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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Mr69: Sooooooooo. Does anyone think that the poor showing by England at the World Cup has anything to do with the policies of no quotas on foreign players(I know there are rules about a certain number of 'homegrown' Players) in league football at home, and as a knock-on effect does this affect the Irish national squad?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all about the grass roots

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the amont of foreign players in the premier league has definitely had an effect on the English national team. With big clubs ready to shell £30-40 million on an overseas player rather than find a talented local youth and nuture and grow him in ability, it means less English players plying their trade at a high level. A quota policy could help. We'd see more young players like Ross Barkley making a break through.Although then the big clubs would just buy up every young talent they found at lower clubs.

On a nearly related point, its nice to see England stick with Hodgson, yes they lost but the youth of the team show promiseand over the next four years more will be unearthed to add to it. He reminds me of Sir Bobby Robson in his manner and he wasn't toi bad at the job.

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By *ongbow71Man
over a year ago

Bangor, Norn Iron

We actually played well, and showed a mentality that I haven't seen for a long time in an England team. What we lacked was that final finish, and just a little bit of communication across the back 4. I think over time, the team will improve, but I think Hodgson must consider if Gerrard, Rooney etc have a place in the team.

The Premier League is a business. Be successful and you make money, but most investors, and every fan, wants results now, not in 5 or 10 years time. So you invest in quality players who will get you results, which means that grass roots is pushed to the side...

This has to be addressed by the FA and encourage Premier Teams to create academy's to develop it, subsidising it if possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mr69: Sooooooooo. Does anyone think that the poor showing by England at the World Cup has anything to do with the policies of no quotas on foreign players(I know there are rules about a certain number of 'homegrown' Players) in league football at home, and as a knock-on effect does this affect the Irish national squad?

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Irish National squad just hasnt the scouting systems in place. Even though england have their problems with home-grown players and all they still have a very in depth scouting system. We dont have anything decent when it comes to scouting. Ive played senior football for years in the AUL. I never once got spotted nor any of the players I know would atleast be promising for teams like rovers and that. I eventually got trials at 18 due to mailing shelbourne fc. Just so much wasted talent playing in blinded leagues

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wen ze Germans last went out at group stage they restricted the whole system from the bundesliga right down to school and we see the crop of smashing players that that's produced were as in england they teach that its taking part not winning balls to that throwin money at a problem won't fix it

And really pinning all there hopes on shrek and slippy g and they wonder why there catching the next flight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My autocorrect and dodgy spelling is a bad combo

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Same rules apply to all european leagues and it hasnt affected them.

actually a longer history of foriegners in spain n italy,south americans hav always headed to spain and italian teams spent big in 80s and 90s,there was few foriegners in england then and they still didnt do much better in major tournaments

i think why they do bad comes down to the weather and the 10000 hour rule

to be a best at any sport u hav to practice for approx 10000 hours,kids in warm countries can hav this done wen they r still kids,even on continent long hot summers

here kids play xbox.different worlds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Same rules apply to all european leagues and it hasnt affected them.

actually a longer history of foriegners in spain n italy,south americans hav always headed to spain aind italian teams spent big in 80s and 90s,there was few foriegners in england then and they still didnt do much better in major tournaments

i think why they do bad comes down to the weather and the 10000 hour rule

to be a best at any sport u hav to practice for approx 10000 hours,kids in warm countries can hav this done wen they r still kids,even on continent long hot summers

here kids play xbox.different worlds"

so damn true, when i were a lad my folks struggled to keep me indoors but its quute the opposite with my little brother of 14

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Same rules apply to all european leagues and it hasnt affected them.

actually a longer history of foriegners in spain n italy,south americans hav always headed to spain aind italian teams spent big in 80s and 90s,there was few foriegners in england then and they still didnt do much better in major tournaments

i think why they do bad comes down to the weather and the 10000 hour rule

to be a best at any sport u hav to practice for approx 10000 hours,kids in warm countries can hav this done wen they r still kids,even on continent long hot summers

here kids play xbox.different worlds

so damn true, when i were a lad my folks struggled to keep me indoors but its quute the opposite with my little brother of 14 "

Yeah agree. Im still out kicking ball... would be lost without a game every week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had the privilege of having my son coached in the Spanish set up and the difference even at that level is night and day. The funding and passion for football even from the ages of 5 and 6 is immense. There is fun in it for them but any messing about and they get laps of the pitch. They are taught pass and move even from that early age and watching kids that young developed as much as they did in a year was amazing to watch. Coaches are set up on match days to take all age groups of the team to the same away ground and it's a whole day of football, not just to go play your game and then go home. You play your game and then sit with your coach and watch the other games and learn.

The facilities they have there for the kids also are second to none, all 3g pitches in stadiums and scouts at more or less every match. The funding in the UK and Ireland is just so far behind in the youth system it's easy to see why we underachieve the way we do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Money has English football fucked and are English players are just not good enough. This is the worst team they ever sent to a World Cup and were beaten by 2 average teams that both lost to Costa Rica, the same Costa Rica that shearer and Ferdinand laughed at when they beat Uruguay. That's the English mentality.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

the main problem is thattake a foreign lad as 16 and have him on the books for more than 3 years it gets around the home grown player rule. also there are less and less lads playing football these days and even less with the commitment to training i can remember when i was 15/16 playing i think every kid in my area played football. i coach an u17s team and its a nightmare to get them to get to training and this has been the main problem for the past 3 years at a time when some of them could have been called for trials they just loose interest too busy chasing girls and hanging with their mates (i was the same but didnt have half the skill that some of these lads have). as a club we have sent a few lads to the uk for trials and a few have been picked up but these lads where spotted at 14 before the bad habits kick in.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare


