffer substantial losses and now they are going to make up for it supply and demand simple A new way of providing affordable housing needs to be looked at the councils haven't a bull's how to run it there should be one national housing authority same as the roads to source and provide housing but also the contracts for those units should be that the Tennant has a burden of care to maintain it within reason | |||
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" 'The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and all of its parts, cherishing all of the children of the nation equally' " and we should be ashamed in our short existence as a country we have allowed such a divide to open up between haves and have nots and aspiring to go that. I will say that I still see the helpful nature of Iriah people all around, many are still willing to out up friends and family who need it. There are a few issues one might have with homelessness, particularly in Dublin: I would take issue with non nationals being given priority with housing. You've seen on the news how France deals with it! Also, at times, asking for a house handout in Dublin is a bit much: If the ladies on the Late Late were willing to move to say Leitrim they would get houses but they insist on a handout home in a city where rents run to thousands a month. (Now the cost of these properties has to be levelled at councils and governments too, it's a bot of a sticky situation where average people can't afford to rent and buy in their home city and that needs to be looked at equally as quickly.) But unfortunately it's unlikely, that a young single mother with no job is going to have the same standard of living as a working generation (also sold down the swanny with poorly paid jobs) who kill themselves and still can barely afford a place. | |||
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"Would a major hurdle be that rent is just to high?
Landlords can charge what they like, honest I have a friend who works with people in Dublin who are devastated by the charges...
Problem is if you do not pay, they evict you, loopholes in the law allowing them to dictate...
People try to fight back, go to court , but most are weary and move on..
So sad...
It's a free market those landlords put their neck on the line to buy those properties and are entitled to charge market rate when the bust came alot had to suffer substantial losses and now they are going to make up for it supply and demand simple
A new way of providing affordable housing needs to be looked at the councils haven't a bull's how to run it there should be one national housing authority same as the roads to source and provide housing but also the contracts for those units should be that the Tennant has a burden of care to maintain it within reason "Only going to comment on the landlords... Spoken by a man who has never sat in an agencies office, crying with distress because the poor landlords stuck their necks out and bought houses... Took a hit and hey decided to punish those that put food on their tables, fly them to holidays, put their kids through college...ect ect ect... Supply and demand???
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"What about THEY who lost their jobs?.. They can get another job. There are loads of jobs out there now. This isn't 2008 anymore. More and more jobs being announced everyday. ---------------- THEY who could not get a foot on the mortage step, due to horrendous child care costs that requires a huge chunk of THIER expenditure.. They could have waited until they had a secure roof over their heads before having children. Priorities should come first. It's all in the planning. ----------------------- THEY who found themselves at the mercy of cut throat Landlords, intent on increasing rents??.. They can always look around for a new landlord. ------------------- THEY who found themselves on the street after domestic violence?? They can go to court and seek a protection/barring order against the perpetrator, most orders are granted in the district court/family court. ----------------- Does logic elude you
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"What about THEY who lost their jobs?.. They can get another job. There are loads of jobs out there now. This isn't 2008 anymore. More and more jobs being announced everyday. ---------------- THEY who could not get a foot on the mortage step, due to horrendous child care costs that requires a huge chunk of THIER expenditure.. They could have waited until they had a secure roof over their heads before having children. Priorities should come first. It's all in the planning. ----------------------- THEY who found themselves at the mercy of cut throat Landlords, intent on increasing rents??.. They can always look around for a new landlord. ------------------- THEY who found themselves on the street after domestic violence?? They can go to court and seek a protection/barring order against the perpetrator, most orders are granted in the district court/family court. ----------------- Does logic elude you
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"Would a major hurdle be that rent is just to high?
Landlords can charge what they like, honest I have a friend who works with people in Dublin who are devastated by the charges...
Problem is if you do not pay, they evict you, loopholes in the law allowing them to dictate...
People try to fight back, go to court , but most are weary and move on..
So sad...
