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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

There seems to be alot of fake profiles going up on here. Some using photos of ppl on fab and some just using fake photos. Now I easy enough to fake a email address to make it look like someone else is getting up the profile but your best best is to find out the ip address of who settings these up. Through I shear this. Might help out a few ppl. Rant over!

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By *longshottMan
over a year ago

Limerick

This subject while valid never gets anywhere. Unfortunately it's not that simple.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Oh I know, but someone had a profile set up of using photos of someone who is in the public eye alot and could do damage to thee career if anyone saw them photos up on here.This site ment to be about having fun. Just some sado out there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would assume someone setting up fake profiles would also be using proxys etc to hide themselves too

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By *longshottMan
over a year ago

Limerick


"I would assume someone setting up fake profiles would also be using proxys etc to hide themselves too "

Isn't that the problem. So easy hide ID electronically now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would assume someone setting up fake profiles would also be using proxys etc to hide themselves too

Isn't that the problem. So easy hide ID electronically now."

There's always ways around each obstacle however as a solution appears another obstacle is put in place a digital catch me if you can

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Very true but some ppl don't think about that. They think once the profile is deleted these no trail. And the ppl doing it don't think have the wear of all to do all that

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By *longshottMan
over a year ago

Limerick


"I would assume someone setting up fake profiles would also be using proxys etc to hide themselves too

Isn't that the problem. So easy hide ID electronically now.

There's always ways around each obstacle however as a solution appears another obstacle is put in place a digital catch me if you can "

Yes they seem to like the challenge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Very true but some ppl don't think about that. They think once the profile is deleted these no trail. And the ppl doing it don't think have the wear of all to do all that"

Once something is on the internet it stays on the internet for life. No matter what's done that digital footprint is saved for all time in the cyber world. Hence the whole revenge porn laws

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would assume someone setting up fake profiles would also be using proxys etc to hide themselves too "

Why would you bother????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would assume someone setting up fake profiles would also be using proxys etc to hide themselves too

Why would you bother????

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Because you can

You'd be amazed what some people might do for fun

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin

Not that easy to get an IP.. vast amjority of users have automatically assigned IP addresses.. and if it not a static ip then the assigned number can actually change as you are using the internet.. when you turn off your machine and turn back on then your machine is issued a new IP address.. the only ip address that stays static in the home network is usually the router.

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By *anidesiresTV/TS
over a year ago

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"Not that easy to get an IP.. vast amjority of users have automatically assigned IP addresses.. and if it not a static ip then the assigned number can actually change as you are using the internet.. when you turn off your machine and turn back on then your machine is issued a new IP address.. the only ip address that stays static in the home network is usually the router. "

I think you are confusing private with public IP addresses.

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin

Im just saying its not that easy to get the ip of a specif machine.. the router will have a public ip but the computers behind will have private

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

verify every new member with a texted code to activate their account .That would cut down all the crap on here .

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By *he JiggliesCouple
over a year ago

Athlone


"verify every new member with a texted code to activate their account .That would cut down all the crap on here . "

Well said but then the networks will see a taise in prepay sim only sales, lol. Fakes and multiple accounts fakes will always find a way around the system, they have nothing better to do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You could go all elaborate and site could read the phones imei number automatically by script on registration as well .Then it would be possible to ban both the phone number and the phone . However this is an almost a free site so heres a simple no cost solution . New users have to have a gmail account and email verification become mandatory part of registration. Google have tightened up gmail security and all new accounts are linked to a mobile . Its by no means a fool proof solution but again it would cut down on all the crap .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

people like yourselves wont be happy till no one has any privacy, why dont you all put up your face picture and leave your profile public for all to see if you dont believe in privacy, it doesnt matter what the site does as the smart computer people will always find a way around it as their capable of critical thinking.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So let's assume somehow you CAN get the real IP address of someone posting something they shouldn't .. What are you going to do with it? An IP address does NOT identify a individual unless you contact the ISP and get them to tell you exactly who was using that IP at that particular time. Remember IP addresses change for most users. The ISP would likely need a court order to release the real name and address from someone's IP. What legal basis do they have to give that out, and what exactly are you going to do with it once you get it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I think you are confusing private with public IP addresses.

