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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Bye bye Irish water.I cant see them lasting after lastest figures released only 43 percent payed up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It actually said 43% of their CUSTOMERS. Does that mean just 43% of those that signed up?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Actually im unsure? Very good question. Think the figure was 650,000 houses paid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmmm - can't say I belieeve that

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

No me neither, i think the figure is much lower.

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By *randub69Man
over a year ago

city

"It actually said 43% of their CUSTOMERS. Does that mean just 43% of those that signed up? "

no...43% of those that were due to pay....ha kick in the teeth for enda Kenny.

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By *arkedMan
over a year ago

Trim

I wonder what odds I'd get that there's another change in the law before the New Year? Pretty short I'm thinking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They only made 37 million out of the 67mil they where expecting by by irish water

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone poured concrete into our meter hole...

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Someone poured concrete into our meter hole..."

Lol, someone...

I hope people keep up the protests and won't pay the water charges, the whole Irish water set up stinks to heaven and is all part of a privatisation further down the road!

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By *randub69Man
over a year ago

city

"Someone poured concrete into our meter hole..."

tut tut bloody vandals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Council tax next anyone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Someone poured concrete into our meter hole..."

Is your hole full then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So far 950,000 have boycotted IW. Figures are starting to rise, IW are starting to fall. UNTIL THAT DAY!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have not registered and will not be paying

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By *isdirtygirlWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

"Someone poured concrete into our meter hole..."

Lol im laughing out loud at this!!!

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"So far 950,000 have boycotted IW. Figures are starting to rise, IW are starting to fall. UNTIL THAT DAY!!!"

While the government bullies its way through with legislation, the sneaky privatisation goes on and RTE spreads the governmental spin with tax payers money. But we might buy Irish water back 10years down the road for the triple amount of money...

However there's some hope that the Irish people won't put up with this sheit anymore!

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By *j47Man
over a year ago

limerick

"Council tax next anyone? "

U mean ur not paying it already

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By *osafewordneededMan
over a year ago

City

The government runs RTE and the guy who owns the companies installing the meters own the other tv channel and radio stations and news paper.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"The government runs RTE and the guy who owns the companies installing the meters own the other tv channel and radio stations and news paper.

You forgot to mention that the guy who owns the company installing the water meters got the company trough a dogy deal with IBRC....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are going to the water protest on the 29 august in dublin at 2:00pm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We are going to the water protest on the 29 august in dublin at 2:00pm"

is it going to turn into a fab social then?

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By *osafewordneededMan
over a year ago

City

"The government runs RTE and the guy who owns the companies installing the meters own the other tv channel and radio stations and news paper.

You forgot to mention that the guy who owns the company installing the water meters got the company trough a dogy deal with IBRC...."

I also forgot to say the guy who owns the company flew to new york for a meeting with the taoiseach, after the meeting he bought the company, and after he bought the company it was announced they would be given the contract.

Not that insider trading went on, Im not saying that, but preferential interest rates with insider information would make anyone rich I think.

Also, we are one of the only western democratic countries that I know of that let our leader lie on tv without punishment. With only a side note that what he said was a proven lie.

Thats why obama talks in circles cause if he is caught in an outright lie he loses his job.

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By *urfdudeMan
over a year ago

WEXFORD

People should be protesting about having to pay The USC or property tax not something that costs the average house less than Euro 200 per year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People should be protesting about having to pay The USC or property tax not something that costs the average house less than Euro 200 per year.

We pay USC and property taxes and get nothing for that money, you still have to pay bin charges, property charges, health etc. Protest about someting real is my point, not harassment of water installers, they are doing a job."
agree! We've been paying it for way too long paying for the banks. They're making profit again so why are we still paying it? Time to ask for a refund with interest! Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole thing frustrates the life out of me, I registered as I am renting an apt and if I don't then the landlord can take it out of my rent when I leave (supposedly) but I haven't paid yet, as apartments don't have meters. A girl in work got a bill for €39 and there's 4 of them in a house, I live alone and my bill is also €39. Makes no sense! Will apartments ever be metered? Is everyone in an apartments supposed to make do with made up bills forever?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those stupid fuckers where trying to charge me for waste water I'm not the mains then a phone call ended up talking To a fucker that sounded like kenney the guy hadn't got a clue and tought I had a sepect tank witch are baned fucken tossers that was three months ago and nothing back good luck to them and my door is not painted spanners

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The whole thing frustrates the life out of me, I registered as I am renting an apt and if I don't then the landlord can take it out of my rent when I leave (supposedly) but I haven't paid yet, as apartments don't have meters. A girl in work got a bill for €39 and there's 4 of them in a house, I live alone and my bill is also €39. Makes no sense! Will apartments ever be metered? Is everyone in an apartments supposed to make do with made up bills forever?"
i dont think the landlord can do that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in a 1 bed apt, haven't registered yet, my bill was 64 euro, ain't paid it, my landlord has said that b4 I sign my new lease I have to be registered for the water charge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in a 1 bed apt, haven't registered yet, my bill was 64 euro, ain't paid it, my landlord has said that b4 I sign my new lease I have to be registered for the water charge"

