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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country

May we see such traits tomorrow and beyond on the 12th day of July.

Walk in peace and protest in peace .... Respect each other's cultures and traditions .

And have a group hug.....And finger at the end of the day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WoW,never knew 3rd place of the World Cup could mean so much.

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By *ilderMan
over a year ago

dublin


"WoW,never knew 3rd place of the World Cup could mean so much. "

ahh that's what he's on about, thanks for clarifying that for me, no wonder I'd not got a clue, soccer bores me to tears! Well enjoy anyway...

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


"May we see such traits tomorrow and beyond on the 12th day of July.

Walk in peace and protest in peace .... Respect each other's cultures and traditions .

And have a group hug.....And finger at the end of the day

"

It's all good, although I'm not sure I want to be fingered!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"May we see such traits tomorrow and beyond on the 12th day of July.

Walk in peace and protest in peace .... Respect each other's cultures and traditions .

And have a group hug.....And finger at the end of the day

It's all good, although I'm not sure I want to be fingered! "

You do,and you know you do lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm partying tomorrow so there'll be no football or politics - guaranteed respect and tolerance then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Randy you know the factions can't behave they save up all their energy all year for this so they can show their true colours. And the full moon will mean the nutters will be out in force too

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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country


"Randy you know the factions can't behave they save up all their energy all year for this so they can show their true colours. And the full moon will mean the nutters will be out in force too"

I for one won't , and I know my ilk won't Georgiana....

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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country


"I'm partying tomorrow so there'll be no football or politics - guaranteed respect and tolerance then "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am painting Zacks room tomorrow green

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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country


"I am painting Zacks room tomorrow green "

Apple or Mint ??

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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country


"I am painting Zacks room tomorrow green "

Highest colours in a lodge lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jelly bean, he wants a jungle theme bedroom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Over in Belfast for a wonderful weekend once again but just have to say the colour green is not and never has been the highest colour in the Orange Order

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are racist bigots who live in the past. Time for them to move on and/or move out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

tbh theres not much respect in burning 'the other sides' flag on top of a bonfire , just sayin'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"tbh theres not much respect in burning 'the other sides' flag on top of a bonfire , just sayin'"

Too true. Or hiking up the drums and louder when passing the scene of a previous mass murder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"tbh theres not much respect in burning 'the other sides' flag on top of a bonfire , just sayin'

Too true. Or hiking up the drums and louder when passing the scene of a previous mass murder. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"tbh theres not much respect in burning 'the other sides' flag on top of a bonfire , just sayin'"

It is not all one sided, they are protesting against not being able to fly the national flag of the country in the capital of the country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i saw a bonie on the way home tonight that had anna lo's campaign poster tied to it, these people have respect for noone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you's actually knew what you's were talking about instead of the crap you are feed by the media I might agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"tbh theres not much respect in burning 'the other sides' flag on top of a bonfire , just sayin'

It is not all one sided, they are protesting against not being able to fly the national flag of the country in the capital of the country"

they have been burning the tricolor for years, this is nothing new.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you's actually knew what you's were talking about instead of the crap you are feed by the media I might agree"

ive lived in belfast my whole life i can think for myself dont need the media to tell me anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i saw a bonie on the way home tonight that had anna lo's campaign poster tied to it, these people have respect for noone."

Well she did have the view that we should all be a united ireland so what does she expect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also I am a protestant , was brought up around that propoganda bullshit so I think I do know what Im talking about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was also brought up during the troubles too and there are faults in both sides don't put it all on one side

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well we will agree to disagree not wanting to get into an argument about it, I know what I believe and I don't think these public disturbances every year help anything in getting people to live together side by side in northern ireland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well we will agree to disagree not wanting to get into an argument about it, I know what I believe and I don't think these public disturbances every year help anything in getting people to live together side by side in northern ireland."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My grand father was a first responder medic during the troubles and I have been at quite a few bomb sites, not many if them were planted by the loyalist side

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well we will agree to disagree not wanting to get into an argument about it, I know what I believe and I don't think these public disturbances every year help anything in getting people to live together side by side in northern ireland."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My grand father was a first responder medic during the troubles and I have been at quite a few bomb sites, not many if them were planted by the loyalist side "

well I also have first hand experience myself, and I still cant see how anyone can justify how a lot of loyalists act around the 12th, its pure intimidation, anyway I'll say no more, not my fight, I prefer to ignore the crap this time of year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well we will agree to disagree not wanting to get into an argument about it, I know what I believe and I don't think these public disturbances every year help anything in getting people to live together side by side in northern ireland."

I would agree again if it was one sided, but the Hibernians are able to March each year through Protestant areas without hassle. For one day in a whole year you would think they would do what the Protestants do and let it pass

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about the ku klux clan flag flying up there recently??

The day will come when tri-colour will fly the highest again up there in her native land. There's plenty of room for union jacks and marching in Scotland. About time they went back home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My grand father was a first responder medic during the troubles and I have been at quite a few bomb sites, not many if them were planted by the loyalist side

well I also have first hand experience myself, and I still cant see how anyone can justify how a lot of loyalists act around the 12th, its pure intimidation, anyway I'll say no more, not my fight, I prefer to ignore the crap this time of year."

It is a parade in rememberance of a battle that happened centuries ago in this country, it is not intimidation, it is a parade, many of the tunes played are hymns fair enough there are the factions, but like in the rest of Northern Ireland it is a minority that causes the trouble

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about the ku klux clan flag flying up there recently??

