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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I was reading the texts between her and her "master" in the Irish independent yesterday. I'm of mixed opinion as to whether he actually murdered her or not. Has anyone read the article with the texts between master and slave??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I did. I'm not easily shocked but they weren't fun reading.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes i did and yes i think hes guilty i also think that they are lucky to have caught him when they did.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I did. I'm not easily shocked but they weren't fun reading. "

No they werent at all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"yes i did and yes i think hes guilty i also think that they are lucky to have caught him when they did."

Ah biggsy It was consentual tho.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not for me to judge whether he did or didnt murder her but one thing is definate.....v v dangerous man and i feel so sorry for his family

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She said several times she didn't want to be killed or even to be punished that night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope....I'm saving it for the book im pretty sure there's gonna be one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope....I'm saving it for the book im pretty sure there's gonna be one "
cynical much? Lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

She said its suicide and he won't be blamed. But she also said she was afraid to do it outside because she was afraid he would go to far and kill her. She had mental issues too which doesn't help really

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Nope....I'm saving it for the book im pretty sure there's gonna be one "

Of course there will be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A friend in the prison service. ..says the gardai investigating believe its not his first time. ...

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By *owdyBoobyMan
over a year ago

limerick

I hear Liam Neeson is lined up for the film.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"A friend in the prison service. ..says the gardai investigating believe its not his first time. ..."

I can't imagine it is either. That kind of fantasy didn't just start.he knew well what he was doing. Anain tho it was consensual

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I hear Liam Neeson is lined up for the film."

I will find you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yes i did and yes i think hes guilty i also think that they are lucky to have caught him when they did.

Ah biggsy It was consentual tho. "

I dont think it was i think it was a fantasy that went way to far if u ever watch the news and see hes face hes showing no remorse atall.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A friend in the prison service. ..says the gardai investigating believe its not his first time. ...

I can't imagine it is either. That kind of fantasy didn't just start.he knew well what he was doing. Anain tho it was consensual "
....even assisted suicide in Ireland is considered manslaughter. ...plus. .as you say..she had mental health problems. ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear Liam Neeson is lined up for the film.

I will find you"
in light of the topic... I'm glad you didn't finish that sentence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it true she was on Fab?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear Liam Neeson is lined up for the film."

Poor taste lukey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it true she was on Fab? "

All sites were investigated at the time i think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A friend in the prison service. ..says the gardai investigating believe its not his first time. ...

I can't imagine it is either. That kind of fantasy didn't just start.he knew well what he was doing. Anain tho it was consensual "

It may have been but it certainly seems that he was taking advantage of her low self esteem and her fragile mental state for his own sexual gratification !! Lock him up, cut them off and throw away the key !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A friend in the prison service. ..says the gardai investigating believe its not his first time. ...

I can't imagine it is either. That kind of fantasy didn't just start.he knew well what he was doing. Anain tho it was consensual "

He totally manipulated her. He was aware of her mental history issues background and used it to his advantage. Whether or not he did kill her he's a disgusting person. I think anyone playing the Dom role in that kind of relationship should have backed of completely once aware that the sub has severe enough metal difficulties. He is a manipulative narcissist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are plenty on here too that play on vunerable ladies shocking what they say to try get u on there side sad really . No doubt its happening all the time .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A friend in the prison service. ..says the gardai investigating believe its not his first time. ...

I can't imagine it is either. That kind of fantasy didn't just start.he knew well what he was doing. Anain tho it was consensual

He totally manipulated her. He was aware of her mental history issues background and used it to his advantage. Whether or not he did kill her he's a disgusting person. I think anyone playing the Dom role in that kind of relationship should have backed of completely once aware that the sub has severe enough metal difficulties. He is a manipulative narcissist. "

Yes which would list him under physcotic killers useally have an interest in fetishism partalism there is one more but i cant rem it now i think it was called necrophillia but im not sure.

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By *owdyBoobyMan
over a year ago

limerick


"A friend in the prison service. ..says the gardai investigating believe its not his first time. ...

I can't imagine it is either. That kind of fantasy didn't just start.he knew well what he was doing. Anain tho it was consensual

He totally manipulated her. He was aware of her mental history issues background and used it to his advantage. Whether or not he did kill her he's a disgusting person. I think anyone playing the Dom role in that kind of relationship should have backed of completely once aware that the sub has severe enough metal difficulties. He is a manipulative narcissist. "

Or a narcissist Manipulator

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By *hillMan
over a year ago

cobh

Not appropriate to be discussing on here

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not appropriate to be discussing on here"

For real???

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not appropriate to be discussing on here

For real??? "

Do tell

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By *owdyBoobyMan
over a year ago

limerick

These statements could end up in court case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not appropriate to be discussing on here"

not been the forum police its a forum mate ye can chat about anything so longing it doesnt break the forums rules.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"These statements could end up in court case."