It's a free market those landlords put their neck on the line to buy those properties and are entitled to charge market rate when the bust came alot had to suffer substantial losses and now they are going to make up for it supply and demand simple
A new way of providing affordable housing needs to be looked at the councils haven't a bull's how to run it there should be one national housing authority same as the roads to source and provide housing but also the contracts for those units should be that the Tennant has a burden of care to maintain it within reason
Only going to comment on the landlords...
Spoken by a man who has never sat in an agencies office, crying with distress because the poor landlords stuck their necks out and bought houses...
Took a hit and hey decided to punish those that put food on their tables, fly them to holidays, put their kids through college...ect ect ect...
Supply and demand???
Methinks you need to read a little more on the subject, or talk with the demand.."Ok look at it this way if the amount of affordable housing was coming any way near meeting demand the pressure would be reduced on the private market this giving people the ability to demand a higher standard of property for their hard earned buck. U can't look at the two in isolation when both are so tightly entwined. I have seen the demand and the demanding I have also seen people that got the opportunity to buy an investment and when the bottom fell out they two had sleepless nights fending off the banks with the family homes at risk | |||
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"Now now. Throwing insults shows your lack of respect for others Spanisheyes. You asked me some questions and I answered them for you. No need to be nasty. It's unbecoming " Im surprised ur surprised lol | |||
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"Now now. Throwing insults shows your lack of respect for others Spanisheyes. You asked me some questions and I answered them for you. No need to be nasty. It's unbecoming Im surprised ur surprised lol " I know j&j right? If you don't hold the same opinion as certain people the firstly become confrontational using caps, and then resort to insults. Same old people with the same old forum style  | |||
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"Would a major hurdle be that rent is just to high?
Landlords can charge what they like, honest I have a friend who works with people in Dublin who are devastated by the charges...
Problem is if you do not pay, they evict you, loopholes in the law allowing them to dictate...
People try to fight back, go to court , but most are weary and move on..
So sad...
It's a free market those landlords put their neck on the line to buy those properties and are entitled to charge market rate when the bust came alot had to suffer substantial losses and now they are going to make up for it supply and demand simple
A new way of providing affordable housing needs to be looked at the councils haven't a bull's how to run it there should be one national housing authority same as the roads to source and provide housing but also the contracts for those units should be that the Tennant has a burden of care to maintain it within reason
Only going to comment on the landlords...
Spoken by a man who has never sat in an agencies office, crying with distress because the poor landlords stuck their necks out and bought houses...
Took a hit and hey decided to punish those that put food on their tables, fly them to holidays, put their kids through college...ect ect ect...
Supply and demand???
Methinks you need to read a little more on the subject, or talk with the demand..
Ok look at it this way if the amount of affordable housing was coming any way near meeting demand the pressure would be reduced on the private market this giving people the ability to demand a higher standard of property for their hard earned buck. U can't look at the two in isolation when both are so tightly entwined. I have seen the demand and the demanding I have also seen people that got the opportunity to buy an investment and when the bottom fell out they two had sleepless nights fending off the banks with the family homes at risk
"Honestly, I do get where you are coming from, however we can not ignore that landlords have coined it in for years at the misery of tenants.. Look, I am sharing this simply to raise awareness.. A friend of mine I met at college, raised her two boys alone... She rented privately, lived in a small house for two years, started college, worked only the allowed hours that still qualified her for rent help.. Worked in a bar at night so she could be there for her boys, friends helped ect... One day her landlord arrives, informed her he wanted an extra 100 pounds a month
She went to her local housing office, they refused told her to find housing that matched the capped allowance...
She tramped the streets, only to find that no way could she afford the massive rents...
Today, she lives with her elderly parents, her and the boys in one room, why???
This girl is like many others, the hidden homeless, who live with family in cramped homes..
Why???
To feed landlords, not for food, for greed...