The day will come when tri-colour will fly the highest again up there in her native land. There's plenty of room for union jacks and marching in Scotland. About time they went back home. "

Northern Ireland is British not southern Irish. The south could not afford the north

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My grand father was a first responder medic during the troubles and I have been at quite a few bomb sites, not many if them were planted by the loyalist side

well I also have first hand experience myself, and I still cant see how anyone can justify how a lot of loyalists act around the 12th, its pure intimidation, anyway I'll say no more, not my fight, I prefer to ignore the crap this time of year.

It is a parade in rememberance of a battle that happened centuries ago in this country, it is not intimidation, it is a parade, many of the tunes played are hymns fair enough there are the factions, but like in the rest of Northern Ireland it is a minority that causes the trouble"

seriously? and im the one who believes the crap ? lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its a lovely stinkin mess they leave behind them after they've finished supporting the marches as well, absolutely stinking the lisburn road is, what respect does that show to their home?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about the ku klux clan flag flying up there recently??

The day will come when tri-colour will fly the highest again up there in her native land. There's plenty of room for union jacks and marching in Scotland. About time they went back home.

Northern Ireland is British not southern Irish. The south could not afford the north"

If they fucked the racist bigots back home to Scotland where they came from there'd be no problems. Pick up a map and look at it, the island of ireland the whole island. The job is not complete but it will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you know my kids asked me today what the 12th was and what did it all mean....unlike myself who grew up in Belfast in the thick of the troubles....i smiled to myself and thought if theres one thing ive done right its my kids not knowing about any of this crap...no matter what religion!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My grand father was a first responder medic during the troubles and I have been at quite a few bomb sites, not many if them were planted by the loyalist side

well I also have first hand experience myself, and I still cant see how anyone can justify how a lot of loyalists act around the 12th, its pure intimidation, anyway I'll say no more, not my fight, I prefer to ignore the crap this time of year.

It is a parade in rememberance of a battle that happened centuries ago in this country, it is not intimidation, it is a parade, many of the tunes played are hymns fair enough there are the factions, but like in the rest of Northern Ireland it is a minority that causes the trouble

seriously? and im the one who believes the crap ? lol "

Both my dad and grandfather were in the orange order, they went to church and paraded for years, we seen it as a part of Northern Irish tradition. Protestant and Catholics alike joined in on the eleventh night fun with a big street party and all stood side by side on the twelfth watching the bands and looked out for family and friends in the parades. We were not brought up to hate the other side we were encouraged to except people for what they are not what church the went too. I was brought up a Protestant, but don't class myself as either now. I see the 11th and 12th as a part of Northern Ireland history that brings quite a bit I. In tourism each year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh this is going to heat up a little and as it's the silly season instead of popcorn it's marshmallows cooked on a fire. Now who's got the sofa till I sit back and enjoy this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about the ku klux clan flag flying up there recently??

The day will come when tri-colour will fly the highest again up there in her native land. There's plenty of room for union jacks and marching in Scotland. About time they went back home.

Northern Ireland is British not southern Irish. The south could not afford the north

If they fucked the racist bigots back home to Scotland where they came from there'd be no problems. Pick up a map and look at it, the island of ireland the whole island. The job is not complete but it will. "

I have a map up on the back of my living room door, one of England, one of Ireland and the world map to teach my kids about the world, I was born in Northern Ireland and my family has been traced back 850 years on one side and 600 years on the other side so I am Irish through and through, I am also a British citizen and wish to remain that way, it is people like you's who cause a lot if the troubles up here. If they took a vote to ask if we wanted a united Ireland believe me the bulk of the people would want to remain as part of Britain. The bulk of the employed in the north are in the civil service and all of these would be made unemployed if the British moved out. The Protestants are not all Scottish decent just remember that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh this is going to heat up a little and as it's the silly season instead of popcorn it's marshmallows cooked on a fire. Now who's got the sofa till I sit back and enjoy this "

Come to mine lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I flat out tonight I'm the official bonfire lighter for province. Bit like Santa except with a spark wait bo peep matches lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just don't get your fingers burned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh from the other thread .... I may be a wee innocent boy but feck my fingers are fast lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you know my kids asked me today what the 12th was and what did it all mean....unlike myself who grew up in Belfast in the thick of the troubles....i smiled to myself and thought if theres one thing ive done right its my kids not knowing about any of this crap...no matter what religion!! "

Can't help to respect that

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"Do you know my kids asked me today what the 12th was and what did it all mean....unlike myself who grew up in Belfast in the thick of the troubles....i smiled to myself and thought if theres one thing ive done right its my kids not knowing about any of this crap...no matter what religion!! "

well said !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you know my kids asked me today what the 12th was and what did it all mean....unlike myself who grew up in Belfast in the thick of the troubles....i smiled to myself and thought if theres one thing ive done right its my kids not knowing about any of this crap...no matter what religion!!

Can't help to respect that "

Religion is rarely mentioned in my house, and my kids just think that the matches are just a parade like their scouts parade on st George's day or the rememberance day, it is just something that happens

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you know my kids asked me today what the 12th was and what did it all mean....unlike myself who grew up in Belfast in the thick of the troubles....i smiled to myself and thought if theres one thing ive done right its my kids not knowing about any of this crap...no matter what religion!! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you know my kids asked me today what the 12th was and what did it all mean....unlike myself who grew up in Belfast in the thick of the troubles....i smiled to myself and thought if theres one thing ive done right its my kids not knowing about any of this crap...no matter what religion!!

