FabSwingers.com forum: Respect for president zelensky

By *thloneros38 OP Man
22 weeks ago

athlone/roscommon

After watching zelensky and thrump/ vance try and bully zelensky into something like a michael collins outcome he walked away with respect so sulut from me 🫶

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By *mateur100Man
22 weeks ago

nr faversham

"After watching zelensky and thrump/ vance try and bully zelensky into something like a michael collins outcome he walked away with respect so sulut from me 🫶"

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By *og-ManMan
22 weeks ago

somewhere

But he wasn't wearing a suit

I wonder what do the people who voted for Trump think of it or is there just blind loyalty

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By (user no longer on site)
22 weeks ago

Delighted with the way Zelenskyy stood up for his people and country. Trump and Vance are nothing but bullied. Fair play to him for walking away. The US thinks it's way more important than it actually is.

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By *oodieMan
22 weeks ago

Mayo

Trump and Vance are just two bullies, they’re the ones I think dropped the ball on the global stage today

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By *rish-blacksmithMan
22 weeks ago

Cork

He did great and he's right to be furious and disappointed.

If only they were all such decent men

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By (user no longer on site)
22 weeks ago

I agree he showed what it is to be a real leader with courage and patience to stand up for his people and country and them two fools beside him trying to make themselves look big and bully him into their Russian and greed filled corrupt minds. The US no longer stands for freedom and democracy only what they can gain out of it

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By *ubadubdubWoman
22 weeks ago

Hereabouts

It was awful to watch, like Zelenski had been baited and they were there to tear him apart. Totally insulting, treating him like an unruly subordinate rather than an elected leader of a sovereign state.

God knows what other whippings they intend to issue out, under these circumstances other nations should reconsider their plans to visit the White House.

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By *astelloWoman
22 weeks ago

Far far away

Trump and Vance showed their true colours. There complete lack of historical knowledge, actually correcting Zelenskky on dates and American journalists asking why he didn't wear a suit. The absolute arrogance and condescending matter was abhorrent to watch.

Trump desire for wealth above all makes him a perfect bedfellow for Putin.

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By *oodieMan
22 weeks ago

Mayo

"Trump and Vance showed their true colours. There complete lack of historical knowledge, actually correcting Zelenskky on dates and American journalists asking why he didn't wear a suit. The absolute arrogance and condescending matter was abhorrent to watch.

Trump desire for wealth above all makes him a perfect bedfellow for Putin."

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By *og-ManMan
22 weeks ago

somewhere

Trump desire for wealth above all makes him a perfect bedfellow for Putin."

Just saw on CNN that as soon as he got out of the car Trump turned to the press and said " nice to see someone dressing for the white house " .....I bet he wouldn't mention it if some rich Saudi king turned up in his traditional white robes

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By *ipstick KissesWoman
22 weeks ago

Newry

Trump desire for wealth above all makes him a perfect bedfellow for Putin.

And Musk tweeted about it with a laughing face emoji.

Absolute bunch of cunts.

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By *otownkid1967Man
22 weeks ago

Portlaoise

Personally I think Trump and Vance ambushed Zelenski, thinking they could bully him into a deal that would leave Ukraine in a financial hole for years to come. Trump made little of Biden and Obama in the interview again with false rhetoric. It was all played out for the cameras which is not how that sort of thing is done apart from films. Fair play to Zelenski for standing his ground.

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By *electableicecreamMan
22 weeks ago

The West

Trump lost face and looked like a dumb kid beside Macron and Starmer so b they used Zelensky to put on a show of force.

They sank the trade deal and made global headlines out of Russian talking points. It's a win for them.

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By *attooYouMan
22 weeks ago

just about northside

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By *attooYouMan
22 weeks ago

just about northside

Off the wall and obnoxious. I think peace is not high up on their agenda.

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By *uddlyBear1972Man
22 weeks ago

North Meath, beyond that there be dragons

I agree with everyone's sentiments here but unfortunately what we saw in screen will get twisted by Fox, NewsMax etc to make it look good for the NAGA constituents. This was premeditated. So much for the Macron and Starmer charm offensive. This means Europe is on its own. As a continent we need to man up.