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No. The public ip address you and I have today could easily be being used by someone else tomorrow. I'd doesn't uniquely identify someone. If fab blocked that IP then some other poor perve will find themselves blocked when the address changes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

their idiots dont mind them they dont even know that you can also mask your IMEI on your phone

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin

Not only can you mask your imei but you can actually get a new imei number for it.

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By *arnal DesiresCouple
over a year ago

Limerick

First time post

It's not the ip address you need it's the mac address that will tie an Internet users to a physical address however I doubt any isp would release any information on its customers for confidentially and data protection reasons unless a law was broken

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin

The mac addy will tie to a specific device.. however if a user was using a computer in an internet cafe for instance.. that would still not solve anything.

Welcome to the threads by the way and keep posting ????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"First time post

It's not the ip address you need it's the mac address that will tie an Internet users to a physical address however I doubt any isp would release any information on its customers for confidentially and data protection reasons unless a law was broken "

No. The mac address is only visible on the local network. Fab will have no idea what the mac address of a visitor is, and neither will the ISP. Also, mac addresses are trivially changed.

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By *arnal DesiresCouple
over a year ago

Limerick


"First time post

It's not the ip address you need it's the mac address that will tie an Internet users to a physical address however I doubt any isp would release any information on its customers for confidentially and data protection reasons unless a law was broken

No. The mac address is only visible on the local network. Fab will have no idea what the mac address of a visitor is, and neither will the ISP. Also, mac addresses are trivially changed. "

Isp will know the mac address if they have supplied the modem. Again though you are right there is no foolproof wayou to trace somebody to an iP at least not in a civilian context

Nick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"First time post

It's not the ip address you need it's the mac address that will tie an Internet users to a physical address however I doubt any isp would release any information on its customers for confidentially and data protection reasons unless a law was broken

No. The mac address is only visible on the local network. Fab will have no idea what the mac address of a visitor is, and neither will the ISP. Also, mac addresses are trivially changed.

Isp will know the mac address if they have supplied the modem. Again though you are right there is no foolproof wayou to trace somebody to an iP at least not in a civilian context

Nick"

That might be true, but it's irrelevant as you surf from your device that's attached to the router. Your pc or tablet or phone or whatever doesn't store the external mac address of your router, and it's certainly not reported to websites you visit. Fab has no way to know what the mac address connecting to the internet is, so it's useless for tracking purposes.

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By *obrayMan
over a year ago

Craigavon

As you have found out there is no one thing that can stop it from happening.

Using a combination of things especially the mobile verification would be the best policy but ofcourse the cost would be transferred to the users.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As you have found out there is no one thing that can stop it from happening.

Using a combination of things especially the mobile verification would be the best policy but ofcourse the cost would be transferred to the users."

You can pick up a free mobile sim from plenty of networks. Nothing to stop someone from getting a one off sim, using it once to be verified and throwing it away. That wouldn't be foolproof either.

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By *obrayMan
over a year ago

Craigavon


"As you have found out there is no one thing that can stop it from happening.

Using a combination of things especially the mobile verification would be the best policy but ofcourse the cost would be transferred to the users.

You can pick up a free mobile sim from plenty of networks. Nothing to stop someone from getting a one off sim, using it once to be verified and throwing it away. That wouldn't be foolproof either. "

Then they get blocked then they will have get another sim. All goes round in a circle.

2 step verifaction could be implmented on the accounts so they cant throw the sim away.

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin

Well maybe do away with photo veri + web cam veri all together and have a 2x coffee or 2x social meet veri before a user is completely/officially/genuinely verified maybe?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As you have found out there is no one thing that can stop it from happening.