Can't help to respect that

Religion is rarely mentioned in my house, and my kids just think that the matches are just a parade like their scouts parade on st George's day or the rememberance day, it is just something that happens "

Tbh, all I noticed on this tread was the words,"bigots",mass murder, and send them back" came from a person from the south. Who,no doubt has no life experience of either culture,some things never change now do they.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And it isnt being a bigot saying send them home to scotland?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you know my kids asked me today what the 12th was and what did it all mean....unlike myself who grew up in Belfast in the thick of the troubles....i smiled to myself and thought if theres one thing ive done right its my kids not knowing about any of this crap...no matter what religion!!

Can't help to respect that

Religion is rarely mentioned in my house, and my kids just think that the matches are just a parade like their scouts parade on st George's day or the rememberance day, it is just something that happens

Tbh, all I noticed on this tread was the words,"bigots",mass murder, and send them back" came from a person from the south. Who,no doubt has no life experience of either culture,some things never change now do they. "

That is true, most of my generation want peace and left alone in our country Northern Ireland this fight is old but I have been told lately if a few things that are happening in the Belfast area that would open your eyes to even young children getting victimised it is so unfair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And it isnt being a bigot saying send them home to scotland?"

We are born and brought up in Northern Ireland and not Scottish in the slightest so why would we go to Scotland. Their have been Protestants living in this country for centuries my family name is Ryan the Ryan's of Sligo and they date back 850 years so don't tell me to go home I am home

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Used to work on the door in town, worked at a bar that decided to open 12th night not far from shaftesbury square.... We looked at the cctv from the day, numerous pussies of all shapes and sizes displayed pissing at the back of the bar during the day - i respect them and was very tolerant of their behaviour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didnt mean you were a bigot i ment the guy who said send all the prods to scotland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I didnt mean you were a bigot i ment the guy who said send all the prods to scotland. "

That's ok I just can't stand people who have been taught one sided history commenting on what goes one up north. When I moved home from England six years ago I took my boys to their first twelfth parade in Ballyclare it was a big famy get together and the bands on the way back from the field all had dressed up in costumes some Indians, some cowboys and even a band of elvises it was like a carneval and was great fun. My eight year old still remembers it and he was only a year and nine months. I have never made it about religion and never will

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Used to work on the door in town, worked at a bar that decided to open 12th night not far from shaftesbury square.... We looked at the cctv from the day, numerous pussies of all shapes and sizes displayed pissing at the back of the bar during the day - i respect them and was very tolerant of their behaviour "

Lol sounds like any Saturday night in banterville they even thought about putting special wheelie bin in the streets to piss into

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only way forward is to stop all parades on both sides integrated schools and housing it's the older generation ruining the young blood my best friend from work lived 5 minutes from my house for 25 years and we are mates now doesn't that sound pathetic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all a load of one upmanship bollocks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not really, you found each other when you were ment too. I have had a catholic friend from we were 6months old and we still chat most days, and other friends I have had only a few years and we are close now too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the principle of the divide robbed us of 25 years friendship it's pathetic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's the principle of the divide robbed us of 25 years friendship it's pathetic"

True, I just don't see why people can't just except others for what they are and not what church they go to.

I agree take religion out of all schools and have one school system for all, a lot of the hatred is from past generations and teachings from school

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's frustrating is that the politicians shitstir for votes in an assembly that does nothing. And it's the working class uneducated idiots that riot get arrested and a criminal record

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The easy lead who just want there five minutes of fame, as the media will be lurking somewhere nearby ready to send the feed world wide

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is that if most were historically educated they would see its bollocks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep but then Ireland would just be another island like America with little history

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any one for coffee date over weekend?!!! Females only need apply!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's the principle of the divide robbed us of 25 years friendship it's pathetic

True, I just don't see why people can't just except others for what they are and not what church they go to.

I agree take religion out of all schools and have one school system for all, a lot of the hatred is from past generations and teachings from school "

I disagree! Working in an integrated school and no matter how hard you try to educate and dispel misconceptions it's like banging your head on a brick wall!! The attitude and opinions our young people adopt is nurtured from early years in the home. This is where tolerance needs to be taught. Schools and teachers shouldn't be left to educate children on every aspect of life and society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I studied irish history at school and they seemed to leave a lot out which is quite important I can elaborate if needed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I studied irish history at school and they seemed to leave a lot out which is quite important I can elaborate if needed"

I'm sure your history lessons where very one sided. However I was merely pointing out in response to your suggestion that "all schools should be integrated" that this is not enough on it's own! It is often too late by the time they reach school and misconceptions, mistrust and misunderstandings are already deeply embedded.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My history lessons left out the fact and quite important facts that theobald Wolfe tone and Charles parnell were actually protestant irish republicans furthermore king Billy would not have defeated king James if it were not for Pope innocent lx who funded his war so much for duck the Pope or kill all huns the reality is that we wouldn't be in this mess without each other and we need to remember the other half helped us we need to coexist and I believe integration on a mass scale is needed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My history lessons left out the fact and quite important facts that theobald Wolfe tone and Charles parnell were actually protestant irish republicans furthermore king Billy would not have defeated king James if it were not for Pope innocent lx who funded his war so much for duck the Pope or kill all huns the reality is that we wouldn't be in this mess without each other and we need to remember the other half helped us we need to coexist and I believe integration on a mass scale is needed"

I agree that yes integration (abolishing segregation) needs to be a societal effort not just left to schools and teachers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was thinking more along integrated housing which will receive the money that is being wasted on parades glorification one upmanship crap

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I missed this one, didn't I .

Personally, I have no problems with parades in principle. However, comparing Republican parades, if which there are something like 150, to Orange parades, of which there are over 3,000 doesn't add up. The biggest problem I see is the "culture" on display at the bonfires. Election posters of anyone who is not PUL, as well as sectarian and racist slogans, not to mention effigies of various people has absolutely no place in any sort of civilised society. Kat is bad enough, but "we're not racists, we just hate cotton pickin' niggas", and the various Anna Lo things like "Anna Lo ate my dog" are simply not acceptable.

