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"I'll be voting yes. But I don't think this is something you should be asking. It's private for a reason. Did nobody ever tell you that it's a bad idea to talk religion or politics to anybody. xx" I was always told to listen to my elders in life  | |||
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"Defo YES...." This obviously has not hit the news in Scotland - what's this referendum about? | |||
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"Defo YES.... This obviously has not hit the news in Scotland - what's this referendum about?" ....its nothing to do with scotish independence....we wont be bought by tories | |||
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"Defo YES.... This obviously has not hit the news in Scotland - what's this referendum about? ....its nothing to do with scotish independence....we wont be bought by tories"  oops you did it again!  | |||
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"Defo YES.... This obviously has not hit the news in Scotland - what's this referendum about? ....its nothing to do with scotish independence....we wont be bought by tories oops you did it again! "only a matter of time ...tá an doaine phoblact na hAlaba marabh  | |||
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"Defo YES.... This obviously has not hit the news in Scotland - what's this referendum about? ....its nothing to do with scotish independence....we wont be bought by tories" Yeah we're rebels we are...now wheres that pesky water bill | |||
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"Defo YES.... This obviously has not hit the news in Scotland - what's this referendum about? ....its nothing to do with scotish independence....we wont be bought by tories Yeah we're rebels we are...now wheres that pesky water bill" | |||
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"Defo YES.... This obviously has not hit the news in Scotland - what's this referendum about? ....its nothing to do with scotish independence....we wont be bought by tories oops you did it again! only a matter of time
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"I'll be voting yes simply for the fact that gay divorce will be hilerious and it's the right thing to do"Divorce isn't funny, gay or otherwise 
I'll be voting yes though, and glad to see the majority of people are too, proud to be irish if this goes through 
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"I'll be voting yes simply for the fact that gay divorce will be hilerious and it's the right thing to do
Divorce isn't funny, gay or otherwise
I'll be voting yes though, and glad to see the majority of people are too, proud to be irish if this goes through
as for presidents age, there's no 21 year old that should be trusted with international relations 35 is steep but lower it to 27/28, not 21 "The divorce line was a joke. On seriousness we're the first country in the world to hold a vote on this subject what message does it send internationally if we vote no. | |||
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"I'll be voting yes simply for the fact that gay divorce will be hilerious and it's the right thing to do
Divorce isn't funny, gay or otherwise
I'll be voting yes though, and glad to see the majority of people are too, proud to be irish if this goes through
as for presidents age, there's no 21 year old that should be trusted with international relations 35 is steep but lower it to 27/28, not 21
The divorce line was a joke. On seriousness we're the first country in the world to hold a vote on this subject what message does it send internationally if we vote no."Same as it sends if we vote yes, that we like democracy? | |||
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"I'll be voting yes simply for the fact that gay divorce will be hilerious and it's the right thing to do
Divorce isn't funny, gay or otherwise
I'll be voting yes though, and glad to see the majority of people are too, proud to be irish if this goes through
as for presidents age, there's no 21 year old that should be trusted with international relations 35 is steep but lower it to 27/28, not 21
The divorce line was a joke. On seriousness we're the first country in the world to hold a vote on this subject what message does it send internationally if we vote no.
Same as it sends if we vote yes, that we like democracy? "A win for the NO campaign will just make the irish look like intolerant gay haters.. that being said I really don't see it happening, as a whole I see us as very accepting people | |||
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"I'll be voting yes simply for the fact that gay divorce will be hilerious and it's the right thing to do
Divorce isn't funny, gay or otherwise
I'll be voting yes though, and glad to see the majority of people are too, proud to be irish if this goes through
as for presidents age, there's no 21 year old that should be trusted with international relations 35 is steep but lower it to 27/28, not 21
The divorce line was a joke. On seriousness we're the first country in the world to hold a vote on this subject what message does it send internationally if we vote no.
Same as it sends if we vote yes, that we like democracy?