Using a combination of things especially the mobile verification would be the best policy but ofcourse the cost would be transferred to the users.

You can pick up a free mobile sim from plenty of networks. Nothing to stop someone from getting a one off sim, using it once to be verified and throwing it away. That wouldn't be foolproof either.

Then they get blocked then they will have get another sim. All goes round in a circle.

2 step verifaction could be implmented on the accounts so they cant throw the sim away.

"

So you have to verify your mobile more than once? Can't see that being very popular with users

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well maybe do away with photo veri + web cam veri all together and have a 2x coffee or 2x social meet veri before a user is completely/officially/genuinely verified maybe? "

That would be very unpopular. Single males find it hard enough to get one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Using VPN tunnels you can appear anywhere in the world ...... I'm working abroad at the moment but my IP address is in Dublin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think so sum it up.. There is no easy and foolproof way to track individuals to stop them from creating multiple fake accounts.

The best way I can think of is to require monthly payment, but this would kill the community.

Its always gonna be a tradeoff between keeping an open community with a very low barrier to entry, and dealing with messers and fakers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Using VPN tunnels you can appear anywhere in the world ...... I'm working abroad at the moment but my IP address is in Dublin "

Exactly. Ip addresses are very very easily changed using a vpn/proxy, or often just by resetting your router.

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin


"Using VPN tunnels you can appear anywhere in the world ...... I'm working abroad at the moment but my IP address is in Dublin

Exactly. Ip addresses are very very easily changed using a vpn/proxy, or often just by resetting your router. "

Its actually possible for the ip address to change while you are still connected

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Using VPN tunnels you can appear anywhere in the world ...... I'm working abroad at the moment but my IP address is in Dublin

Exactly. Ip addresses are very very easily changed using a vpn/proxy, or often just by resetting your router.

Its actually possible for the ip address to change while you are still connected"

Yep. All depends on the dhcp lease time on the server. You can also request a new ip address from the server anytime you like.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

If you think an account is fake, report it to Admin using the link on the profile page.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am I the only one that managed to read all the way down this far and still have no clue what they're talking about? IP address? Like the postcodes?

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest


"Am I the only one that managed to read all the way down this far and still have no clue what they're talking about? "

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By *obrayMan
over a year ago

Craigavon


"As you have found out there is no one thing that can stop it from happening.

Using a combination of things especially the mobile verification would be the best policy but ofcourse the cost would be transferred to the users.

You can pick up a free mobile sim from plenty of networks. Nothing to stop someone from getting a one off sim, using it once to be verified and throwing it away. That wouldn't be foolproof either.

Then they get blocked then they will have get another sim. All goes round in a circle.

2 step verifaction could be implmented on the accounts so they cant throw the sim away.

So you have to verify your mobile more than once? Can't see that being very popular with users"

Same why that outlook, gmail, facebook and dropbox can all be setup for 2 step verifaction.

But as i said there is still no one thing that can prevent it from happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As you have found out there is no one thing that can stop it from happening.

Using a combination of things especially the mobile verification would be the best policy but ofcourse the cost would be transferred to the users.

You can pick up a free mobile sim from plenty of networks. Nothing to stop someone from getting a one off sim, using it once to be verified and throwing it away. That wouldn't be foolproof either.

Then they get blocked then they will have get another sim. All goes round in a circle.

2 step verifaction could be implmented on the accounts so they cant throw the sim away.

So you have to verify your mobile more than once? Can't see that being very popular with users

Same why that outlook, gmail, facebook and dropbox can all be setup for 2 step verifaction.

But as i said there is still no one thing that can prevent it from happening. "

They can be setup for it yes.. For the security of the individual user. That's not what we are talking about here. If it's an optional procedure then a fake account just wouldn't set it up.

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By *obrayMan
over a year ago

Craigavon


"As you have found out there is no one thing that can stop it from happening.

Using a combination of things especially the mobile verification would be the best policy but ofcourse the cost would be transferred to the users.