To feed a system that refuses to help those when they need it most... | |||
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"Now now. Throwing insults shows your lack of respect for others Spanisheyes. You asked me some questions and I answered them for you. No need to be nasty. It's unbecoming Im surprised ur surprised lol I know j&j right? If you don't hold the same opinion as certain people the firstly become confrontational using caps, and then resort to insults. Same old people with the same old forum style "Am off | |||
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" To feed a system that refuses to help those when they need it most..." There it is a system that refuses to help those who need it most so the system had to change. A national housing authority would have the ability to seek funds through raising of bonds on the open markets and low rates of interest to either build or buy houses that would meet the demand. As it stands a co.co can only use the budget provided by the government go in to any council estate in Ireland and count the amount of unoccupied houses derelict and boarded up the structure and fabric is there just to be done up the ghost estates that nama are selling off to vulture funds could be bought up and turned in to affordable housing but there needs to be a policy change until this happens it will never change | |||
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" To feed a system that refuses to help those when they need it most... There it is a system that refuses to help those who need it most so the system had to change. A national housing authority would have the ability to seek funds through raising of bonds on the open markets and low rates of interest to either build or buy houses that would meet the demand. As it stands a co.co can only use the budget provided by the government go in to any council estate in Ireland and count the amount of unoccupied houses derelict and boarded up the structure and fabric is there just to be done up the ghost estates that nama are selling off to vulture funds could be bought up and turned in to affordable housing but there needs to be a policy change until this happens it will never change "
Excellent post, thanks for the banter back and forth..
The OP has certainly raised an important issue, really good to learn something, read the stories ect of those who are going through tough times.
The OP herself was so honest about her own situation, it astounded me...
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"But here we are tonight kicking the ball around the pitch,why not kick the government in the balls,how many of you went to the polling stations and voted,why didnt you all boycot the election and shame us in the face of Europe for a lowest turnout on record! No matter what government takes over, the ball will continue going around in circles. Im not backing fine gael here but they took over the disaster that was Ireland at the time and yes hundreds suffered. To lay blame at the door of enda kenny and his crew is wrong. I think theyve tried to make a bad thing good with hundreds still suffering as a result of decisions made before they came into power and not after. To lay the blame at their feet for the problems when they got in government, wrong. To blame them for so many things which have gotten worse, totally right. They have had five years to act. All we got was rhetoric and the blaming of other people. 5 years isnt a long time to act to undo damage that was done by Bertie and his gang. The bailout left by bertie was a long enduring legacy. If they had stayed in power what would be the difference be to the issue? Im in the same mindset as probably most of you.. whats the solution?" Absolute bullshit!!! It took them a few days to bail out every bank in the country and you're telling 5 years isn't enough to house a few hundred families?? | |||
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"Let's raise tax for higher earners, what a load of horse shit, the problem is how unfair the social welfare system is, people feel they have a right to a free house, the new poor in this country is the person who works their ass off to pay their mortgage,taxes & household bills, how many unmarried mothers are claiming benifits while living with a partner, how may people on social welfare have an undeclared income, when these issues are sorted then the real homeless people can be looked after, if the social welfare cheats are caught it will make a difference." | |||
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"But here we are tonight kicking the ball around the pitch,why not kick the government in the balls,how many of you went to the polling stations and voted,why didnt you all boycot the election and shame us in the face of Europe for a lowest turnout on record! No matter what government takes over, the ball will continue going around in circles. Im not backing fine gael here but they took over the disaster that was Ireland at the time and yes hundreds suffered. To lay blame at the door of enda kenny and his crew is wrong. I think theyve tried to make a bad thing good with hundreds still suffering as a result of decisions made before they came into power and not after. To lay the blame at their feet for the problems when they got in government, wrong. To blame them for so many things which have gotten worse, totally right. They have had five years to act. All we got was rhetoric and the blaming of other people. 