A win for the NO campaign will just make the irish look like intolerant gay haters..
that being said I really don't see it happening, as a whole I see us as very accepting people "Hold on a second, voting no doesn't mean people are "gay haters". If you went to most people's doors giving them that as the reason why they should vote yes you'd do the no side a huge favour. | |||
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"I wont be voting." Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else but did you not already express a fairly strong opinion on the whole subject?
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"I wont be voting. Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else but did you not already express a fairly strong opinion on the whole subject?
"I did, i think marriage should be removed from all laws, not made stronger. Thats not gonna happen so why bother vote. | |||
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"I wont be voting. Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else but did you not already express a fairly strong opinion on the whole subject?
I did, i think marriage should be removed from all laws, not made stronger. Thats not gonna happen so why bother vote."Because you have empathy? | |||
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"I'm voting yes simply because I have a live and let live philosophy. I also don't feel that redefining the meaning of the word marriage in the constitution undermines or demeans my marriage, or anyone else's, in any way. As for the presidential age, if a 21 year old can convince enough people to nominate them in the first place, and remember you can't just decide you're running for election, and if they can convince possibly a million and a half people to vote for them well they're good enough for me! " Like John, or Edward from Jedward? | |||
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"I'm voting yes simply because I have a live and let live philosophy. I also don't feel that redefining the meaning of the word marriage in the constitution undermines or demeans my marriage, or anyone else's, in any way. As for the presidential age, if a 21 year old can convince enough people to nominate them in the first place, and remember you can't just decide you're running for election, and if they can convince possibly a million and a half people to vote for them well they're good enough for me! Like John, or Edward from Jedward?" Even them. Remember the vast majority of their fan base are ten years too young to vote. | |||
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"I'm voting yes simply because I have a live and let live philosophy. I also don't feel that redefining the meaning of the word marriage in the constitution undermines or demeans my marriage, or anyone else's, in any way. As for the presidential age, if a 21 year old can convince enough people to nominate them in the first place, and remember you can't just decide you're running for election, and if they can convince possibly a million and a half people to vote for them well they're good enough for me! Like John, or Edward from Jedward? Even them. Remember the vast majority of their fan base are ten years too young to vote. " Just remember, we sent a puppet to the Eurovision song contest 
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"I'm voting yes simply because I have a live and let live philosophy. I also don't feel that redefining the meaning of the word marriage in the constitution undermines or demeans my marriage, or anyone else's, in any way. As for the presidential age, if a 21 year old can convince enough people to nominate them in the first place, and remember you can't just decide you're running for election, and if they can convince possibly a million and a half people to vote for them well they're good enough for me! Like John, or Edward from Jedward? Even them. Remember the vast majority of their fan base are ten years too young to vote. Just remember, we sent a puppet to the Eurovision song contest
& still cheered for it..."He didn't need 4 County councils or twenty members of the Oireachtas to nominate him though. That makes it a slightly different matter. | |||
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"I'm voting yes simply because I have a live and let live philosophy. I also don't feel that redefining the meaning of the word marriage in the constitution undermines or demeans my marriage, or anyone else's, in any way. As for the presidential age, if a 21 year old can convince enough people to nominate them in the first place, and remember you can't just decide you're running for election, and if they can convince possibly a million and a half people to vote for them well they're good enough for me! Like John, or Edward from Jedward? Even them. Remember the vast majority of their fan base are ten years too young to vote. Just remember, we sent a puppet to the Eurovision song contest
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He didn't need 4 County councils or twenty members of the Oireachtas to nominate him though. That makes it a slightly different matter. "...and there's no age limit that I know of when it comes to voting in a song contest. | |||
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"I'm voting yes simply because I have a live and let live philosophy. I also don't feel that redefining the meaning of the word marriage in the constitution undermines or demeans my marriage, or anyone else's, in any way. As for the presidential age, if a 21 year old can convince enough people to nominate them in the first place, and remember you can't just decide you're running for election, and if they can convince possibly a million and a half people to vote for them well they're good enough for me! Like John, or Edward from Jedward? Even them. Remember the vast majority of their fan base are ten years too young to vote. Just remember, we sent a puppet to the Eurovision song contest
& still cheered for it...