That's a dickhead right there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Last landlord didn't register and there was 3 of us in the apartment. A friend had recently registered for elec Ireland so the water bill came in her name. I split it with her in case they started sending a letter for not paying and didn't want it to affect her credit scores in the future. The other girl didn't want to pay "cause no one else is paying". Don't think she'd have been as chill if it was in her name. I don't have to pay the water in my new place. It's in the lease and all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in a 1 bed apt, haven't registered yet, my bill was 64 euro, ain't paid it, my landlord has said that b4 I sign my new lease I have to be registered for the water charge

That's a dickhead right there. "

I heard they are bringing it into legislation that the landlord can deduct from ur deposit if you haven't paid as the charge stays with the property and not the person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In apartments there's only one meter and the usage is divided down into the apartments as I myself got a bill from a previous apartment for 64 euro and when I rang up too ask why I was being charged so much that's what they told me now I live in 3 bed house and got a bill for 14 euro and the house is not on a meter aswel the hole system is fuked up and I still won't pay them any charges or sign up too them no way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Last landlord didn't register and there was 3 of us in the apartment. A friend had recently registered for elec Ireland so the water bill came in her name. I split it with her in case they started sending a letter for not paying and didn't want it to affect her credit scores in the future. The other girl didn't want to pay "cause no one else is paying". Don't think she'd have been as chill if it was in her name. I don't have to pay the water in my new place. It's in the lease and all

You don't have to pay it? How did you get that included? Cooool!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't have to pay it? How did you get that included? Cooool!!

My first thought was that they probably get something by paying it. Kinda like tax back/tax credits. I could be wrong and they could just be really nice people.

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By *urfdudeMan
over a year ago

WEXFORD

It is not the landlords responsibility, it is up to the user / tenant to register ,get the grant and then pay for the water they use. Any outstanding bills at the end of a lease will be deducted by a landlord from a tenants deposit, This bill will not go away by not paying it.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

I'm in a 1 bed apt, haven't registered yet, my bill was 64 euro, ain't paid it, my landlord has said that b4 I sign my new lease I have to be registered for the water charge

That's a dickhead right there.

I heard they are bringing it into legislation that the landlord can deduct from ur deposit if you haven't paid as the charge stays with the property and not the person"

They rushed that legislation through the daíl last week, it will be implemented somewhen next year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is not the landlords responsibility, it is up to the user / tenant to register ,get the grant and then pay for the water they use. Any outstanding bills at the end of a lease will be deducted by a landlord from a tenants deposit, This bill will not go away by not paying it."
it can not be deducted from a tents deposit it will follow the tenant where ever they go irish water will be gone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are out the front of my house right now putting a meter in. I never paid the dicks or filed out any forms. Looks like you get one either way. If they fix the leaks then I guess it's ok. They had to do something about the water infrastructure in Ireland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You need to clue yourself in to whats going on. .we have always paid water rates..our government s just directed the money somewhere else. .instead of upgrading the system...irish water are led by lying cheating burocrat s..I will rot in the grave before I give them a cent

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By *urfdudeMan
over a year ago

WEXFORD

Why not boycott real bills like property tax or the USC, they are alot larger than the water meter bill ?

We are not getting anything for that money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not boycott real bills like property tax or the USC, they are alot larger than the water meter bill ?

We are not getting anything for that money."
..from a personal point of view. .I understood that when we needed bailing out that ..although I didn't agree with the universal social charge and property tax..I decided that they were a necessary evil. .and sucked it up. ..then we're told that the recession is ..apparently behind us.and there is light at the end of the tunnel. .and along come irish water. The final insult...ovwr my cold still body will I pay it..its a matter of principle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never paid any of those bogus taxes. Not the household charge. That was that dude, just give us 100 euro tax.

Not the septic charge of 150 euro. They blow that out their ass

What was there that I didn't pay? Oh property tax, nope. TV license nope. Paid once about 10 years when dude knock on door and asked if I have a TV license. Didn't know what he was on about because I'm Australian and never of anything as strange as a tv license . So I said no, what do I need a tv licence for? All I do is look at it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not boycott real bills like property tax or the USC, they are alot larger than the water meter bill ?

We are not getting anything for that money...from a personal point of view. .I understood that when we needed bailing out that ..although I didn't agree with the universal social charge and property tax..I decided that they were a necessary evil. .and sucked it up. ..then we're told that the recession is ..apparently behind us.and there is light at the end of the tunnel. .and along come irish water. The final insult...ovwr my cold still body will I pay it..its a matter of principle

I think the whole Irish water thing was and still in a joke. Its the first tax that was introduced and has actually cost the government money. As for the usc that's a complete joke especially since it was meant to a temporary measure five years ago

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By *urfdudeMan
over a year ago

WEXFORD

That is exactly my point, we should be out marching and protesting about the big issues ie USC and property taxes , these are real and expensive taxes that are costing everybody thousands per year, we get nothing in return for this money. This had been used to prop up Anglo , Quinn insurance , Aib etc.The amount we pay to Irish Water is an insignificant amount compared to usc and property taxes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That is exactly my point, we should be out marching and protesting about the big issues ie USC and property taxes , these are real and expensive taxes that are costing everybody thousands per year, we get nothing in return for this money. This had been used to prop up Anglo , Quinn insurance , Aib etc.The amount we pay to Irish Water is an insignificant amount compared to usc and property taxes."
If a certain republican political party had to pay a rent a mob for all those issues, it would break them. It's costing them enough to pay for a lot of the water protesters. Imagine what it would cost them if they had to pay for USC and property tax protests.

And before anyone jumps down my neck, this is true. This party are paying protesters to picket....