5 years isnt a long time to act to undo damage that was done by Bertie and his gang. The bailout left by bertie was a long enduring legacy. If they had stayed in power what would be the difference be to the issue? Im in the same mindset as probably most of you.. whats the solution? Absolute bullshit!!! It took them a few days to bail out every bank in the country and you're telling 5 years isn't enough to house a few hundred families?? " Its not absolute bullshit at all, the bailout got the irish people into deeper debt which is why taxes were raised and cuts across every department in government were made. The irish people suffered yet again but the irish people voted Bertie into government in the first place. I stated earlier in the thread im not an Enda Kenny fan. He was left with trying to tidy up the mess of Bertie and his crew and whoever comes into power in the next government will have the same old bullshit to contend with so the circle will continue. | |||
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"Let's raise tax for higher earners, what a load of horse shit, the problem is how unfair the social welfare system is, people feel they have a right to a free house, the new poor in this country is the person who works their ass off to pay their mortgage,taxes & household bills, how many unmarried mothers are claiming benifits while living with a partner, how may people on social welfare have an undeclared income, when these issues are sorted then the real homeless people can be looked after, if the social welfare cheats are caught it will make a difference." Possibly the most uninformed and braindead comment I've ever seen in a forum. Its no wonder the country is the way it is when people like you see a single mother claiming a few extra euro a week as the problem instead of the CEO's of state bodies getting half million euro bonuses on top of their ridiculous salaries. And thats not to mention the very well paid politicians monthly expenses bills. But keep blaming the poor when they claim a few euro they shouldn't to feed their children. Bravo to you | |||
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"Let's raise tax for higher earners, what a load of horse shit, the problem is how unfair the social welfare system is, people feel they have a right to a free house, the new poor in this country is the person who works their ass off to pay their mortgage,taxes & household bills, how many unmarried mothers are claiming benifits while living with a partner, how may people on social welfare have an undeclared income, when these issues are sorted then the real homeless people can be looked after, if the social welfare cheats are caught it will make a difference." Well said | |||
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"I know two sisters who had kids, their boyfriends were in their lives, these sisters claimed as single parents and stated they don't know who the father is and they stayed at home while on a waiting list for corporation houses (which they have since been given as "single parents" ) yet their boyfriends live with them and both sisters have cash in hand employment doing deliveries for local take aways. These are just two that I know of personally. There's lots of scroungers out there claiming benefits they are not entitled to. Lots and lots. I'm not saying people like these are the cause of the social housing crisis, but they certainly must be factored in as an issue in the overall picture " Well said, my point is let's look at who receives benifits from the state, if the fraudsters are eliminated more money can go to the people who need it most, of course there are greater issues also but let's start at the roots. | |||
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"I know two sisters who had kids, their boyfriends were in their lives, these sisters claimed as single parents and stated they don't know who the father is and they stayed at home while on a waiting list for corporation houses (which they have since been given as "single parents" ) yet their boyfriends live with them and both sisters have cash in hand employment doing deliveries for local take aways. These are just two that I know of personally. There's lots of scroungers out there claiming benefits they are not entitled to. Lots and lots. I'm not saying people like these are the cause of the social housing crisis, but they certainly must be factored in as an issue in the overall picture Well said, my point is let's look at who receives benifits from the state, if the fraudsters are eliminated more money can go to the people who need it most, of course there are greater issues also but let's start at the roots." Joan Burton introduced the green public services card for all irish people to combat social welfare fraud and to stop those flying from the uk to collect dole payments while working abroad. The revenue is also linked into social welfare systems so payments are "red flagged" if usc or tax is taken from wages and payments from social welfare are automatically stopped until the person can prove otherwise. Still flawed ill agree but its a step in the right direction to stop this. | |||
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"Is that not what's wrong...constant drivel from right wing capitalists to let's start with the poor...lets start with the elite,lets stop tax loop holes for the Denis o'briens of Irish society,lets hit hard the elite corporations and vulture capitalists who are immune...go after the roots my ass,there may be fraudulent welfare recipients but compared to vulture capitalists they are saints...."
