FabSwingers.com forum: James mcclean

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thoughts on his decision not to wear a poppy ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *s. AppletreeWoman
over a year ago

curtain twitching sleepy village

Who??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's his decision, he gave his reasons & that should be that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Catholics and protestants fought in the war, no reason why anyone british or irish shouldn't wear a poppy, they gave there lives for our today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who??"

Wigan & RoI footballer.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

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It's his decision, he gave his reasons & that should be that. "

exactly he wrote a letter to his employers outlining why.

People should respect his decision the same way people should respect the decision to wear it.

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By *eltic CplCouple
over a year ago

Kildare

Big pat on the back for him, he got lambasted last year but stuck by his convictions, not to mention his very educated well written letter explaining his reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's his decision, he gave his reasons & that should be that.

exactly he wrote a letter to his employers outlining why.

People should respect his decision the same way people should respect the decision to wear it."

Agree laid..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I respect his right not to wear it as much as I respect the right of a person who chooses to wear it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't it better that James mclean lives in a society where he can choose to wear the poppy,or not,than be forced to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree if he doesn't wish to wear one he shouldn't be victimised one little bit. That's why those millions of brave men and women died so that we may have a choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If he didnt wear one he didnt wear one that hes own choice but im sure he paid respect in hes own little way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People died for his right to choose wether to wear one or not... his choice and he shouldn't have to explain to anyone. ...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

People should respect his decision I agree but if he did it would be a slap in the face to those in Derry where he comes from. Would you expect the army to observe such a thing for isis taliban alqaeda etc .......

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By *andytownMan
over a year ago

Gods Own Country

The man is able to choose what he can and can't do , made only by the sacrifices of our forefathers .

Lest We Forget

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes true. He outlined if the poppy just represented the personnel lost in ww1 and ww2 he would wear one. But I do believe that the poppy in the north of Ireland bears a different meaning than the rest of the uk and Ireland

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"Catholics and protestants fought in the war, no reason why anyone british or irish shouldn't wear a poppy, they gave there lives for our today"

Isn't the poppy meant to show support for all members of the British military, past and present? Therein lies the problem. Nobody has any issues with the soldiers who served in either of the world wars, but there were quite a few incidents where members of the British military didn't exactly cover themselves with glory. I'd have no problems with commemorating the soldiers who fought in either of those wars but I'm certainly not going to commemorate the soldiers who committed numerous atrocities all over Ireland.

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By *andytownMan
over a year ago

Gods Own Country

The poppy doesn't represent just British military personnel that have died in conflict , there in lies the ignorance of some folks .....

but here never let the truth interfere with a good story.

Anyway , he and others are free to choose no matter what . And that's the end of it really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's his decision, he gave his reasons & that should be that. "

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"The poppy doesn't represent just British military personnel that have died in conflict , there in lies the ignorance of some folks .....

but here never let the truth interfere with a good story.

Anyway , he and others are free to choose no matter what . And that's the end of it really."

It doesn't just represent British military but according to the Royal British Legion, it shows support for all members of the British military, past and present.

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By *andytownMan
over a year ago

Gods Own Country

"The poppy doesn't represent just British military personnel that have died in conflict , there in lies the ignorance of some folks .....

but here never let the truth interfere with a good story.

Anyway , he and others are free to choose no matter what . And that's the end of it really.

It doesn't just represent British military but according to the Royal British Legion, it shows support for all members of the British military, past and present. "

And Commonwealth , Anzac , Gurkha etc etc

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

"The poppy doesn't represent just British military personnel that have died in conflict , there in lies the ignorance of some folks .....

but here never let the truth interfere with a good story.

Anyway , he and others are free to choose no matter what . And that's the end of it really.

It doesn't just represent British military but according to the Royal British Legion, it shows support for all members of the British military, past and present.

And Commonwealth , Anzac , Gurkha etc etc

Yes, but there aren't serving gurkhas these days, and I don't recall the anzacs etc committing atrocities in this country, nor the Canadians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

High 5 to james mcclean.... ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont see what the fuss is about is really he still stood for the min silence at just before kick off with the rest of hes teams mates its just the media again making a big story because of who he is.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Poppy is for all serving British army personnel past present alive or dead including those who gunned down people on bloody Sunday colluded with uda/uvf with killing catholics. I agree some of those were republican soldiers etc however 2 wrongs don't make a right. The town of Drumahoe in County Derry flies paratroopers regiment flag on their lampposts that's is just as sick as falls Rd flying an isis flag

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By *andytownMan
over a year ago

Gods Own Country

I knew this would deteriorate into "whataboutery" and nonsense statements !!!

