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By *randub69 OP   Man
over a year ago

city

Over the last few days,ive been watching in horror,the pictures on the news of people of all ages,men women children baby's and the elderly walking towards europe from iraq and syria. These people are leaving war zones and looking for a safe haven and don't seem to be getting any help from western goverments...

The same governments that went into those countrys, caused havoc and then left these people to fend for themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over the last few days,ive been watching in horror,the pictures on the news of people of all ages,men women children baby's and the elderly walking towards europe from iraq and syria. These people are leaving war zones and looking for a safe haven and don't seem to be getting any help from western goverments...

The same governments that went into those countrys, caused havoc and then left these people to fend for themselves.

Rant over

"

Have to agree one big bloody mess that will never be sorted.

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By *-ManMan
over a year ago

Kark


"Over the last few days,ive been watching in horror,the pictures on the news of people of all ages,men women children baby's and the elderly walking towards europe from iraq and syria. These people are leaving war zones and looking for a safe haven and don't seem to be getting any help from western goverments...

The same governments that went into those countrys, caused havoc and then left these people to fend for themselves.

Rant over

Have to agree one big bloody mess that will never be sorted."

When the oil runs out it'll quiten down a bit, but it will get much worse as the oil runs out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its Neanderthal,like something from the dark ages,echoes of the unfeeling mass genocide of hitlers era. It may not be concentration camps or the like but exiling these people with absolutely no support or aid,forcing them to walk hundreds of thousands of miles,people of all ages,its inhumane,heartless and speaks volumes about the people who are in power within our society.

It makes me ashamed to be alive that these peoples needs and so many others are not being met. What does it take for people to feel and to show a shred of empathy for their fellow human

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By *randub69 OP   Man
over a year ago

city


"Its Neanderthal,like something from the dark ages,echoes of the unfeeling mass genocide of hitlers era. It may not be concentration camps or the like but exiling these people with absolutely no support or aid,forcing them to walk hundreds of thousands of miles,people of all ages,its inhumane,heartless and speaks volumes about the people who are in power within our society.

It makes me ashamed to be alive that these peoples needs and so many others are not being met. What does it take for people to feel and to show a shred of empathy for their fellow human "

As I was watching the news, I got a flashback of the TV footage I had seen almost twenty five years ago of the people of Bosnia and croatia leaving their villages and towns.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its Neanderthal,like something from the dark ages,echoes of the unfeeling mass genocide of hitlers era. It may not be concentration camps or the like but exiling these people with absolutely no support or aid,forcing them to walk hundreds of thousands of miles,people of all ages,its inhumane,heartless and speaks volumes about the people who are in power within our society.

It makes me ashamed to be alive that these peoples needs and so many others are not being met. What does it take for people to feel and to show a shred of empathy for their fellow human

As I was watching the news, I got a flashback of the TV footage I had seen almost twenty five years ago of the people of Bosnia and croatia leaving their villages and towns."

Are we all destined to repeat the mistakes of our ancestors? In twenty or twenty five more years will our children and grandchildren be witnessing the same horrors under different rulers?

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By *ore of thatMan
over a year ago

skerries

This eu is nothing better than modern day Nazi rule .the Germans are ruling the roost what they say goes .their economy is doing ok thanks to the rest of Europe .lts Merkels way or no way .Europe should be doing more for these unfortunate people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck'n western foreign policy, shame upon the so called eu leaders and America. Their foreign policies have done more harm than good.they are responsible for this mess, wars in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan. They have sold weapons, stealing oil, invade and killed innocent people in their own country, they have left them with nothing. Fuck'n blood sucker and gread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is a sad state of affairs. The unfortunate thing is. We are all to blame. Can any one of us honestly look into the mirror, ask ourselves, "have you done enough?" Then answer yes! I don't think any of us can. Until we do as individuals, then this will continue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is a sad state of affairs. The unfortunate thing is. We are all to blame. Can any one of us honestly look into the mirror, ask ourselves, "have you done enough?" Then answer yes! I don't think any of us can. Until we do as individuals, then this will continue."

To be fair 247,I don't believe there is ever enough. Even if a person was to forgo all of lifes luxuries and volunteer of themselves 24/7 til the day that they die,it would still not be enough. Because somebody somewhere is still going to be suffering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its Neanderthal,like something from the dark ages,echoes of the unfeeling mass genocide of hitlers era. It may not be concentration camps or the like but exiling these people with absolutely no support or aid,forcing them to walk hundreds of thousands of miles,people of all ages,its inhumane,heartless and speaks volumes about the people who are in power within our society.

It makes me ashamed to be alive that these peoples needs and so many others are not being met. What does it take for people to feel and to show a shred of empathy for their fellow human

As I was watching the news, I got a flashback of the TV footage I had seen almost twenty five years ago of the people of Bosnia and croatia leaving their villages and towns.

Are we all destined to repeat the mistakes of our ancestors? In twenty or twenty five more years will our children and grandchildren be witnessing the same horrors under different rulers?"

Nobody ever learns from someone else's mistake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is a sad state of affairs. The unfortunate thing is. We are all to blame. Can any one of us honestly look into the mirror, ask ourselves, "have you done enough?" Then answer yes! I don't think any of us can. Until we do as individuals, then this will continue.

To be fair 247,I don't believe there is ever enough. Even if a person was to forgo all of lifes luxuries and volunteer of themselves 24/7 til the day that they die,it would still not be enough. Because somebody somewhere is still going to be suffering. "

I agree with you there. It's heartbreaking that our society is the way it is. We seem to forget, that as a species, we have basic needs. We just don't make sure that everyone has those. If we could ensure that everyone had these. Then we could start to build on that and build on that for everyone equally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its Neanderthal,like something from the dark ages,echoes of the unfeeling mass genocide of hitlers era. It may not be concentration camps or the like but exiling these people with absolutely no support or aid,forcing them to walk hundreds of thousands of miles,people of all ages,its inhumane,heartless and speaks volumes about the people who are in power within our society.

It makes me ashamed to be alive that these peoples needs and so many others are not being met. What does it take for people to feel and to show a shred of empathy for their fellow human

As I was watching the news, I got a flashback of the TV footage I had seen almost twenty five years ago of the people of Bosnia and croatia leaving their villages and towns.

Are we all destined to repeat the mistakes of our ancestors? In twenty or twenty five more years will our children and grandchildren be witnessing the same horrors under different rulers?

Nobody ever learns from someone else's mistake"

That is actually so very true Casey,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if you ask me all threads will lead back to Blair & that puppet Bush after 9/11

iv been in iraq and the people there are among the nicest people on earth , they dont have much ,like us here 50 yrs ago.

pity the way things are today , life is realy fast people have 2 slow down & quickly .

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By *ymguylMan
over a year ago

ennis

horrible to watch these sceens unfold in what surpose to be a civilised world each generation has see horrow and war and famines' yet it talk and no action ' hang our heads in shame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow! This is such a contentious issue... should it really be a topic on a "swingers" site? Come on guys... lets use the site like its meant to be..... fun!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry no disrespect to OP

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"Over the last few days,ive been watching in horror,the pictures on the news of people of all ages,men women children baby's and the elderly walking towards europe from iraq and syria. These people are leaving war zones and looking for a safe haven and don't seem to be getting any help from western goverments...

The same governments that went into those countrys, caused havoc and then left these people to fend for themselves.