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" Joan Burton introduced the green public services card for all irish people to combat social welfare fraud and to stop those flying from the uk to collect dole payments while working abroad. The revenue is also linked into social welfare systems so payments are "red flagged" if usc or tax is taken from wages and payments from social welfare are automatically stopped until the person can prove otherwise. Still flawed ill agree but its a step in the right direction to stop this." This system is very much still flawed The "red flag" may work if the person claims to be full unemployed and their tax credits are not allocated to any employer However, if you are on reduced days your tax credits are still allocated to an employer and the revenue does now know how much you have earned or how much tax you have paid until the p35 is done at the end of the year. A companies p30 monthly return is a compilation of all employees and doesn't break out per employee, until the p35 at year end as I said Also if a person is on reduced days and is claiming job seekers, they can claim to be working just the one day as long as their employer signs off on their letter to social welfare, which lets face it, can be easily forged. So it's still an easy system to take advantage of | |||
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"Is that not what's wrong...constant drivel from right wing capitalists to let's start with the poor...lets start with the elite,lets stop tax loop holes for the Denis o'briens of Irish society,lets hit hard the elite corporations and vulture capitalists who are immune...go after the roots my ass,there may be fraudulent welfare recipients but compared to vulture capitalists they are saints...." You're right let's raise taxes, let the working person, pay once again, let's play the safe card, the high earners, corporation tax, the government, blah blah, if the people in receipt of housing & social welfare benifits that are fraudulent were eliminated, would this free up houses and money ? I think so, typical Irish statement, sure it was just a few extra quid. | |||
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"Funny we're working class and civil servants....but like the vast majority of people with a moral compass we know how disgustingly fraudulent society is in favour of the elite..smoke screens by the elite by claiming how hard done we all are by the social welfare recipients..." Never once were the genuine social walfare recipients mentioned, so I think you're getting a little carried away, for most people on social welfare day to day life is near impossible, fraud is what I mentioned, now if you want to defend fraud on any level that's your opinion but don't try to imply that I was knocking genuine welfare recipients. | |||
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" "the new poor in this country is the person who works their ass off to pay their mortgage,taxes & household bills, how many unmarried mothers are claiming benifits while p with a partner, how may people on social welfare have an undeclared income, when these issues are sorted then the real homeless people can be looked after, if the social welfare cheats are caught it will make a difference." " I tend to agree that welfare is misappropriated. A neighbour of mine gets a six figure income from benefits and she's housed in quite a nice part of the city to boot. I'm questioning of I can afford to live where I do and she gets it free. We also have difficulties with welfare tourists -money going abroad to people in the place a wet week is hardly fostering a better society as the monies are intended. But I don't think it should be either fix welfare or tax higher earners...why not both? We live in an era when the richest 1% of the population now has more wealth and resources than the remaining 99%! That's messed up! | |||
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"Ok,I rarely post in the forums but reading this thread kinda annoyed me.how someone can say that people,families are not homeless because they are in a hotel,b&b etc is absolutely ridiculous!!!!! My situation at the moment is pretty shit and I have two children,bought a house with their dad seven years ago and we split four years ago.since he has moved on,his new family are more important.the house is going to be repossessed and fuck knows where me and my kids will end up.it's not as easy as just go back out there and get a job,I have a degree but paying for childcare is literally like going out to work just to pay that.I'm sorry if this is long winded but some people just don't have a fucking clue........ Sorry to hear about the situation you're currently in.. I hope it can be sorted. Have you taken your ex to court for maintenance? Or could you try and rent rooms out? Could it be sold.. is it in your name or his.. and would you be left with anything after? Sorry if these sound like very simplistic options.. just throughing out some ideas. . I have tried everything but nothing has worked out so far.we will get through it and we will be fine
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" "the new poor in this country is the person who works their ass off to pay their mortgage,taxes & household bills, how many unmarried mothers are claiming benifits while p with a partner, how may people on social welfare have an undeclared income, when these issues are sorted then the real homeless people can be looked after, if the social welfare cheats are caught it will make a difference." I tend to agree that welfare is misappropriated. A neighbour of mine gets a six figure income from benefits and she's housed in quite a nice part of the city to boot. I'm questioning of I can afford to live where I do and she gets it free. We also have difficulties with welfare tourists -money going abroad to people in the place a wet week is hardly fostering a better society as the monies are intended. But I don't think it should be either fix welfare or tax higher earners...why not both? We live in an era when the richest 1% of the population now has more wealth and resources than the remaining 99%! That's messed up! " I'm sorry but I'm calling bullshit on the 6 figure income claim. Isn't possible. | |||
