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"Some time ago I was reading an article about a female teacher in USA having threesomes with 2 of her students who were 17 at the time. When it came up in the news she got sacked and the kids got a slap on their wrists from the "grown ups" and plenty of virtual pat on their backs by their peers. Nobody commented on how the kids could have been affected by what happened. Nobody branded themail as victims.... Makes me wonder if the teacher was male possibly a rape charge would have been automatic and he would have been branded a pedophile and the girls would have been treated as victims Your thoughts? " If the students were over the age of consent in the jurisdiction, the concept of statutory rape does not apply - unless there is specific law applying to legal adults (over 18) or persons in authority being prohibited from sexual activities with minors who are over the age of consent. 17 is the age of consent in Ireland - while a teacher may be in breach of trust or abusing their authority having sex with a 17 year old pupil, he or she is not guilty of rape. | |||
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"Some time ago I was reading an article about a female teacher in USA having threesomes with 2 of her students who were 17 at the time. When it came up in the news she got sacked and the kids got a slap on their wrists from the "grown ups" and plenty of virtual pat on their backs by their peers. Nobody commented on how the kids could have been affected by what happened. Nobody branded themail as victims.... Makes me wonder if the teacher was male possibly a rape charge would have been automatic and he would have been branded a pedophile and the girls would have been treated as victims Your thoughts? If the students were over the age of consent in the jurisdiction, the concept of statutory rape does not apply - unless there is specific law applying to legal adults (over 18) or persons in authority being prohibited from sexual activities with minors who are over the age of consent. 17 is the age of consent in Ireland - while a teacher may be in breach of trust or abusing their authority having sex with a 17 year old pupil, he or she is not guilty of rape." Until she cries rape | |||
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"Some time ago I was reading an article about a female teacher in USA having threesomes with 2 of her students who were 17 at the time. When it came up in the news she got sacked and the kids got a slap on their wrists from the "grown ups" and plenty of virtual pat on their backs by their peers. Nobody commented on how the kids could have been affected by what happened. Nobody branded themail as victims.... Makes me wonder if the teacher was male possibly a rape charge would have been automatic and he would have been branded a pedophile and the girls would have been treated as victims Your thoughts? If the students were over the age of consent in the jurisdiction, the concept of statutory rape does not apply - unless there is specific law applying to legal adults (over 18) or persons in authority being prohibited from sexual activities with minors who are over the age of consent. 17 is the age of consent in Ireland - while a teacher may be in breach of trust or abusing their authority having sex with a 17 year old pupil, he or she is not guilty of rape. Until she cries rape " Are you suggesting most rape accusations are malicious? | |||
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"Some time ago I was reading an article about a female teacher in USA having threesomes with 2 of her students who were 17 at the time. When it came up in the news she got sacked and the kids got a slap on their wrists from the "grown ups" and plenty of virtual pat on their backs by their peers. Nobody commented on how the kids could have been affected by what happened. Nobody branded themail as victims.... Makes me wonder if the teacher was male possibly a rape charge would have been automatic and he would have been branded a pedophile and the girls would have been treated as victims Your thoughts? If the students were over the age of consent in the jurisdiction, the concept of statutory rape does not apply - unless there is specific law applying to legal adults (over 18) or persons in authority being prohibited from sexual activities with minors who are over the age of consent. 17 is the age of consent in Ireland - while a teacher may be in breach of trust or abusing their authority having sex with a 17 year old pupil, he or she is not guilty of rape. Until she cries rape Are you suggesting most rape accusations are malicious? " No, but it happens, especially in those kind of circumstances | |||
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"Some time ago I was reading an article about a female teacher in USA having threesomes with 2 of her students who were 17 at the time. When it came up in the news she got sacked and the kids got a slap on their wrists from the "grown ups" and plenty of virtual pat on their backs by their peers. Nobody commented on how the kids could have been affected by what happened. Nobody branded themail as victims.... Makes me wonder if the teacher was male possibly a rape charge would have been automatic and he would have been branded a pedophile and the girls would have been treated as victims Your thoughts? If the students were over the age of consent in the jurisdiction, the concept of statutory rape does not apply - unless there is specific law applying to legal adults (over 18) or persons in authority being prohibited from sexual activities with minors who are over the age of consent. 17 is the age of consent in Ireland - while a teacher may be in breach of trust or abusing their authority having sex with a 17 year old pupil, he or she is not guilty of rape. Until she cries rape Are you suggesting most rape accusations are malicious? No, but it happens, especially in those kind of circumstances " And your source for this? | |||