He didn't need 4 County councils or twenty members of the Oireachtas to nominate him though. That makes it a slightly different matter. "Ah, Never thought of that.  | |||
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"I wont be voting. Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else but did you not already express a fairly strong opinion on the whole subject?
I did, i think marriage should be removed from all laws, not made stronger. Thats not gonna happen so why bother vote.
Because you have empathy?"What way would empathy make me vote? | |||
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"Imagine going into Insomnia or Cafe Nero and standing in the queue and then getting completely appalled and angry when the stranger in front of you orders something different to you. Sounds pretty illogical and idiotic, doesn't it? I mean, why on earth would you care what someone else gets when it in no way affects you?! And that ladies and gentlemen, is exactly the problem with the whole 'Marriage Referendum' debate. " | |||
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"I'll be voting no. I don't think a 21 year old should be President. " Do you honestly think a 21 year old will be elected president??? | |||
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"If your child grows up to be gay can you look them in the eye and say "I voted so you can't get married" I'm not gonna lecture you on what you should or shouldn't do....but what impact is same sex marriage gonna have on YOUR life" Well like all votes, you should be voting with more than just your own personal situation in mind...you should be thinking of the country and society as a whole, be it a general election or a referendum of some type | |||
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"If your child grows up to be gay can you look them in the eye and say "I voted so you can't get married" I'm not gonna lecture you on what you should or shouldn't do....but what impact is same sex marriage gonna have on YOUR life Well like all votes, you should be voting with more than just your own personal situation in mind...you should be thinking of the country and society as a whole, be it a general election or a referendum of some type" With respect to you sir, I appreciate you are contributing here with honourable intentions. However, I disagree with you. People will miss work, drive across the country, stand in long lines or slog through harsh weather, knowing all the while that the chances your individual vote will make a difference among the thousands, or millions cast, are pretty much zero. If we look at it in those terms alone it looks irrational, right? Voting is like playing the Lotto, you're contribution may benefit sports etc., but you're really playing to win the prize. Ireland is a great country, and we're great because people from so many different backgrounds can and do participate. That greatness is at risk when significant groups, in significant numbers, don't participate as they could, or believe they are voting for society. A vote is personal. Its important that we all know that. | |||
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"If your child grows up to be gay can you look them in the eye and say "I voted so you can't get married" I'm not gonna lecture you on what you should or shouldn't do....but what impact is same sex marriage gonna have on YOUR life Well like all votes, you should be voting with more than just your own personal situation in mind...you should be thinking of the country and society as a whole, be it a general election or a referendum of some type" The joy of democracy is that it doesn't matter why you vote, it only matters that you do vote and that you realise that your vote matters and will make a difference. | |||
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"Don't think the presidential age is a big deal not like they do much should be it scrapped if anything could think of a few more important things to hold a referendum on to be honest" Exactly my point... Our government is just throwing referendums at us like throwing crumbs to the crows... just to keep us happy...make us feel we have a say in anything important.. only the things the government allows us to have a say in. There is no democracy in this country! Or any other. | |||
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"Don't think the presidential age is a big deal not like they do much should be it scrapped if anything could think of a few more important things to hold a referendum on to be honest Exactly my point... Our government is just throwing referendums at us like throwing crumbs to the crows... just to keep us happy...make us feel we have a say in anything important.. only the things the government allows us to have a say in. There is no democracy in this country! Or any other." Did you miss the whole general election thing? It happens every five years and it gives you a chance to fire all those people you don't like, as long as you can get enough people to support you. It also gives you a chance to elect some of those ordinary people you mention, as long as you can convince them to stand for election. You could always stand yourself and see how that goes? The problem is that when some of these "ordinary" people get elected they'll suddenly be part of the establishment in your eyes and we'll be back to square one again. By the way, this ccoalition government had huge electoral support just over four years ago. That's democracy for ya! | |||