"the main problem is thattake a foreign lad as 16 and have him on the books for more than 3 years it gets around the home grown player rule. also there are less and less lads playing football these days and even less with the commitment to training i can remember when i was 15/16 playing i think every kid in my area played football. i coach an u17s team and its a nightmare to get them to get to training and this has been the main problem for the past 3 years at a time when some of them could have been called for trials they just loose interest too busy chasing girls and hanging with their mates (i was the same but didnt have half the skill that some of these lads have). as a club we have sent a few lads to the uk for trials and a few have been picked up but these lads where spotted at 14 before the bad habits kick in."

there in lies the prob _aid back,they arent picked up til they are 14,after spending the most important years being coached by amatuer coaches,no offence but im sure ur not at the standard of lafointaine like the french youth academy or ajax academy et el

when ajax won the champions league with that famous young team in late 90s,most of the team had being playin together for 14,15 years,the average age at the time was 19

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"the main problem is thattake a foreign lad as 16 and have him on the books for more than 3 years it gets around the home grown player rule. also there are less and less lads playing football these days and even less with the commitment to training i can remember when i was 15/16 playing i think every kid in my area played football. i coach an u17s team and its a nightmare to get them to get to training and this has been the main problem for the past 3 years at a time when some of them could have been called for trials they just loose interest too busy chasing girls and hanging with their mates (i was the same but didnt have half the skill that some of these lads have). as a club we have sent a few lads to the uk for trials and a few have been picked up but these lads where spotted at 14 before the bad habits kick in.

there in lies the prob _aid back,they arent picked up til they are 14,after spending the most important years being coached by amatuer coaches,no offence but im sure ur not at the standard of lafointaine like the french youth academy or ajax academy et el

when ajax won the champions league with that famous young team in late 90s,most of the team had being playin together for 14,15 years,the average age at the time was 19"

oh i know hal but thats the problem for irish kids we dont have as easy of access to the english teams as say lads born in liverpool etc most of our coaches have done their coaching badges etc but its not the same as the set up that pro teams and brian kerr years ago wanted to set up an irish academy where the best of irish talent would go to and train etc but the fai shot him down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the main problem is thattake a foreign lad as 16 and have him on the books for more than 3 years it gets around the home grown player rule. also there are less and less lads playing football these days and even less with the commitment to training i can remember when i was 15/16 playing i think every kid in my area played football. i coach an u17s team and its a nightmare to get them to get to training and this has been the main problem for the past 3 years at a time when some of them could have been called for trials they just loose interest too busy chasing girls and hanging with their mates (i was the same but didnt have half the skill that some of these lads have). as a club we have sent a few lads to the uk for trials and a few have been picked up but these lads where spotted at 14 before the bad habits kick in."

They're really valid points . kids have different priorities now in comparison to years ago in Britain and here. It's easy to see the lack of discipline in a lot of these kids.

I played with a few guys who've gone cross channel and a couple that are still there . They weren't necessarily the very best players at schoolboys but they were all the hardest workers . Football was their life and now they are reaping the rewards.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Money has English football fucked and are English players are just not good enough. This is the worst team they ever sent to a World Cup and were beaten by 2 average teams that both lost to Costa Rica, the same Costa Rica that shearer and Ferdinand laughed at when they beat Uruguay. That's the English mentality."

Please join in when you have some more vitriol Mr. Xenophobe.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"the main problem is thattake a foreign lad as 16 and have him on the books for more than 3 years it gets around the home grown player rule. also there are less and less lads playing football these days and even less with the commitment to training i can remember when i was 15/16 playing i think every kid in my area played football. i coach an u17s team and its a nightmare to get them to get to training and this has been the main problem for the past 3 years at a time when some of them could have been called for trials they just loose interest too busy chasing girls and hanging with their mates (i was the same but didnt have half the skill that some of these lads have). as a club we have sent a few lads to the uk for trials and a few have been picked up but these lads where spotted at 14 before the bad habits kick in."

Oh Right, so that's how get around the 'homegrown' rule is it? Good points about getting them before teenage kicks start. So obviously the F.A. Have a system for nurturing young talent, is it not a big or good enough programme? Or, as has been mentioned, is the attraction for the game starting to decline?

Mr69: Btw, this is just an open discussion, no agenda, what about tiredness, are the Premier League players playing too many league matches? I think the league should be smaller. I think tweaks are going to have to be made to the structure of the Premiership but maybe we just have to enjoy what we get week in week out & hope for the best every couple of years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mr69: Sooooooooo. Does anyone think that the poor showing by England at the World Cup has anything to do with the policies of no quotas on foreign players(I know there are rules about a certain number of 'homegrown' Players) in league football at home, and as a knock-on effect does this affect the Irish national squad?

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Very well put!

I firmly believe that too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Money has English football fucked and are English players are just not good enough. This is the worst team they ever sent to a World Cup and were beaten by 2 average teams that both lost to Costa Rica, the same Costa Rica that shearer and Ferdinand laughed at when they beat Uruguay. That's the English mentality."

Have to disagree, neither Italy or Uruguay are average, both are good teams peppered with world class players. Actually, i believe the worst England team at a world cup in recent memory was four years ago, this England team though not successful they showed potential. Roy has cleared a lot of jaded, tired players out and brought in youth. I hope he is given a chance to take a team to the next euros & world cup.

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