You can pick up a free mobile sim from plenty of networks. Nothing to stop someone from getting a one off sim, using it once to be verified and throwing it away. That wouldn't be foolproof either.

Then they get blocked then they will have get another sim. All goes round in a circle.

2 step verifaction could be implmented on the accounts so they cant throw the sim away.

So you have to verify your mobile more than once? Can't see that being very popular with users

Same why that outlook, gmail, facebook and dropbox can all be setup for 2 step verifaction.

But as i said there is still no one thing that can prevent it from happening.

They can be setup for it yes.. For the security of the individual user. That's not what we are talking about here. If it's an optional procedure then a fake account just wouldn't set it up. "

That why i wasnt talking about optional. I ment force it to be used.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think shouldn't be able to interact with people, view cams, view pics unless you've been a site supporter at least once I.e given a card with your bank account linked to it (and therefore your name) to fab. It would mean if anyone ever broke the law with blackmailing or used others' pics etc they could be traced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think shouldn't be able to interact with people, view cams, view pics unless you've been a site supporter at least once I.e given a card with your bank account linked to it (and therefore your name) to fab. It would mean if anyone ever broke the law with blackmailing or used others' pics etc they could be traced."

That's actually a really good idea!

Back to linkage though.

Your phone, PC or laptop has a device id, serial, Mac address, it's linked through IP regardless of vpn. It all depends on levels of investigation and tools at hand.

A combination of the above with the right system in place can block people individually.

That said, it's a costly exercise. While some accounts would restrict upon opening, others might just get flagged into a queue,meaning a manual review is needed. Depending on what sec system is used.

I'm sure admin have enough on their plate.

It's up to us, the wider Fab community to report the fakes.

It would take less time to do that than posting a message in the forums.

Oh and the OP is no longer on the site

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By *arnal DesiresCouple
over a year ago

Limerick


"I think shouldn't be able to interact with people, view cams, view pics unless you've been a site supporter at least once I.e given a card with your bank account linked to it (and therefore your name) to fab. It would mean if anyone ever broke the law with blackmailing or used others' pics etc they could be traced."

All well and good till you consider 2 things

1 it would discourage a lot of genuine newbies froma interacting with the site and 2 what about those top up/ disposable credit cards that aren't linked to anyone. No traceability with those

Nick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think shouldn't be able to interact with people, view cams, view pics unless you've been a site supporter at least once I.e given a card with your bank account linked to it (and therefore your name) to fab. It would mean if anyone ever broke the law with blackmailing or used others' pics etc they could be traced.

That's actually a really good idea!

Back to linkage though.

Your phone, PC or laptop has a device id, serial, Mac address, it's linked through IP regardless of vpn. It all depends on levels of investigation and tools at hand.

A combination of the above with the right system in place can block people individually.

That said, it's a costly exercise. While some accounts would restrict upon opening, others might just get flagged into a queue,meaning a manual review is needed. Depending on what sec system is used.

I'm sure admin have enough on their plate.

It's up to us, the wider Fab community to report the fakes.

It would take less time to do that than posting a message in the forums.

Oh and the OP is no longer on the site "

No its not. Neither your serial, device id (whatever that is), nor your mac address is viewable to a website you visit. None of these things can be used to block people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think shouldn't be able to interact with people, view cams, view pics unless you've been a site supporter at least once I.e given a card with your bank account linked to it (and therefore your name) to fab. It would mean if anyone ever broke the law with blackmailing or used others' pics etc they could be traced."

I'm sure that would work as a way of identifying peoole, but it woukd also kill the community. Many people wouldn't give their real name to a swinging site, let alone their bank details.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No its not. Neither your serial, device id (whatever that is), nor your mac address is viewable to a website you visit. None of these things can be used to block people. "

It is if you have the right software/licensed programs and so on etc.

It's part of my job.

I'm nearly ten years in a job that partially entails these tasks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also I'm curious to know how you can categorically dismiss the device id when you just said that you don't know what it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No its not. Neither your serial, device id (whatever that is), nor your mac address is viewable to a website you visit. None of these things can be used to block people.

