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"We going 2 end up paying it any way so do it correctly now 2 save problems in d future "That was what I was thinking as well. | |||
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"Sure if it came to a point where u had no choice but to pay then u'd be signing the pack and claiming ur discounts so don't do it now just cos ur worried bout extra charges " they are saying now when you dont do it by the end of the month you loose on the discounts so you have to pay full adults price for kids. | |||
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"Sure if it came to a point where u had no choice but to pay then u'd be signing the pack and claiming ur discounts so don't do it now just cos ur worried bout extra charges they are saying now when you dont do it by the end of the month you loose on the discounts so you to pay full adults price for kids." it will b like all other charges. Has to b done. People won't stick together and fight. Fill it up and pay up.else u will b drawing buckets from d Shannon lol | |||
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"No contract,no consent is the way to go.The legislation is not "watertight" "Section 23. (1) Irish Water may make an agreement with a customer for the charging of that customer for the provision of water services. (2) An agreement under this section (23) may include provision for— (a) a method of calculation of charges under section 21 in respect of the customer concerned that is different from that applicable to customers to whom an approved water charges plan applies, and (b) the application of rates of charge under that section in respect of the customer concerned that are different from those that apply to customers to whom an approved water charges plan applies." They can't just send you out a bill without your consent or agreement to be charged. They need an AGREEMENT between Irish Water and YOU. That sounds suspiciously like a contract right? Of course it is. And if you actually set up an agreement with Irish Water and later decide not to pay the charges... "Section 21 (4) Where a customer (who agrees an agreement of charges) fails to pay a charge under this section, it shall be recoverable by Irish Water as a simple CONTRACT debt in any court of competent jurisdiction." and what if you do not contract and do not pay if you do contract? "Section 21 (8) Irish Water shall not, by reason of a charge in respect of a dwelling being wholly or partly unpaid, discontinue the supply of water to that dwelling either temporarily or permanently."" ffs  | |||
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"Sure if it came to a point where u had no choice but to pay then u'd be signing the pack and claiming ur discounts so don't do it now just cos ur worried bout extra charges they are saying now when you dont do it by the end of the month you loose on the discounts so you to pay full adults price for kids.it will b like all other charges. Has to b done. People won't stick together and fight. Fill it up and pay up.else u will b drawing buckets from d Shannon lol "And you Gona smell a bit when they turn off your water  | |||
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"Sure if it came to a point where u had no choice but to pay then u'd be signing the pack and claiming ur discounts so don't do it now just cos ur worried bout extra charges they are saying now when you dont do it by the end of the month you loose on the discounts so you to pay full adults price for kids.it will b like all other charges. Has to b done. People won't stick together and fight. Fill it up and pay up.else u will b drawing buckets from d Shannon lol
And you Gona smell a bit when they turn off your water "lmfao | |||
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"No contract,no consent is the way to go.The legislation is not "watertight" "Section 23. (1) Irish Water may make an agreement with a customer for the charging of that customer for the provision of water services. (2) An agreement under this section (23) may include provision for— (a) a method of calculation of charges under section 21 in respect of the customer concerned that is different from that applicable to customers to whom an approved water charges plan applies, and (b) the application of rates of charge under that section in respect of the customer concerned that are different from those that apply to customers to whom an approved water charges plan applies." They can't just send you out a bill without your consent or agreement to be charged. They need an AGREEMENT between Irish Water and YOU. That sounds suspiciously like a contract right? Of course it is. And if you actually set up an agreement with Irish Water and later decide not to pay the charges... "Section 21 (4) Where a customer (who agrees an agreement of charges) fails to pay a charge under this section, it shall be recoverable by Irish Water as a simple CONTRACT debt in any court of competent jurisdiction." and what if you do not contract and do not pay if you do contract? "Section 21 (8) Irish Water shall not, by reason of a charge in respect of a dwelling being wholly or partly unpaid, discontinue the supply of water to that dwelling either temporarily or permanently.""  | |||