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By *ark the manMan
over a year ago

dublin. meath louth areas

The good lady from Irish Water was on the radio a few days ago and she was happy to tell us all that Irish water are fully captilised for 2015 so they can take the hit.

Strange how the Waiting list for families looking for homes or the homeless or the rape crisis centers are not fully captilised by our glorious leaders !

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

This seems to turn into another white elephant like the electronic voting system just on a much more expensive scale and as usual nobody will be held responsible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This seems to turn into another white elephant like the electronic voting system just on a much more expensive scale and as usual nobody will be held responsible. "
We are the ones to hold them responsible. I told our local FG representative that I would vote for independents until a major party was worth voting for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a couple of hundred max

... Totally insignificant compared to other taxes or the amount of your time that you may have wasted complaining about it

Plus the intention is good... To not waste water and energy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We already pay through general taxation and motor tax. Let them reduce both of those and people will consider paying again.

The whole thing was set up for privatization. All to pay off unsecured bond holders.

Phil Hogan threatening to turn people's water down to a trickle. Alan Kelly providing incorrect figures to the public and also resorting to bully boy tactics. Meter installation being awarded to Siteserv when the company didn't exist.

Homelessness at an all time high, health service in total chaos. Both getting worse.

Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labour are all lying bastards who cannot be trusted under any circumstances.

As always in Ireland nobody is held accountable.

Phil Hogan gets a top job in Europe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Homelessness and other HUGE problems... I agree... have nothing to do with water charges

As a nation how much productivity have we lost by wasting 4 years churning this small matter over and over in the press, the Dail and the public consciousness

Get over it

Btw if we followed the lead of our American friends and legalised marijuana, the tax income would easily provide the means to house all homeless people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tell that to the people who are broke. The working poor if you will and the elderly who have been threatened and bullied since 2014. We as a nation are sheep. If we don't stand up for our rights and demand accountability we may as well all move to North Korea.

We supposedly live in a democracy yet the government refuse to side with the people despite 80% of politicians being elected on the promise to abolish water charges.

A few hundred you say. If you are well off which I hope you are then it is not a big hit to you. Unfortunately not everyone is in the same boat.

The bin charges started out small. Look at the price of them now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The people who complain about charges are the sheep... Wound up to a tizzy by the press

You have a roof over your head, food to eat and a smartphone and internet... The world won't end... Life is good

And if things are that bad, remember:

Winners act, losers complain

Use your brain and make a change if you are not happy with current circumstances

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I already pay for water. The government increased the rate of tax to 23% so that we would never have to pay for water. Go and do some research mate. I am a sheep if I pay again. This is set up for privatization. We pay up to 5 times more than Spain for bottled water and it rains here 300 days a year.

You are obviously in the minority with your views. The line needs to be drawn at some stage. We've been rode sideways since the banking crisis. Enough is enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't disagree that we are royally screwed on every level but we all have choices and options

You can either move to Spain for the cheap bottled water or you can get your megaphone out at the expense of your own time, energy and sanity

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Homelessness, the health system and water taxation might not have anything to do with each other at the first glance, but it's the state budget that connects them all together. If you call 850 million (for just installing water meters/setting up a bill system/consultants) nothing, ask for example all those ones who got their allowances cut to look after the elderly or disabled what they think.

Also as another poster pointed out it was/is all set up for privatisation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OK DH but wouldn't we have made more progress as a country if this hadn't been debated to death, the meters just went in 4 years and started to pay for themselves over time

The biggest cost is having to sooth the public consciousness with media campaigns about how water is great etc.... A total shitshow made out of a simple policy by a very vocal minority blocking everything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Homelessness, the health system and water taxation might not have anything to do with each other at the first glance, but it's the state budget that connects them all together. If you call 850 million (for just installing water meters/setting up a bill system/consultants) nothing, ask for example all those ones who got their allowances cut to look after the elderly or disabled what they think.

Also as another poster pointed out it was/is all set up for privatisation. "

100% agree. No transparency whatsoever on Irish Water since day one. Threatened by your own government. The tax payer has contributed up to 1 billion per year for water since 1997. Where has it gone? Has anyone been held accountable? Of course not. This is Ireland.

You simply cannot trust this government or their buddies propping them up.

Democracy my arse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want something to be militant about 13 billion of Apple tax trumps 0.85 billion of meter expenses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OK DH but wouldn't we have made more progress as a country if this hadn't been debated to death, the meters just went in 4 years and started to pay for themselves over time

Maybe if they held a referendum before the installation of meters to ensure that water remained in public ownership and maybe if they didn't threaten to turn water down to a trickle they might have had a slim chance.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and the biggest waste of money in the history of the state. Privatization is the only reason for it.

Offering everyone 100 euro to get onboard. Have you ever heard the likes of it.