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" There is no democracy in this country! Or any other." Hello? Are you living on planet earth? | |||
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"Don't think the presidential age is a big deal not like they do much should be it scrapped if anything could think of a few more important things to hold a referendum on to be honest Exactly my point... Our government is just throwing referendums at us like throwing crumbs to the crows... just to keep us happy...make us feel we have a say in anything important.. only the things the government allows us to have a say in. There is no democracy in this country! Or any other. Did you miss the whole general election thing? It happens every five years and it gives you a chance to fire all those people you don't like, as long as you can get enough people to support you. It also gives you a chance to elect some of those ordinary people you mention, as long as you can convince them to stand for election. You could always stand yourself and see how that goes? The problem is that when some of these "ordinary" people get elected they'll suddenly be part of the establishment in your eyes and we'll be back to square one again. By the way, this ccoalition government had huge electoral support just over four years ago. That's democracy for ya! " | |||
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"I want to vote yes - but still not persuaded. I don't get the bit that a yes vote is necessary for same sex couples to be happy. Happiness in a relationship come from the quality of their bond, marriage is just a social tag and perhaps a signal to the outside world. The other problem I have is I believe a woman , a man and potential to have kids is the fundamental unit on which society is built. And the formation of that unit is normally through marriage. I have no issue with same sex relationships or same sex families - but it is not marriage and don't think the term marriage should be hijacked. I am fairly liberal and detest organisations like Iona so am having some difficulty with my position. Just don't see a big enough reason to vote yes. This is probably the equivalent of " suicide by cop " on here but so be it. There is a bit to go yet - 60:40 at present - must read up some more. Robbie put yourself in my shoes for a minute. If you were in an mm relationship would you want the right to marry or would you want your Country to tell you that your relationship didn't equal that of a heterosexual couple and your relationship was going to be denied equal status. In a secular society where divorce and remarriage is provided for in the Constitution is it not discriminatory to deny the mm couple the right to marry the partner of their choice. A lot of the NO arguments were previously advanced during the Divorce referendum some years ago...and not surprisingly the sky has not fallen in since the divorce referendum was passed. Marriages in Ireland are at an all time high including second marriages for divorcees who once found themselves on the fringes of society. Marriage is important to today's youth in the gay community because it will mean that they are as 'good as you'. They need to know that they are valued by society and that their love is equal. I would ask you to remember you know you are gay from puberty from 12 years of age or so and many children spend their teenage years in isolation and fear of being found out. And you may ask why? Well for a lot of youngsters it's due to the fact they know that society at least historically has not valued the gay relationship the same as the relationships of their heterosexual friends. Marriage is not being hijaxed by the gay community. We asking if not begging to be given the same right as you...a right which you may take for granted...a right which will mean we are equal...a right which will mean that tomorrow's gay youth will know that their relationships are valued...and most of all it will mean acceptance GOOD AS YOU. Please give Ireland's GAY youth a positive message of acceptance on 22 May! " | |||
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"I want to vote yes - but still not persuaded. I don't get the bit that a yes vote is necessary for same sex couples to be happy. Happiness in a relationship come from the quality of their bond, marriage is just a social tag and perhaps a signal to the outside world. The other problem I have is I believe a woman , a man and potential to have kids is the fundamental unit on which society is built. And the formation of that unit is normally through marriage. I have no issue with same sex relationships or same sex families - but it is not marriage and don't think the term marriage should be hijacked. I am fairly liberal and detest organisations like Iona so am having some difficulty with my position. Just don't see a big enough reason to vote yes. This is probably the equivalent of " suicide by cop " on here but so be it. There is a bit to go yet - 60:40 at present - must read up some more. " I don't think anyone is arguing that same sex marriage is needed for gay couples to be married anymore than it is for heterosexual couples to be happy. . Is the definition of the word marriage all that important? Not too me it's not. We've redefined many things over the years so why not this. It was probably more fundamentally redefined when divorce was introduced than it would be by this. Pre the existence of divorce, marriage was for life, full stop. That's not the case anymore. . Will this affect your marriage or anyone else's marriage if it's passed? Will it demean your marriage or anyone else's? I don't think so. . It may serve to lessen the stigma around being gay though which just might mean that discriminatory attitudes to gay people eventually die out which would be no bad thing. Redefining of the word would be a small price to pay in that case. | |||