As for the contentious parades.. The Apprentice Boys parade in Derry used to be one of the most contentious but both sides sat down and talked about it. Both sides are now happy, with one of the loyalist bands even playing at the fleadh cheoil in Derry. Are they less orange as a result?

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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country

No fingers then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No Michael I agree if they sat down and worked it out it would be good, but in portadown they tried that and agreed to a different route and all sides agreed so it was changed and then the next year that didn't suit and the next year somewhere else didn't suit where does it stop. You can only push one side so far before breaking point. As I said before for one day in a year some tollerance is needed. I could see the problem if it was uda or UFf guys parading with guns and regalia but it is not. Yes I agree the bonefires should not have anything draped on them it annoys me too and if anyone had tried to do that to our bonfire when we were growing up the parents would have gone made and taken it down.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

Yes Wolfe Tone was a protestant, but as a non Anglican he was as discriminated against as Roman catholics. Violence was treated harshly then and should still be.

As to integrated schooling. It's largely the RC church that has refused to have integrated state run schools rather than church led schooling. In reality the geographical grouping of communities would still result in sectarian divides at school.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

3,500 odd parades and less than a dozen contentious ones. That's hardly an example of gross intolerance?

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I should also say that when the parades commission allows a parade with certain rules in relation to behaviour outside churches, and then the lads stop for ten minutes playing such religious anthems as the famine song, there's no point in talking about anyone else's intolerance.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

I agree with you Georgiana, in the 1960s one side was pushed too far. It's now happening on the other side. Whether the figures show it is largely immaterial, it's perceptions that influence action

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I was growing up there were more people in the lodges than in the bands, now it is the bands that have huge numbers and the lodges have less and less each year. I recently watched the junior orange marching in banterville and it was really nice to watch, the bands played hymns, there were silver bands, accordion bands, pipe bands, flute bands a good variety. The kids were dress all in polo shirts or matching suits it was like the parades I used to remember and there was no trouble

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

respect some people dont know the meaning respect on here at times taken the piss out of people and so on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I should also say that when the parades commission allows a parade with certain rules in relation to behaviour outside churches, and then the lads stop for ten minutes playing such religious anthems as the famine song, there's no point in talking about anyone else's intolerance. "

They have done the same outside other venues when asked too, they are very considerate and are willing to accomodate but as I said before it is years of pushing that has brought us to this point. As you said it is only a few parades that cause the trouble.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

I suspect that as long as there are bonfires with kill all taigs on them, not to mention the otherrreprehensible stuff, there's not going to be much progress.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"I suspect that as long as there are bonfires with kill all taigs on them, not to mention the otherrreprehensible stuff, there's not going to be much progress.

Or orange lodges burnt or Presbyterian churches defaced or prison officers murdered or car bombs under policemen cars or farmers in border areas intimidated or.............. "

Oh yes, or people in this forum suggesting families that have been in my country for over 400 years, should go back where they came from. I'm sure that it's just the minority though.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

Discussing chickens and eggs won't get us very far either.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"Discussing chickens and eggs won't get us very far either. "

No, but if both "sides" want to exist together both sides need to stop pretending they're not at fault too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I know is they should have baked the fricking Cake!

Bert & Ernie - 40 yrs and still happily platonic BBFS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It works both ways there are plenty of messages painted on walls on both sides up here like Brits out and death to Protestants so it works both ways. Until both sides except that we are are born in Ireland and so Irish Wheither from the north or south and that we have a right to go to our own church or schools in peace we will never have calm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Discussing chickens and eggs won't get us very far either. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cant help but look down on people who hold patriotism, religion and tradition in high regard. All social constructs and show a very shallow philosophy. People need to look a little deeper than what they have been programmed with. No offence

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over a year ago


"I cant help but look down on people who hold patriotism, religion and tradition in high regard. All social constructs and show a very shallow philosophy. People need to look a little deeper than what they have been programmed with. No offence "

I am not offended I bring my children up to not show any difference Wheither it be what church they belong too, what their sexual preference is or what they eat, each person is an individual in their own right. If everyone would just seek to get along and show some compromise it would make life a lot easier. As for tradition, so you are saying you disagree with Christmas, Easter, as these are traditions too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't disagree with them but they are pretty meaningless

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"I cant help but look down on people who hold patriotism, religion and tradition in high regard. All social constructs and show a very shallow philosophy. People need to look a little deeper than what they have been programmed with. No offence "

No offense taken but I do value patriotism and tradition. I may have a shallow philosophy but I doubt if many would think so. While undoubtably programmed to an extent, I am able to make up my own mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But they are a part if someone's culture and that should be accepted that is the big problem in this country acceptance if others views, everyone is an individual and has a voice, there is programming and hatred on both side and it is time to ignore it and move on, by giving it air time it feeds it if we just concentrated on our own lives and not what Joe blogs is doing and saying live would be better

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

KAT and we hate niggas.. They may be tradition, but they're certainly not culture!