Rant over

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Since Russia has had a major hand in Syria, in particular, and is closer than Germany, it's surprising that they are not experiencing the same number of refugees

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By *randub69 OP   Man
over a year ago

city


"Sorry no disrespect to OP"

I understand what your saying but the forums are used for lots of things. Anybody that doesn't want to read it or comment on it is free to ignore it..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry no disrespect to OP

I understand what your saying but the forums are used for lots of things. Anybody that doesn't want to read it or comment on it is free to ignore it.."

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By *-ManMan
over a year ago

Kark


"Its Neanderthal,like something from the dark ages,echoes of the unfeeling mass genocide of hitlers era. It may not be concentration camps or the like but exiling these people with absolutely no support or aid,forcing them to walk hundreds of thousands of miles,people of all ages,its inhumane,heartless and speaks volumes about the people who are in power within our society.

It makes me ashamed to be alive that these peoples needs and so many others are not being met. What does it take for people to feel and to show a shred of empathy for their fellow human

As I was watching the news, I got a flashback of the TV footage I had seen almost twenty five years ago of the people of Bosnia and croatia leaving their villages and towns.

Are we all destined to repeat the mistakes of our ancestors? In twenty or twenty five more years will our children and grandchildren be witnessing the same horrors under different rulers?

Nobody ever learns from someone else's mistake"

Those who forget the past are destined to repeat it

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By *-ManMan
over a year ago

Kark

There's kids these countries who suffer PTSD like symptoms upon hearing any buzzing noise, it reminds them of drones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Half the world has ...half have not its was predicted we will destroy ourselves and we will we cannot ignore this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A very short but interesting clip about displaced people from Syria.

https://www.facebook.com/gapminder.org/videos/1014061668628791/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As awful as this is and understand from an ex how it effects someone's life so much..I hate pointing out our own country is a bloody mess okay granted not to the point of war. But everyday there are more and more people sleeping on the streets families living out of cars.. All the emergency shelters are gone. Should we not fix our own before saving the world??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If every western country waits to get their own issues fixed before helping others in much more desperate need, no support would ever be given.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If every western country waits to get their own issues fixed before helping others in much more desperate need, no support would ever be given. "
that's a very valid point and I'm not saying they shouldn't give help at all don't get me wrong but if they can't fix their own mess too at the same time where are they going to put these individuals too? Welcome to Ireland here's a cardboard box?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thing is. There is money. But it's spent in the wrong places.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thing is. There is money. But it's spent in the wrong places.

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exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway."
no biggles we can't and I'm far from racist either but our own people don't even have shelter what are they doing rasing that number..

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By *octorNickMan
over a year ago

Cork

It's truly heartbreaking to see people in this situation, people who have fled civil wars or from ISIS in the Middle East

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aren't most of these groups fighting among themselves? Most of the foreign refugees don't seem to want to integrate, they want their life in the West. So they group together & form ghettos. Is our health & welfare system really ready for a huge influx of refugees? They seem surprised that we're not standing at the ports with our arms open wide, try going to live as you please in one of their countries & let me know how tolerant they are. It's very sad but these people ask for help when their dictator starts killing them, if we don't help we're slated, if we do the tree huggers don't want anyone hurt. Enough already! The world's problems are not all ours.

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By *j47Man
over a year ago

limerick

While agreeing with most of the sentiment expressed above I do believe there has to be process put into this. Who are these people where have they come from what is their intention, yes there are lots fleeing civil war but its also a great way of sending economic migrants and those that are under cover for the likes of isis. If it is truely asylum they seek why continue a journey to Europe when they just need to find safe haven which can be affored to them in neighbouring countries, yes the western world need to stand up and play a part but with a country like Hungary being swamped by all these in transit refugees it can unbalance an already suffering economy which in turn can spread to the whole euro zone and when that fails where will they go. It's my opinion and as I have said before opinions change but at this moment these refugees should be dealt with closer to home so when stability returns they may also return to their homes

Just another perspective on the discussion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the so call big nations in our world do give a dam bout, no money in it for them, oil,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Aren't most of these groups fighting among themselves? Most of the foreign refugees don't seem to want to integrate, they want their life in the West. So they group together & form ghettos. Is our health & welfare system really ready for a huge influx of refugees? They seem surprised that we're not standing at the ports with our arms open wide, try going to live as you please in one of their countries & let me know how tolerant they are. It's very sad but these people ask for help when their dictator starts killing them, if we don't help we're slated, if we do the tree huggers don't want anyone hurt. Enough already! The world's problems are not all ours. "

Exactly if the west act we be accused of going in for oil and if we dont then were accused of ignoren the situation because there is no oil.Arab countries are strong enough to defend themselves and stop the onslaught i think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Aren't most of these groups fighting among themselves? Most of the foreign refugees don't seem to want to integrate, they want their life in the West. So they group together & form ghettos. Is our health & welfare system really ready for a huge influx of refugees? They seem surprised that we're not standing at the ports with our arms open wide, try going to live as you please in one of their countries & let me know how tolerant they are. It's very sad but these people ask for help when their dictator starts killing them, if we don't help we're slated, if we do the tree huggers don't want anyone hurt. Enough already! The world's problems are not all ours.

Exactly if the west act we be accused of going in for oil and if we dont then were accused of ignoren the situation because there is no oil.Arab countries are strong enough to defend themselves and stop the onslaught i think."
bullshit, only look at the last 30 years of world history,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Aren't most of these groups fighting among themselves? Most of the foreign refugees don't seem to want to integrate, they want their life in the West. So they group together & form ghettos. Is our health & welfare system really ready for a huge influx of refugees? They seem surprised that we're not standing at the ports with our arms open wide, try going to live as you please in one of their countries & let me know how tolerant they are. It's very sad but these people ask for help when their dictator starts killing them, if we don't help we're slated, if we do the tree huggers don't want anyone hurt. Enough already! The world's problems are not all ours.

Exactly if the west act we be accused of going in for oil and if we dont then were accused of ignoren the situation because there is no oil.Arab countries are strong enough to defend themselves and stop the onslaught i think.bullshit, only look at the last 30 years of world history, "

ah if you look over the last few centuries in history theres always wars between east and west not involing oil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Aren't most of these groups fighting among themselves? Most of the foreign refugees don't seem to want to integrate, they want their life in the West. So they group together & form ghettos. Is our health & welfare system really ready for a huge influx of refugees? They seem surprised that we're not standing at the ports with our arms open wide, try going to live as you please in one of their countries & let me know how tolerant they are. It's very sad but these people ask for help when their dictator starts killing them, if we don't help we're slated, if we do the tree huggers don't want anyone hurt. Enough already! The world's problems are not all ours.

Exactly if the west act we be accused of going in for oil and if we dont then were accused of ignoren the situation because there is no oil.Arab countries are strong enough to defend themselves and stop the onslaught i think.bullshit, only look at the last 30 years of world history,

ah if you look over the last few centuries in history theres always wars between east and west not involing oil."
if you want to go down that road of centuries ago, the so call powers of this world would have to hang there head in shame,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Aren't most of these groups fighting among themselves? Most of the foreign refugees don't seem to want to integrate, they want their life in the West. So they group together & form ghettos. Is our health & welfare system really ready for a huge influx of refugees? They seem surprised that we're not standing at the ports with our arms open wide, try going to live as you please in one of their countries & let me know how tolerant they are. It's very sad but these people ask for help when their dictator starts killing them, if we don't help we're slated, if we do the tree huggers don't want anyone hurt. Enough already! The world's problems are not all ours.

