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"None there all scum my anty got fined cause she tore up a leaflet infront of them at her own door a week later she got a lovely €150.00 fine from the council so i aint voting for now and if i did it would be sinn fein all the way by a mile " OMG!!  | |||
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"None there all scum my anty got fined cause she tore up a leaflet infront of them at her own door a week later she got a lovely €150.00 fine from the council so i aint voting for now and if i did it would be sinn fein all the way by a mile OMG!! "Yup and they want our vote not a chance | |||
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"None there all scum my anty got fined cause she tore up a leaflet infront of them at her own door a week later she got a lovely €150.00 fine from the council so i aint voting for now and if i did it would be sinn fein all the way by a mile " Who was candidate at her door? sounds like a no nnonsense kinda guy.ill vote for him  .jokin | |||
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"None there all scum my anty got fined cause she tore up a leaflet infront of them at her own door a week later she got a lovely €150.00 fine from the council so i aint voting for now and if i did it would be sinn fein all the way by a mile " Was she on today fm yesterday? Heard a story about that | |||
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"None there all scum my anty got fined cause she tore up a leaflet infront of them at her own door a week later she got a lovely €150.00 fine from the council so i aint voting for now and if i did it would be sinn fein all the way by a mile Was she on today fm yesterday? Heard a story about that" im not sure though i know she was in a few papers over it an a few radio shows she could of bin | |||
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"Private issue , but hopefully all that are registered to vote use it and try to make a difference !!! Are you ashamed of them so? I would however vote that private clubs aren't allowed to advertise or spam in here ": | |||
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"Private issue , but hopefully all that are registered to vote use it and try to make a difference !!! Are you ashamed of them so? I would however vote that private clubs aren't allowed to advertise or spam in here : "Ashamed of what exactly ??? #VotailNoSpam | |||
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"Sinn Fein are the bottom of the barrel. " SO WHO ARE YOU VOTING SO? ...enlighten us so.
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"None there all scum my anty got fined cause she tore up a leaflet infront of them at her own door a week later she got a lovely €150.00 fine from the council so i aint voting for now and if i did it would be sinn fein all the way by a mile Who was candidate at her door? sounds like a no nnonsense kinda guy.ill vote for him .jokin"he was gerry sheridan of the labour party | |||
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"Sinn Fein are the bottom of the barrel. " Surely not !!! Very honest and full of integraty....near saints I'd say _!!! #justiceforjean | |||
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"Sinn Fein are the bottom of the barrel. Surely not !!! Very honest and full of integraty....near saints I'd say _!!! #justiceforjean" I guess.... Your not looking at the news.... | |||
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"Sinn Fein are the bottom of the barrel. Surely not !!! Very honest and full of integraty....near saints I'd say _!!! #justiceforjean I guess.... Your not looking at the news.... "Atm my laptop  | |||
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"Private issue , but hopefully all that are registered to vote use it and try to make a difference !!! I would however vote that private clubs aren't allowed to advertise or spam in here "Shud we not encourage clubs randy? Enough that the rest of the world is against us | |||
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"Private issue , but hopefully all that are registered to vote use it and try to make a difference !!! I would however vote that private clubs aren't allowed to advertise or spam in here
Shud we not encourage clubs randy? Enough that the rest of the world is against us"No , the rules state no spamming sur ! I bet if I started a "club" up and advertised for free , without a personality , in here I'd be banned pal !!! Just saying  | |||
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"The only reason why sinn feinn are all over the news is beacuse of gerry adams and what ever happened years ago sure thats in the past this future and i really do believe sinn feinn would do a much better job than the traters we have now running our country u gotta hand it to them when it comes budget day there always sticking up for the people and not profit or cutbacks etc " Surely there's no basis to sf running a country nevermind a budget....but ask them to run a bath for interrogation and your on a vote winner right there | |||
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Its mostly kept to one thread.dont kno how that wud bother u.
And this thread has nothin to do with club, pal
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"Democracy is overrated... What we need is a handy benevolent dictatorship ... at least the trains would run on time ..." haha ehm... sure! The dictator would use all the trains to transport the missiles and their fancy food and us, we have to go back to horse and wagon  | |||
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"Sinn Fein are the bottom of the barrel. " Really strange as there up in all the polls . | |||
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"Democracy is overrated... What we need is a handy benevolent dictatorship ... at least the trains would run on time ... haha ehm... sure! The dictator would use all the trains to transport the missiles and their fancy food and us, we have to go back to horse and wagon "you missed the word "benevolent"  very important ... A despot would be overthrown ASAP ... The political system is too obsessed with elections and getting re-elected ... is a mass popularity contest only half a step up from a "lovely girls competition" really the best way to determine national leadership ...