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"I agree with you Georgiana, in the 1960s one side was pushed too far. It's now happening on the other side. Whether the figures show it is largely immaterial, it's perceptions that influence action"

i think you'll find it was more than just the 60s the 60s is when it came to an impasse there was for a long time a two tiered society which was highlighted be the civil rights marches in the 60s so u can understand why people dont want the other side marching down there road in a triumphant manner. i have no problem with people celebrating there culture but not at the expense of others if they want to celebrate a victory of a battle a few 100 years ago go for it but why do the have to walk past catholic areas ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Give a little take a little given the fact that the oo are allowed to march past ardoyne shops in the morning but not home is 50 50. And it's a concession on nationalists behalf as some of the oo members in glenbryn threw piss at the young kids in holy cross many years ago

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"I agree with you Georgiana, in the 1960s one side was pushed too far. It's now happening on the other side. Whether the figures show it is largely immaterial, it's perceptions that influence action

i think you'll find it was more than just the 60s the 60s is when it came to an impasse there was for a long time a two tiered society which was highlighted be the civil rights marches in the 60s so u can understand why people dont want the other side marching down there road in a triumphant manner. i have no problem with people celebrating there culture but not at the expense of others if they want to celebrate a victory of a battle a few 100 years ago go for it but why do the have to walk past catholic areas ? "

I do understand but some people are offended by seeing murals and posters of IRA murderers, feel intimidated when stopped on the road outside GAA matches by official Marshalls or sworn at in Gaelic in takeaways. It's a two sided thing

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


"I agree with you Georgiana, in the 1960s one side was pushed too far. It's now happening on the other side. Whether the figures show it is largely immaterial, it's perceptions that influence action

i think you'll find it was more than just the 60s the 60s is when it came to an impasse there was for a long time a two tiered society which was highlighted be the civil rights marches in the 60s so u can understand why people dont want the other side marching down there road in a triumphant manner. i have no problem with people celebrating there culture but not at the expense of others if they want to celebrate a victory of a battle a few 100 years ago go for it but why do the have to walk past catholic areas ?

I do understand but some people are offended by seeing murals and posters of IRA murderers, feel intimidated when stopped on the road outside GAA matches by official Marshalls or sworn at in Gaelic in takeaways. It's a two sided thing"

I don't imagine you saw any of those things being paraded through your neighbourhood withan official stamp of approval though?

Surely the marshalls at the gaa grounds were directing traffic or something ? Ha, I bet you were trying to get in without a ticket again?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread makes me

You would think here of all places people would be able to accept and respect difference! Very very sad! We are all blowins on this island, by degrees, celts, Saxons, vickings, whatever. This poorly educated sense of identity and entitlement is horrible. Some day this island will grow up and learn to embrace it's different cultures and the richness they bring! Plastic Paddys with no idea of the history of this country, thinking they have more claim to it, make me sick to my stomach!

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"I agree with you Georgiana, in the 1960s one side was pushed too far. It's now happening on the other side. Whether the figures show it is largely immaterial, it's perceptions that influence action

i think you'll find it was more than just the 60s the 60s is when it came to an impasse there was for a long time a two tiered society which was highlighted be the civil rights marches in the 60s so u can understand why people dont want the other side marching down there road in a triumphant manner. i have no problem with people celebrating there culture but not at the expense of others if they want to celebrate a victory of a battle a few 100 years ago go for it but why do the have to walk past catholic areas ?

I do understand but some people are offended by seeing murals and posters of IRA murderers, feel intimidated when stopped on the road outside GAA matches by official Marshalls or sworn at in Gaelic in takeaways. It's a two sided thing

I don't imagine you saw any of those things being paraded through your neighbourhood withan official stamp of approval though?

Surely the marshalls at the gaa grounds were directing traffic or something ? Ha, I bet you were trying to get in without a ticket again? "

In answer to your questions

The poster of murderers is about 20 yards from my house

The GAA "official" wanted to know my name, where I had been and where I was going.

You are correct that I had not bought a ticket!

They all seemed to have Psni acceptance as reported but still happen.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

What's a plastic paddy? I've often seen the expression used but nobody has ever defined it properly for me, or at least not in a way that would tie in with the above.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So for clarity you did not have piss threw at you and no flags emblems or effigies were burnt or destroyed while you were trying to get past the gaa crowd

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"So for clarity you did not have piss threw at you and no flags emblems or effigies were burnt or destroyed while you were trying to get past the gaa crowd"

Never claimed they did. So what?

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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country

A hug maybe

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


"

I don't imagine you saw any of those things being paraded through your neighbourhood withan official stamp of approval though?

Surely the marshalls at the gaa grounds were directing traffic or something ? Ha, I bet you were trying to get in without a ticket again?

In answer to your questions

The poster of murderers is about 20 yards from my house

The GAA "official" wanted to know my name, where I had been and where I was going.

You are correct that I had not bought a ticket!

They all seemed to have Psni acceptance as reported but still happen."

I trust you told said gaa marshall where to go with himself, as I would have done myself. Posters and murals are at least static, and usually only appear in neighbourhoods which are predominantly from one tradition or another. They are not paraded around neighbourhoods which are predominantly of the opposing tradition, and that, as far as I can see, it's what causes most of the issues.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


"A hug maybe "

Group hug, surely?

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


"A hug maybe "

No fingers though...

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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country


"A hug maybe

No fingers though... "

Spoilsport

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


"A hug maybe

No fingers though...

Spoilsport "

Oh go on then, seeing as it's you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hate this backwards country don't people know it's 2014 not 1690 or 1916 ffs

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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country


"A hug maybe

No fingers though...

Spoilsport

Oh go on then, seeing as it's you! "

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

It must be nearly time for my joke about respect and tolerance?

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"It must be nearly time for my joke about respect and tolerance? "

Go on then. I like your sense of humour

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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country


"I hate this backwards country don't people know it's 2014 not 1690 or 1916 ffs"

Don't let the door hit ye on the way out.......