Oh stop the lights.its a public forum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"These statements could end up in court case."

oh ha ha ha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The information out in the public domain with regards this case is there for all to see in any irish broadsheet , I dout very much anything said here would be predudicial to the case at this stage ,unless of course anyone has information not already disclosed to the case .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The information out in the public domain with regards this case is there for all to see in any irish broadsheet , I dout very much anything said here would be predudicial to the case at this stage ,unless of course anyone has information not already disclosed to the case . "

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By *imwildWoman
over a year ago

around

I've had quite a few conversations with several older generation and its very enlightening to hear not one has criticised or tut tutted the sexual preferences of Elaine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've had quite a few conversations with several older generation and its very enlightening to hear not one has criticised or tut tutted the sexual preferences of Elaine. "
......irrespective of her sexual preferences. ..she wss the victim in this sordid story. ..even if she was of sound mind. ...which she off course wasn't. ....consenting adults etc...

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By *owdyBoobyMan
over a year ago

limerick

Giving lessons in how to take a joke. 1pm to 2pm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Giving lessons in how to take a joke. 1pm to 2pm."
......love black humour

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I've had quite a few conversations with several older generation and its very enlightening to hear not one has criticised or tut tutted the sexual preferences of Elaine. "

Isn't it though.even people on here are shocked and disgusted at her fantasies. Its OK for the bloke to have those kind of fantasies but not a woman. That's what I'm getting back. Unbelievable for a site where fantasies are fulfilled.OK I doubt death/murder/extreme sadomasachism is a regular occurrence around this site but stranger things have happened

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Giving lessons in how to take a joke. 1pm to 2pm."

Dear Jesus ur not the instructor are you ??

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Its shocking stuff. A tragically vulnerable girl meets a master manipulator. Even if she wanted to die,and by yesterdays evidence it sounded like she didn't,its still murder not manslaughter

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Its shocking stuff. A tragically vulnerable girl meets a master manipulator. Even if she wanted to die,and by yesterdays evidence it sounded like she didn't,its still murder not manslaughter"

She didn't...she stated that clearly.however she did ALLOW him to stab her.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

He could have got away with manslaughter,saying she died when stabbing sex game went too far,but text evidence shows murder was his intent

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"He could have got away with manslaughter,saying she died when stabbing sex game went too far,but text evidence shows murder was his intent"

I totally agree. If he had admitted it at the start and said what he was into then it would have been manslaughter

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By *owdyBoobyMan
over a year ago

limerick


"I've had quite a few conversations with several older generation and its very enlightening to hear not one has criticised or tut tutted the sexual preferences of Elaine.

Isn't it though.even people on here are shocked and disgusted at her fantasies. Its OK for the bloke to have those kind of fantasies but not a woman. That's what I'm getting back. Unbelievable for a site where fantasies are fulfilled.OK I doubt death/murder/extreme sadomasachism is a regular occurrence around this site but stranger things have happened "

If you want to read some shocking fantasies get your hands on Women on Top by Nancy Friday.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Either way a life was taken.which is awful

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By *imwildWoman
over a year ago

around


"I've had quite a few conversations with several older generation and its very enlightening to hear not one has criticised or tut tutted the sexual preferences of Elaine. ......irrespective of her sexual preferences. ..she wss the victim in this sordid story. ..even if she was of sound mind. ...which she off course wasn't. ....consenting adults etc..."

Oh I agree whole heartedly. I was just saying people are always saying how narrow minded the Irish are, especially the older generations, sexually.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've had quite a few conversations with several older generation and its very enlightening to hear not one has criticised or tut tutted the sexual preferences of Elaine. ......irrespective of her sexual preferences. ..she wss the victim in this sordid story. ..even if she was of sound mind. ...which she off course wasn't. ....consenting adults etc...

Oh I agree whole heartedly. I was just saying people are always saying how narrow minded the Irish are, especially the older generations, sexually. "
......lol....I think I fall into that category. ...

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By *randub69Man
over a year ago

city


"He could have got away with manslaughter,saying she died when stabbing sex game went too far,but text evidence shows murder was his intent

I totally agree. If he had admitted it at the start and said what he was into then it would have been manslaughter"

Then he would have lost his wife and family his good job and nice house in foxrock. .. This guy preyed on a vulnerable woman with mental issues. He is a nasty piece of work....If he was not caught who would have been next...probably some vulnerable girl of here...may he die roaring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He could have got away with manslaughter,saying she died when stabbing sex game went too far,but text evidence shows murder was his intent

I totally agree. If he had admitted it at the start and said what he was into then it would have been manslaughter

Then he would have lost his wife and family his good job and nice house in foxrock. .. This guy preyed on a vulnerable woman with mental issues. He is a nasty piece of work....If he was not caught who would have been next...probably some vulnerable girl of here...may he die roaring. "

There's no evidence of texts/messages/relationship with anyone after Elaine o'hara as far as I know?