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"Democracy is overrated... What we need is a handy benevolent dictatorship ... at least the trains would run on time ... haha ehm... sure! The dictator would use all the trains to transport the missiles and their fancy food and us, we have to go back to horse and wagon
you missed the word "benevolent" very important ... A despot would be overthrown ASAP ... The political system is too obsessed with elections and getting re-elected ... is a mass popularity contest only half a step up from a "lovely girls competition" really the best way to determine national leadership ...
They don't even have lovely bottoms ..."If you don't agree with the idea of elections, what's your alternative?  | |||
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"Going to vote for the lower parties. Not fg not ff and not labour. Thing the lower parties are going to win a good more seats. Independents. Real people that are working " Until they're elected and suddenly join a party!!! | |||
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"Going to vote for the lower parties. Not fg not ff and not labour. Thing the lower parties are going to win a good more seats. Independents. Real people that are working Until they're elected and suddenly join a party!!! "A government of independents is hardly workable though. | |||
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"Going to vote for the lower parties. Not fg not ff and not labour. Thing the lower parties are going to win a good more seats. Independents. Real people that are working Until they're elected and suddenly join a party!!!
A government of independents is hardly workable though. "Why not?? | |||
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"Going to vote for the lower parties. Not fg not ff and not labour. Thing the lower parties are going to win a good more seats. Independents. Real people that are working Until they're elected and suddenly join a party!!!
A government of independents is hardly workable though.
Why not??"No cohesion. They stand on a variety of issues, many of which are local in nature. Trying to get a minimum of 83 of them to agree one agenda and stick to it for five years is a practical impossibility given that it's tricky enough to get a single party to agree for that long. | |||
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"Going to vote for the lower parties. Not fg not ff and not labour. Thing the lower parties are going to win a good more seats. Independents. Real people that are working Until they're elected and suddenly join a party!!!
A government of independents is hardly workable though.
Why not??
No cohesion. They stand on a variety of issues, many of which are local in nature. Trying to get a minimum of 83 of them to agree one agenda and stick to it for five years is a practical impossibility given that it's tricky enough to get a single party to agree for that long. "But if they were in politics for the good of the country not for themselves would you not think it possible. Works for major corporations doesn't it? | |||
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"Going to vote for the lower parties. Not fg not ff and not labour. Thing the lower parties are going to win a good more seats. Independents. Real people that are working Until they're elected and suddenly join a party!!!
A government of independents is hardly workable though.
Why not??
No cohesion. They stand on a variety of issues, many of which are local in nature. Trying to get a minimum of 83 of them to agree one agenda and stick to it for five years is a practical impossibility given that it's tricky enough to get a single party to agree for that long. "there in lies a problem there is to many in the dail for the amount of people they represent its a small country ffs Manchester is of a similar size population wise and its run in a better manner than some of the shit that goes on here until we have radical change in the make up of the political set up in this country it will remain same old shite different day in every walk of life we have under performers who quickly sink and the cream rises we need some cream to rise but its prevented by the party so maybe a period off uncertainty is the stimulus required to stir the pot | |||
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"Going to vote for the lower parties. Not fg not ff and not labour. Thing the lower parties are going to win a good more seats. Independents. Real people that are working Until they're elected and suddenly join a party!!!
A government of independents is hardly workable though.
Why not??
No cohesion. They stand on a variety of issues, many of which are local in nature. Trying to get a minimum of 83 of them to agree one agenda and stick to it for five years is a practical impossibility given that it's tricky enough to get a single party to agree for that long.
But if they were in politics for the good of the country not for themselves would you not think it possible. Works for major corporations doesn't it?"I'm sure most major corporations have one clear cut philosophy. A lot of independents are in politics because of local issues rather than national ones. There's a hell of a difference in philosophy between Michael Lowry and Luke Flanagan. They can operate fine together in opposition as they only have to agree on what they're against rather than what they want implemented. | |||
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"Going to vote for the lower parties. Not fg not ff and not labour. Thing the lower parties are going to win a good more seats. Independents. Real people that are working Until they're elected and suddenly join a party!!!
A government of independents is hardly workable though.
Why not??
No cohesion. They stand on a variety of issues, many of which are local in nature. Trying to get a minimum of 83 of them to agree one agenda and stick to it for five years is a practical impossibility given that it's tricky enough to get a single party to agree for that long.
But if they were in politics for the good of the country not for themselves would you not think it possible. Works for major corporations doesn't it?
I'm sure most major corporations have one clear cut philosophy. A lot of independents are in politics because of local issues rather than national ones. There's a hell of a difference in philosophy between Michael Lowry and Luke Flanagan. They can operate fine together in opposition as they only have to agree on what they're against rather than what they want implemented. "I would have thought the philosophy of all politicians should be what's right for the country. So they disagree for the sake of it?? | |||
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"Going to vote for the lower parties. Not fg not ff and not labour. Thing the lower parties are going to win a good more seats. Independents. Real people that are working Until they're elected and suddenly join a party!!!