Rotten to the core.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you want something to be militant about 13 billion of Apple tax trumps 0.85 billion of meter expenses"

It is the principle of being screwed left right and centre.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The comparison of bin charges is wrong. Start thinking worse like the electric bill. Water saving scheme you reckon? Well the government funds companies who won't pay charges/or pay enough, and also is allowing a cyanide plant to be built in Fermanagh which will poison ponds. Nothing to do with saving water. Its money based. we are been walked all over. I will never pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you not think we would less screwed of we got the apple money and paid our water bill

Property tax is a bigger scam anyway.... Taxed on money that's already been taxed (and probably owes did owe lots of interest on) in return for no service

Water cost about 1 euro per thousand litres to purify

4000000 people all using about 50000 litres plus pumping, network of pipes and administration... Plus stupid campaigns to try keep the likes of yourself quiet

All emotion, no logic in your views

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I think if we have to pay for it we all should have to and not let dose who get everything for nothing get away with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bigger savings to be made cutting social housing fraud

(at least some) people are too lazy to work to put a roof over their heads or feed themselves

Of course some are genuinely in need and should be looked after much better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you not think we would less screwed of we got the apple money and paid our water bill

Property tax is a bigger scam anyway.... Taxed on money that's already been taxed (and probably owes did owe lots of interest on) in return for no service

Water cost about 1 euro per thousand litres to purify

4000000 people all using about 50000 litres plus pumping, network of pipes and administration... Plus stupid campaigns to try keep the likes of yourself quiet

All emotion, no logic in your views

WE ALREADY PAY

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The comparison of bin charges is wrong. Start thinking worse like the electric bill. Water saving scheme you reckon? Well the government funds companies who won't pay charges/or pay enough, and also is allowing a cyanide plant to be built in Fermanagh which will poison ponds. Nothing to do with saving water. Its money based. we are been walked all over. I will never pay"

You don't want to pay for electricity either?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We already pay a lot of things... Water charges are insignificant in comparison and that's the crux of my point but you are so wound up with the idea of paying for a free magic resource that falls from the sky and miraculously appears in your tap that you can't see that it is very small fry

There are other fights.... Usc, vat, car tax, duty on alcohol, so many unfair taxes and you are WHINGING over 160 per year for water that has a natural cost of at least 100 anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Meters are actually great in principle... It gives you the choice to manage your consumption and PAY LESS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was always amazed how pissed off people got about Irish Water, and even the property tax, while completely ignoring USC.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't want to pay for electricity either? "

Have a good read of this short paragraph if you will.

The water was the straw that broke the camel's back. We have had enough of the government's austerity measures to bail out the banks. Same bankers can be heard during the crisis sneering and laughing on tapes released in 2013/14.

Since 1998 we have been paying an extra 2% VAT on purchases plus an extra 5% on motor tax and VRT.

These increases must be yielding of all Irish Waters requirements.

The government must be forced to reduce VAT,Motor Tax and VRT if they insist on bringing in water charges.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what you going to do? Complain harder and give yourself a stroke?

The political system is a joke I agree

We are totally ripped off I agree

You can always emigrate

Zero personal tax in the middle east for example

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't want to pay for electricity either? "

I compared them as that will be the way they are going to structure Irish water. Not on us, probably our kids and grandkids. Can't be allowed. Don't know where you picked up the not wanting to pay for electric.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also bear in mind that there many people worldwide who for the most are VERY HAPPY living on a few dollars a day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what you going to do? Complain harder and give yourself a stroke?

The political system is a joke I agree

We are totally ripped off I agree

You can always emigrate

Zero personal tax in the middle east for example "

People need to stand up to the establishment who represent only the elite. I agree there are far more important issues to protest on but we already pay for water. The government want it both ways.

Next year you will be up €160 thanks to those who protested and refused to pay. €260 if you happen to get married and have two kids before then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also bear in mind that there many people worldwide who for the most are VERY HAPPY living on a few dollars a day "

Some people like to have money to support families, do things and live well after working their bollox off all week every week every year. I don't see your point at all and one reason is, many are not happy living on a few dollars. You're totally uninformed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't want to pay for electricity either?

A lot of paranoid... 'They will probably'...ideas there. Although water will get scarce and expensive until desalination technology gets better....deal with it if it comes to that... live your life until then and relax

You pay your electricity and get on with it and water is the same, either you pay through general taxation or direct billing... It has a cost and you will have to paid directly or indirectly.

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over a year ago

"Also bear in mind that there many people worldwide who for the most are VERY HAPPY living on a few dollars a day "

Yep and they work, pay tax, prsi, usc, property tax and any other tax they bend over and take from their corrupt elite representing government.

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over a year ago

"Also bear in mind that there many people worldwide who for the most are VERY HAPPY living on a few dollars a day

You are missing the point

They live simple stress free lives, don't toil in the rat race and take care of one another as a community

You have more money but lots more to complain about

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over a year ago

You don't want to pay for electricity either?

You pay your electricity and get on with it and water is the same, either you pay through general taxation or direct billing... It has a cost and you will have to paid directly or indirectly. "

History is the best teacher. We will be hit hard. It isn't an "if". Look at every single commodity in this country. Never a price drop. Always rising. That's a fact.

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over a year ago

"Also bear in mind that there many people worldwide who for the most are VERY HAPPY living on a few dollars a day

You are missing the point

They live simple stress free lives, don't toil in the rat race and take care of one another as a community

You have more money but lots more to complain about "

Who the fuck are these people living on a few dollars a day??? That wouldn't pay their water charges

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over a year ago

You don't want to pay for electricity either?

You pay your electricity and get on with it and water is the same, either you pay through general taxation or direct billing... It has a cost and you will have to paid directly or indirectly. "

Water WILL get scarce but not in Ireland. That is why we need a referendum so that water stays in public ownership and is not sold off to a private company. We could be the Saudi Arabia of water in a few years.

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over a year ago

"So what you going to do? Complain harder and give yourself a stroke?