It is if you have the right software/licensed programs and so on etc.

It's part of my job.

I'm nearly ten years in a job that partially entails these tasks."

OK. Give me one way for a website to identify the serial number or Mac address of each user that visits a site. It's not possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's most certainly possible.

Also your question has already been answered somewhat above.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's most certainly possible.

Also your question has already been answered somewhat above."

Please enlighten me. Because it is a very serious security violation if websites I visit are tracking me in this way. Be specific please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That I will not.

Do your own research.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That I will not.

Do your own research."

So I'm just to believe that this amazing thing you think you can do (that Google and Facebook can't do btw) with zero proof.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A Web browser simply does not give detailed system information to websites you visit. It's designed specifically not to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are your own person. I'm not preaching anything. I just put it out there.

Work calls.

Have a nice day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are your own person. I'm not preaching anything. I just put it out there.

Work calls.

Have a nice day."

I'm just trying to inject a little realism into the misinformation and fud in this area. Web browsers are designed to specifically NOT allow data leaks of this kind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any site you log into & I don't mean just visit will note ur IP address.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Any site you log into & I don't mean just visit will note ur IP address."

Nope. All you have to do is visit a website for your IP to be logged. No need to login. It's mostly useless information though as IP addresses change, as discussed earlier in the thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have static and dynamic IP addresses. Sometimes what you use at home is dependant on your ISP.

This is mainly taken from a licensed internet security firms site:

Every device provides insight into the intentions of the person behind it. Our technology identifies and continues to recognize devices over time without requiring personal information. A device may be new to you but we already know the history of most of the devices connected to your website or mobile app.

While a device may be new to you, we already recognize devices in 86% of the 4+ billion transactions we protect annually.

Our system has intelligence on over 3 billion global devices and that number grows every day.

Fraudsters like to hide and we have powerful tools to let you know when your site visitors use anonymous proxies, emulators or TOR. We also flag risk factors like mismatched times zones, browser language, locations and inconsistent IP addresses.

Tor Network disguises a device by moving its traffic across different servers and encrypting it.

An Anonymous Proxy hides a device’s IP address and corresponding location from the site they’re visiting.

Emulators mimic device types and operating systems so that a user can camouflage their device identity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

None of which mentions tracking users by Mac address, serial number, or device id. Which is impossible.

It also says that using a proxy hides your real IP. Just as I've been saying.

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By *arnal DesiresCouple
over a year ago

Limerick


"None of which mentions tracking users by Mac address, serial number, or device id. Which is impossible.

It also says that using a proxy hides your real IP. Just as I've been saying.

"

It's not impossible just not going go happen. I assume you'd need to download some sort of plug in from fab in order to identify macs etc.

All fab can or will do is log ips

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"None of which mentions tracking users by Mac address, serial number, or device id. Which is impossible.

It also says that using a proxy hides your real IP. Just as I've been saying.

It's not impossible just not going go happen. I assume you'd need to download some sort of plug in from fab in order to identify macs etc.

All fab can or will do is log ips "

OK fair point. If fab had a browser plugin that all users had to install, available for all platforms and all different browsers, and didn't let you use fab until you installed it... Then that could be theoretically possible. But it would be commercial suicide.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love this techie side of men it's sooo hot

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By *arnal DesiresCouple
over a year ago

Limerick


"None of which mentions tracking users by Mac address, serial number, or device id. Which is impossible.

It also says that using a proxy hides your real IP. Just as I've been saying.

It's not impossible just not going go happen. I assume you'd need to download some sort of plug in from fab in order to identify macs etc.

All fab can or will do is log ips

OK fair point. If fab had a browser plugin that all users had to install, available for all platforms and all different browsers, and didn't let you use fab until you installed it... Then that could be theoretically possible. But it would be commercial suicide."