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"No contract,no consent is the way to go.The legislation is not "watertight" "Section 23. (1) Irish Water may make an agreement with a customer for the charging of that customer for the provision of water services. (2) An agreement under this section (23) may include provision for— (a) a method of calculation of charges under section 21 in respect of the customer concerned that is different from that applicable to customers to whom an approved water charges plan applies, and (b) the application of rates of charge under that section in respect of the customer concerned that are different from those that apply to customers to whom an approved water charges plan applies." They can't just send you out a bill without your consent or agreement to be charged. They need an AGREEMENT between Irish Water and YOU. That sounds suspiciously like a contract right? Of course it is. And if you actually set up an agreement with Irish Water and later decide not to pay the charges... "Section 21 (4) Where a customer (who agrees an agreement of charges) fails to pay a charge under this section, it shall be recoverable by Irish Water as a simple CONTRACT debt in any court of competent jurisdiction." and what if you do not contract and do not pay if you do contract? "Section 21 (8) Irish Water shall not, by reason of a charge in respect of a dwelling being wholly or partly unpaid, discontinue the supply of water to that dwelling either temporarily or permanently."" I had to ask him self to read it as I didn't understand it.  | |||
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"No contract,no consent is the way to go.The legislation is not "watertight" "Section 23. (1) Irish Water may make an agreement with a customer for the charging of that customer for the provision of water services. (2) An agreement under this section (23) may include provision for— (a) a method of calculation of charges under section 21 in respect of the customer concerned that is different from that applicable to customers to whom an approved water charges plan applies, and (b) the application of rates of charge under that section in respect of the customer concerned that are different from those that apply to customers to whom an approved water charges plan applies." They can't just send you out a bill without your consent or agreement to be charged. They need an AGREEMENT between Irish Water and YOU. That sounds suspiciously like a contract right? Of course it is. And if you actually set up an agreement with Irish Water and later decide not to pay the charges... "Section 21 (4) Where a customer (who agrees an agreement of charges) fails to pay a charge under this section, it shall be recoverable by Irish Water as a simple CONTRACT debt in any court of competent jurisdiction." and what if you do not contract and do not pay if you do contract? "Section 21 (8) Irish Water shall not, by reason of a charge in respect of a dwelling being wholly or partly unpaid, discontinue the supply of water to that dwelling either temporarily or permanently." I had to ask him self to read it as I didn't understand it. "yeah he can explain it 2 me also lol | |||
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"800000 have returned their forms marked no contract no consent. And they cannot turn off your water. I think anyone filling out the forms at this stage is foolish. So many wrongs with the process. " 2 wrongs don't make a right!!!!!!!!! | |||
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"800000 have returned their forms marked no contract no consent. And they cannot turn off your water. I think anyone filling out the forms at this stage is foolish. So many wrongs with the process. 2 wrongs don't make a right!!!!!!!!!" Reread the word I used was 'so'... And agreeing to something wrong is so much better!! Yes??  | |||
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Irish water have said they won't be turning people's water off, just reducing it to a trickle.
The above "extract" reminds me of the stuff that was floating about before the property tax came in. That was nonsense though. The forms sent out have nothing to do with signing a contract. | |||
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"Section 23 and 21 of what?
Irish water have said they won't be turning people's water off, just reducing it to a trickle.