The political system is a joke I agree

We are totally ripped off I agree

You can always emigrate

Zero personal tax in the middle east for example

People need to stand up to the establishment who represent only the elite. I agree there are far more important issues to protest on but we already pay for water. The government want it both ways.

Next year you will be up €160 thanks to those who protested and refused to pay. €260 if you happen to get married and have two kids before then

Here's some advice, don't buy the newspaper or listen to the news for a month... You will feel an awful lot better

Let the 'elite' (Aka hardworking and lucky mostly, privileged some) look after themselves... They probably aren't happy either

I hate listening to complaining from people who don't do anything to improve their situation... There are always options if you are willing to make an effort or take a chance

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over a year ago

You don't want to pay for electricity either?

You pay your electricity and get on with it and water is the same, either you pay through general taxation or direct billing... It has a cost and you will have to paid directly or indirectly.

History is the best teacher. We will be hit hard. It isn't an "if". Look at every single commodity in this country. Never a price drop. Always rising. That's a fact. "

Jesus man... It's called inflation

The same reason wages are higher than when you were a child

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over a year ago

You don't want to pay for electricity either?

You pay your electricity and get on with it and water is the same, either you pay through general taxation or direct billing... It has a cost and you will have to paid directly or indirectly.

Well then you better get going on such a wonderful opportunity

Its falling from the sky and worth a FORTUNE

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over a year ago

You don't want to pay for electricity either?

You pay your electricity and get on with it and water is the same, either you pay through general taxation or direct billing... It has a cost and you will have to paid directly or indirectly.

History is the best teacher. We will be hit hard. It isn't an "if". Look at every single commodity in this country. Never a price drop. Always rising. That's a fact.

Jesus man... It's called inflation

The same reason wages are higher than when you were a child "

Compare the wage inflation against the inflation of the economy. You might be saying Jesus again. Also you sound sheltered and thinking of only yourself, just cos myself and yourself are OK for money, remember the people who work their arse off and cannot put decent food on the table.

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over a year ago

"So what you going to do? Complain harder and give yourself a stroke?

The political system is a joke I agree

We are totally ripped off I agree

You can always emigrate

Zero personal tax in the middle east for example

People need to stand up to the establishment who represent only the elite. I agree there are far more important issues to protest on but we already pay for water. The government want it both ways.

Next year you will be up €160 thanks to those who protested and refused to pay. €260 if you happen to get married and have two kids before then

Here's some advice, don't buy the newspaper or listen to the news for a month... You will feel an awful lot better

Let the 'elite' (Aka hardworking and lucky mostly, privileged some) look after themselves... They probably aren't happy either

I hate listening to complaining from people who don't do anything to improve their situation... There are always options if you are willing to make an effort or take a chance

I've been to every protest. I've travelled to Dublin for every one of them. I've never protest in my life until this. I AM doing something about it.

I don't read the newspaper.

I am totally chilled out mate.

The people have spoken. Water charges are gone and I'm proud of those people.

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over a year ago

You don't want to pay for electricity either?

You pay your electricity and get on with it and water is the same, either you pay through general taxation or direct billing... It has a cost and you will have to paid directly or indirectly.

History is the best teacher. We will be hit hard. It isn't an "if". Look at every single commodity in this country. Never a price drop. Always rising. That's a fact.

Jesus man... It's called inflation

The same reason wages are higher than when you were a child

I agree with you... the people who can't look after themselves should be given more help

But for everyone else, you either deal with the circumstances and do what you can or complain impotently

Have a great weekend lads and if you going to fight the good fight, pick your battles carefully

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over a year ago

A good point on comparative inflation

There is a great Ted talk called the pitchforks are coming about this if you want to look it up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A good point on comparative inflation

There is a great Ted talk called the pitchforks are coming about this if you want to look it up "

No need, I know what I'm talking about

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Look super flash I see where you coming from when you say no resource comes for free and the system has to be maintained, water should be used sensibly etc. and in comparison to other taxes this is a small charge.

BUT This protest was held out of principle, people saying they had enough. And it wasn't just a minority that protested, maybe the figures of people protesting in public doesn't impress you. But if you look at the figure how many actually paid the charge you might think differently. Also Nobody can live without water and privatising it is insane.

Also your arguments of people happy living on a few dollars are happy or who's not happy should leave the country, don't sit on your arse and complain go and work etc etc that all doesn't stack up, it's platitudes that are being thrown around. Many people in this country have endured hardship in the last few years, lost their houses and businesses, emigrated, seen their children emigrating, don't give me that bs of it's their own fault.

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over a year ago

"Look super flash I see where you coming from when you say no resource comes for free and the system has to be maintained, water should be used sensibly etc. and in comparison to other taxes this is a small charge.

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over a year ago

Its not bs

Let me give you an example from dragons den... A man from kerry who lost his house, his business and everything he owned in the recession

He slowly pulled himself up by his fingernails selling homemade sausages at a small market and now has a thriving business and earns a healthy living

He didn't whinge or complain, he made an effort and did something for himself.

The people emigrating are doing what the can as the situation dictates, many are back home now all the better for it. Not sitting on their hands complaining and begrudging others

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over a year ago

Also you can't excuse people from their own financial recklessness in many cases

There all always genuine hard cases and I have a lot of sympathy for those people and wish they could be looked after in a fairer way

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over a year ago

"Also you can't excuse people from their own financial recklessness in many cases

Yet we can excuse and bail out the banks who lent recklessly in all cases.