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"I want to vote yes - but still not persuaded. I don't get the bit that a yes vote is necessary for same sex couples to be happy. Happiness in a relationship come from the quality of their bond, marriage is just a social tag and perhaps a signal to the outside world. The other problem I have is I believe a woman , a man and potential to have kids is the fundamental unit on which society is built. And the formation of that unit is normally through marriage. I have no issue with same sex relationships or same sex families - but it is not marriage and don't think the term marriage should be hijacked. I am fairly liberal and detest organisations like Iona so am having some difficulty with my position. Just don't see a big enough reason to vote yes. This is probably the equivalent of " suicide by cop " on here but so be it. There is a bit to go yet - 60:40 at present - must read up some more. " I think you have made a very interesting post. You are not alone in how you think. I've considered the same issues myself. I've mulled over most of the reasoning for both sides, I‘ve considered were this referendum may take us down the road, I've considered many issues such as future sex education in schools, adoption, surrogacy, etc. what will the next generation think. These are all part of the mind mapping any rational person will process when asked to contribute to the decision next Friday. You mention you are worried about “Marriage”, the referendum really challenged me to get to learn more about what we are being asked. I personally found a good starting point was a refreshing catch up on what the meaning and definition of marriage is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage Marriage means many things to many people, depending on upbringing and culture. Marriage is a simple legal union that can be engaged in for many reasons, be it emotional, spiritual, financial, pre arranged, polygamy, and forced. You also worried about what this means to families and children. That is a valid concern to have. Obviously a Yes decision will be the starting point in a bigger wheel slowly being turned. We don't have the answers to all the questions in front of us today, in particular to the question of children, It’s reasonable to assume there will be more work done if the Yes vote goes through. All the other issues will be dealt with, one step at a time as we move forward with time. But that’s a discussion in which we all will have a chance to contribute to in the future. That’s not what we are dealing with now. If a No vote goes through the reality is that some people will be left out of our society, and I’ve no doubt it will be back before us in the very near future. All that said, that’s not what you are being asked to decide on right now. All we are being asked right now is for this ammendment to our constitution: “Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction as to their sex” We are just taking baby steps right now. This is evolution, not a revolution. | |||
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"Tiger- I am not saying homosexual love is not equal or a homosexual relationship is not as good - I am saying it is not the same. Thanks for your response and good luck. " How is it not the same ? | |||
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"I want to vote yes - but still not persuaded. I don't get the bit that a yes vote is necessary for same sex couples to be happy. Happiness in a relationship come from the quality of their bond, marriage is just a social tag and perhaps a signal to the outside world. The other problem I have is I believe a woman , a man and potential to have kids is the fundamental unit on which society is built. And the formation of that unit is normally through marriage. I have no issue with same sex relationships or same sex families - but it is not marriage and don't think the term marriage should be hijacked. I am fairly liberal and detest organisations like Iona so am having some difficulty with my position. Just don't see a big enough reason to vote yes. This is probably the equivalent of " suicide by cop " on here but so be it. There is a bit to go yet - 60:40 at present - must read up some more. I don't think anyone is arguing that same sex marriage is needed for gay couples to be married anymore than it is for heterosexual couples to be happy. It is an arguement I have heard - "why do you not want us to be happy ?" . Is the definition of the word marriage all that important? Not too me it's not. We've redefined many things over the years so why not this. It was probably more fundamentally redefined when divorce was introduced than it would be by this. Pre the existence of divorce, marriage was for life, full stop. That's not the case anymore. . Will this affect your marriage or anyone else's marriage if it's passed? Will it demean your marriage or anyone else's? I don't think so. I think the common good of society is best served by a No vote - It may serve to lessen the stigma around being gay though which just might mean that discriminatory attitudes to gay people eventually die out which would be no bad thing. Redefining of the word would be a small price to pay in that case. " Fair point. | |||