It would which is why it won't go ahead. Unless they used something like flash for videos and embedded the plug in within that download

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A MAC ID can be found. That script I posted is one varied angle of tracking visitors.

Your social footprint will always be talking behind you.

Your device id is equally as important as MAC.

You probably use at least two online services that I can think of offhand that record IP, MAC, Device and serial information when you use them.

Banging my head against a wall here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Love this techie side of men it's sooo hot "

Trust you!!! Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed. Im using my phone right now and flash isn't supported on Android so it wouldn't be tracking me right now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A MAC ID can be found. That script I posted is one varied angle of tracking visitors.

Your social footprint will always be talking behind you.

Your device id is equally as important as MAC.

You probably use at least two online services that I can think of offhand that record IP, MAC, Device and serial information when you use them.

Banging my head against a wall here."

Can you post a link? I'm genuinely interested in how that could work. If you are on the local network then the mac address can be found easily.. But over the Internet? Which sites are these?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a sidenote okay....

Only sites that deem these programs/sec systems necessary will purchase the licence's.

The majority of sites don't have them. Don't be freaked over it.

As for a link, well there wouldn't be a link. They are programs and hardware bought by site owners and companies etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just a sidenote okay....

Only sites that deem these programs/sec systems necessary will purchase the licence's.

The majority of sites don't have them. Don't be freaked over it.

As for a link, well there wouldn't be a link. They are programs and hardware bought by site owners and companies etc."

So this is licenseable software, but it doesn't have a website or a name, and media doesn't know about, is that what you're saying?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First pint is correct.

Second point incorrect.

I just won't name them. They are industry specific.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's very convenient isn't it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's very convenient isn't it. "

No need to get ratty.

Do your own research. I'm not spoon feeding you.

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin


"That I will not.

Do your own research.

So I'm just to believe that this amazing thing you think you can do (that Google and Facebook can't do btw) with zero proof."

Google can use their analatics" spellin sucks" to not only track your IP address that was in place at the time but also the device you were using and the OS installed on the device and the browser you were using.. not to mention more info they store

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin


"You are your own person. I'm not preaching anything. I just put it out there.

Work calls.

Have a nice day.

I'm just trying to inject a little realism into the misinformation and fud in this area. Web browsers are designed to specifically NOT allow data leaks of this kind. "

I think the conversation in going back and forth between date leakage and data retention..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Google use location and behavioral statistics to send ads and traffic that are specific to you over to your device in use.

That is something totally unrelated to what we are discussing.

Google Analytics are a different ball game altogether.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So let's say for a second that what you're saying is true, that a network adaptors Mac address is trackable across the Internet (which isn't true I'm fairly sure)..

Changing it is easy. If I was blocked I would just change it. Alternatively just logon from another device, or a public WiFi hotshot, or a 3g adaptor. There are any numbers of ways to get yourself unblocked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I give up after this.

Get over the MAC piece for a second....

The are a number of identifiers that can be used.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That I will not.

Do your own research.

So I'm just to believe that this amazing thing you think you can do (that Google and Facebook can't do btw) with zero proof.

Google can use their analatics" spellin sucks" to not only track your IP address that was in place at the time but also the device you were using and the OS installed on the device and the browser you were using.. not to mention more info they store"

That's all true, but it still doesn't uniquely identify a user for blocking purposes. It's not accurate enough.

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin


"None of which mentions tracking users by Mac address, serial number, or device id. Which is impossible.

It also says that using a proxy hides your real IP. Just as I've been saying.

Flash is on its way out tho.. somr devices dont support flash such as iPad and iPhone.. a lot of sites that use flash wont show the videos on the devices

It's not impossible just not going go happen. I assume you'd need to download some sort of plug in from fab in order to identify macs etc.

All fab can or will do is log ips

OK fair point. If fab had a browser plugin that all users had to install, available for all platforms and all different browsers, and didn't let you use fab until you installed it... Then that could be theoretically possible. But it would be commercial suicide.