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over a year ago

I agree with you completely

Every citizen was indebted to the tune of about 14k which conveniently is about the benefit of the Apple money (if rebated in tax cuts to all workers)

But all you lost sheep are busy fighting the wrong battle

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over a year ago

"I agree with you completely

Every citizen was indebted to the tune of about 14k which conveniently is about the benefit of the Apple money (if rebated in tax cuts to all workers)

But all you lost sheep are busy fighting the wrong battle "

You've not taken on board a single thing anyone has said.

1. The Water Charges were the final straw.

2. We already pay for water.

All of this was in motion ever before the Apple issue was brought to light.

Sheep are the people who take on this additional tax saying sure it's just €160. Sheep are the people who pay for water twice. Sheep are the people who continue to believe the lies from Fianna Fail/Fine Gael and finally sheep are those who vote them back in.

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over a year ago

I know what you saying I just fundamentally disagree with it all

The system is the problem, agreed... Voting for the centre right dinosaurs of the day on the promise of a short term plan and zero long term vision

Water protests are fairly trivial and impotent in my view though and you are just blocking the aforementioned dickheads from having the time to do something semi useful

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over a year ago

"I agree with you completely

Every citizen was indebted to the tune of about 14k which conveniently is about the benefit of the Apple money (if rebated in tax cuts to all workers)

But all you lost sheep are busy fighting the wrong battle

You've not taken on board a single thing anyone has said.

1. The Water Charges were the final straw.

2. We already pay for water.

All of this was in motion ever before the Apple issue was brought to light.

His story about the Kerry man though

People went to college to get degrees and had a plan to work in certain fields. Government and banks fuck up, people should just go sell sausages soup or any old job

people who were fucked over tried starting businesses and got nowhere. What about them? What about college fees? What about quality of life? Working at something you want to do? This is a money state and people got fucked, continued to be fucked (don't forget peoples pensions getting taken from them after 30 years of payments) and now adding water charges to peoples homes which taxes were raised to pay (not 2nd homes mind, suits the rich) and companies poisoning water and not paying. You're just a sheltered individual who wasn't affected and expect people to follow your narrow minded views. No empathy for the working man.

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over a year ago

"I know what you saying I just fundamentally disagree with it all

The system is the problem, agreed... Voting for the centre right dinosaurs of the day on the promise of a short term plan and zero long term vision

Water protests are fairly trivial and impotent in my view though and you are just blocking the aforementioned dickheads from having the time to do something semi useful

Water protests have prevented an additional burden on the taxpayer.

The aforementioned dickheads should have done something useful and realise that we live in a democracy, they are elected to represent US. If they listened to US and scrapped this quango they would have time for other more important issues.

In saying that they have had since 2011 to deal with both health and housing. Both of which have gotten progressively worse year on year.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Superflash you seem to have lived a good life so far and hopefully the future will only hold the best for you. However life isn't that black and white as you describe it.

Also you seem to confuse protesting with whinging and speaking out with complaining. Without rebellion, protest and fighting we would be still under English rules.

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over a year ago

"I agree with you completely

Every citizen was indebted to the tune of about 14k which conveniently is about the benefit of the Apple money (if rebated in tax cuts to all workers)

But all you lost sheep are busy fighting the wrong battle

You've not taken on board a single thing anyone has said.

1. The Water Charges were the final straw.

2. We already pay for water.

All of this was in motion ever before the Apple issue was brought to light.

His story about the Kerry man though

People went to college to get degrees and had a plan to work in certain fields. Government and banks fuck up, people should just go sell sausages soup or any old job

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over a year ago

So you are trying to paint me as having a profit before people, pollute and plunder view of the world just because I don't agree with the paranoid, woe is me, can't catch a break style of pessimism

Keep guessing

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over a year ago

"Superflash you seem to have lived a good life so far and hopefully the future will only hold the best for you. However life isn't that black and white as you describe it.

Also you seem to confuse protesting with whinging and speaking out with complaining. Without rebellion, protest and fighting we would be still under English rules. "

I'm all for protest

I'm not for futile protest and I'm not misguided protest

There is a subtle but important difference and it's not at all black and white

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over a year ago

"So you are trying to paint me as having a profit before people, pollute and plunder view of the world just because I don't agree with the paranoid, woe is me, can't catch a break style of pessimism

Keep guessing

Second paranoid reference, everything anyone has said is true. Any fact you've heard that isn't true, say it, and you'll be put firmly in your place again.

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over a year ago

Water protests have prevented an additional burden on the taxpayer.

In saying that they have had since 2011 to deal with both health and housing. Both of which have gotten progressively worse year on year."

There's the small issue of Eu law mandating a water charge... Which rounds nicely back to the earlier point about pollution actually, the policy is designed to preserve natural resources.

We could always leave the Eu but that mightn't have the desired outcome

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over a year ago

Im fairly sure that the protests have cost the taxpayer significantly.... All those 'water is great' ad campaigns, special reports and massive time wasting

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over a year ago

"So you are trying to paint me as having a profit before people, pollute and plunder view of the world just because I don't agree with the paranoid, woe is me, can't catch a break style of pessimism

Keep guessing

I've worked since I finished college in 1994. I hold down a well paid job. Have never been unemployed (one of the lucky few) yet I attended every protest. I even took holidays to attend. I pay my way. Always have, I've felt the brunt of the recession like most people but there comes a time when I said no more. I'm not fucking taking this any longer. This is what separates the issue from many others. People from all walks of life are on board. Not just certain demographics and that is exactly what put the shits up the government.