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"Some time ago I was reading an article about a female teacher in USA having threesomes with 2 of her students who were 17 at the time. When it came up in the news she got sacked and the kids got a slap on their wrists from the "grown ups" and plenty of virtual pat on their backs by their peers. Nobody commented on how the kids could have been affected by what happened. Nobody branded themail as victims.... Makes me wonder if the teacher was male possibly a rape charge would have been automatic and he would have been branded a pedophile and the girls would have been treated as victims Your thoughts? If the students were over the age of consent in the jurisdiction, the concept of statutory rape does not apply - unless there is specific law applying to legal adults (over 18) or persons in authority being prohibited from sexual activities with minors who are over the age of consent. 17 is the age of consent in Ireland - while a teacher may be in breach of trust or abusing their authority having sex with a 17 year old pupil, he or she is not guilty of rape. Until she cries rape Are you suggesting most rape accusations are malicious? No, but it happens, especially in those kind of circumstances And your source for this?" We've all heard of these cases, I'm not going to trawl through the Internet to quote sources to you | |||
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"Some time ago I was reading an article about a female teacher in USA having threesomes with 2 of her students who were 17 at the time. When it came up in the news she got sacked and the kids got a slap on their wrists from the "grown ups" and plenty of virtual pat on their backs by their peers. Nobody commented on how the kids could have been affected by what happened. Nobody branded themail as victims.... Makes me wonder if the teacher was male possibly a rape charge would have been automatic and he would have been branded a pedophile and the girls would have been treated as victims Your thoughts? If the students were over the age of consent in the jurisdiction, the concept of statutory rape does not apply - unless there is specific law applying to legal adults (over 18) or persons in authority being prohibited from sexual activities with minors who are over the age of consent. 17 is the age of consent in Ireland - while a teacher may be in breach of trust or abusing their authority having sex with a 17 year old pupil, he or she is not guilty of rape. Until she cries rape Are you suggesting most rape accusations are malicious? " Not at all I wouldn't suggest that accusations would me malicious at all. ..I'm a sports coach and child protection officer in real life so I would be very attentive toward children and vulnerable adults The point I was trying to discuss here is the disparity and somewhat hypocritical view at times that if a female teacher engages in sex vulnerable male students the impact and victimisation of students us minimal while on the reversed scenario the male teacher us branded a pedophile and the girl are treated as victims. I personally would tend to lean that the students should be treated as victims in both scenarios... | |||
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"Some time ago I was reading an article about a female teacher in USA having threesomes with 2 of her students who were 17 at the time. When it came up in the news she got sacked and the kids got a slap on their wrists from the "grown ups" and plenty of virtual pat on their backs by their peers. Nobody commented on how the kids could have been affected by what happened. Nobody branded themail as victims.... Makes me wonder if the teacher was male possibly a rape charge would have been automatic and he would have been branded a pedophile and the girls would have been treated as victims Your thoughts? If the students were over the age of consent in the jurisdiction, the concept of statutory rape does not apply - unless there is specific law applying to legal adults (over 18) or persons in authority being prohibited from sexual activities with minors who are over the age of consent. 17 is the age of consent in Ireland - while a teacher may be in breach of trust or abusing their authority having sex with a 17 year old pupil, he or she is not guilty of rape. Until she cries rape Are you suggesting most rape accusations are malicious? No, but it happens, especially in those kind of circumstances And your source for this? We've all heard of these cases, I'm not going to trawl through the Internet to quote sources to you " Ah right, unsubstantiated rumour. | |||
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"Some time ago I was reading an article about a female teacher in USA having threesomes with 2 of her students who were 17 at the time. When it came up in the news she got sacked and the kids got a slap on their wrists from the "grown ups" and plenty of virtual pat on their backs by their peers. Nobody commented on how the kids could have been affected by what happened. Nobody branded themail as victims.... Makes me wonder if the teacher was male possibly a rape charge would have been automatic and he would have been branded a pedophile and the girls would have been treated as victims Your thoughts? If the students were over the age of consent in the jurisdiction, the concept of statutory rape does not apply - unless there is specific law applying to legal adults (over 18) or persons in authority being prohibited from sexual activities with minors who are over the age of consent. 17 is the age of consent in Ireland - while a teacher may be in breach of trust or abusing their authority having sex with a 17 year old pupil, he or she is not guilty of rape. Until she cries rape Are you suggesting most rape accusations are malicious? Not at all I wouldn't suggest that accusations would me malicious at all. ..I'm a sports coach and child protection officer in real life so I would be very attentive toward children and vulnerable adults The point I was trying to discuss here is the disparity and somewhat hypocritical view at times that if a female teacher engages in sex vulnerable male students the impact and victimisation of students us minimal while on the reversed scenario the male teacher us branded a pedophile and the girl are treated as victims. I personally would tend to lean that the students should be treated as victims in both scenarios..." I was referring to the other poster's "until she cries rape" comment. | |||