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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country


"It must be nearly time for my joke about respect and tolerance? "

No it's really not

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


"It must be nearly time for my joke about respect and tolerance?

Go on then. I like your sense of humour"

It could be a big let down now..

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A Catholic couple are about to get married and the groom approaches the priest to book the church for the ceremony. The priest enquires about the bride, asking where she's from, what her name is, and what she does for a living. "Oh Mary is from Cork father, and she's a prostitute", says the groom. The priest instantly passes out, and eventually when he comes to, the groom apologises for giving him such a shock, saying "I'm sorry father, I didn't think you'd take it so badly. You know, prostitution isn't what it used to be, and Mary is very loving, and working as an escort means she can pick and choose her hours to suit family life father". The priest picks himself up on the ground, dusts himself off, looks the groom squarely in the eye and says..

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Arrah for fuck's sake, sure I thought you said she was a protestant!

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan


"It must be nearly time for my joke about respect and tolerance?

No it's really not "

I am tolerant of your intolerance!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mr69: As an Englishman, this thread is...well let's say it's made me look at things from a different angle.

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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country


"It must be nearly time for my joke about respect and tolerance?

Go on then. I like your sense of humour

It could be a big let down now..

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A Catholic couple are about to get married and the groom approaches the priest to book the church for the ceremony. The priest enquires about the bride, asking where she's from, what her name is, and what she does for a living. "Oh Mary is from Cork father, and she's a prostitute", says the groom. The priest instantly passes out, and eventually when he comes to, the groom apologises for giving him such a shock, saying "I'm sorry father, I didn't think you'd take it so badly. You know, prostitution isn't what it used to be, and Mary is very loving, and working as an escort means she can pick and choose her hours to suit family life father". The priest picks himself up on the ground, dusts himself off, looks the groom squarely in the eye and says..

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Arrah for fuck's sake, sure I thought you said she was a protestant! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Michael I would like to know what the hell you think is on the banners the orange order carry, have you ever seen an orange parade in your life or are you just going by what you have been told in the media or schools or chapel.

And in answer to the other comments about parading through catholic areas, these were not always catholic areas many were got through intimidation or Protestants being moved out if areas. The drumcree demographic was released when it first happened the parade went through a Protestant area, a mixed area and a catholic area of which only the gable walls faced the route so no one seen it. The head if the residents association had to travel 3 miles to be put out by the parade.

Yes there may have been a tiered society but it included Protestant and Catholics alike and the main ones being victimised were the women. It now swings the other way now the Protestants are being victimised loosing funding to Catholics left right and centre because the powers that be are scared to up set the community. Funny when the trouble does start that there are suddenly thousands of petrol bombs on hand to throw how is this not planed

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By *andytown OP   Man
over a year ago

Gods Own Country


"Michael I would like to know what the hell you think is on the banners the orange order carry, have you ever seen an orange parade in your life or are you just going by what you have been told in the media or schools or chapel.

And in answer to the other comments about parading through catholic areas, these were not always catholic areas many were got through intimidation or Protestants being moved out if areas. The drumcree demographic was released when it first happened the parade went through a Protestant area, a mixed area and a catholic area of which only the gable walls faced the route so no one seen it. The head if the residents association had to travel 3 miles to be put out by the parade.

Yes there may have been a tiered society but it included Protestant and Catholics alike and the main ones being victimised were the women. It now swings the other way now the Protestants are being victimised loosing funding to Catholics left right and centre because the powers that be are scared to up set the community. Funny when the trouble does start that there are suddenly thousands of petrol bombs on hand to throw how is this not planed"

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
over a year ago

Lucan

A few points.

Firstly, the orange order's banners in themselves aren't the problem. The hangers on may be more to blame with their uvf and uda banners.

Personally I have no problems with parading, but parading once through a contentious area on any given day, in light of the fact that the oo refuses to talk to residents, should suffice.

These problems occurred in Derry for years but have been solved. Did the apprentice boys dilute their loyalism? I don't think so.

My biggest gripe is with the vile carry on to do with the bonfires. I've given examples above. I believe that if the oo moved to deal with that racism and sectarianism, the perception of them in Catholic areas would improve.

As for the trouble... If I'm not mistaken, most of the trouble last year came from a small group of marchers who were blocked by the police.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Long live the PFJ...

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Its all a bit heavy for a world cup thread

personally i dont care who wins as long as it good flowing football

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its all a bit heavy for a world cup thread

personally i dont care who wins as long as it good flowing football"

Come on Netherlands!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Michael that is crap the trouble was caused when the lodge tried to go home, they had agreed to March throught in silence with only a single drum beat to keep the pace. It is necessary to go through this area to get home as it is a straight road and they were attacked with bricks and bottles and later petrol bombs something that is omitted from what you's are told.

The orange order has sat down with residence groups and be given the option of reroute or not parade how is that a compromise. It is the queens highway and we all pay or most of us pay car tax so we have a right to be in the road. So I don't blame them for refusing to sit down with these groups if those are the options how is our way or the high way compromise.

You never said if you had seen a parade Michael.

As for the followers the orange order have in the past taken such regalia off followers when they went past certain areas, I know I have seen this happening. As for the flags the flag if Northern Ireland is the union flag and many have this draped over them, I do disagree with this use if it. But when I was a child the division flats on the begining of marching season used to put up the south Ireland flags up to antagonise the Protestants and in catholic areas they were painted on the walls long before any of this crap began, the passing of the flags and emblems act caused a lot of trouble as it stopped the Protestant people from showing any sign of their own flags but funny enough the tricolour was allowed to fly without hassle. You can push one side only so much before it breaks

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

One problem seems to be that we cannot agree what problems are. One person looks at the appalling behaviour of some orange bands in Belfast, another is concerned with the intimidation of Loyalist enclaves in Londonderry and yet another with the distribution of European funding.