Your attitude towards this issue appears to me to be one of total snobbery and your warped perception that this protest only involves those who expect everything for free.

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over a year ago

Water protests have prevented an additional burden on the taxpayer.

In saying that they have had since 2011 to deal with both health and housing. Both of which have gotten progressively worse year on year.

There's the small issue of Eu law mandating a water charge... Which rounds nicely back to the earlier point about pollution actually, the policy is designed to preserve natural resources.

We could always leave the Eu but that mightn't have the desired outcome "

There is also what is known as the Irish exemption. You asked me earlier to stop reading newspapers. You have obviously been reading a certain billionaires newspapers or watching the biased government sponsored national broadcaster.

Ireland has no mandate from Europe to introduce water charges. It simply does not exist. All media spin and lies.

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over a year ago

It's not snobbery at all, it's just a different view and you can't go handle having your views challenged because you are used to people agreeing on water charges

If you don't pay you are indirectly taking from those other hard working people who just get on with things.

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over a year ago

I don't read any newspapers actually

I'm not a member of the elite... Or the freemasons or the illuminati either... An ordinary working person like yourself

Can you point me towards this Irish exemption please?

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over a year ago

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By *ccommodating GuyMan
over a year ago

Outside

Actually I couldn't be arsed debating with the troll !!

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Superflash you seem to have lived a good life so far and hopefully the future will only hold the best for you. However life isn't that black and white as you describe it.

Also you seem to confuse protesting with whinging and speaking out with complaining. Without rebellion, protest and fighting we would be still under English rules.

I'm all for protest

I'm not for futile protest and I'm not misguided protest

There is a subtle but important difference and it's not at all black and white "

Water is a human right, when basic citizen rights are impinged on that's when people start protesting.

You can argue what's the point in protesting over a small tax, I'm telling you this one hits everyone, water is existential and symbolic and a protest over a precious existential resource can say much more than a protest over apple not paying their fair share of tax. The protest indicates that people have enough of the corrupt dealings that are going on in this country and that includes the likes of apple too.

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over a year ago

"Superflash you seem to have lived a good life so far and hopefully the future will only hold the best for you. However life isn't that black and white as you describe it.

Also you seem to confuse protesting with whinging and speaking out with complaining. Without rebellion, protest and fighting we would be still under English rules. "

Well in away we are under German rule now

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over a year ago

If you don't pay you are indirectly taking from those other hard working people who just get on with things. "

Since 1998 I've paid 2% extra VAT on purchases plus 5% extra on both motor tax and VRT towards water.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Actually I couldn't be arsed debating with the troll !!"

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over a year ago

"Superflash you seem to have lived a good life so far and hopefully the future will only hold the best for you. However life isn't that black and white as you describe it.

Also you seem to confuse protesting with whinging and speaking out with complaining. Without rebellion, protest and fighting we would be still under English rules.

I'm all for protest

I'm not for futile protest and I'm not misguided protest

There is a subtle but important difference and it's not at all black and white

Water is a human right, when basic citizen rights are impinged on that's when people start protesting.

OK but so is food

Where is the protest about VAT on vegetable?

Its all emotion driven... That's the very problem. A trivial charge made highly emotive because it's seen as a human right and falls from the sky (more than we want it to)

Everyone has the right to carry a bucket down to the local stream if they want but if you want it delivered to your tap there is a cost involved and without a cost barrier to taper behaviour people are very wasteful

The European studies show this works very well

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over a year ago

If you don't pay you are indirectly taking from those other hard working people who just get on with things.

Since 1998 I've paid 2% extra VAT on purchases plus 5% extra on both motor tax and VRT towards water."

I've no idea about the tax regime then.... Was it future payment for your 2016 water

It has a cost, the cost must be paid from the tax base in some shape or form so it's a pointless argument

There are loads of stupid taxes

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over a year ago

Can you point me towards this Irish exemption please? "

It is found in article 9.4 of the water framework directive.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Superflash you seem to have lived a good life so far and hopefully the future will only hold the best for you. However life isn't that black and white as you describe it.

Also you seem to confuse protesting with whinging and speaking out with complaining. Without rebellion, protest and fighting we would be still under English rules.

I'm all for protest

I'm not for futile protest and I'm not misguided protest

There is a subtle but important difference and it's not at all black and white

Water is a human right, when basic citizen rights are impinged on that's when people start protesting.

Also do you think it would have any impact on the government to change their mind if we all stop buying apple products? But people refusing to pay the water charge did and every citizen in this country had the choice and chance to express their dislike over the dealings going on in this country by not paying the water charge and many many did so including

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've all made our point and can agree to differ

You are free to protest, I'm free to focus my energy elsewhere... Which shouldn't be on this damn forum

Have a good night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you don't pay you are indirectly taking from those other hard working people who just get on with things.

Since 1998 I've paid 2% extra VAT on purchases plus 5% extra on both motor tax and VRT towards water.

I've no idea about the tax regime then.... Was it future payment for your 2016 water

It has a cost, the cost must be paid from the tax base in some shape or form so it's a pointless argument

There are loads of stupid taxes"

The stupid argument is yours as you clearly do not know the facts.