Exactly if the west act we be accused of going in for oil and if we dont then were accused of ignoren the situation because there is no oil.Arab countries are strong enough to defend themselves and stop the onslaught i think.bullshit, only look at the last 30 years of world history,

ah if you look over the last few centuries in history theres always wars between east and west not involing oil.if you want to go down that road of centuries ago, the so call powers of this world would have to hang there head in shame, "

Yeah, America & China should never have joined the Crusades...

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

Nobody seems to believe we should not offer asylum to genuine refugees. I would like to offer financial aid but don't have the money for my own needs. Why should we look at National resources any differently?

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By *randub69 OP   Man
over a year ago

city


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway."

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit.

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By *randub69 OP   Man
over a year ago

city


"Aren't most of these groups fighting among themselves? Most of the foreign refugees don't seem to want to integrate, they want their life in the West. So they group together & form ghettos. Is our health & welfare system really ready for a huge influx of refugees? They seem surprised that we're not standing at the ports with our arms open wide, try going to live as you please in one of their countries & let me know how tolerant they are. It's very sad but these people ask for help when their dictator starts killing them, if we don't help we're slated, if we do the tree huggers don't want anyone hurt. Enough already! The world's problems are not all ours. "

candy you say aren't most of these groups fighting among themselves.what groups are you talking about..

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit."

Rather depends on who you mean doing the accommodating and over what timescale.

Europe - a million a year is a conservative estimate

UK probably a million in 3 years

Ireland I've no idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit."
Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit."

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By *randub69 OP   Man
over a year ago

city


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit. Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

"

I never said we should bring anyone here...I said their looking for a safe haven. That could be a safe refugee camp in a neighbouring country funded and protected by the rich western countries that caused the problems in these people's countries.

you say Ireland is struggling to look after itself. ...How many politicans and bankers etc do u see struggling. .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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candy you say aren't most of these groups fighting among themselves.what groups are you talking about.. "

The groups of Syrian/Iraqi/Afghan/Eritrean & Libyan refugees.

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By *randub69 OP   Man
over a year ago

city


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candy you say aren't most of these groups fighting among themselves.what groups are you talking about..

The groups of Syrian/Iraqi/Afghan/Eritrean & Libyan refugees."

so your saying every single person in them countries is fighting with someone else.?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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candy you say aren't most of these groups fighting among themselves.what groups are you talking about..

The groups of Syrian/Iraqi/Afghan/Eritrean & Libyan refugees.

so your saying every single person in them countries is fighting with someone else.?"

Nope.

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By *randub69 OP   Man
over a year ago

city


"

candy you say aren't most of these groups fighting among themselves.what groups are you talking about..

The groups of Syrian/Iraqi/Afghan/Eritrean & Libyan refugees.

so your saying every single person in them countries is fighting with someone else.?

Nope. "

yep ...just as I taught... you were making it all up as you went along....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit. Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

I never said we should bring anyone here...I said their looking for a safe haven. That could be a safe refugee camp in a neighbouring country funded and protected by the rich western countries that caused the problems in these people's countries.

you say Ireland is struggling to look after itself. ...How many politicans and bankers etc do u see struggling. ."

Didn't notice many politicians or bankers getting tear-gassed in Macedonia either.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit. Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

I never said we should bring anyone here...I said their looking for a safe haven. That could be a safe refugee camp in a neighbouring country funded and protected by the rich western countries that caused the problems in these people's countries.

you say Ireland is struggling to look after itself. ...How many politicans and bankers etc do u see struggling. ."

Gerry Adams is having a rough time at the moment! Shame!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway."
....yea we have first world issues..you need a reality check my man..take your head out of the sand!!

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.....yea we have first world issues..you need a reality check my man..take your head out of the sand!!"

I presume you mean Ireland should provide more aid. Maybe its creditors, including the UK, should have a say or be paid in full first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit. Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

I never said we should bring anyone here...I said their looking for a safe haven. That could be a safe refugee camp in a neighbouring country funded and protected by the rich western countries that caused the problems in these people's countries.

you say Ireland is struggling to look after itself. ...How many politicans and bankers etc do u see struggling. ."

And how many of those Bankers donate privately to charities to help people? They just don't feel the need to shout about it.

Also why push the problem onto another country? If you cannot help them yourself your discussion is finished. As usual people like you are all talk and no action.

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By *randub69 OP   Man
over a year ago

city


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit. Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

I never said we should bring anyone here...I said their looking for a safe haven. That could be a safe refugee camp in a neighbouring country funded and protected by the rich western countries that caused the problems in these people's countries.

you say Ireland is struggling to look after itself. ...How many politicans and bankers etc do u see struggling. .

And how many of those Bankers donate privately to charities to help people? They just don't feel the need to shout about it.

Also why push the problem onto another country? If you cannot help them yourself your discussion is finished. As usual people like you are all talk and no action.

"

first of all teaser I was only explaining what I'd seen on the news...so don't go trying to twist things....

And also teaser,the bankers I am talking about, are not the ordinary Staff in the bank,who I am sure like the rest of us do our bit of donating....The bankers I am talking about are the fcukurs that should be in jail....

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway."

I was reading this wondering when someone would write 'I'm not racist but....' and bingo!! I was almost right........

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin

I blame the greeks!! This is a thread for misinformed opinions right??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit. Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

I never said we should bring anyone here...I said their looking for a safe haven. That could be a safe refugee camp in a neighbouring country funded and protected by the rich western countries that caused the problems in these people's countries.

you say Ireland is struggling to look after itself. ...How many politicans and bankers etc do u see struggling. .

And how many of those Bankers donate privately to charities to help people? They just don't feel the need to shout about it.

Also why push the problem onto another country? If you cannot help them yourself your discussion is finished. As usual people like you are all talk and no action.

first of all teaser I was only explaining what I'd seen on the news...so don't go trying to twist things....

And also teaser,the bankers I am talking about, are not the ordinary Staff in the bank,who I am sure like the rest of us do our bit of donating....The bankers I am talking about are the fcukurs that should be in jail...."
I think you need to learn more about banking before you go throwing you comments about

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By *randub69 OP   Man
over a year ago

city


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit. Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

I never said we should bring anyone here...I said their looking for a safe haven. That could be a safe refugee camp in a neighbouring country funded and protected by the rich western countries that caused the problems in these people's countries.

you say Ireland is struggling to look after itself. ...How many politicans and bankers etc do u see struggling. .

And how many of those Bankers donate privately to charities to help people? They just don't feel the need to shout about it.

Also why push the problem onto another country? If you cannot help them yourself your discussion is finished. As usual people like you are all talk and no action.

first of all teaser I was only explaining what I'd seen on the news...so don't go trying to twist things....

And also teaser,the bankers I am talking about, are not the ordinary Staff in the bank,who I am sure like the rest of us do our bit of donating....The bankers I am talking about are the fcukurs that should be in jail.... I think you need to learn more about banking before you go throwing you comments about

"

it's obvious your not been kept in the loop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit. Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

I never said we should bring anyone here...I said their looking for a safe haven. That could be a safe refugee camp in a neighbouring country funded and protected by the rich western countries that caused the problems in these people's countries.

you say Ireland is struggling to look after itself. ...How many politicans and bankers etc do u see struggling. .

And how many of those Bankers donate privately to charities to help people? They just don't feel the need to shout about it.