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"Now now. Throwing insults shows your lack of respect for others Spanisheyes. You asked me some questions and I answered them for you. No need to be nasty. It's unbecoming Im surprised ur surprised lol Seriously??? I am shocked at their level of ignorance, am I am shocked at your comment.. No dear water of a ducks back " | |||
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" "the new poor in this country is the person who works their ass off to pay their mortgage,taxes & household bills, how many unmarried mothers are claiming benifits while p with a partner, how may people on social welfare have an undeclared income, when these issues are sorted then the real homeless people can be looked after, if the social welfare cheats are caught it will make a difference." I tend to agree that welfare is misappropriated. A neighbour of mine gets a six figure income from benefits and she's housed in quite a nice part of the city to boot. I'm questioning of I can afford to live where I do and she gets it free. We also have difficulties with welfare tourists -money going abroad to people in the place a wet week is hardly fostering a better society as the monies are intended. But I don't think it should be either fix welfare or tax higher earners...why not both? We live in an era when the richest 1% of the population now has more wealth and resources than the remaining 99%! That's messed up! " I'd be interested to hear where you got those stats. | |||
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" I'm sorry but I'm calling bullshit on the 6 figure income claim. Isn't possible." Call away. I don't know how it's possible but mates I know in citizen's advice told me about her. Multiple payments obv; disability, 'single' parent etc Mockery of the system. | |||
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" I'd be interested to hear where you got those stats. " World bank. | |||
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" I'm sorry but I'm calling bullshit on the 6 figure income claim. Isn't possible. Call away. I don't know how it's possible but mates I know in citizen's advice told me about her. Multiple payments obv; disability, 'single' parent etc Mockery of the system." Tbh I'd be reporting your 'mates'. That's a serious breach of confidentiality. No wonder the system is fucked if they're too busy gossiping about others. | |||
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" I'd be interested to hear where you got those stats. World bank." Are those stats in relation to Ireland? | |||
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" Tbh I'd be reporting your 'mates'. That's a serious breach of confidentiality. No wonder the system is fucked if they're too busy gossiping about others." Yeah I suppose they are the real criminals volunteering their time. | |||
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" Are those stats in relation to Ireland? " Ireland more 3/97 really, the 99/1 is a global trend that is appalling. Not that we should be patting ourselves on the back. Our economic 'recovery' has seen people return to minimum wage work while the rich's wealth and earnings increased and continue to do so. | |||
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" Tbh I'd be reporting your 'mates'. That's a serious breach of confidentiality. No wonder the system is fucked if they're too busy gossiping about others. Yeah I suppose they are the real criminals volunteering their time."
Poster never said that, it is against CA policy to talk.outside the office about clients...
My brother volunteers....
Secondly a six figure sum is bs, the figures simply could not match the present payment allowances... | |||
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"Why is it that the social welfare recipient gets all the blame for the bank collapse when it was the bank managers the builders who got these big loans and did not pay them back Anglo irish bank caused the bank crash not the people on social welfare stop blaming them if the asshole in government at the time burned the bond holders we would not be in the mess we are now. but no noonnan Bertie Cowen Kenny burton are all bond holders so it was easier to fuck the people of Ireland instead of there own pockets so don't be blaming the poor ya tax the rich Scandinavian country have a high tax and everyone benefits from it everything is paid for through tax college is free health is free for everyone when ttip gets through in Europe we are all fuck prices will rise house fuel food insurance health so go on blame the people who are on social welfare not the banners or our fucked up government our grandfather's and grandmothers are turning in there graves at the state of this country there will be another election as Martin said if Kenny don't get rid of water charges they will not back any collection government. so stop blaming those on social welfare there are those who do want a job ya their is a few that are defaulting social welfare not everyone under Eu law they can collect social welfare from any Eu state I can go to Spain and collect it there is and old lady living in new York and is getting her old age pension over there " Ah here leeeeave it out!! Who put the blame on the social welfare recipient ? If there is a housing problem, which there is, why not tackle the problem direct, stop the fraud that is rampant in the system, it will free up houses & money which can be distributed to the families who need it most, or let's take the politically correct view & blame every business person who takes a chance and who employs thousands. Maybe we should get rid of the civil servants, now maybe that's where the real waste is. | |||
