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"To sex in Ireland? Swinging sex, no strings etc. do you think Ireland has a backwards downgrading view on it by a lot of people ?" There is still a taboo element to an extent, but it has been slowly eroded over the last 30 years... The obvious recipient of blame for this is the hold the Church had over the country for so long. Now that hold has almost disappeared, people are less afraid to express themselves in terms of their sexuality and embrace sex in a positive way. We've come a long way, but there are still some hurdles and barriers to be broken down. | |||
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"There is even a lot out there and you mention no strings sex and it’s like your suggesting something dirty etc. a lot have a negative mentality towords it." The stuff we are told when we are young sticks. The best we can do is stop it in it's tracks now and not let it be passed on | |||
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"Church gets a hit for most things these days. Time to change the record" The church literally controlled the population and tells everyone that sex outside marriage is shameful. You don't think this stuff has a lasting effect? Wake up! | |||
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"Church gets a hit for most things these days. Time to change the record The church literally controlled the population and tells everyone that sex outside marriage is shameful. You don't think this stuff has a lasting effect? Wake up!" Thank of all those poor young lads who went blind | |||
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" Thank of all those poor young lads who went blind" That's not true, I checked! | |||
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"Church gets a hit for most things these days. Time to change the record" Have to agree A quick search on the history of Sexual Repression gave me the below answer The history of sexual repression since 500 BC is a complex shift from the communal, philosophical sexualities of the ancient world to the rigid moral controls of the Middle Ages, culminating in the hyper-regulated Victorian era, before the global push for liberation. Ancient Foundations & The Rise of Moral Codes (500 BC – 500 AD)Ancient Greece & Rome: While often viewed as sexually open, ancient societies were highly stratified. Sex was largely acceptable if it reinforced social hierarchies. Homosexuality and pederasty were socially acceptable within strict cultural rules. However, strict taboos were placed on women's sexuality, heavily enforced by laws demanding marital fidelity to guarantee male lineage. Early Christianity: As the Roman Empire transitioned to the medieval era, the body and sexual desire became viewed as a source of sin. Theologians like St. Augustine shifted the paradigm: sex was exclusively for procreation within marriage, and any sexual act devoid of reproductive intent was considered inherently sinful. The Middle Ages & Early Modern Era (500 AD – 1700 AD)Narrow Norms: Medieval attitudes toward sexuality were incredibly restrictive. The Church dictated strict rules on acceptable times, positions, and days for sex (prohibiting sex during menstruation, feast days, and pregnancies).Witch Hunts & Reformation: Beginning in the 16th century, sexual repression became a massive driving force in Western societal development. The Counter-Reformation and Protestant movements enforced strict marital fidelity. Sexual "deviance" (homosexuality, non-procreative acts, and adultery) was heavily penalized and often framed as a threat to societal and moral order. The Victorian Climax (18th – 19th Century)The "Repressive Hypothesis": Historian Michel Foucault coined this term to describe the societal shifts of the 18th and 19th centuries. With the rise of the bourgeois order and industrial capitalism, sexuality was moved entirely out of public view and confined to the marital bedroom for the sole purpose of procreation and producing future labor.Prudery and Silence: Sex became utilitarian, hidden, and surrounded by intense shame. Public health and medical establishments were used to pathologize any non-heteronormative sexual desires, branding them as mental illnesses or physical defects. Global Modernity & The Sexual Revolution (20th – 21st Century)The Turning Point: The mid-20th century, specifically the 1960s, marked the beginning of a major cultural shift where Western society broke free from Victorian constraints. The invention of hormonal contraception (the pill) permanently divorced sexual activity from procreation, allowing for a broader celebration of sexual pleasure. | |||
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" Thank of all those poor young lads who went blind That's not true, I checked!" Does glasses count? | |||
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"Church gets a hit for most things these days. Time to change the record The church literally controlled the population and tells everyone that sex outside marriage is shameful. You don't think this stuff has a lasting effect? Wake up!" I agree. Wasn't that long ago. You look at the different attitudes between Ireland and across the water. | |||
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"Church gets a hit for most things these days. Time to change the record" The reason the church takes the hit is because of what priests did right up into the 90's and probably beyond that They fully deserve everything they get with dwindling congregations and eventually an elderly population of priests that die off Nobody is replacing them or the elderly parishioners so eventually it will die off or change They'll have to change or they'll have no one to control the money | |||
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"Church gets a hit for most things these days. Time to change the record Have to agree A quick search on the history of Sexual Repression gave me the below answer (Snip)" What a bizarre post. You are agreeing it's time to change the record on blaming religion, and then go on to post a summary of how religion made sex shameful  | |||
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"Church gets a hit for most things these days. Time to change the record Have to agree A quick search on the history of Sexual Repression gave me the below answer (Snip) What a bizarre post. You are agreeing it's time to change the record on blaming religion, and then go on to post a summary of how religion made sex shameful "Not Religion, Evolution of Historical facts, Not the church as you referred to  | |||
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"Do all religions not promote sex as outside of marriage as shameless or at least they all used to. In the late 90s local Church of Ireland refused to babtise my friends baby as she was a teenager single mum ,though in a relationship with the father." Unfortunately this was pretty common and in many cases is still the norm. The religions didn't change, it's just that most people stopped believing that what they preach is the truth. | |||
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"Church gets a hit for most things these days. Time to change the record Have to agree A quick search on the history of Sexual Repression gave me the below answer (Snip) What a bizarre post. You are agreeing it's time to change the record on blaming religion, and then go on to post a summary of how religion made sex shameful
Not Religion, Evolution of Historical facts, Not the church as you referred to "Is that kind of like Alternative Facts? That was popular in 2017 | |||
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"Definitely feel its ole Catholic Ireland is the reason why swinging is still taboo in this country. Id love to sit down have a chat with my friends over it all but there's always the fear of being judged, us being judged for something we enjoy wouldn't sit well with me at the same time, so with that its best to stay silent on it all." If my friends judged I wouldn't be due to any residual Catholic guilt it would be more so that they likely consider it a form of cheating and most cples have that jealousy which doesn't come from a spiritual place | |||
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"The church is to blame for people who are over 50 attitude to sex. Anyone my age i know couldn't give one shite what the church says. Thanks dev for handing it over to them. Plenty people my age and younger see swinging and partner swapping as taboo and it has nothing to do with the church" While I agree that younger people often don't have a direct relationship with the judgement of the church, they are still effected by it. It takes a long time for the whole society to change it's attitude. It matters how we were raised by our parents and their beliefs. It matters what authority our schools teach us under. Many times those teachings are rooted in religious belief systems and still do effect young people. | |||
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