Also why push the problem onto another country? If you cannot help them yourself your discussion is finished. As usual people like you are all talk and no action.

first of all teaser I was only explaining what I'd seen on the news...so don't go trying to twist things....

And also teaser,the bankers I am talking about, are not the ordinary Staff in the bank,who I am sure like the rest of us do our bit of donating....The bankers I am talking about are the fcukurs that should be in jail.... I think you need to learn more about banking before you go throwing you comments about

it's obvious your not been kept in the loop"
Well not the loop you are in thank god. I go on facts and figures not hearsay

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"I blame the greeks!! This is a thread for misinformed opinions right?? "

I blame the people's front of judea splitters! !!

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By *randub69 OP   Man
over a year ago

city


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit. Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

I never said we should bring anyone here...I said their looking for a safe haven. That could be a safe refugee camp in a neighbouring country funded and protected by the rich western countries that caused the problems in these people's countries.

you say Ireland is struggling to look after itself. ...How many politicans and bankers etc do u see struggling. .

And how many of those Bankers donate privately to charities to help people? They just don't feel the need to shout about it.

Also why push the problem onto another country? If you cannot help them yourself your discussion is finished. As usual people like you are all talk and no action.

first of all teaser I was only explaining what I'd seen on the news...so don't go trying to twist things....

And also teaser,the bankers I am talking about, are not the ordinary Staff in the bank,who I am sure like the rest of us do our bit of donating....The bankers I am talking about are the fcukurs that should be in jail.... I think you need to learn more about banking before you go throwing you comments about

it's obvious your not been kept in the loop Well not the loop you are in thank god. I go on facts and figures not hearsay

"

no need to be like that...my loop is fine.

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit. Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

I never said we should bring anyone here...I said their looking for a safe haven. That could be a safe refugee camp in a neighbouring country funded and protected by the rich western countries that caused the problems in these people's countries.

you say Ireland is struggling to look after itself. ...How many politicans and bankers etc do u see struggling. .

And how many of those Bankers donate privately to charities to help people? They just don't feel the need to shout about it.

Also why push the problem onto another country? If you cannot help them yourself your discussion is finished. As usual people like you are all talk and no action.

first of all teaser I was only explaining what I'd seen on the news...so don't go trying to twist things....

And also teaser,the bankers I am talking about, are not the ordinary Staff in the bank,who I am sure like the rest of us do our bit of donating....The bankers I am talking about are the fcukurs that should be in jail.... I think you need to learn more about banking before you go throwing you comments about

it's obvious your not been kept in the loop Well not the loop you are in thank god. I go on facts and figures not hearsay

"

Ah yes hearsay, they were a great band, whatever happened to them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit. Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

I never said we should bring anyone here...I said their looking for a safe haven. That could be a safe refugee camp in a neighbouring country funded and protected by the rich western countries that caused the problems in these people's countries.

you say Ireland is struggling to look after itself. ...How many politicans and bankers etc do u see struggling. .

And how many of those Bankers donate privately to charities to help people? They just don't feel the need to shout about it.

Also why push the problem onto another country? If you cannot help them yourself your discussion is finished. As usual people like you are all talk and no action.

first of all teaser I was only explaining what I'd seen on the news...so don't go trying to twist things....

And also teaser,the bankers I am talking about, are not the ordinary Staff in the bank,who I am sure like the rest of us do our bit of donating....The bankers I am talking about are the fcukurs that should be in jail.... I think you need to learn more about banking before you go throwing you comments about

it's obvious your not been kept in the loop Well not the loop you are in thank god. I go on facts and figures not hearsay

Ah yes hearsay, they were a great band, whatever happened to them? "
lol Mr Wilder... I had to Google them

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway.

lol...who said we need to look after another million or so people. .....I think your exaggeration a bit. Ireland is struggling to look after itself...unless you are offering to house and feed them??

Its an awful situation these people are in but sinking your own country to help them is no answer

I never said we should bring anyone here...I said their looking for a safe haven. That could be a safe refugee camp in a neighbouring country funded and protected by the rich western countries that caused the problems in these people's countries.

you say Ireland is struggling to look after itself. ...How many politicans and bankers etc do u see struggling. .

And how many of those Bankers donate privately to charities to help people? They just don't feel the need to shout about it.

Also why push the problem onto another country? If you cannot help them yourself your discussion is finished. As usual people like you are all talk and no action.

first of all teaser I was only explaining what I'd seen on the news...so don't go trying to twist things....

And also teaser,the bankers I am talking about, are not the ordinary Staff in the bank,who I am sure like the rest of us do our bit of donating....The bankers I am talking about are the fcukurs that should be in jail.... I think you need to learn more about banking before you go throwing you comments about

it's obvious your not been kept in the loop Well not the loop you are in thank god. I go on facts and figures not hearsay

Ah yes hearsay, they were a great band, whatever happened to them? lol Mr Wilder... I had to Google them "

Myleene klasse can tickle my ivorys anytime!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its Neanderthal,like something from the dark ages,echoes of the unfeeling mass genocide of hitlers era. It may not be concentration camps or the like but exiling these people with absolutely no support or aid,forcing them to walk hundreds of thousands of miles,people of all ages,its inhumane,heartless and speaks volumes about the people who are in power within our society.

It makes me ashamed to be alive that these peoples needs and so many others are not being met. What does it take for people to feel and to show a shred of empathy for their fellow human

As I was watching the news, I got a flashback of the TV footage I had seen almost twenty five years ago of the people of Bosnia and croatia leaving their villages and towns."

That's true however some people did stay behind and fight for the country, though it was a massacre it was sorted in the end. I see these migrants, most of them young men and wonder why they don't stay and fight for there country? Then we have to remember some are also leaving for financial gain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is a sad state of affairs. The unfortunate thing is. We are all to blame. Can any one of us honestly look into the mirror, ask ourselves, "have you done enough?" Then answer yes! I don't think any of us can. Until we do as individuals, then this will continue."

Not sure why you think we as people are to blame for this situation ? This migrant problem is the consequence of US/UK military and corporate warmongering aided and abetted by the EU.It's been in the post for decades now, Western powers have f*cked up Africa and the Middle East for a long time and now their chickens are coming home to roost.

The majority of people I've seen on social media are rightly horrified by all this but what can we really do ? Our EU governments won't even let these people in and even when they do, they are still treated like sh*t - remember Mosney ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This eu is nothing better than modern day Nazi rule .the Germans are ruling the roost what they say goes .their economy is doing ok thanks to the rest of Europe .lts Merkels way or no way .Europe should be doing more for these unfortunate people "

Are you for real? A modern day nazi rule! Ffs read some history.

There are no gas camps, no gold teeth pulling no slavery.

Germany has said they will take in eveyone.

Lets see how you would react if 800000 people arrived in ireland, as they have in germany! And see our heslth system collapse as well as everything else.

Not to mention they have a very different world view, and our society would completly change, to the point we will be the minority.

I have every sympathy and everything that can be done should be done to help, but not at the expence of wht europe has built! We should stablize there own countrys so they do not have to flee in the first place.

Let me put it another was! England invades ireland and we all emergrate to syria and iraq! Humm we we recieve a welcome? Would we get free medical aid? Free place to live when we have contributed 0 to that society! Not to even mention they ar a muslim states and would demand we allow them to build mosques and say its there right, hummm again could we bulid christian churches there? No.