I'm not condoning what he did, clearly the two of them were sick. But they were into what they were into and we're both consenting. Clearly it went hhorribly wrong.

It's the families I feel for, having all this dragged through the media

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By *accyjMan
over a year ago

dublin

2 words need to be considered when looking at this case REASONABLE DOUBT paint on the spade did not match one missing from house all items in the reservoir were items from the girls house reasonable enough to imagine she tried to frame the defendant committed suicide . Great film like this is law abiding citizen it's is still legal to have fantasises in this republic of ours aint it

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare


" 2 words need to be considered when looking at this case REASONABLE DOUBT paint on the spade did not match one missing from house all items in the reservoir were items from the girls house reasonable enough to imagine she tried to frame the defendant committed suicide . Great film like this is law abiding citizen it's is still legal to have fantasises in this republic of ours aint it "

The paint didn't match paint at their house,so what? His wife said it was the family spade,she used it everyday so she should know. Just because the paint on spade didn't match the samples at house proves nothing

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare


"He could have got away with manslaughter,saying she died when stabbing sex game went too far,but text evidence shows murder was his intent

I totally agree. If he had admitted it at the start and said what he was into then it would have been manslaughter

Then he would have lost his wife and family his good job and nice house in foxrock. .. This guy preyed on a vulnerable woman with mental issues. He is a nasty piece of work....If he was not caught who would have been next...probably some vulnerable girl of here...may he die roaring.

There's no evidence of texts/messages/relationship with anyone after Elaine o'hara as far as I know?

I'm not condoning what he did, clearly the two of them were sick. But they were into what they were into and we're both consenting. Clearly it went hhorribly wrong.

It's the families I feel for, having all this dragged through the media "

That's not the law here, no one can consent to being killed here,its still murder

As for a fantasy that went wrong the evidence shows it was dwyers fantasy that went right,murder was his fantasy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The paint samples didn't match proves nothing? ....that's the point isn't it...burden on proof is on the prosecution. .....just hope the garda get it right. ...ian Bailey springs to mind...

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

Sorry I'm not away of this case .

But by reading the thread did both have mental issues. Who has fantasy to kill! Was it a sex act gone wrong suicide mentioned.

I suppose I should look on the Internet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" 2 words need to be considered when looking at this case REASONABLE DOUBT paint on the spade did not match one missing from house all items in the reservoir were items from the girls house reasonable enough to imagine she tried to frame the defendant committed suicide . Great film like this is law abiding citizen it's is still legal to have fantasises in this republic of ours aint it "

You make a valid point. We can be very quick to judge but none of us were there ....none of us know the people involved. We may have opinions of someone's fantasies which may influence our opinion of them but that does not mean we have formed the correct opinion of the situation. I admit I have read very little regarding this case. I hope for Elaine and her families sake that when this case ends and a verdict is given that it is based on the truth. That in my view would be true justice and the least that Elaine and her family deserve. May she RIP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the information is in public domain,but you cant say he is guilty.

you could be brought to court, this site could get blocked in Ireland etc

Thats why websites dont nornally allow talk about ongoing court cases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the information is in public domain,but you cant say he is guilty.

you could be brought to court, this site could get blocked in Ireland etc

Thats why websites dont nornally allow talk about ongoing court cases. "

Don't be daft!

The only people who shouldn't be looking are the jurors and I somehow don't think they are logged into fab reading this thread

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By *randub69Man
over a year ago

city


"the information is in public domain,but you cant say he is guilty.

you could be brought to court, this site could get blocked in Ireland etc

Thats why websites dont nornally allow talk about ongoing court cases.

Don't be daft!

The only people who shouldn't be looking are the jurors and I somehow don't think they are logged into fab reading this thread "

Jurors are ordinary people..ordinary people are on here..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also 99% of people who have their reputation ruined during a court case get found innocent in ireland.

Its when all the info is locked down that they usually get sent to jail.

It seems therr is a culture of letting affluent people away with crimes, but dragging their name through the mud as punishment instead of jail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the information is in public domain,but you cant say he is guilty.

you could be brought to court, this site could get blocked in Ireland etc

Thats why websites dont nornally allow talk about ongoing court cases.

Don't be daft!

The only people who shouldn't be looking are the jurors and I somehow don't think they are logged into fab reading this thread

Jurors are ordinary people..ordinary people are on here..

"

When a case as serious as this one,jurors are instructed not to read the papers or watch the news,or have any involvement with any forms of social media,so if a juror even so much as reads a paper with this case being discussed on it it's liable for a mistrial

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare


"The paint samples didn't match proves nothing? ....that's the point isn't it...burden on proof is on the prosecution. .....just hope the garda get it right. ...ian Bailey springs to mind..."