The above "extract" reminds me of the stuff that was floating about before the property tax came in. That was nonsense though. The forms sent out have nothing to do with signing a contract. "Correction. Irish water are only a billing company at this stage and do not have the means or right to turn off or turn down the flow of water. They have no process in place at present to deal with you not filling out the forms. And you can't compare a charge to a tax. | |||
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"Water services bill 2014.It is not the same as the property tax.Irish Water is a private company.you must consent to a contract of payment by filling in the pack which has been posted to you if you wish to pay.At present and up to this point,water services have been paid thru current taxation methods,household rates.The cost of this to the state is € 1.2 billion.This is broken down,roughly at,1 billion paid by householders and .2 by business. 2 web pages and facebook pages which I am involved with ,will give you a forum to oppose these charges are as follows,"Tiger Reborn" and "Call for a Revolution Ireland".Both of these were set up in the aftermath of the banking guarantee,to question the decision and structure of bank bailouts and payments by the government to bondholders. "A fool and his money are easily parted" " I wasn't going to pay, and then i was, and now i'm totally confused again. Are there really NO repercussions down the line for not signing? Is there a chance that people looking for college grants etc will be turned down on the basis that they haven't paid their water charges? Or are they completely separate bodies with no influence over each other? | |||
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"Nope. The form sent to all houses is a "water services allowances application form" not a contract for supply of water. If you want the allowances you fill out the form. If you don't fill out the form you don't get the allowances. It is not a contract document. " And if you do fill it out, are you agreeing to pay? I'm so confused | |||
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"Nope. The form sent to all houses is a "water services allowances application form" not a contract for supply of water. If you want the allowances you fill out the form. If you don't fill out the form you don't get the allowances. It is not a contract document. And if you do fill it out, are you agreeing to pay? I'm so confused "The form is simply an application for allowances. If you don't want the allowances, children etc, don't fill it out. | |||
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"Water services bill 2014.It is not the same as the property tax.Irish Water is a private company.you must consent to a contract of payment by filling in the pack which has been posted to you if you wish to pay.At present and up to this point,water services have been paid thru current taxation methods,household rates.The cost of this to the state is € 1.2 billion.This is broken down,roughly at,1 billion paid by householders and .2 by business. 2 web pages and facebook pages which I am involved with ,will give you a forum to oppose these charges are as follows,"Tiger Reborn" and "Call for a Revolution Ireland".Both of these were set up in the aftermath of the banking guarantee,to question the decision and structure of bank bailouts and payments by the government to bondholders. "A fool and his money are easily parted" " I'm following both of these pages,they are fantastic! | |||
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"Water services bill 2014.It is not the same as the property tax.Irish Water is a private company.you must consent to a contract of payment by filling in the pack which has been posted to you if you wish to pay.At present and up to this point,water services have been paid thru current taxation methods,household rates.The cost of this to the state is € 1.2 billion.This is broken down,roughly at,1 billion paid by householders and .2 by business. 2 web pages and facebook pages which I am involved with ,will give you a forum to oppose these charges are as follows,"Tiger Reborn" and "Call for a Revolution Ireland".Both of these were set up in the aftermath of the banking guarantee,to question the decision and structure of bank bailouts and payments by the government to bondholders. "A fool and his money are easily parted" I'm following both of these pages,they are fantastic! "If they're telling you that form is a contract document then as well as being fantastic, they're incorrect! | |||
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"Water services bill 2014.It is not the same as the property tax.Irish Water is a private company.you must consent to a contract of payment by filling in the pack which has been posted to you if you wish to pay.At present and up to this point,water services have been paid thru current taxation methods,household rates.The cost of this to the state is € 1.2 billion.This is broken down,roughly at,1 billion paid by householders and .2 by business. 2 web pages and facebook pages which I am involved with ,will give you a forum to oppose these charges are as follows,"Tiger Reborn" and "Call for a Revolution Ireland".Both of these were set up in the aftermath of the banking guarantee,to question the decision and structure of bank bailouts and payments by the government to bondholders. "A fool and his money are easily parted" I'm following both of these pages,they are fantastic!
If they're telling you that form is a contract document then as well as being fantastic, they're incorrect! "No they don't!  | |||
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"Water services bill 2014.It is not the same as the property tax.Irish Water is a private company.you must consent to a contract of payment by filling in the pack which has been posted to you if you wish to pay.At present and up to this point,water services have been paid thru current taxation methods,household rates.The cost of this to the state is € 1.2 billion.This is broken down,roughly at,1 billion paid by householders and .2 by business. 2 web pages and facebook pages which I am involved with ,will give you a forum to oppose these charges are as follows,"Tiger Reborn" and "Call for a Revolution Ireland".Both of these were set up in the aftermath of the banking guarantee,to question the decision and structure of bank bailouts and payments by the government to bondholders. "A fool and his money are easily parted" I'm following both of these pages,they are fantastic!