We need to be very very carful! Absoluty we should help and make sure no child starves, and regardless of religion or status hold our hands out and help.

We just need as a westen society to be careful that hand does not get slapped!

Oh now fire away with the raceist answers, were this we ar that! But before you do look into this a bit more as we have done, and be sure we ar wrong with our thaught before you critisise.

We only offer a side of the debate and it does effect us all and will do.

There would be no fab in a muslim europe.

And again we are not anti relogion, we have muslim friends and true muslims are the most peaceful as are all decent humans.

We again just need to be carfull our way of life survives the massive inflix of people who live different lives......let the onslaught of name calling begin

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"It is a sad state of affairs. The unfortunate thing is. We are all to blame. Can any one of us honestly look into the mirror, ask ourselves, "have you done enough?" Then answer yes! I don't think any of us c arean. Until we do as individuals, then this will continue.

Not sure why you think we as people are to blame for this situation ? This migrant problem is the consequence of US/UK military and corporate warmongering aided and abetted by the EU.It's been in the post for decades now, Western powers have f*cked up Africa and the Middle East for a long time and now their chickens are coming home to roost.

The majority of people I've seen on social media are rightly horrified by all this but what can we really do ? Our EU governments won't even let these people in and even when they do, they are still treated like sh*t - remember Mosney ? "

If, as you say, the EU is partly responsible are the people in the EU not responsible? I was under the impression that they elect their governments. You may be right that the majority of people on social media are horified. If that represents the majority of people in a country they don't seem to be electing a government that represents their view. The electors are responsible for that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

THe ignorance in this thread is shocking!

Very few people starving or without access to sanitation or in fear of the safety of their families in Ireland. Poverty sure but on a totally different scale.

The migrants from Syria are the people who can afford it. Many are more educated than most of us here and would probably be beneficial to society in the long run.

That pr*ck Coveney has commited to "talking about" taking in about 300-600 over 2 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ireland takes a certain amount of convention refugees every year. It is only making the news because of the situation in Mediterranean now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wow! This is such a contentious issue... should it really be a topic on a "swingers" site? Come on guys... lets use the site like its meant to be..... fun!!!!"

There are other threads of you want to have fun ! No disrespect and I know where you are coming from but it's good and interesting that so many people are expressing their feelings on this issue - definitely gives Fab more depth imo and gives another dimension to the people posting - imo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not been racist but can we really afford to look after another 1million or so people esp when we cant look after our own here with housing and other stuff i dont think so not at the moment anyway."

We have the means to solve the housing crisis quite easily here. But because corrupt politicians and bankers and developers are all in cahoots, there's no social housing. This keeps house prices and rents artificially inflated which increases the likelihood of more homeless people.

And I think Ireland would only be asked to take on a few thousand migrants (or "people" as they should be named) - it's a sparsely populated country and a wealthy one at that.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As awful as this is and understand from an ex how it effects someone's life so much..I hate pointing out our own country is a bloody mess okay granted not to the point of war. But everyday there are more and more people sleeping on the streets families living out of cars.. All the emergency shelters are gone. Should we not fix our own before saving the world?? "

Totally agree with u there. We should sort out the mess of the people forced onto the streets before bringing in more immigrants who'll more than likely will skip the queue and have accommodation lined up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This eu is nothing better than modern day Nazi rule .the Germans are ruling the roost what they say goes .their economy is doing ok thanks to the rest of Europe .lts Merkels way or no way .Europe should be doing more for these unfortunate people "

What a lot of crap you've just said there lol.

Europe, basically some countries do a lot!

Germany took on already somewhat of 200k people, only Sweden gave shelter for more on a percentage ratio to inhabitants. It's UK, Ireland etc who don't want to. Italy , Greece, Hungary can't anymore...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Right I haven't read all the above comments, too many, been a ex European lorry driver and having many friends still doing cross channel driving all I can say this whole thing is a real pain in the ass for truckers, if and they do get into our trailers or under them and they are found us drivers face a €2000 fine for each immigrant found. If we try and put these off our our trailers we risk getting the fucked kicked out of us. There is big organized crime involved in getting these poor people over to the UK or Ireland, few big court cases going on at the minute both here and the UK. Recent I was offered £1500 per head I could get into the UK (which i turned down). I'll be honest with yous... We use to kick shit out of any we found on our trailers and so did the French police. We use to herd these poor unfortunate people like cowboys chasing cattle. Yes I know we were cunts for doing that. Until.....one Saturday morning in France we climbed into my trailer to beat what we were thinking a share of dirty smelly men of the inside of my trailer.We found a husband and wife with 6 months old twins, I didn't take them into the UK but we did give them food and wished them well. So has long as real criminals are making big money out of these poor souls they will be encouraged to try and get across Europe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yea Tang400 your right foreigners out!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having seen that viral photo of that drowned refugee toddler on FB my heart bleeds for these poor people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you think the anti-human ignorance is bad here you should check out the thread on the main forums.

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By *yrone-fem43Woman
over a year ago

tyrone


"Having seen that viral photo of that drowned refugee toddler on FB my heart bleeds for these poor people"

Aw that just broke my heart the wee critter so sad, have a grandson around that age dos,nt bear thinkin about what the wee mite went threw

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having seen that viral photo of that drowned refugee toddler on FB my heart bleeds for these poor people

Aw that just broke my heart the wee critter so sad, have a grandson around that age dos,nt bear thinkin about what the wee mite went threw "
it's tragic and heartbreaking that the child had to suffer like that. Its just so sad

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By *aterfordDomMan
over a year ago

waterford

Yes it is terrible what is happening all over Europe at the moment.

I have a question..with governments saying we can't cope with sooo many refugees...

How many of us would welcome a refugee family into our home.. let them share our food our water our shelter?

Maybe if we all stood up together as one people and offered this..maybe our planet would be a much better place for ALL of us to live.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes it is terrible what is happening all over Europe at the moment.

I have a question..with governments saying we can't cope with sooo many refugees...

How many of us would welcome a refugee family into our home.. let them share our food our water our shelter?

Maybe if we all stood up together as one people and offered this..maybe our planet would be a much better place for ALL of us to live."

I will agree the reports and stories coming from Mediterranean area are harrowing. But would ypu really consider taking strangers into your home? You could be taking mass murderers who have been released or escaped from prison, Or even Muslim extremists. If someone has no documentation you really have no idea who they are...

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By *aterfordDomMan
over a year ago

waterford


"Yes it is terrible what is happening all over Europe at the moment.

I have a question..with governments saying we can't cope with sooo many refugees...

How many of us would welcome a refugee family into our home.. let them share our food our water our shelter?

Maybe if we all stood up together as one people and offered this..maybe our planet would be a much better place for ALL of us to live.

I will agree the reports and stories coming from Mediterranean area are harrowing. But would ypu really consider taking strangers into your home? You could be taking mass murderers who have been released or escaped from prison, Or even Muslim extremists. If someone has no documentation you really have no idea who they are..."

Yes

I would.

We can't let our fears stop us from doing the right moral thing.

For families first.. then for single women.. then couples. Single men may have to be housed in camps.. but let's look after the most needy first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes it is terrible what is happening all over Europe at the moment.

I have a question..with governments saying we can't cope with sooo many refugees...

How many of us would welcome a refugee family into our home.. let them share our food our water our shelter?

Maybe if we all stood up together as one people and offered this..maybe our planet would be a much better place for ALL of us to live.