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"OP, as I pointed out, if the student in question is above whatever age of consent exists, then unless the law makes specific provision for situations where adults are deemed to have authority or influence over minors, no offence has been committed. The UK has laws covering this, Ireland does not. As for the gender issue, so long as males are raised to see sex with females as a back-slap-worthy trophy, the situation where females abuse their authority to take sexual advantage of minor males will persist." Victim blaming much? | |||
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"OP, as I pointed out, if the student in question is above whatever age of consent exists, then unless the law makes specific provision for situations where adults are deemed to have authority or influence over minors, no offence has been committed. The UK has laws covering this, Ireland does not. As for the gender issue, so long as males are raised to see sex with females as a back-slap-worthy trophy, the situation where females abuse their authority to take sexual advantage of minor males will persist. Victim blaming much? " No - pointing out that societal attitudes to sex as something men do to women and that men are always up for is what allows a female predator to get away lightly in such circumstances. | |||
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"The phrase "crying rape" should just be banned from the world... forever. "100% with you there  | |||
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"I think teachers have all the responsibility on this...student male or female should never be abused...regardless of the age of consent...and before anyone says what about mature students we all know were not talking about them" | |||
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"The phrase "crying rape" should just be banned from the world... forever. "Agree. Also fit for banning is the assumption that a man is gulty of rape merely because he has been accused. | |||
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"The phrase "crying rape" should just be banned from the world... forever.
Agree. Also fit for banning is the assumption that a man is gulty of rape merely because he has been accused."100% agree too.. have heard of a couple appalling cases locally where girls have accused people like taxi drivers and security of sexual assault, it's fallen through and they still carry the cross of just the accusation to this day. | |||
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"The phrase "crying rape" should just be banned from the world... forever.
Agree. Also fit for banning is the assumption that a man is gulty of rape merely because he has been accused.
100% agree too.. have heard of a couple appalling cases locally where girls have accused people like taxi drivers and security of sexual assault, it's fallen through and they still carry the cross of just the accusation to this day."I agree 100% It's scandals... And a insult to those who have ACTUALLY being sexually abused!! I think I'd you accuse someone of rape and it's proved otherwise,the false accuser should be prosecuted. | |||
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"The phrase "crying rape" should just be banned from the world... forever.
Agree. Also fit for banning is the assumption that a man is gulty of rape merely because he has been accused.
100% agree too.. have heard of a couple appalling cases locally where girls have accused people like taxi drivers and security of sexual assault, it's fallen through and they still carry the cross of just the accusation to this day.
I agree 100%
It's scandals...
And a insult to those who have ACTUALLY being sexually abused!!
I think I'd you accuse someone of rape and it's proved otherwise,the false accuser should be prosecuted. "As far as I know there is something that they can be prosecuted under, i'm not sure if it's a slap on the wrist from the guards for timewasting or if you can be done for defamation of character but for the person that's been accused, i'm almost sure there's action they can take if it's been a false accusation. Not 100% sure on that though.  | |||
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"Yes, making false accusations is a prosecutable offence and there have been cases taken. But it is important to remember that a decision by the DPP not to take a case to court or a failure to obtain a conviction does NOT automatically mean that the accusation was false." Oh of course! I'm only referring to the cases that have been proven to be false accusations.. shur there's a whole pile of other situations that can happen, unfortunately. | |||
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"Yes, making false accusations is a prosecutable offence and there have been cases taken. But it is important to remember that a decision by the DPP not to take a case to court or a failure to obtain a conviction does NOT automatically mean that the accusation was false. Oh of course! I'm only referring to the cases that have been proven to be false accusations.. shur there's a whole pile of other situations that can happen, unfortunately. " For sure, particularly in cases where it can ultimately boil down to who sounds more plausible | |||
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"Yes, making false accusations is a prosecutable offence and there have been cases taken. But it is important to remember that a decision by the DPP not to take a case to court or a failure to obtain a conviction does NOT automatically mean that the accusation was false." If a case is taken to court and the court's verdict is "Not Guilty" then the accusation should be considered as false. Otherwise it's "assume they're guilty no matter what a court says". | |||
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"A teachers duty is to provide EDUCATION. A teacher goes into the profession in the full knowledge that there are boundries they should and do not cross. I have absolutely no sympathy for any adult in the profession who crosses the line, imagine the outcry if a nurse or doctor was caught having sex in a hospital with a patient of 17?" Yip shouldn't happen, it goes against all they are supposed to stand for  | |||