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"Tiger- I am not saying homosexual love is not equal or a homosexual relationship is not as good - I am saying it is not the same. Thanks for your response and good luck. How is it not the same ?" While I am sure both kinds of relationships are based on love - one of the purposes of a heterosexual marriage is to create future generations at a primal level. | |||
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"I want to vote yes - but still not persuaded. I don't get the bit that a yes vote is necessary for same sex couples to be happy. Happiness in a relationship come from the quality of their bond, marriage is just a social tag and perhaps a signal to the outside world. The other problem I have is I believe a woman , a man and potential to have kids is the fundamental unit on which society is built. And the formation of that unit is normally through marriage. I have no issue with same sex relationships or same sex families - but it is not marriage and don't think the term marriage should be hijacked. I am fairly liberal and detest organisations like Iona so am having some difficulty with my position. Just don't see a big enough reason to vote yes. This is probably the equivalent of " suicide by cop " on here but so be it. There is a bit to go yet - 60:40 at present - must read up some more. I don't think anyone is arguing that same sex marriage is needed for gay couples to be married anymore than it is for heterosexual couples to be happy. It is an arguement I have heard - "why do you not want us to be happy ?" . Is the definition of the word marriage all that important? Not too me it's not. We've redefined many things over the years so why not this. It was probably more fundamentally redefined when divorce was introduced than it would be by this. Pre the existence of divorce, marriage was for life, full stop. That's not the case anymore. . Will this affect your marriage or anyone else's marriage if it's passed? Will it demean your marriage or anyone else's? I don't think so. I think the common good of society is best served by a No vote - It may serve to lessen the stigma around being gay though which just might mean that discriminatory attitudes to gay people eventually die out which would be no bad thing. Redefining of the word would be a small price to pay in that case. Fair point. " Robbie, I would ask you to clarify something here for me. You quoted me above but inserted a line saying that the common good is best served by a no vote in the middle of my post, thereby giving the impression that I said it. I'm hoping that was accidental on your part as I'm clearly advocating a yes vote and believe the opposite to be true. If it was accidental then ok, but please be more careful as this is a rather serious issue. I really hope it was accidental | |||
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"Michael, absolutely accidental. Intention was to reply in bold to your's in light. Doing it on the phone. I might have a different opinion but I am not a prat. Apologies. " That's ok. I kinda thought that was the case but you never can tell. | |||
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"how will you vote guys? how do you think it will go? ill be voting yes" ....you have four yes's here. .......wait. ....no......when is Britain's got talent on?.....well a big fat yes then.... | |||
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"I wont be voting. Maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else but did you not already express a fairly strong opinion on the whole subject?
I did, i think marriage should be removed from all laws, not made stronger. Thats not gonna happen so why bother vote.
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"You "dont see a good enough reason to vote Yes". Here's one - Two people love each other. They want to spend there lives together and want the same protection as "traditional families" have now. Its simple. Nothing to do with children, adoption or surrogacy. Also look at the referendum commission website." | |||
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"I want to vote yes - but still not persuaded. I don't get the bit that a yes vote is necessary for same sex couples to be happy. Happiness in a relationship come from the quality of their bond, marriage is just a social tag and perhaps a signal to the outside world. The other problem I have is I believe a woman , a man and potential to have kids is the fundamental unit on which society is built. And the formation of that unit is normally through marriage. I have no issue with same sex relationships or same sex families - but it is not marriage and don't think the term marriage should be hijacked. I am fairly liberal and detest organisations like Iona so am having some difficulty with my position. Just don't see a big enough reason to vote yes. This is probably the equivalent of " suicide by cop " on here but so be it. There is a bit to go yet - 60:40 at present - must read up some more. Do you mind if I ask why you want to vote Yes ? From my reading of your post you are seated in the NO camp. I'm afraid be not be as liberal as you consider yourself to be. I may be wrong but a part of your post jumps out at me. 'I have no issue with same sex relationships or same sex families - but it is not marriage and don't think the term marriage should be hijacked' The generally accepted meaning of hijack is to take what is not yours, rob, steal. Could there be an element of reverse phycology in play with your original post? Perhaps I'm just a cynic. " | |||
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