Its only 1 small bit of evidence in a complicated case but my point on the paint was just because the paint on the spade didn't match the tins of paint found in his shed doesn't mean it wasn't his spade. His wife said it was the family spade that she used most days until it disappeared.

A lot of circumstantial evidence like fone records but its pretty damning imo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the information is in public domain,but you cant say he is guilty.

you could be brought to court, this site could get blocked in Ireland etc

Thats why websites dont nornally allow talk about ongoing court cases. "
.........this is Ireland. ..not Russia or China...you can say what you want on an open forum. ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read it and I swear it's straight from a criminal minds episode

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

I've just spent time readang it.

It says she into bdsm, but again she had mental issues.

In my idea he took advantage of her mental health consented or not the poor girl was not in sound mind... its actually disturbing to read. Whatever the outcome this girl life has ended .

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By *imwildWoman
over a year ago

around

Whether she consented or not is not the issue. It is illegal in Ireland to take another persons life. Its to prove whether he did it or not that is the case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yea read it each to their own and all that but the stabbing and blood letting is a bit far never mind the pretend rapes n stuff guys a sick fuck should be locked up simples

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By *hocko87Man
over a year ago

dublin

He's a sicko n should b locked up whether he committed murder r not . I don't know how any woman ever dated him not alone marry him surely they knew right from d start how sick he was . She was a bit on d mental side n for all we know she could have killed herself .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suppose its possible that she killed herself , but how do you explain the text messages sent and received the day she disappeared , the last one coming from the masters phone telling her to come down to the shore line , the phone and the one belonging to her which were both found along with her keys and glasses in the reservoir , both phones having been examined and positions pinpointed in the exchange of messages , doesnt point to suicide to be honest .

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By *heoldhippyMan
over a year ago

Midleton

Folks, be careful. There is not supposed to be a commentary like this while a trial is running. Contempt proceedings are a possibility and, in the event of a conviction, this thread could be used in support of the argument that he did not get a fair and unbiased trial.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Consensual murder is still murder, there is no question about that actual assisted suicide is illegal and in many of them cases the person wanting to die have all of their wits about them.. Whereas that lady had problems with her mind to begin with :/

He clearly ended her life and ought be be hit with the book

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"He's a sicko n should b locked up whether he committed murder r not . I don't know how any woman ever dated him not alone marry him surely they knew right from d start how sick he was . She was a bit on d mental side n for all we know she could have killed herself . "

Calling him a sicko on a site like this is pure stupid. His interests were bdsm yours is fisting etc. So??? And your married comment was dumb too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"the information is in public domain,but you cant say he is guilty.

you could be brought to court, this site could get blocked in Ireland etc

Thats why websites dont nornally allow talk about ongoing court cases. "

I'd that a serious comment??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's a sicko n should b locked up whether he committed murder r not . I don't know how any woman ever dated him not alone marry him surely they knew right from d start how sick he was . She was a bit on d mental side n for all we know she could have killed herself .

Calling him a sicko on a site like this is pure stupid. His interests were bdsm yours is fisting etc. So??? And your married comment was dumb too. "

Well to be honest it's really not some difference between fisting someone and stabbing them what would you rather

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"He's a sicko n should b locked up whether he committed murder r not . I don't know how any woman ever dated him not alone marry him surely they knew right from d start how sick he was . She was a bit on d mental side n for all we know she could have killed herself .

Calling him a sicko on a site like this is pure stupid. His interests were bdsm yours is fisting etc. So??? And your married comment was dumb too.

Well to be honest it's really not some difference between fisting someone and stabbing them what would you rather "

I didn't say there was a comparison I said it was his fantasy or likes. You ever been fisted??

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town


"He's a sicko n should b locked up whether he committed murder r not . I don't know how any woman ever dated him not alone marry him surely they knew right from d start how sick he was . She was a bit on d mental side n for all we know she could have killed herself .

Calling him a sicko on a site like this is pure stupid. His interests were bdsm yours is fisting etc. So??? And your married comment was dumb too. "
bdsm is one thing unless my knowledge on bdsm is of no importance killing or attempted serious injuries is not bdsm....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"He's a sicko n should b locked up whether he committed murder r not . I don't know how any woman ever dated him not alone marry him surely they knew right from d start how sick he was . She was a bit on d mental side n for all we know she could have killed herself .

Calling him a sicko on a site like this is pure stupid. His interests were bdsm yours is fisting etc. So??? And your married comment was dumb too. bdsm is one thing unless my knowledge on bdsm is of no importance killing or attempted serious injuries is not bdsm.... "

No its not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Folks, be careful. There is not supposed to be a commentary like this while a trial is running. Contempt proceedings are a possibility and, in the event of a conviction, this thread could be used in support of the argument that he did not get a fair and unbiased trial."
..your joking of course?