I will agree the reports and stories coming from Mediterranean area are harrowing. But would ypu really consider taking strangers into your home? You could be taking mass murderers who have been released or escaped from prison, Or even Muslim extremists. If someone has no documentation you really have no idea who they are...

Yes

I would.

We can't let our fears stop us from doing the right moral thing.

For families first.. then for single women.. then couples. Single men may have to be housed in camps.. but let's look after the most needy first. "

A noble idea, but it will never happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes it is terrible what is happening all over Europe at the moment.

I have a question..with governments saying we can't cope with sooo many refugees...

How many of us would welcome a refugee family into our home.. let them share our food our water our shelter?

Maybe if we all stood up together as one people and offered this..maybe our planet would be a much better place for ALL of us to live.

I will agree the reports and stories coming from Mediterranean area are harrowing. But would ypu really consider taking strangers into your home? You could be taking mass murderers who have been released or escaped from prison, Or even Muslim extremists. If someone has no documentation you really have no idea who they are...

Yes

I would.

We can't let our fears stop us from doing the right moral thing.

For families first.. then for single women.. then couples. Single men may have to be housed in camps.. but let's look after the most needy first.

A noble idea, but it will never happen."

Couldn't we start with doing that for homeless people around ireland first ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes it is terrible what is happening all over Europe at the moment.

I have a question..with governments saying we can't cope with sooo many refugees...

How many of us would welcome a refugee family into our home.. let them share our food our water our shelter?

Maybe if we all stood up together as one people and offered this..maybe our planet would be a much better place for ALL of us to live.

I will agree the reports and stories coming from Mediterranean area are harrowing. But would ypu really consider taking strangers into your home? You could be taking mass murderers who have been released or escaped from prison, Or even Muslim extremists. If someone has no documentation you really have no idea who they are...

Yes

I would.

We can't let our fears stop us from doing the right moral thing.

For families first.. then for single women.. then couples. Single men may have to be housed in camps.. but let's look after the most needy first.

A noble idea, but it will never happen."

Couldn't we start with doing that for homeless people around ireland first ??? And while we are at it open our homes to all in Mosney and any other accomodation that isn't good enough for people.

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By *aterfordDomMan
over a year ago

waterford


"Yes it is terrible what is happening all over Europe at the moment.

I have a question..with governments saying we can't cope with sooo many refugees...

How many of us would welcome a refugee family into our home.. let them share our food our water our shelter?

Maybe if we all stood up together as one people and offered this..maybe our planet would be a much better place for ALL of us to live.

I will agree the reports and stories coming from Mediterranean area are harrowing. But would ypu really consider taking strangers into your home? You could be taking mass murderers who have been released or escaped from prison, Or even Muslim extremists. If someone has no documentation you really have no idea who they are...

Yes

I would.

We can't let our fears stop us from doing the right moral thing.

For families first.. then for single women.. then couples. Single men may have to be housed in camps.. but let's look after the most needy first.

A noble idea, but it will never happen.

Couldn't we start with doing that for homeless people around ireland first ???"

Ur absolutely right... we should help the homeless here...in truth no one here should be homeless..it makes absolutely no sense.

Why can't we do both?

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"Yes it is terrible what is happening all over Europe at the moment.

I have a question..with governments saying we can't cope with sooo many refugees...

How many of us would welcome a refugee family into our home.. let them share our food our water our shelter?

Maybe if we all stood up together as one people and offered this..maybe our planet would be a much better place for ALL of us to live.

I will agree the reports and stories coming from Mediterranean area are harrowing. But would ypu really consider taking strangers into your home? You could be taking mass murderers who have been released or escaped from prison, Or even Muslim extremists. If someone has no documentation you really have no idea who they are...

Yes

I would.

We can't let our fears stop us from doing the right moral thing.

For families first.. then for single women.. then couples. Single men may have to be housed in camps.. but let's look after the most needy first.

A noble idea, but it will never happen.

Couldn't we start with doing that for homeless people around ireland first ???

Ur absolutely right... we should help the homeless here...in truth no one here should be homeless..it makes absolutely no sense.

Why can't we do both?

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We do.

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over a year ago


"Yes it is terrible what is happening all over Europe at the moment.

I have a question..with governments saying we can't cope with sooo many refugees...

How many of us would welcome a refugee family into our home.. let them share our food our water our shelter?

Maybe if we all stood up together as one people and offered this..maybe our planet would be a much better place for ALL of us to live.

I will agree the reports and stories coming from Mediterranean area are harrowing. But would ypu really consider taking strangers into your home? You could be taking mass murderers who have been released or escaped from prison, Or even Muslim extremists. If someone has no documentation you really have no idea who they are...

Yes

I would.

We can't let our fears stop us from doing the right moral thing.

For families first.. then for single women.. then couples. Single men may have to be housed in camps.. but let's look after the most needy first.

A noble idea, but it will never happen.

Couldn't we start with doing that for homeless people around ireland first ???

Ur absolutely right... we should help the homeless here...in truth no one here should be homeless..it makes absolutely no sense.

Why can't we do both?

"

First off, you will always have some homeless people who through addiction and mental illness, simply refuse to engage with existing services. Locking people up for their own good is no longer politically correct.

Secondly, Irish people are among the most generous in the world in terms of donations to international aid.

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over a year ago


"Over the last few days,ive been watching in horror,the pictures on the news of people of all ages,men women children baby's and the elderly walking towards europe from iraq and syria. These people are leaving war zones and looking for a safe haven and don't seem to be getting any help from western goverments...

The same governments that went into those countrys, caused havoc and then left these people to fend for themselves.

Rant over

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Perhaps you should change the wording of your thread title.

Any individual fleeing a war zone or extreme poverty is a refugee not an immigrant.

Some of the comments and lack of factual knowledge on this thread is astounding.

Germany under the leadership of Angela Merkel is the only European Country that has recognised the scale of the situation.

These people are not putting their children on boats then risking their lives so they can enter the UK ect and sign on.

They are trying to save their lives from the ravages of hunger and war.

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over a year ago

Immigrant suggests economic reasons or seeking a change of culture.

These people are fleeing for their lives. They are refugees. Simple as that. I imagine the image of a toddler lying dead on a beach will be a catalyst for a change in the narrative here. Soldierslyung dead on a beach would cause outrage. This was a 3 year old toddler for God sake.

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over a year ago

Was a horrible picture and a terrible reality I actually cried yesterday when I seen it guess the mother in me. Funny feeling it's just the start of it too

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over a year ago


"Was a horrible picture and a terrible reality I actually cried yesterday when I seen it guess the mother in me. Funny feeling it's just the start of it too "
Start? It's being going on for a couple of years now. We need it to end. The entire world should go in and obliterate ISIS.

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over a year ago

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/5-practical-ways-you-can-help-refugees-trying-to-find-safety-in-europe-10482902.html

Just a few ideas for those genuinely interested in easing the plight of the refugees.

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over a year ago


" The entire world should go in and obliterate ISIS. "

It's not as simple as the usual "kill the bogey man" crap. ISIS is an American-funded CIA/MOSSAD set up. Think Al-Qaeda 2.0 The US and Israel always need a "muslim" bogey man to push their imperalist war on terror inc.agenda. NATO are highly responsible for all this too --

http://www.lookleftonline.org/2015/09/refugee-crisis-the-fruits-of-nato-aggression/

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By *eandmrsjones1Couple
over a year ago

Dublin


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That's true however some people did stay behind and fight for the country, though it was a massacre it was sorted in the end. I see these migrants, most of them young men and wonder why they don't stay and fight for there country? Then we have to remember some are also leaving for financial gain."