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"Why is it that the social welfare recipient gets all the blame for the bank collapse when it was the bank managers the builders who got these big loans and did not pay them back Anglo irish bank caused the bank crash not the people on social welfare stop blaming them if the asshole in government at the time burned the bond holders we would not be in the mess we are now. but no noonnan Bertie Cowen Kenny burton are all bond holders so it was easier to fuck the people of Ireland instead of there own pockets so don't be blaming the poor ya tax the rich Scandinavian country have a high tax and everyone benefits from it everything is paid for through tax college is free health is free for everyone when ttip gets through in Europe we are all fuck prices will rise house fuel food insurance health so go on blame the people who are on social welfare not the banners or our fucked up government our grandfather's and grandmothers are turning in there graves at the state of this country there will be another election as Martin said if Kenny don't get rid of water charges they will not back any collection government. so stop blaming those on social welfare there are those who do want a job ya their is a few that are defaulting social welfare not everyone under Eu law they can collect social welfare from any Eu state I can go to Spain and collect it there is and old lady living in new York and is getting her old age pension over there Ah here leeeeave it out!! Who put the blame on the social welfare recipient ? If there is a housing problem, which there is, why not tackle the problem direct, stop the fraud that is rampant in the system, it will free up houses & money which can be distributed to the families who need it most, or let's take the politically correct view & blame every business person who takes a chance and who employs thousands. Maybe we should get rid of the civil servants, now maybe that's where the real waste is. " Who blamed welfare recipients
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"Think you're right, see lots of people bullied here because they have different opinions " sorry if it sounded like I was attacking you or any one else yes there is a big problem in this country I have been on a anti eviction task force and have seen people lose there homes if the government TD cur there wages it would help. giving them self a 900 euros raise in the last budget is a joke Kenny making more them the president Obama.it's not people on here attacking social Walefare it's ireland in general the bank fucked up and we are paying for it | |||
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"Don't worry Brian & Jane. Some people like to twist words and purposely read sentences out of context so they can moan and be confrontational. Personally I do laugh at such people while at the same time pitying them. " | |||
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"Think you're right, see lots of people bullied here because they have different opinions " Bullied???? You think you are being bullied because people do not share your opinions on FAB
Last time I checked it was an adult site, people do not follow others like sheep....
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"Unlike people who pay mortgages, social housing recipients do not pay the same amount in rent to the council and they certainly don't pay property tax. On top of this people on the housing list have been refusing houses and apartments because it may not be located in the exact area they desire. As the old adage goes: Beggars can't be choosers. If I had control over social housing allocation then the rule would be if you turn down the accommodation offered to you then it's back to the bottom of the list for you. " but if they could afford a mortgage they wouldn't need social housing the housing is for people who cannot afford too buy there own home and yes rent is means tested on your income and they don't pay property tax because they don't own the property doesn't take a genius too figer that out. As for the choosing areas you get three chances if you refuse them all you put back down the list so what your saying actually does happen. Personally we could qualify for social housing but where not intrested in it we prefare renting an where happy with that that's the same for buying house an being honest I don't think il ever buy house in my life time | |||
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"You know this pisses me off.. For years people walked past the homeless on our City and town streets.. Looked at them like they were shit , or ignored them, choosing to believe that these people CHOSE to be there... Were alkies and druggies not worthy of help.... Hey feckin presto, the housing crisis, families with kids lost their homes, and the bandwagon rolled out... Bleating about Governments ect... If you want to help??? Volunteer for soup runs, soup kitchens, take part in protests, events to raise awareness and much needed spaces in hostels ... Enough of the feckin blame game and guilt tripping "Very well said. It`s easy enough for everyone to blame politicans, and personally I felt there was a right wind Tory edge to the last government that didn`t care, but the public in general in the past when it came to a choice between tax cuts and public services opted every time for tax cuts. Thankfully this would appear to be changing from the result of the last general election. | |||
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