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By *entleman36Man
over a year ago

dublin

One thing that no one has pointed out is the backpack that he was wearing in the video from her apartment complex, that was found dumped not too far away from where her remains were found

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

They tracked the fones that he denies are his to his neighbourhood during evenings and overnight and to his work office area during work hours. Also tracked it to places they knew he was on certain dates and even tracked it from the north down the m1 and have a picture of his car crossing tollbridge same time as fones

Also have him texting on said fones about family events and work that tally with events in dwyers life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's a sicko n should b locked up whether he committed murder r not . I don't know how any woman ever dated him not alone marry him surely they knew right from d start how sick he was . She was a bit on d mental side n for all we know she could have killed herself .

Calling him a sicko on a site like this is pure stupid. His interests were bdsm yours is fisting etc. So??? And your married comment was dumb too.

Well to be honest it's really not some difference between fisting someone and stabbing them what would you rather

I didn't say there was a comparison I said it was his fantasy or likes. You ever been fisted?? "

No can't say I have but I've been stabbed not something I'd like to do again and tell me does bdsm include blood letting stabbing and rape? Anyone that's takes sexual gratification from thinking about killing and raping is not just interested in bdsm there on the way to becoming a psycho in my opinion

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By *heoldhippyMan
over a year ago

Midleton

No, just stating facts. If there was a conviction and an appeal the defence could argue that if the jury were aware of the discussion then they might have decided on his guilt beforehand. Sounds outlandish but it is true. Also the site could be closed for publishing this

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

It's all over the public domain with much more information.....

You really think it's just on this site it being spoken about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's a sicko n should b locked up whether he committed murder r not . I don't know how any woman ever dated him not alone marry him surely they knew right from d start how sick he was . She was a bit on d mental side n for all we know she could have killed herself .

Calling him a sicko on a site like this is pure stupid. His interests were bdsm yours is fisting etc. So??? And your married comment was dumb too.

Well to be honest it's really not some difference between fisting someone and stabbing them what would you rather

I didn't say there was a comparison I said it was his fantasy or likes. You ever been fisted??

No can't say I have but I've been stabbed not something I'd like to do again and tell me does bdsm include blood letting stabbing and rape? Anyone that's takes sexual gratification from thinking about killing and raping is not just interested in bdsm there on the way to becoming a psycho in my opinion

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Plenty of women on here have rape fantasies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread and the fact that it is permitted is living proof that this site is UK run and operated with not a ounce of concern for the irish rule of law.

If the trial was in the UK the mods would be instructed to shut it down until the trial is over.

Their inaction on this and other matters like racial abuse is breath taking.

Remember a few years back they banned people for speaking irish in the chat rooms because (and I quote? "they could be planning to plant semtex "

the attitude to the colonies clearly hasn't changed

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By *randub69Man
over a year ago

city


"This thread and the fact that it is permitted is living proof that this site is UK run and operated with not a ounce of concern for the irish rule of law.

If the trial was in the UK the mods would be instructed to shut it down until the trial is over.

Their inaction on this and other matters like racial abuse is breath taking.

Remember a few years back they banned people for speaking irish in the chat rooms because (and I quote? "they could be planning to plant semtex "

the attitude to the colonies clearly hasn't changed "

Ex colony

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"This thread and the fact that it is permitted is living proof that this site is UK run and operated with not a ounce of concern for the irish rule of law.

If the trial was in the UK the mods would be instructed to shut it down until the trial is over.

Their inaction on this and other matters like racial abuse is breath taking.

Remember a few years back they banned people for speaking irish in the chat rooms because (and I quote? "they could be planning to plant semtex "

the attitude to the colonies clearly hasn't changed "

Its called freedom of speech...

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By *adrarfjordr VoyeurMan
over a year ago

Waterford


" The paint didn't match paint at their house,so what? His wife said it was the family spade,she used it everyday so she should know. Just because the paint on spade didn't match the samples at house proves nothing

"

I'm not saying he's innocent or anything but on this point. His wife said it was the family spade because she recognised the paint marks on it so the fact it wasn't the same paint is pretty important

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The movie should be good

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By *adrarfjordr VoyeurMan
over a year ago

Waterford


"This thread and the fact that it is permitted is living proof that this site is UK run and operated with not a ounce of concern for the irish rule of law.

If the trial was in the UK the mods would be instructed to shut it down until the trial is over.

Their inaction on this and other matters like racial abuse is breath taking.

Remember a few years back they banned people for speaking irish in the chat rooms because (and I quote? "they could be planning to plant semtex "

the attitude to the colonies clearly hasn't changed "

What you suggest would only be valid if there were reporting restrictions by the trial judge in place. There would be no problem discussing material that has been openly reported by the mainstream media here or in the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everybody has missed the fact that he contacted an american girl to over the internet who also had mental health issues.He told her that all about hes killing fantasys and act said he come and find her to.This bloke knew what he was doing i think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What you suggest would only be valid if there were reporting restrictions by the trial judge in place. There would be no problem discussing material that has been openly reported by the mainstream media here or in the UK

spot on

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By *imwildWoman
over a year ago

around

Unless someone on here said something that could be used as evidence in the trial I think discussing 'facts' from the news is permitted to have their opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

whoops I just found this ....