Maybe there is no side they would want to fight and die for ? They don't like ISIS but maybe they don't fancy dying fighting them to keep Assad in power.

And if you have to leave, it doesn't make much sense to leave and live in a tent on the border in Lebanon or Turkey while this could rage on for another 10 years, it makes far more sense to get to somewhere that you could have the possibility of a good life.

All that said the Germans haven't helped really by throwing the EU rulebook in the bin and encouraging people to make their way to Germany.

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By *xyzptlk088Man
over a year ago

Galway

We as a people will in the future be judged on our actions or non-actions of today,the fact that it takes the image of a dead toddler to stir people into something resembling abhorrence is a testimony to the indifference we have succumbed to as a race. We do not deserve this planet if we let fellow humans suffer while we look the other way citing the usual "oh we need to sort our own problems first" BS. The fact of the matter is this is OUR problem as a race and we need to stand together to fix this or fall apart alone.

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over a year ago

A harrowing photo of someone's baby boy lying dead on a beach is going to stay with everyone for a long time. We could open our homes and our heart to take refugees in. But the truth is we can't afford to take 1000's of men, women & children into Ireland.

These people are going to need a lot more than a roof over their head. Something we can't give to people in Ireland now.

We don't have enough doctors, phycologists, social workers, care workers to deal with the mental and physical wellbeing of anyone here let alone another 1000 people who are certainly going to need it.

Social welfare payments to 1000 more people.

An education system, place's in schools, interpreters.

We have only seen the tip of the ice berg regarding what is happening. What will happen when it is seen that these refugees will be looked after in Europe. 10's of thousands more will follow them.

the only way we can help is making sure that they can return to their own home countries and be safe.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"A harrowing photo of someone's baby boy lying dead on a beach is going to stay with everyone for a long time. We could open our homes and our heart to take refugees in. But the truth is we can't afford to take 1000's of men, women & children into Ireland.

These people are going to need a lot more than a roof over their head. Something we can't give to people in Ireland now.

We don't have enough doctors, phycologists, social workers, care workers to deal with the mental and physical wellbeing of anyone here let alone another 1000 people who are certainly going to need it.

Social welfare payments to 1000 more people.

An education system, place's in schools, interpreters.

We have only seen the tip of the ice berg regarding what is happening. What will happen when it is seen that these refugees will be looked after in Europe. 10's of thousands more will follow them.

the only way we can help is making sure that they can return to their own home countries and be safe.

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"A harrowing photo of someone's baby boy lying dead on a beach is going to stay with everyone for a long time. We could open our homes and our heart to take refugees in. But the truth is we can't afford to take 1000's of men, women & children into Ireland.

These people are going to need a lot more than a roof over their head. Something we can't give to people in Ireland now.

We don't have enough doctors, phycologists, social workers, care workers to deal with the mental and physical wellbeing of anyone here let alone another 1000 people who are certainly going to need it.

Social welfare payments to 1000 more people.

An education system, place's in schools, interpreters.

We have only seen the tip of the ice berg regarding what is happening. What will happen when it is seen that these refugees will be looked after in Europe. 10's of thousands more will follow them.

the only way we can help is making sure that they can return to their own home countries and be safe.

"

We can afford to take baby steps with shelter, food, water and sanitation for 1000 easily.

Whatever way you look at it...psychologists, care workers etc. are first world luxuries that trump basic human needs.

You'll find at least some of the people speak english already and many others could integrate into working easily enough.

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over a year ago


"A harrowing photo of someone's baby boy lying dead on a beach is going to stay with everyone for a long time. We could open our homes and our heart to take refugees in. But the truth is we can't afford to take 1000's of men, women & children into Ireland.

These people are going to need a lot more than a roof over their head. Something we can't give to people in Ireland now.

We don't have enough doctors, phycologists, social workers, care workers to deal with the mental and physical wellbeing of anyone here let alone another 1000 people who are certainly going to need it.

Social welfare payments to 1000 more people.

An education system, place's in schools, interpreters.

We have only seen the tip of the ice berg regarding what is happening. What will happen when it is seen that these refugees will be looked after in Europe. 10's of thousands more will follow them.

the only way we can help is making sure that they can return to their own home countries and be safe.

We can afford to take baby steps with shelter, food, water and sanitation for 1000 easily.

Whatever way you look at it...psychologists, care workers etc. are first world luxuries that trump basic human needs.

You'll find at least some of the people speak english already and many others could integrate into working easily enough.

"

there are millions displaced because of conflict in Syria & surrounding countries. We have only seen a small percentage of people reach Europe. People arrive in the camps every day in their 1000's.

Just say we look after all who have reached Europe, from today. How long will it take for the same amount to reach Europe again? Once it is known that Europe is giving them asylum, it will be twice as fast.

And for what people have gone through, war, ethnic cleansing, living under the brutal regime of a dictator and ISIS there will be mental health issues that need to be looked after

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By *aterfordDomMan
over a year ago

waterford


"Yes it is terrible what is happening all over Europe at the moment.

I have a question..with governments saying we can't cope with sooo many refugees...

How many of us would welcome a refugee family into our home.. let them share our food our water our shelter?

Maybe if we all stood up together as one people and offered this..maybe our planet would be a much better place for ALL of us to live.

I will agree the reports and stories coming from Mediterranean area are harrowing. But would ypu really consider taking strangers into your home? You could be taking mass murderers who have been released or escaped from prison, Or even Muslim extremists. If someone has no documentation you really have no idea who they are...

Yes

I would.

We can't let our fears stop us from doing the right moral thing.

For families first.. then for single women.. then couples. Single men may have to be housed in camps.. but let's look after the most needy first.

A noble idea, but it will never happen.

Couldn't we start with doing that for homeless people around ireland first ???

Ur absolutely right... we should help the homeless here...in truth no one here should be homeless..it makes absolutely no sense.

Why can't we do both?

"

Just seen this....a quote:

We know massive public support can influence politicians -- when the Icelandic government said it would only take 50 asylum seekers earlier this week, 10,000 Icelandic people said they would house them. Now the government is reconsidering their commitment.

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By *aterfordDomMan
over a year ago

waterford

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"Yes it is terrible what is happening all over Europe at the moment.

I have a question..with governments saying we can't cope with sooo many refugees...

How many of us would welcome a refugee family into our home.. let them share our food our water our shelter?

Maybe if we all stood up together as one people and offered this..maybe our planet would be a much better place for ALL of us to live.

I will agree the reports and stories coming from Mediterranean area are harrowing. But would ypu really consider taking strangers into your home? You could be taking mass murderers who have been released or escaped from prison, Or even Muslim extremists. If someone has no documentation you really have no idea who they are...

Yes

I would.

We can't let our fears stop us from doing the right moral thing.

For families first.. then for single women.. then couples. Single men may have to be housed in camps.. but let's look after the most needy first.

A noble idea, but it will never happen.

Couldn't we start with doing that for homeless people around ireland first ???

Ur absolutely right... we should help the homeless here...in truth no one here should be homeless..it makes absolutely no sense.

Why can't we do both?