If they're telling you that form is a contract document then as well as being fantastic, they're incorrect! "In my personal opinion,as a citizen of a republic,which is supposed to have a Government in place to care for and protect it's people with it's own laws.The formation of "Irish Water" was foisted upon our Government by the "Troika" under threats of bankrupting the state,by limiting the availability of credit to the Department of Finance. The idea of returning the documents unopened or opened and resealed,is to show your disagreement with being charged by a private company for a public service. | |||
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"Water services bill 2014.It is not the same as the property tax.Irish Water is a private company.you must consent to a contract of payment by filling in the pack which has been posted to you if you wish to pay.At present and up to this point,water services have been paid thru current taxation methods,household rates.The cost of this to the state is € 1.2 billion.This is broken down,roughly at,1 billion paid by householders and .2 by business. 2 web pages and facebook pages which I am involved with ,will give you a forum to oppose these charges are as follows,"Tiger Reborn" and "Call for a Revolution Ireland".Both of these were set up in the aftermath of the banking guarantee,to question the decision and structure of bank bailouts and payments by the government to bondholders. "A fool and his money are easily parted" I'm following both of these pages,they are fantastic!
If they're telling you that form is a contract document then as well as being fantastic, they're incorrect! In my personal opinion,as a citizen of a republic,which is supposed to have a Government in place to care for and protect it's people with it's own laws.The formation of "Irish Water" was foisted upon our Government by the "Troika" under threats of bankrupting the state,by limiting the availability of credit to the Department of Finance.
The idea of returning the documents unopened or opened and resealed,is to show your disagreement with being charged by a private company for a public service. "I cab see the lads in head office rubbing their hands in glee already.. "Woohoo, nobody applied for allowances! More money for Irish Water!" | |||
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"Confused myself over it now I already pay €90 per year for special salt to run a water softener and have water charges now on top of that to fork out people in hard water areas should be exempt you can't drink the water where I live without getting the trots "I remember that happening to me up the country a few years back in an area that was under a boiled water notice, the guy in the hotel bar where I was saying was telling me not to drink the water from the tap because of that, then after a night out I had half a pint of water and went to the tap without thinking, i wasn't feeling the best afterwards to say the least. | |||
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"Confused myself over it now I already pay €90 per year for special salt to run a water softener and have water charges now on top of that to fork out people in hard water areas should be exempt you can't drink the water where I live without getting the trots
I remember that happening to me up the country a few years back in an area that was under a boiled water notice, the guy in the hotel bar where I was saying was telling me not to drink the water from the tap because of that, then after a night out I had half a pint of water and went to the tap without thinking, i wasn't feeling the best afterwards to say the least."Are you sure it was the water and not the pints? | |||
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"Water services bill 2014.It is not the same as the property tax.Irish Water is a private company.you must consent to a contract of payment by filling in the pack which has been posted to you if you wish to pay.At present and up to this point,water services have been paid thru current taxation methods,household rates.The cost of this to the state is € 1.2 billion.This is broken down,roughly at,1 billion paid by householders and .2 by business. 2 web pages and facebook pages which I am involved with ,will give you a forum to oppose these charges are as follows,"Tiger Reborn" and "Call for a Revolution Ireland".Both of these were set up in the aftermath of the banking guarantee,to question the decision and structure of bank bailouts and payments by the government to bondholders. "A fool and his money are easily parted" I'm following both of these pages,they are fantastic!
If they're telling you that form is a contract document then as well as being fantastic, they're incorrect! In my personal opinion,as a citizen of a republic,which is supposed to have a Government in place to care for and protect it's people with it's own laws.The formation of "Irish Water" was foisted upon our Government by the "Troika" under threats of bankrupting the state,by limiting the availability of credit to the Department of Finance.
The idea of returning the documents unopened or opened and resealed,is to show your disagreement with being charged by a private company for a public service.
I cab see the lads in head office rubbing their hands in glee already.. "Woohoo, nobody applied for allowances! More money for Irish Water!" "They might be better off ,polishing up their CV's.I will not under any circumstances be paying 1 cent to a shower of chancers. The Government is more than likely employing barristers at a cost to the state as we speak,to try to shore up the flaws in the decision to initiate the formation of "Irish Water". I personally have no shame in presenting myself to the courts to argue this case,I've done it before in other matters and have won the cases,as have other members of this site. We as a member state of a fledgling European Union must stand up and be counted,the Union was set up after the second world war to facilitate cohesion of trade and passage for it's members.It was not set up to become a federal,cumbersome,intransigent feudal superior,which forces it's members to accept decisions without proper consultation and voting via referendum | |||
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"Water services bill 2014.It is not the same as the property tax.Irish Water is a private company.you must consent to a contract of payment by filling in the pack which has been posted to you if you wish to pay.At present and up to this point,water services have been paid thru current taxation methods,household rates.The cost of this to the state is € 1.2 billion.This is broken down,roughly at,1 billion paid by householders and .2 by business. 2 web pages and facebook pages which I am involved with ,will give you a forum to oppose these charges are as follows,"Tiger Reborn" and "Call for a Revolution Ireland".Both of these were set up in the aftermath of the banking guarantee,to question the decision and structure of bank bailouts and payments by the government to bondholders. "A fool and his money are easily parted" I'm following both of these pages,they are fantastic!