A government of independents is hardly workable though.
Why not??
No cohesion. They stand on a variety of issues, many of which are local in nature. Trying to get a minimum of 83 of them to agree one agenda and stick to it for five years is a practical impossibility given that it's tricky enough to get a single party to agree for that long.
But if they were in politics for the good of the country not for themselves would you not think it possible. Works for major corporations doesn't it?
I'm sure most major corporations have one clear cut philosophy. A lot of independents are in politics because of local issues rather than national ones. There's a hell of a difference in philosophy between Michael Lowry and Luke Flanagan. They can operate fine together in opposition as they only have to agree on what they're against rather than what they want implemented.
I would have thought the philosophy of all politicians should be what's right for the country. So they disagree for the sake of it??"Whoever said "all politics is local" hit the nail on the head. If someone gets elected to keep Roscommon hospital open, for example, I hardly think the good of the rest of the country matters much to them. Politicians represent specific constituencies and if they want to get reelected they must please the voters in those constituencies first and foremost. The sensible thing for the good of the country may be to close that hospital, school, or whatever, but God help the politician who goes out campaigning on that basis. | |||
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" I would have thought the philosophy of all politicians should be what's right for the country. So they disagree for the sake of it??" Alan Dukes as leader of Fine Gael implemented the "Tallaght Strategy" which meant that while they were in opposition they would support government proposals if they felt it was for the good of the country, or basically they would not automatically oppose just because they were in opposition. The result was that the economy eventually turned around, but Fine Gael got decimated at the next elections. It would appear that voters expect the opposition to oppose.  | |||
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"Sinn Fein are the bottom of the barrel. Really strange as there up in all the polls ." busty were do I vote to get u up on a pole lol | |||
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"vote? not thanks, never. im not a slave" Good lad. That'll get the country back on its feet! | |||
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"vote? not thanks, never. im not a slave Good lad. That'll get the country back on its feet! "I agree ... voting is propping up a corrupt and ineffective system ... boycott the polls and deny any implied mandate ... it's as much a privilage as actually voting ... | |||
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"vote? not thanks, never. im not a slave Good lad. That'll get the country back on its feet!
I agree ... voting is propping up a corrupt and ineffective system ... boycott the polls and deny any implied mandate ... it's as much a privilage as actually voting ..."So what's your plan for governing the country in the absence of elected government? | |||
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"Hmmm ... 1. Technocracy 2. Benevolent dictatorship / c.e.o / board of directors 3. Anything that doesn't involve mob rule / popularity competitions / professional politicians ..." So where does this work successfully at the moment? | |||
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"In business. " Hmm.. There's a bit of a difference between running a business and running a country. Social Welfare being the biggest one. | |||
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"So you would prefer a politician chosen by a "democratic process" of majority rule than a proven leadership structure selected through expertise and experience, and subject to regular performance reviews? No problemo, but I have a different viewpoint ..." got a problem with democracy buddy? | |||
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"Fg. That's a rare advance in 3 year's. We were feced altogether when they came into power. There's hard times ahead granted but not the 50 years worth we were promised. And I still couldn't vote FF after what they did. SF are still lying murdering bastards labour are pointless and have a look at the independants? Fuck me! Only option. I know that will be unpopular....." do you really believe there is a big difference between a fg / ff / lab local council candidate? | |||
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"Fg. That's a rare advance in 3 year's. We were feced altogether when they came into power. There's hard times ahead granted but not the 50 years worth we were promised. And I still couldn't vote FF after what they did. SF are still lying murdering bastards labour are pointless and have a look at the independants? Fuck me! Only option. I know that will be unpopular....." That doesn't even merit a response. | |||
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"So you would prefer a politician chosen by a "democratic process" of majority rule than a proven leadership structure selected through expertise and experience, and subject to regular performance reviews? No problemo, but I have a different viewpoint ... got a problem with democracy buddy?" Yeah, I have a fun-de-mental philosophical opposition to majority rule, which gets stronger with every moment I experience the quality of collective / group decision making by the general public | |||
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"So you would prefer a politician chosen by a "democratic process" of majority rule than a proven leadership structure selected through expertise and experience, and subject to regular performance reviews? No problemo, but I have a different viewpoint ..." I'd rather the accountability that comes with democracy. As for technocracy, we experienced a little bit of that with our minister for health. Lol. Fair enough, it's not a great example, but it's a start. We've also had teachers as education ministers and it didn't work very well. The other issue is who appoints the technocrats? Who are they accountable to? I'd rather take my chances with democracy where the elected representatives have to come back to us every five years, knowing that if they make a mess, they'll be punished for it, at least electorally. | |||