Just seen this....a quote:

We know massive public support can influence politicians -- when the Icelandic government said it would only take 50 asylum seekers earlier this week, 10,000 Icelandic people said they would house them. Now the government is reconsidering their commitment. "

It's very generous of people. Sad that it needs media coverage for people to offer rather than do it with no coverage for their own homeless countrymen. The cynical side of me thinks how many will still provide housing in 20 years time. It's still generous and I wouldn't be prepared to offer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nikki,

Many homeless will have mental health or addiction issues, of course some are there through pure misfortune but that is the overriding reality of it. If they can't engage with the services available to help them (social welfare/charity support/hse) they mightn't make the best housemates.

I might be totally ignorant in my view on this and I'm open to correction if someone knows the reality a little better?

As an aside....the whole help them or help our own argument is BS. It's is deliberately divisory. Both are attainable.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"Nikki,

Many homeless will have mental health or addiction issues, of course some are there through pure misfortune but that is the overriding reality of it. If they can't engage with the services available to help them (social welfare/charity support/hse) they mightn't make the best housemates.

I might be totally ignorant in my view on this and I'm open to correction if someone knows the reality a little better?

As an aside....the whole help them or help our own argument is BS. It's is deliberately divisory. Both are attainable. "

Would the " lodger" be compelled to stay if the "landlord" wants sexual favours?

Does the "lodger"have the right not to live with a person that has a pet pig?

What happens if the "lodger" wants their own house?

What happens if the "lodger" isn't quite what the "landlord" expected and welches on the deal?

Lots of other scenarios

Does the state pick up the bits or does the asylum seeker go back to Syria?

Nice idea but actually its impractical.

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over a year ago


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Would the " lodger" be compelled to stay if the "landlord" wants sexual favours?

Does the "lodger"have the right not to live with a person that has a pet pig?

What happens if the "lodger" wants their own house?

What happens if the "lodger" isn't quite what the "landlord" expected and welches on the deal?

Lots of other scenarios

Does the state pick up the bits or does the asylum seeker go back to Syria?

Nice idea but actually its impractical. "

* shakes head in wonder *

Seriously these are you genuine concerns as to why anyone opening up their home to a refugee or a refugee family could not or should not work.

Honestly with respect, it appears these were simply plucked out of the air and in truth are an insult to the good people prepared to go the extra mile to help.

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over a year ago

Do you know the risk the west are taken to let these in its a hard call because how do u determin who is a real refugee from a Isis fighter.

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over a year ago

An ISIS fighter with a desire to draw the dole in Ireland....this shit makes me laugh

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over a year ago


"Do you know the risk the west are taken to let these in its a hard call because how do u determin who is a real refugee from a Isis fighter. "

Correct processing as being carried out by the German Federal Agencies.

Many Muslim Extremists enter the West illegaly every year, indeed we only have to look back at how 19 Al Quaeda legaly entered the US then went on to cause 9/11.

This can not be an excuse to help a refugee.

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over a year ago


"An ISIS fighter with a desire to draw the dole in Ireland....this shit makes me laugh

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over a year ago

Just for the craic I'm going to turn the standard anti-humanitarian argument on it's head.

Should we not be looking out for the terrorists in our own country first?

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over a year ago


"Just for the craic I'm going to turn the standard anti-humanitarian argument on it's head.

Should we not be looking out for the terrorists in our own country first?"

Oooh this will be interesting.

Points finger in direction of Counties closest to the Northern Borders!

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over a year ago

It's just tongue in cheek

I know feck all about the troubles really so let's not get into that here

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over a year ago


"It's just tongue in cheek

I know feck all about the troubles really so let's not get into that here"

Mine was to

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"

Would the " lodger" be compelled to stay if the "landlord" wants sexual favours?

Does the "lodger"have the right not to live with a person that has a pet pig?

What happens if the "lodger" wants their own house?

What happens if the "lodger" isn't quite what the "landlord" expected and welches on the deal?

Lots of other scenarios

Does the state pick up the bits or does the asylum seeker go back to Syria?

Nice idea but actually its impractical.

* shakes head in wonder *

Seriously these are you genuine concerns as to why anyone opening up their home to a refugee or a refugee family could not or should not work.

Honestly with respect, it appears these were simply plucked out of the air and in truth are an insult to the good people prepared to go the extra mile to help."

You're right about the ideas being plucked out of the air. Hence why I said lots of other scenarios. I agree that most people are acting out of goodness. There will be a few bad apples. Remember that some Palestinian refugees have been away from their homes for nearly 70 years and this has the potential to be similar. While I don't in anyway doubt the goodwill being shown by people inviting refugees into their homes. The peoples' grandchildren may not feel as generous

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over a year ago

They don't look like they have a bad time where they come from, they look very well dressed and not starving, take the jews back in ww2, now that's that another thing.

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over a year ago

Im too lazy to read all comments...and I know alot people will say Im wrong or whatever! But this is only what I think and everyone can say them opinion!

Sure whats happening is very crazy and bad and governments are shite in every country all over the world! In some comment someone said ''people without any support and aid''..thats true..but why most people dont do charity and not help any way they can?! Are we all racists!? Why don't people who already get away from those war zone countries not help to other peoples where they come from?!

Someone here named countries who should open shelters and take some immigrants.. sure why not!! But what about first take care about own country?!

Country where I from now will take them too...so nice..but though its not fair that they will get perfectly restored homes and apartments and social money around *** while residents will still get **. Kinda same situation like in IRL. Why that poor people drive with last year cars..dress up only on brend clothes?! How many of those people really are ready start new life with goverment help?! Or they just is ready live easy live and dont even try touch them or you will be racist.. Really they are so depress with where they come from?!

So what I wanted say is... maybe reason alot countries don't want help is PEOPLE! There is no perfect countries but some have lots of problems and can't take more new ones.. Im foreign too and I live here more than few years and I can say IRL is my second home(before someone start give out to me) and Im sure a lot of here was once living somewhere else.. but Im sure you go there for work or trying find better life. But not just to get married and all life sit on socials...

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over a year ago


"They don't look like they have a bad time where they come from, they look very well dressed and not starving, take the jews back in ww2, now that's that another thing."

Exactly why people dismissing them as as scrounger economic migrants doesn't make much sense

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over a year ago


"They don't look like they have a bad time where they come from, they look very well dressed and not starving, take the jews back in ww2, now that's that another thing."

1. Living standards have improved since WW2. So it's not surprising that some of them look better dressed. Does a refugee have to look like a famine peasant before they earn our sympathy ? Lots of these people have been wearing the same clothes since they fled their countries some weeks ago. This is why the world is donating warm clothing their way.

2. A lot of them have been eating only 1 small meal a day-and sometimes giving that to their kids - whilst walking huge distances and enduring a nightmarish situation. o they have to be actually at death's door from hunger before they earn our sympathy ?

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over a year ago


"They don't look like they have a bad time where they come from, they look very well dressed and not starving, take the jews back in ww2, now that's that another thing.

1. Living standards have improved since WW2. So it's not surprising that some of them look better dressed. Does a refugee have to look like a famine peasant before they earn our sympathy ? Lots of these people have been wearing the same clothes since they fled their countries some weeks ago. This is why the world is donating warm clothing their way.

2. A lot of them have been eating only 1 small meal a day-and sometimes giving that to their kids - whilst walking huge distances and enduring a nightmarish situation. o they have to be actually at death's door from hunger before they earn our sympathy ?"

You could be describing scenes from ethopia during the famine. People walking to reach camps.

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