If they're telling you that form is a contract document then as well as being fantastic, they're incorrect! In my personal opinion,as a citizen of a republic,which is supposed to have a Government in place to care for and protect it's people with it's own laws.The formation of "Irish Water" was foisted upon our Government by the "Troika" under threats of bankrupting the state,by limiting the availability of credit to the Department of Finance.
The idea of returning the documents unopened or opened and resealed,is to show your disagreement with being charged by a private company for a public service.
I cab see the lads in head office rubbing their hands in glee already.. "Woohoo, nobody applied for allowances! More money for Irish Water!" They might be better off ,polishing up their CV's.I will not under any circumstances be paying 1 cent to a shower of chancers.
The Government is more than likely employing barristers at a cost to the state as we speak,to try to shore up the flaws in the decision to initiate the formation of "Irish Water". I personally have no shame in presenting myself to the courts to argue this case,I've done it before in other matters and have won the cases,as have other members of this site.
We as a member state of a fledgling European Union must stand up and be counted,the Union was set up after the second world war to facilitate cohesion of trade and passage for it's members.It was not set up to become a federal,cumbersome,intransigent feudal superior,which forces it's members to accept decisions without proper consultation and voting via referendum
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"Personal choice I suppose but I don't intend on ever paying it so I'm an active protester. I tend to wonder are these warnings just scare tactics. " People tried that with the property tax. Didn't work out well for them  | |||
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"Water services bill 2014.It is not the same as the property tax.Irish Water is a private company.you must consent to a contract of payment by filling in the pack which has been posted to you if you wish to pay.At present and up to this point,water services have been paid thru current taxation methods,household rates.The cost of this to the state is € 1.2 billion.This is broken down,roughly at,1 billion paid by householders and .2 by business. 2 web pages and facebook pages which I am involved with ,will give you a forum to oppose these charges are as follows,"Tiger Reborn" and "Call for a Revolution Ireland".Both of these were set up in the aftermath of the banking guarantee,to question the decision and structure of bank bailouts and payments by the government to bondholders. "A fool and his money are easily parted" I'm following both of these pages,they are fantastic!
If they're telling you that form is a contract document then as well as being fantastic, they're incorrect! In my personal opinion,as a citizen of a republic,which is supposed to have a Government in place to care for and protect it's people with it's own laws.The formation of "Irish Water" was foisted upon our Government by the "Troika" under threats of bankrupting the state,by limiting the availability of credit to the Department of Finance.
The idea of returning the documents unopened or opened and resealed,is to show your disagreement with being charged by a private company for a public service.
I cab see the lads in head office rubbing their hands in glee already.. "Woohoo, nobody applied for allowances! More money for Irish Water!" They might be better off ,polishing up their CV's.I will not under any circumstances be paying 1 cent to a shower of chancers.
The Government is more than likely employing barristers at a cost to the state as we speak,to try to shore up the flaws in the decision to initiate the formation of "Irish Water". I personally have no shame in presenting myself to the courts to argue this case,I've done it before in other matters and have won the cases,as have other members of this site.