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over a year ago


"It's the principle of the divide robbed us of 25 years friendship it's pathetic

True, I just don't see why people can't just except others for what they are and not what church they go to.

I agree take religion out of all schools and have one school syste for all, a lot of the hatred is from past generations and teachings from school "

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By *arveygirthycockMan
over a year ago

town

It was them uns that started it..... Shaking head..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get in the corner you naughty boy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here's what I learn't in A level history

Mr Panther.........

The Irish Tricolour has inspired generations of Irish people since its conception in 1848. Although the flag didn’t see the light of day again until it was raised above the GPO in 1916, so poignant was its symbolism that its message still prevailed over half a century later, as it does today. The tricolour was eventually recognised as Ireland’s national flag in 1937.

In 1850 a flag of green for the Catholics, orange for the Protestants of the Establishment and white for the peace between them.

It continued to be recognised by official usage during the period 1922-1937, when its position as the national flag was formally confirmed by the Constitution of 1937, Article 7 of which states: "The national flag is the tricolour of green, white and orange."

UnionJack..

This flag dates back to the Union of Great Britain and Ireland from 1801.

The flag has mistakenly been called the Union Jack for many years; however, this has been tolerated and will probably never change.

The only time the Union flag should be called the Union Jack is when it is being flown from the Jack staff of a ship (The flagpole at the bow of a ship). In which case, any flag flown from a Jack Staff is referred to as a Jack.

Originally it was just England, Scotland and Wales. The cross of St George (England) over the Cross of St Andrew also known as the Saltire (Scotland), and the cross of St David (Wales) - then in 1801 the Saint Patrick's Saltire (Ireland) was added to make up the current flag.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's what I learn't in A level history

Mr Panther.........

The Irish Tricolour has inspired generations of Irish people since its conception in 1848. Although the flag didn’t see the light of day again until it was raised above the GPO in 1916, so poignant was its symbolism that its message still prevailed over half a century later, as it does today. The tricolour was eventually recognised as Ireland’s national flag in 1937.

In 1850 a flag of green for the Catholics, orange for the Protestants of the Establishment and white for the peace between them.

It continued to be recognised by official usage during the period 1922-1937, when its position as the national flag was formally confirmed by the Constitution of 1937, Article 7 of which states: "The national flag is the tricolour of green, white and orange."

UnionJack..

This flag dates back to the Union of Great Britain and Ireland from 1801.

The flag has mistakenly been called the Union Jack for many years; however, this has been tolerated and will probably never change.

The only time the Union flag should be called the Union Jack is when it is being flown from the Jack staff of a ship (The flagpole at the bow of a ship). In which case, any flag flown from a Jack Staff is referred to as a Jack.

Originally it was just England, Scotland and Wales. The cross of St George (England) over the Cross of St Andrew also known as the Saltire (Scotland), and the cross of St David (Wales) - then in 1801 the Saint Patrick's Saltire (Ireland) was added to make up the current flag.

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Well copied & pasted.

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over a year ago


"Here's what I learn't in A level history

Mr Panther.........

The Irish Tricolour has inspired generations of Irish people since its conception in 1848. Although the flag didn’t see the light of day again until it was raised above the GPO in 1916, so poignant was its symbolism that its message still prevailed over half a century later, as it does today. The tricolour was eventually recognised as Ireland’s national flag in 1937.

In 1850 a flag of green for the Catholics, orange for the Protestants of the Establishment and white for the peace between them.

It continued to be recognised by official usage during the period 1922-1937, when its position as the national flag was formally confirmed by the Constitution of 1937, Article 7 of which states: "The national flag is the tricolour of green, white and orange."

UnionJack..

This flag dates back to the Union of Great Britain and Ireland from 1801.

The flag has mistakenly been called the Union Jack for many years; however, this has been tolerated and will probably never change.

The only time the Union flag should be called the Union Jack is when it is being flown from the Jack staff of a ship (The flagpole at the bow of a ship). In which case, any flag flown from a Jack Staff is referred to as a Jack.

Originally it was just England, Scotland and Wales. The cross of St George (England) over the Cross of St Andrew also known as the Saltire (Scotland), and the cross of St David (Wales) - then in 1801 the Saint Patrick's Saltire (Ireland) was added to make up the current flag.

Well copied & pasted."

do you want to bore yourself with my history notes lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here's a wee song for ya's to listen to

Bob Dylan - Blowin in the wind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a wee song for ya's to listen to

Bob Dylan - Blowin in the wind "

Wish some on here would fucking blow away in the wind!!!! (pink)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's what I learn't in A level history

Mr Panther.........

The Irish Tricolour has inspired generations of Irish people since its conception in 1848. Although the flag didn’t see the light of day again until it was raised above the GPO in 1916, so poignant was its symbolism that its message still prevailed over half a century later, as it does today. The tricolour was eventually recognised as Ireland’s national flag in 1937.

In 1850 a flag of green for the Catholics, orange for the Protestants of the Establishment and white for the peace between them.

It continued to be recognised by official usage during the period 1922-1937, when its position as the national flag was formally confirmed by the Constitution of 1937, Article 7 of which states: "The national flag is the tricolour of green, white and orange."

UnionJack..

This flag dates back to the Union of Great Britain and Ireland from 1801.

The flag has mistakenly been called the Union Jack for many years; however, this has been tolerated and will probably never change.