In law, sub judice, Latin for "under judgment", means that a particular case or matter is under trial or being considered by a judge or court. The term may be used synonymously with "the present case" or "the case at bar" by some lawyers.

In England and Wales, Ireland,[1] New Zealand,[2][3][4] Australia, South Africa, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Canada,[5] Sri Lanka and Israel it is generally considered inappropriate to comment publicly on cases sub judice, which can be an offence in itself, leading to contempt of court proceedings. This is particularly true in criminal cases, where publicly discussing cases sub judice may constitute interference with due process.

perhaps we should just leave this discussion as is .

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare


" The paint didn't match paint at their house,so what? His wife said it was the family spade,she used it everyday so she should know. Just because the paint on spade didn't match the samples at house proves nothing

I'm not saying he's innocent or anything but on this point. His wife said it was the family spade because she recognised the paint marks on it so the fact it wasn't the same paint is pretty important"

It wasn't the same paint as the tins in his shed but paint could have come from old tins long threw out. The fact she said se was definite it was theirs says way more to me

Anyone with tools they have for years and use daily would immediately recognise them imo

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By *ippcoupe2Couple
over a year ago

cahir/cashel

isn't the justice system in this country just great. so many people convicting and damning a person before he has even started his defence?

reminds me of other highly reported cases of unsafe convictions. please wait till you hear all the evidence before making judgement.

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By *irst officerMan
over a year ago

Naas

I find the whole thing strange and slightly disturbing.

Why would you want to meet someone and cause bodily harm.

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By *imwildWoman
over a year ago

around


"whoops I just found this ....

In law, sub judice, Latin for "under judgment", means that a particular case or matter is under trial or being considered by a judge or court. The term may be used synonymously with "the present case" or "the case at bar" by some lawyers.

In England and Wales, Ireland,[1] New Zealand,[2][3][4] Australia, South Africa, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Canada,[5] Sri Lanka and Israel it is generally considered inappropriate to comment publicly on cases sub judice, which can be an offence in itself, leading to contempt of court proceedings. This is particularly true in criminal cases, where publicly discussing cases sub judice may constitute interference with due process.

perhaps we should just leave this discussion as is .

"

Does that just relate to all parties involved in the case or everyone else?

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

I think its everyone. Papers have to be careful to just report the facts as said in court and not give opinion,like we've done here

Be interested to know tho do those restrictions just refer to the media and not social media and personal opinion

The media can influence public opinion,we cant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He's a sicko n should b locked up whether he committed murder r not . I don't know how any woman ever dated him not alone marry him surely they knew right from d start how sick he was . She was a bit on d mental side n for all we know she could have killed herself .

Calling him a sicko on a site like this is pure stupid. His interests were bdsm yours is fisting etc. So??? And your married comment was dumb too.

Well to be honest it's really not some difference between fisting someone and stabbing them what would you rather

I didn't say there was a comparison I said it was his fantasy or likes. You ever been fisted??

No can't say I have but I've been stabbed not something I'd like to do again and tell me does bdsm include blood letting stabbing and rape? Anyone that's takes sexual gratification from thinking about killing and raping is not just interested in bdsm there on the way to becoming a psycho in my opinion

Plenty of women on here have rape fantasies"

Each to their own hey fantasies are great but they are fantasies and if you act them out you choose someone you trust right? Would you trust him?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think its everyone. Papers have to be careful to just report the facts as said in court and not give opinion,like we've done here

Be interested to know tho do those restrictions just refer to the media and not social media and personal opinion

The media can influence public opinion,we cant

"

If it's in the paper it's in the public domain no worries it's up to the jury not to read and watch stories on it

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By *randub69Man
over a year ago

city


"whoops I just found this ....

In law, sub judice, Latin for "under judgment", means that a particular case or matter is under trial or being considered by a judge or court. The term may be used synonymously with "the present case" or "the case at bar" by some lawyers.

In England and Wales, Ireland,[1] New Zealand,[2][3][4] Australia, South Africa, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Canada,[5] Sri Lanka and Israel it is generally considered inappropriate to comment publicly on cases sub judice, which can be an offence in itself, leading to contempt of court proceedings. This is particularly true in criminal cases, where publicly discussing cases sub judice may constitute interference with due process.

perhaps we should just leave this discussion as is .

"

Lol.. i bet you just made that up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have been trying to follow this case but it's going on so long. Here's what I get from it. Graham O'dwyer murdered a vunerable mentally ill woman against her own wish and he probably would have killed more. He planned on killing the estate agent too and even done cold run's.