We as a member state of a fledgling European Union must stand up and be counted,the Union was set up after the second world war to facilitate cohesion of trade and passage for it's members.It was not set up to become a federal,cumbersome,intransigent feudal superior,which forces it's members to accept decisions without proper consultation and voting via referendum
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"Looking at this thread makes me realise why we have the government we have! If we would all agree to stick together, we would have our Republic back! We are a divided country...I despair for the kids! "You can tell how people voted in 2011 just from reading this thread? Wow! | |||
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"Why are they looking for PPS no's.I think if you give them your PPS then people who refuse to pay will have the payments taken at source from your salary. " they cant take it from salary as there a private company and dont have the authority to do so | |||
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"Why are they looking for PPS no's.I think if you give them your PPS then people who refuse to pay will have the payments taken at source from your salary. they cant take it from salary as there a private company and dont have the authority to do so " if you do give them ur pps no and if the company is sold on they can give your details to third parties | |||
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"Looking at this thread makes me realise why we have the government we have! If we would all agree to stick together, we would have our Republic back! We are a divided country...I despair for the kids! "Do you really expect a few million people to have the same opinion on something? | |||
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"Looking at this thread makes me realise why we have the government we have! If we would all agree to stick together, we would have our Republic back! We are a divided country...I despair for the kids!
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"Looking at this thread makes me realise why we have the government we have! If we would all agree to stick together, we would have our Republic back! We are a divided country...I despair for the kids!
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"I filled the form out for the allowances but there is no signature box so it can't be a contract and I didn't fill the direct debit mandate so I'll pay when I choose not when they decide to take it out my account. " section F Declaration is the contract, where if you tick the box, you are, amongst other things, confirming that you are liable for water charges at the premises in question. | |||
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"I filled the form out for the allowances but there is no signature box so it can't be a contract and I didn't fill the direct debit mandate so I'll pay when I choose not when they decide to take it out my account. section F Declaration is the contract, where if you tick the box, you are, amongst other things, confirming that you are liable for water charges at the premises in question. " Well you're confirming that you're connected to a public water or sewage system. If that forms a contract, then not ticking the box it will solve the problem? Not quite. I've never yet met a contract where a tick in a box carries the same weight as a signature. The problem is not whether you "sign a contract" or not, but more that the supplier of your water has changed from the local authority to the new and rather expensive body known as Irish Water. Not applying for the allowances makes no difference to that situation, and telling people it does is only fooling them. The bills will come anyway, and they might even be bigger as a result of not claiming the allowances. Whether you pay the bills or not is the only real issue here. The only way the problem will be solved is by voting in a party that says it will abolish water charges in the next general election which is most likely going to be in early 2016. | |||
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"I filled the form out for the allowances but there is no signature box so it can't be a contract and I didn't fill the direct debit mandate so I'll pay when I choose not when they decide to take it out my account. section F Declaration is the contract, where if you tick the box, you are, amongst other things, confirming that you are liable for water charges at the premises in question. Well you're confirming that you're connected to a public water or sewage system. If that forms a contract, then not ticking the box it will solve the problem? Not quite. I've never yet met a contract where a tick in a box carries the same weight as a signature. The problem is not whether you "sign a contract" or not, but more that the supplier of your water has changed from the local authority to the new and rather expensive body known as Irish Water. Not applying for the allowances makes no difference to that situation, and telling people it does is only fooling them. The bills will come anyway, and they might even be bigger as a result of not claiming the allowances. Whether you pay the bills or not is the only real issue here. The only way the problem will be solved is by voting in a party that says it will abolish water charges in the next general election which is most likely going to be in early 2016." My only point was that the declaration is the contract regarding your responsiblity to pay for the water, something the previous poster missed. As for a contract requiring a signature, not true, an agreement by confirming statements of fact also counts. Many insurance contracts work this way as well as opposed to requiring a signature... | |||
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"god sake if we give in to this where will it stop we are already paying for water through taxes on our cars and on petrol we have paid millions since 1990 when they increased taxes on petrol and road tax I for one will be in Dublin next Saturday protesting with all the other people that care and not just talking about it if we get the water charges abolished or even put back in the councils hands out or this so called private company iw good and well if not at least we tried " | |||
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"Looking at this thread makes me realise why we have the government we have! If we would all agree to stick together, we would have our Republic back! We are a divided country...I despair for the kids!