The only time the Union flag should be called the Union Jack is when it is being flown from the Jack staff of a ship (The flagpole at the bow of a ship). In which case, any flag flown from a Jack Staff is referred to as a Jack.

Originally it was just England, Scotland and Wales. The cross of St George (England) over the Cross of St Andrew also known as the Saltire (Scotland), and the cross of St David (Wales) - then in 1801 the Saint Patrick's Saltire (Ireland) was added to make up the current flag.

Well copied & pasted.

do you want to bore yourself with my history notes lol"

*holds hands up

Please no! I abhorred history at school. Worst subject by a country mile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Battle of the Boyne of 1690 was 324 years ago, It was a battle that took place long before Irish partition. Therefore it was not and never was part of "Northern Irelands" History. A "country" can not have history if the country was not in existence at the time.

Just saying like!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Battle of the Boyne of 1690 was 324 years ago, It was a battle that took place long before Irish partition. Therefore it was not and never was part of "Northern Irelands" History. A "country" can not have history if the country was not in existence at the time.

Just saying like!!!!"

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"The Battle of the Boyne of 1690 was 324 years ago, It was a battle that took place long before Irish partition. Therefore it was not and never was part of "Northern Irelands" History. A "country" can not have history if the country was not in existence at the time.

Just saying like!!!!"

That's Bollocks. Its like saying that the events in Dublin in 1916 are not part of the history of the Republic, or that the Berlin airlift is not part of German history or that the Vietnam War is not part of Vietnam's history because Vietnam did not exist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

who cares jaysus its not 1916 its 2014 the future let them do what they like if it wore us trying too march everybody would be like on the freedom of speach ban wagon we have more other major problems than be crying over a march

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

this thread still goin lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"this thread still goin lol."

yup ang getting boring at this stage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"this thread still goin lol.

yup ang getting boring at this stage "

sure it's a free history lesson if you put all the posts together

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1916 wasn't part of the Republic as it didn't exist. The Republic didn't exist until 1922 the same time as NI was formed. But it was and is part of Irelands history, Berlin was always part of Germany, and Vietnam has always been called Vietnam. Northern Ireland has only been called Northern Ireland for the last 92 years, Anything that has happened on this island before that time was Irish history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"this thread still goin lol.

yup ang getting boring at this stage

sure it's a free history lesson if you put all the posts together "

not arsed too be honest one or 2 done me lol and the op afte that it went yawnnnnnn change the depressing subject lol

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"1916 wasn't part of the Republic as it didn't exist. The Republic didn't exist until 1922 the same time as NI was formed. But it was and is part of Irelands history, Berlin was always part of Germany, and Vietnam has always been called Vietnam. Northern Ireland has only been called Northern Ireland for the last 92 years, Anything that has happened on this island before that time was Irish history. "

At the time of the Berlin airlift there were two separate countries. West Germany and The German Democratic Republic

At the time of the Vietnam War there were two countries. North Vietnam and South vietnam

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still Germany and still Vietnam. At the time of the battle of the Boyne there was only one country, IRELAND.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"1916 wasn't part of the Republic as it didn't exist. The Republic didn't exist until 1922 the same time as NI was formed. But it was and is part of Irelands history, Berlin was always part of Germany, and Vietnam has always been called Vietnam. Northern Ireland has only been called Northern Ireland for the last 92 years, Anything that has happened on this island before that time was Irish history.

At the time of the Berlin airlift there were two separate countries. West Germany and The German Democratic Republic

At the time of the Vietnam War there were two countries. North Vietnam and South vietnam"

in both instances split by nato. thats the whole problem, countries dont really exist, people invent imaginary borders and cultures to try and make some sort of sense of a bunch of primates roaming around the planet. people who buy into it are missing the bigger picture.

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"1916 wasn't part of the Republic as it didn't exist. The Republic didn't exist until 1922 the same time as NI was formed. But it was and is part of Irelands history, Berlin was always part of Germany, and Vietnam has always been called Vietnam. Northern Ireland has only been called Northern Ireland for the last 92 years, Anything that has happened on this island before that time was Irish history.

At the time of the Berlin airlift there were two separate countries. West Germany and The German Democratic Republic

At the time of the Vietnam War there were two countries. North Vietnam and South vietnam

in both instances split by nato. thats the whole problem, countries dont really exist, people invent imaginary borders and cultures to try and make some sort of sense of a bunch of primates roaming around the planet. people who buy into it are missing the bigger picture."

Just a pedantic issue. Germany was divided before Nato was created. Also Nato was not involved at all with Vietnam. It may be SEATO you're meaning but it too was created after Vietnam was divided

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i could be wrong about which organisations divided what but the basic principle still applies, people like to divide into tribes for security and a sense of identity, we are all capable of rising above it and seeing the bigger picture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And people wonder why it never moves forward...

sure the next thing we know people will be demanding public enquiries into why active terrorists who were about to attack a police station were killed by the SAS...

it becomes outrageous, tit for tat and both sides contribute to it, some more than others - you cant eradicate history but you can let it be history....

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By *avie tCouple
over a year ago

otherside of nowhere


"Long live the PFJ... "

I saport foohys right to be a woman and give birth...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i could be wrong about which organisations divided what but the basic principle still applies, people like to divide into tribes for security and a sense of identity, we are all capable of rising above it and seeing the bigger picture."

"I have a dream" was spoken aloud before. Maybe one day. Capable but not willing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i could be wrong about which organisations divided what but the basic principle still applies, people like to divide into tribes for security and a sense of identity, we are all capable of rising above it and seeing the bigger picture.

"I have a dream" was spoken aloud before. Maybe one day. Capable but not willing?"

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