The increase to VAT, motor tax and VRT in 1998 was to pay for water.

They also tried to bring this in during the early 90's with the bin charges but it was shot down by people power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We've all made our point and can agree to differ

You are free to protest, I'm free to focus my energy elsewhere... Which shouldn't be on this damn forum

Have a good night "

Ditto.

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By *exmark12Man
over a year ago

Rathcoole/Roscommon/Mayo

Not the place for a debate on this subject.Makes me mad.Who will pay for Water now.Me and many more who pay for everything.Some want to pay for nothing.I and many more in rural Ireland have to pay our own.It's much more than most who won't pay in 20 years but has to be paid y year.Rant over.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

There's no vat on vegetables

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not the place for a debate on this subject.Makes me mad.Who will pay for Water now.Me and many more who pay for everything.Some want to pay for nothing.I and many more in rural Ireland have to pay our own.It's much more than most who won't pay in 20 years but has to be paid y year.Rant over."

You made a choice to live in rural Ireland. You could have spent more money for a similar house in the city and be connected to the mains.

Pros and cons mate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no vat on vegetables

He's a ridiculous character. Actually is illegal to collect "flowing",rainwater. Just uninformed. Won't be replying to any more of his stupid posts. Illuminati and all he says

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By *exmark12Man
over a year ago

Rathcoole/Roscommon/Mayo

U are smart person.How does the water get from Wicklow To your tap d the u flush your loo Who pays for it to move The pipes and pumps and treatment centres run on air.Think Think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ha I'll stand corrected so on the aubergines

You know what I meant... Food... Calories.. Nutrition... have taxes

It's more ridiculous to cry out of a reasonable debate with name calling

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over a year ago

"U are smart person.How does the water get from Wicklow To your tap d the u flush your loo Who pays for it to move The pipes and pumps and treatment centres run on air.Think Think."

Apologies, I did not mean any offense.

If you live in rural Ireland chances are you are on a group water scheme for which you have always paid for.

If you live in the city you don't.

One of the reasons most homes are cheaper outside of the cities.

That is a fact.

You chose to live in rural Ireland.

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over a year ago

"U are smart person.How does the water get from Wicklow To your tap d the u flush your loo Who pays for it to move The pipes and pumps and treatment centres run on air.Think Think."

You and I do while the protesters don't or didn't (whatever the current state of affairs)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ha I'll stand corrected so on the aubergines

You know what I meant... Food... Calories.. Nutrition... have taxes

It's more ridiculous to cry out of a reasonable debate with name calling "

Well don't lump water protesters in with illumati and paranoid conspiracies then

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"U are smart person.How does the water get from Wicklow To your tap d the u flush your loo Who pays for it to move The pipes and pumps and treatment centres run on air.Think Think."

We will all pay for it eventually in one way or the other. That's not the point. The point is that people had enough and expressed it. It hopefully will make the government think and watch their steps in future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of the reasons most homes are cheaper outside of the cities.

This is a lack of perception on what actually matters.

Group water schemes are definitely one of the lowest factors in house pricing difference between rural and city

Just like water charges are a tiny factor in the tax take

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dh you are saying that the facts don't matter, only anger.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Group water schemes are definitely one of the lowest factors in house pricing difference between rural and city"

You agree it is a factor though.

Thanks for that.

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Ha I'll stand corrected so on the aubergines

You know what I meant... Food... Calories.. Nutrition... have taxes

It's more ridiculous to cry out of a reasonable debate with name calling "

Only luxury food comes with vat, no vat on day to day food btw bottled water is a luxury and has vat. The irony of it, i can't drink the tap water, it's disgusting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I probably should have tagged on 'if even'

Anyway we are like two dogs with one bone

I've made my point. Good luck and it was a pleasure chatting

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over a year ago

"I probably should have tagged on 'if even'

Anyway we are like two dogs with one bone

I've made my point. Good luck and it was a pleasure chatting "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On a side note I'm sad about that VAT on food revelation

It doesn't help explain why junk food is cheap and real food is expensive

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

"Dh you are saying that the facts don't matter, only anger..... "

No, it's not only anger, what you don't get that people protested because that last tax broke the camels back, saying enough is enough and because of the looming privatisation.

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By *exmark12Man
over a year ago

Rathcoole/Roscommon/Mayo

No its because I was born there.Didn't choose.If everybody paid their share we would have a proper service.

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over a year ago

"Dh you are saying that the facts don't matter, only anger.....

No, it's not only anger, what you don't get that people protested because that last tax broke the camels back, saying enough is enough and because of the looming privatisation. "

It was the way they went about it.

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By *eanontiWoman
over a year ago

Limerick

"Ha I'll stand corrected so on the aubergines

You know what I meant... Food... Calories.. Nutrition... have taxes

It's more ridiculous to cry out of a reasonable debate with name calling

Only luxury food comes with vat, no vat on day to day food btw bottled water is a luxury and has vat. The irony of it, i can't drink the tap water, it's disgusting

Don't forget loo roll is considered a luxury item too..Stock up on the old newspapers!!!

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By *ehallMan
over a year ago

dublin 24

Pity they didnt pore it in Kenny and noonans hole the liars they conned the electors back in 2011 and rabbit admitted it on live TV I didn't pay the household service charge or the water tax I'd no choice but to pay the property tax shower of fcukin wasters

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