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"Europe didnt force this on us, our own government did. They could have sold the debt, they had offers for it all, but their friends would have all lost their jobs. Every multinational and government run company would have had their management staff replaced. That was what was put on the table "we will buy your debt, replace the management, and the company will comply with how we do things on the international stage from now on". Ireland is ranked as an african country for corruption. Forcing multinationals to put Irish people they chose on the boards, getting friends and supporters jobs inside them companies. Business men flying to new york, meeting the taoiseach, buying the company that got the contract for water meters before it was announced the charges would be brought out. These water charges are not a tax, you agree to them by sending the form off. The breaks for children are decided by the government not the billing agency so they cant revoke them because you haven't agreed to pay. The government wants us to think we have to fill these in, and is letting the company lie to us, but its all rubbish, they could in theory cut you off, but 800,000 people? come on. I also think it would be unconstitutional or them to cut your water off as its needed for life. In theory the Irish Army should stop someone from not allowing you to drink water in Ireland. The sad thing is, most people in Ireland wont stand up. Our history books tell us we fought to be free of Britain, but we didnt, we fought for rights, rights of the poor, the working class, rights that the current government is threading on, and if we were not all brain washed in school into hating britain, and not the acts the british did instead, we would see our government for what they are. They are in some cases as bad as what we wanted to free ourselves from." I agree with a lot of what you wrote here, however you might be surprised to hear that we are currently ranked 21 (out of 177 countries) on transparency international's corruption index for 2014 (1 being the least corrupt). http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/ | |||
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"Europe didnt force this on us, our own government did. They could have sold the debt, they had offers for it all, but their friends would have all lost their jobs. Every multinational and government run company would have had their management staff replaced. That was what was put on the table "we will buy your debt, replace the management, and the company will comply with how we do things on the international stage from now on". Ireland is ranked as an african country for corruption. Forcing multinationals to put Irish people they chose on the boards, getting friends and supporters jobs inside them companies. Business men flying to new york, meeting the taoiseach, buying the company that got the contract for water meters before it was announced the charges would be brought out. These water charges are not a tax, you agree to them by sending the form off. The breaks for children are decided by the government not the billing agency so they cant revoke them because you haven't agreed to pay. The government wants us to think we have to fill these in, and is letting the company lie to us, but its all rubbish, they could in theory cut you off, but 800,000 people? come on. I also think it would be unconstitutional or them to cut your water off as its needed for life. In theory the Irish Army should stop someone from not allowing you to drink water in Ireland. The sad thing is, most people in Ireland wont stand up. Our history books tell us we fought to be free of Britain, but we didnt, we fought for rights, rights of the poor, the working class, rights that the current government is threading on, and if we were not all brain washed in school into hating britain, and not the acts the british did instead, we would see our government for what they are. They are in some cases as bad as what we wanted to free ourselves from. I agree with a lot of what you wrote here, however you might be surprised to hear that we are currently ranked 21 (out of 177 countries) on transparency international's corruption index for 2014 (1 being the least corrupt). http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/ " That's not half bad | |||
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"Europe didnt force this on us, our own government did. They could have sold the debt, they had offers for it all, but their friends would have all lost their jobs. Every multinational and government run company would have had their management staff replaced. That was what was put on the table "we will buy your debt, replace the management, and the company will comply with how we do things on the international stage from now on". Ireland is ranked as an african country for corruption. Forcing multinationals to put Irish people they chose on the boards, getting friends and supporters jobs inside them companies. Business men flying to new york, meeting the taoiseach, buying the company that got the contract for water meters before it was announced the charges would be brought out. These water charges are not a tax, you agree to them by sending the form off. The breaks for children are decided by the government not the billing agency so they cant revoke them because you haven't agreed to pay. The government wants us to think we have to fill these in, and is letting the company lie to us, but its all rubbish, they could in theory cut you off, but 800,000 people? come on. I also think it would be unconstitutional or them to cut your water off as its needed for life. In theory the Irish Army should stop someone from not allowing you to drink water in Ireland. The sad thing is, most people in Ireland wont stand up. Our history books tell us we fought to be free of Britain, but we didnt, we fought for rights, rights of the poor, the working class, rights that the current government is threading on, and if we were not all brain washed in school into hating britain, and not the acts the british did instead, we would see our government for what they are. They are in some cases as bad as what we wanted to free ourselves from. I agree with a lot of what you wrote here, however you might be surprised to hear that we are currently ranked 21 (out of 177 countries) on transparency international's corruption index for 2014 (1 being the least corrupt). http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/ That's not half bad "We scored 69... yes I had a little snigger to myself when I saw that   | |||
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"So who is going to the protest in Dublin on the 11th??????" I'll be there with some work mates, strength in numbers. | |||
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