The lad is free to do what he wants as someone else has sacrificed their life for him and others to live in a democratic society......end of !!

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

for the love of god a footballer had a reason for not wearing a poppy. it doesnt have to become a debate on the british armed forces or on the political devide in northern ireland. its these sort of debates/arguments that are the reason why it will take years for the wounds of the north to heal

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Correct u only had to look at our politicians to realise that curry my yogurt omg

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A good friend of mine went to the Tower of London on Fri morn to see the poppy installation there with friends. She said it was very moving and the photo's she shared reflected that. She didn't want to leave or wear a red poppy but chose instead the white peace poppy. People have the right to choose what feels right for them and not to be forced to do something that goes against their conscience.

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By *urferniMan
over a year ago

Antrim

I proudly wear a poppy to remember all those of whatever religion, race, colour or creed who have fought to defend the rights of all of us to enjoy the freedom that we have today.

That includes anyone's right to chose NOT to wear a poppy. I don't know this footballer, but I support his choice, and having heard his intelligent, sensitive and fair letter explaining his reasons, have huge respect for him. That's what freedom is all about. Lest we forget

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I proudly wear a poppy to remember all those of whatever religion, race, colour or creed who have fought to defend the rights of all of us to enjoy the freedom that we have today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is he the guy who sang bye bye Miss American Pie?

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

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"Is he the guy who sang bye bye Miss American Pie?"

i think you have him mixed up with is brother there

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By *aterfordDomMan
over a year ago

waterford

It's his decision, he gave his reasons & that should be that.

exactly he wrote a letter to his employers outlining why.

People should respect his decision the same way people should respect the decision to wear it.

Agree laid..

Agree... no one should be made to wear or not wear it... it should be a persons choice

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By *imwildWoman
over a year ago

around

Isn't it sad that this story is classed as newsworthy and that a person has to justify their choice to strangers.

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By *urferniMan
over a year ago

Antrim

"Isn't it sad that this story is classed as newsworthy and that a person has to justify their choice to strangers. "

very sad. He should have the freedom to choose without fear of judgement and criticism from others

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Country we all live in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't it sad that this story is classed as newsworthy and that a person has to justify their choice to strangers. "

Not really Kim, he lives & works in a country where public figures are expected to stand together on certain issues, the paying supporters of his football club and his chairman wanted to know why. It also helps the public know that not everyone sees things the same way.

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By *imwildWoman
over a year ago

around

"Isn't it sad that this story is classed as newsworthy and that a person has to justify their choice to strangers.

I disagree. If it was an illegal act, yes, but a personal preference does not warrant a news headline considering the majority of people don't have the foggiest idea who he is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't it sad that this story is classed as newsworthy and that a person has to justify their choice to strangers.

I disagree. If it was an illegal act, yes, but a personal preference does not warrant a news headline considering the majority of people don't have the foggiest idea who he is. "

Is it a headline in the UK you're referring to?

The supporters of football in the UK would be interested & I'd imagine as he's been put in the spotlight & he's Irish, Irish people would be interested.

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By *imwildWoman
over a year ago

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"Isn't it sad that this story is classed as newsworthy and that a person has to justify their choice to strangers.

I disagree. If it was an illegal act, yes, but a personal preference does not warrant a news headline considering the majority of people don't have the foggiest idea who he is.

Is it a headline in the UK you're referring to?

The supporters of football in the UK would be interested & I'd imagine as he's been put in the spotlight & he's Irish, Irish people would be interested.

I'm not referring to any news headline.

I can't say if UK football supporters would be interested. Dont know what this has got to do with his ability in playing football. I'm Irish and I'm not interested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't it sad that this story is classed as newsworthy and that a person has to justify their choice to strangers.

I disagree. If it was an illegal act, yes, but a personal preference does not warrant a news headline considering the majority of people don't have the foggiest idea who he is.

Is it a headline in the UK you're referring to?

The supporters of football in the UK would be interested & I'd imagine as he's been put in the spotlight & he's Irish, Irish people would be interested.

I'm not referring to any news headline.

I can't say if UK football supporters would be interested. Dont know what this has got to do with his ability in playing football. I'm Irish and I'm not interested.

OK.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I'm interested

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh. Now I remember. That was Don McLean. Good song though

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