It would which is why it won't go ahead. Unless they used something like flash for videos and embedded the plug in within that download "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I give up after this.

Get over the MAC piece for a second....

The are a number of identifiers that can be used."

But none of them uniquely identify a user accurately enough to ban someone. They are based on guessing based on the small amount of info available via a browser. The agent strings, the screen resolution, the ip address all used together amongst other things. It's a 'best guess' method and is not reliable enough for blocking , and is easily fooled.

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin


"A MAC ID can be found. That script I posted is one varied angle of tracking visitors.

Your social footprint will always be talking behind you.

Your device id is equally as important as MAC.

You probably use at least two online services that I can think of offhand that record IP, MAC, Device and serial information when you use them.

Banging my head against a wall here."

The amount of people here that probably have malware or spyware on their machine that sends all sorts of details to someone would frighten you.. as i said earlier.. using googles analatics "spelling sucks" when you visit a site they can see your ip address, device you used, OS, browser you used and a lot more..

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin


"Google use location and behavioral statistics to send ads and traffic that are specific to you over to your device in use.

That is something totally unrelated to what we are discussing.

Google Analytics are a different ball game altogether."

Actually relates to a few of the comments on the thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A MAC ID can be found. That script I posted is one varied angle of tracking visitors.

Your social footprint will always be talking behind you.

Your device id is equally as important as MAC.

You probably use at least two online services that I can think of offhand that record IP, MAC, Device and serial information when you use them.

Banging my head against a wall here.

The amount of people here that probably have malware or spyware on their machine that sends all sorts of details to someone would frighten you.. as i said earlier.. using googles analatics "spelling sucks" when you visit a site they can see your ip address, device you used, OS, browser you used and a lot more.."

All sites you visit can see this info. The browser tells the site all this info as it helps the site know how to serve the context correctly. It's not unique though. So its not good enough for blocking purposes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite a few people probably do have toolbars, malware, unpatched browsers, viruses etc that can leak info, but not everyone.. And that means it can't be used for accurate blocking either.

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin

But when people are talking about IP addresses and mac numbers to block a user, thats info relating to the device not the profile owner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you work for law enforcement and you have evidence that a crime has been committed then you can apply to an ISP to find out the real name and address from an IP address IF you also know the time and date of the offence (because IPs can change.

As far as I know that is THE ONLY way to accurately and uniquely identify an individual on the internet, other than hacking their machine, which isn't legal.

Its the way the Internet is designed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But when people are talking about IP addresses and mac numbers to block a user, thats info relating to the device not the profile owner."

True, but if you know user x was connected at ip y at time z, then they can be identified.

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin

But we all know the internet is not being used the way it was designed to be used

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But when people are talking about IP addresses and mac numbers to block a user, thats info relating to the device not the profile owner.

True, but if you know user x was connected at ip y at time z, then they can be identified.

"

'by law enforcement' I mean. Not by a website.

Its just not possible for a user to be identified with total accuracy by a website they visit. If they can't be identified then they can't be blocked.

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin

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By *unlinguyMan
over a year ago

South Dublin


"But when people are talking about IP addresses and mac numbers to block a user, thats info relating to the device not the profile owner.

True, but if you know user x was connected at ip y at time z, then they can be identified.

'by law enforcement' I mean. Not by a website.

Its just not possible for a user to be identified with total accuracy by a website they visit. If they can't be identified then they can't be blocked. "

Exactly....exactly... days of they ahould do this or they could just do that... mac this and ip address that.. all boiled down to that last comment..

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By *arnal DesiresCouple
over a year ago

Limerick


"If you work for law enforcement and you have evidence that a crime has been committed then you can apply to an ISP to find out the real name and address from an IP address IF you also know the time and date of the offence (because IPs can change.

As far as I know that is THE ONLY way to accurately and uniquely identify an individual on the internet, other than hacking their machine, which isn't legal.

Its the way the Internet is designed. "

Even isps will want a court order before divulging their customers info

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