I really hope they have enough evidence to put him away for a very long.Text message evidence says: she text him telling him she was afraid he was going to kill her. She told him she didn't want him to stab her anymore.

The "MSTER" & "SLVE" phone were registered under false names but one of the addresses used was HIS sister's address. Coincidence??

The wife recognised the spade but the paint not matching. Paint can lose colour when left outside sitting in a puddle of water or rain.

The american girl said that he fantasied about have sex with her then cutting her throat,

He said he would never stab anyone but they have video evidence of him stabbing Elaine and 1 or 2 other unidentified women.

The ex saying he had stab fantasies.

The rucksack found in the resevoir. He was last seen taking it from her house and it never went back.

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By *irst officerMan
over a year ago

Naas


"I have been trying to follow this case but it's going on so long. Here's what I get from it. Graham O'dwyer murdered a vunerable mentally ill woman against her own wish and he probably would have killed more. He planned on killing the estate agent too and even done cold run's.

I really hope they have enough evidence to put him away for a very long.Text message evidence says: she text him telling him she was afraid he was going to kill her. She told him she didn't want him to stab her anymore.

The "MSTER" & "SLVE" phone were registered under false names but one of the addresses used was HIS sister's address. Coincidence??

The wife recognised the spade but the paint not matching. Paint can lose colour when left outside sitting in a puddle of water or rain.

The american girl said that he fantasied about have sex with her then cutting her throat,

He said he would never stab anyone but they have video evidence of him stabbing Elaine and 1 or 2 other unidentified women.

The ex saying he had stab fantasies.

The rucksack found in the resevoir. He was last seen taking it from her house and it never went back.

"

I get cold shivers reading that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The state must prove beyond reasonable doubt that he carried out the crime. The have not done this. No evidence has been proven to link him to the killing. He has said he had sex with her and she was into wild sex. I know from the garda that the believe he had killed before but that can not and have not been able to prove this. Feel so sorry for Elaine who was not of sound mind, was mentally abused and taken advantage of. Some mental people out their

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have been trying to follow this case but it's going on so long. Here's what I get from it. Graham O'dwyer murdered a vunerable mentally ill woman against her own wish and he probably would have killed more. He planned on killing the estate agent too and even done cold run's.

I really hope they have enough evidence to put him away for a very long.Text message evidence says: she text him telling him she was afraid he was going to kill her. She told him she didn't want him to stab her anymore.

The "MSTER" & "SLVE" phone were registered under false names but one of the addresses used was HIS sister's address. Coincidence??

The wife recognised the spade but the paint not matching. Paint can lose colour when left outside sitting in a puddle of water or rain.

The american girl said that he fantasied about have sex with her then cutting her throat,

He said he would never stab anyone but they have video evidence of him stabbing Elaine and 1 or 2 other unidentified women.

The ex saying he had stab fantasies.

The rucksack found in the resevoir. He was last seen taking it from her house and it never went back.

"

All he have to say is the Texs were them role playing out their fantasies. The have no evidence he killed her. He had he bag, he texed her, he like knives and all that stuff but as much as we don't like it that does not prove he killed her and so he will get off. That is the justice system in our country

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"This thread and the fact that it is permitted is living proof that this site is UK run and operated with not a ounce of concern for the irish rule of law.

If the trial was in the UK the mods would be instructed to shut it down until the trial is over.

Their inaction on this and other matters like racial abuse is breath taking.

Remember a few years back they banned people for speaking irish in the chat rooms because (and I quote? "they could be planning to plant semtex "

the attitude to the colonies clearly hasn't changed "

Just to clarify. Admin dont instruct mods to take down threads of court cases, in any part of the forum.

As for your semtext comment, if you saw a mod say this in chat then please provide the name to Admin from the CONTACT button.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This thread and the fact that it is permitted is living proof that this site is UK run and operated with not a ounce of concern for the irish rule of law.

If the trial was in the UK the mods would be instructed to shut it down until the trial is over.

Their inaction on this and other matters like racial abuse is breath taking.

Remember a few years back they banned people for speaking irish in the chat rooms because (and I quote? "they could be planning to plant semtex "

the attitude to the colonies clearly hasn't changed "

Lol sure it's in the papers on the news it everywhere and if the law makers and law enforcers haven't an ounce of concern for Irish law how is anyone else suppose to ?

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare


"I have been trying to follow this case but it's going on so long. Here's what I get from it. Graham O'dwyer murdered a vunerable mentally ill woman against her own wish and he probably would have killed more. He planned on killing the estate agent too and even done cold run's.

I really hope they have enough evidence to put him away for a very long.Text message evidence says: she text him telling him she was afraid he was going to kill her. She told him she didn't want him to stab her anymore.

The "MSTER" & "SLVE" phone were registered under false names but one of the addresses used was HIS sister's address. Coincidence??

The wife recognised the spade but the paint not matching. Paint can lose colour when left outside sitting in a puddle of water or rain.