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"Yes, making false accusations is a prosecutable offence and there have been cases taken. But it is important to remember that a decision by the DPP not to take a case to court or a failure to obtain a conviction does NOT automatically mean that the accusation was false. If a case is taken to court and the court's verdict is "Not Guilty" then the accusation should be considered as false. Otherwise it's "assume they're guilty no matter what a court says"." No, it means it was not proven as required by the standards of a criminal court. Civil cases may be taken successfully where criminal cases have failed - O J Simpson's was one. | |||
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"Some time ago I was reading an article about a female teacher in USA having threesomes with 2 of her students who were 17 at the time. When it came up in the news she got sacked and the kids got a slap on their wrists from the "grown ups" and plenty of virtual pat on their backs by their peers. Nobody commented on how the kids could have been affected by what happened. Nobody branded themail as victims.... Makes me wonder if the teacher was male possibly a rape charge would have been automatic and he would have been branded a pedophile and the girls would have been treated as victims Your thoughts? " Teachers are meant to be responsible for their students. Shagging them definitely isn't responsible. | |||
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"Yes, making false accusations is a prosecutable offence and there have been cases taken. But it is important to remember that a decision by the DPP not to take a case to court or a failure to obtain a conviction does NOT automatically mean that the accusation was false. If a case is taken to court and the court's verdict is "Not Guilty" then the accusation should be considered as false. Otherwise it's "assume they're guilty no matter what a court says". No, it means it was not proven as required by the standards of a criminal court. Civil cases may be taken successfully where criminal cases have failed - O J Simpson's was one. " Not sure of which country you are in I'm in Northern Ireland andas far as I am aware the law says innocent until proven guilty. Civil cases here do not declare guilt or innocence. What they do in America is based on a very different legal system. We obviously disagree on the need for conviction to allocate guilt. Let's leave it at that. | |||
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"Yes, making false accusations is a prosecutable offence and there have been cases taken. But it is important to remember that a decision by the DPP not to take a case to court or a failure to obtain a conviction does NOT automatically mean that the accusation was false. If a case is taken to court and the court's verdict is "Not Guilty" then the accusation should be considered as false. Otherwise it's "assume they're guilty no matter what a court says". No, it means it was not proven as required by the standards of a criminal court. Civil cases may be taken successfully where criminal cases have failed - O J Simpson's was one. Not sure of which country you are in I'm in Northern Ireland andas far as I am aware the law says innocent until proven guilty. Civil cases here do not declare guilt or innocence. What they do in America is based on a very different legal system. We obviously disagree on the need for conviction to allocate guilt. Let's leave it at that." Yet you have no problem assuming the accuser "guilty" without benefit of a trial for false allegation...... | |||
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"Yes, making false accusations is a prosecutable offence and there have been cases taken. But it is important to remember that a decision by the DPP not to take a case to court or a failure to obtain a conviction does NOT automatically mean that the accusation was false. If a case is taken to court and the court's verdict is "Not Guilty" then the accusation should be considered as false. Otherwise it's "assume they're guilty no matter what a court says". No, it means it was not proven as required by the standards of a criminal court. Civil cases may be taken successfully where criminal cases have failed - O J Simpson's was one. Not sure of which country you are in I'm in Northern Ireland andas far as I am aware the law says innocent until proven guilty. Civil cases here do not declare guilt or innocence. What they do in America is based on a very different legal system. We obviously disagree on the need for conviction to allocate guilt. Let's leave it at that. Yet you have no problem assuming the accuser "guilty" without benefit of a trial for false allegation......" Who said they wouldn't be tried? | |||
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"Yes, making false accusations is a prosecutable offence and there have been cases taken. But it is important to remember that a decision by the DPP not to take a case to court or a failure to obtain a conviction does NOT automatically mean that the accusation was false. If a case is taken to court and the court's verdict is "Not Guilty" then the accusation should be considered as false. Otherwise it's "assume they're guilty no matter what a court says". No, it means it was not proven as required by the standards of a criminal court. Civil cases may be taken successfully where criminal cases have failed - O J Simpson's was one. Not sure of which country you are in I'm in Northern Ireland andas far as I am aware the law says innocent until proven guilty. Civil cases here do not declare guilt or innocence. What they do in America is based on a very different legal system. We obviously disagree on the need for conviction to allocate guilt. Let's leave it at that. Yet you have no problem assuming the accuser "guilty" without benefit of a trial for false allegation...... Who said they wouldn't be tried?" And how often are they? | |||
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