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"Accountability? Really? I would question that ... Also, we do not operate in a democracy ... or a republic for that matter, we are governed by a poorly selected self managed ruling elite, and not a particlarly skilled one either because of it's relatively thankless nature for genuinely talented individuals ... Democracy is bunk - Henry Ford Democracy is so overrated - Frank Underwood Democracy is one step from tyranny - Plato" Any lie, frequently enough repeated, will ultimately gain belief. - Joseph gobbels The single most important quote that anybody who even remotely concerns with politics needs to be aware of. | |||
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"Accountability? Really? I would question that ... Also, we do not operate in a democracy ... or a republic for that matter, we are governed by a poorly selected self managed ruling elite, and not a particlarly skilled one either because of it's relatively thankless nature for genuinely talented individuals ... Democracy is bunk - Henry Ford Democracy is so overrated - Frank Underwood Democracy is one step from tyranny - Plato" Of course there's accountability. Every five years we have elections. I'm still curious as to who appoints the technocrats to run the country, and who do they answer to? Here's a quote for you.. "if you want to know the value of democracy, ask people who have been denied it" (me, just now) | |||
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"Accountability? Really? I would question that ... Also, we do not operate in a democracy ... or a republic for that matter, we are governed by a poorly selected self managed ruling elite, and not a particlarly skilled one either because of it's relatively thankless nature for genuinely talented individuals ... Democracy is bunk - Henry Ford Democracy is so overrated - Frank Underwood Democracy is one step from tyranny - Plato" "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors" Plato said that as well. As for the Henry Ford quote, I suspect Hitler and Stalin would have agreed with him. I'm sure I could also find a quote from a fictional character, but that doesn't really add anything.
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"Accountability? Really? I would question that ... Also, we do not operate in a democracy ... or a republic for that matter, we are governed by a poorly selected self managed ruling elite, and not a particlarly skilled one either because of it's relatively thankless nature for genuinely talented individuals ... Democracy is bunk - Henry Ford Democracy is so overrated - Frank Underwood Democracy is one step from tyranny - Plato "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors" Plato said that as well. As for the Henry Ford quote, I suspect Hitler and Stalin would have agreed with him. I'm sure I could also find a quote from a fictional character, but that doesn't really add anything.
As for the Republic comment.. You may have a point to db extent, but refusing to have anything to do with electoral politics won't change that. "I take your point on the Plato, but 22 years of engagement to date hasn't affected the outcome much so far ... Hitler was massively democratic ... even JFK admired his popularity ... and don't knock House of Cards as a metaphor if you haven't seen it ... If enough people boycotted the polls and stripped away political mandate then that could be interesting ... would "democracy" survive less than 10% turnout? And what would happen then ... | |||
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"Accountability? Really? I would question that ... Also, we do not operate in a democracy ... or a republic for that matter, we are governed by a poorly selected self managed ruling elite, and not a particlarly skilled one either because of it's relatively thankless nature for genuinely talented individuals ... Democracy is bunk - Henry Ford Democracy is so overrated - Frank Underwood Democracy is one step from tyranny - Plato "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors" Plato said that as well. As for the Henry Ford quote, I suspect Hitler and Stalin would have agreed with him. I'm sure I could also find a quote from a fictional character, but that doesn't really add anything.
As for the Republic comment.. You may have a point to db extent, but refusing to have anything to do with electoral politics won't change that.
I take your point on the Plato, but 22 years of engagement to date hasn't affected the outcome much so far ...
Hitler was massively democratic ... even JFK admired his popularity ... and don't knock House of Cards as a metaphor if you haven't seen it ...
If enough people boycotted the polls and stripped away political mandate then that could be interesting ... would "democracy" survive less than 10% turnout? And what would happen then ...
"Hitler may have been popular but killing your political opponents hardly marks one out as a great democrat. Would democracy survive? Hmm, it would unless someone starts a revolution, but that would probably necessitate some political engagement in itself. | |||
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Now for what really matters, there's a huge hoor of a pothole up the road I must see who can sort that | |||
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" I'm finding it difficult to take any interest in the upcoming elections but i will vote, the current government have been a huge disappointment in that they have not made the civil service accountable for there actions or lack of them, the botched manner in which Irish Water has been set up was the last straw for me. I definitely won't vote for SF , they would be a disaster for the self employed and if anyone thinks they will look after the less privileged take a look at the social welfare rates in NI where they power share, they must be very efficient with there personal budgeting though as they have a nice lifestyle from the average industrial wage .
Now for what really matters, there's a huge hoor of a pothole up the road I must see who can sort that "You're presumably self employed like myself. I can only point out that FF /FG /LAB haven't exactly made self employment very lucrative over the last few years. | |||
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" if anyone thinks they will look after the less privileged take a look at the social welfare rates in NI where they power share, they must be very efficient with there personal budgeting though as they have a nice lifestyle from the average industrial wage " The northern executive has very limited fiscal powers so that's not a valid comparison at all. | |||
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