The american girl said that he fantasied about have sex with her then cutting her throat,

He said he would never stab anyone but they have video evidence of him stabbing Elaine and 1 or 2 other unidentified women.

The ex saying he had stab fantasies.

The rucksack found in the resevoir. He was last seen taking it from her house and it never went back.

All he have to say is the Texs were them role playing out their fantasies. The have no evidence he killed her. He had he bag, he texed her, he like knives and all that stuff but as much as we don't like it that does not prove he killed her and so he will get off. That is the justice system in our country "

Its a matter of opinion,I think the evidence points to graham dwyer and there's no way he'll get off. I'd say the jury would hang him if they had the choice after sitting thru that horrific evidence

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By *heoldhippyMan
over a year ago

Midleton

I think you will find that the jury will convict but the danger is that the Circuit Court , which sits without a jury, will acquit on a point of law.

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By *hillMan
over a year ago

cobh

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By *accyjMan
over a year ago

dublin


"The state must prove beyond reasonable doubt that he carried out the crime. The have not done this. No evidence has been proven to link him to the killing. He has said he had sex with her and she was into wild sex. I know from the garda that the believe he had killed before but that can not and have not been able to prove this. Feel so sorry for Elaine who was not of sound mind, was mentally abused and taken advantage of. Some mental people out their "

I agree there is no DNA evidence to link him to the location mobile phones can be cloned or manipulate the bag being taken by him already stated by prosecution there is another entrance to apartment not covered by cctv as far as i recollect was days before also he stated bag was always returned to the apartment a fantasise is what it is in your head or acted out not carried out if i may say i would kill someone does it mean i would ??? we have all said this in our lives " fooking kill him/her burden of proof ..... dna link to location of the body all i have seen is if or what ifs .

The state must prove beyond reasonable doubt if there is any doubt he walks that is the system even on one piece of evidence if there is reasonable doubt he walks that's the law as far as i can see the DPP was wrong to bring this case with such weak evidence and they are culpable and should be brought to book including the guards that leaked info to the press root out the idiots in the force and make examples of them same as the report on the last commisioner not being published he is a public servant paid by the people for the people a guardian of the peace if he is in breach of his oath or the law bring him to book remove his pension zero tolerance the law of the land is the law end of .............

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By *ehallMan
over a year ago

dublin 24

walter mitty guy). baffles me as to why she did not get away from him she knew he was a very dangerous man and kept seeing him she ven brought him to her apartment the county has never seen a case like it unbelievable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"walter mitty guy). baffles me as to why she did not get away from him she knew he was a very dangerous man and kept seeing him she ven brought him to her apartment the county has never seen a case like it unbelievable

"

It's all about control. He had her under such control.

Listening to those texts was awful, it was like she was getting stronger and kept resisting and he kept pulling Her back.

It was heartbreaking reading them

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

I haven't followed the case much this week. Only defence witness I heard from said she saw elaine crying on top of her mams grave day she disappeared. Don't see the relevence of this. Proves she was suicidal? We know she was suicidal. You still can't kill suicidal ppl. Any other defence evidence I miss?

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare


"The state must prove beyond reasonable doubt that he carried out the crime. The have not done this. No evidence has been proven to link him to the killing. He has said he had sex with her and she was into wild sex. I know from the garda that the believe he had killed before but that can not and have not been able to prove this. Feel so sorry for Elaine who was not of sound mind, was mentally abused and taken advantage of. Some mental people out their

I agree there is no DNA evidence to link him to the location mobile phones can be cloned or manipulate the bag being taken by him already stated by prosecution there is another entrance to apartment not covered by cctv as far as i recollect was days before also he stated bag was always returned to the apartment a fantasise is what it is in your head or acted out not carried out if i may say i would kill someone does it mean i would ??? we have all said this in our lives " fooking kill him/her burden of proof ..... dna link to location of the body all i have seen is if or what ifs .

The state must prove beyond reasonable doubt if there is any doubt he walks that is the system even on one piece of evidence if there is reasonable doubt he walks that's the law as far as i can see the DPP was wrong to bring this case with such weak evidence and they are culpable and should be brought to book including the guards that leaked info to the press root out the idiots in the force and make examples of them same as the report on the last commisioner not being published he is a public servant paid by the people for the people a guardian of the peace if he is in breach of his oath or the law bring him to book remove his pension zero tolerance the law of the land is the law end of ............. "

Of course there was no dna evidence. Only skeletal remains found

Read a piece on this lately,since CSI started ppl in juries expect DNA to explain evplain everything like it does on telly. But in reality it doesn't work like that

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
over a year ago

My town

Anyone watch the primetime programme on Sunday.

Now I know thank god he's been found guilty but it explains it all from; the text messages from master to slaves phone.

The finding of her clothes and other items in the resivoir.

Thank god the man was found guilty.

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