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By *0ndayMan
22 weeks ago

Newcastle

I must of watched something totally different happening in the oval office, so I will exercise my freedom of speech and say nothing

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
22 weeks ago

East / North, Cork

One thing is for sure.... nobody outside of America can expect America to act as an ally any more as they are only interested in self-interest. Treatys and agreements in place are no longer worth the paper they are written on. Trump has upended America's relationship with the rest of the world and Europe can no longer rely on them for support and we are on our own to deal with Putin's aggression.

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By *asual777Man
22 weeks ago

i travel all over

Whilst trump is an abhorrent character his position comes with significant power . He is a man child who needs managing , and by managing him some of his power may come your way . He has a massive ego and if he feels that this is sufficiently ‘massaged’ he ll do business I think .

The bullying stuff is typical of how he has contributed to lowering the standards and expectations of leaders . However wearing a suit and praising his interest and work in the conflict might have diffused things a little .

He might not have those expectations of rich Arab leaders but they have serious money the Ukraine doesn’t have . Zelenskyy is a bit too straight/decent and maybe inflexible in terms of managing trump . Plus the language barrier thing should have been managed better too .

I don’t expect much out of trump but his ego and awfulness is hardly news . The question is which leaders can manage him . Some have shown they can

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By (user no longer on site)
22 weeks ago

MAGA

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By *ubadubdubWoman
22 weeks ago

Hereabouts

However wearing a suit and praising his interest and work in the conflict might have diffused things a little .

I disagree.

Bowing at Trumps feet and kissing his ring wouldn't have even worked, though he obviously felt that was his due. The Americans had the script written (and it sounded like Russian propaganda) and they were gonna hit all their points no matter what.

Zelenskis choices were to limited and he chose to be himself and be a proud and loyal Ukrainian.

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By *ildarekinkstersCouple
22 weeks ago

kinkytown

Trump thinks he's some sort of king and everyone should bow down to him when he is in fact a low intelligence narcissist who has surrounded himself by sycophants and yes people while being boosted by social media and media personalities. Him and that couch fucker made a show of themselves while alienating half of the world even more by that stunt they pulled.

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By *tarbuckmanMan
22 weeks ago

Dublin

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By *tarbuckmanMan
22 weeks ago

Dublin

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By *tarbuckmanMan
22 weeks ago

Dublin

"Whilst trump is an abhorrent character his position comes with significant power . He is a man child who needs managing , and by managing him some of his power may come your way . He has a massive ego and if he feels that this is sufficiently ‘massaged’ he ll do business I think .

I don’t expect much out of trump but his ego and awfulness is hardly news . The question is which leaders can manage him . Some have shown they can "

Agree with this.

It was unfortunate on so many levels.

Zelenskyy showing up dressed appropriately would have been a very good start, regardless of what he has worn elsewhere in the past.

It was going to be perceived by Trump as disrespectful even if that was not what was intended.

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22 weeks ago

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By *inky Bear and VicsCouple
22 weeks ago

Belfast and Tyrone

I don’t expect much out of trump but his ego and awfulness is hardly news . The question is which leaders can manage him . Some have shown they can "

I tried to watch it and it was so painful to watch, I actually couldnt view the whole thing. Unfortunately for Zelensky, being a good man gets you nowhere with the orange eejit.

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By *og-ManMan
22 weeks ago

somewhere

I think our Taoiseach is going to get his arse handed back to him on a plate in March.

He can't feckin answer a question about Lowry so when Trump asked why did we take 13 Billion off Apple he won't know where to look

I can understand completely why Zelensky wears combats

He's letting everyone know there's still a war on in his country and when he's home he blends in more with the soldiers if there's an attack by Russians

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By *inky Bear and VicsCouple
22 weeks ago

Belfast and Tyrone

"I think our Taoiseach is going to get his arse handed back to him on a plate in March.

He can't feckin answer a question about Lowry so when Trump asked why did we take 13 Billion off Apple he won't know where to look

I can understand completely why Zelensky wears combats

He's letting everyone know there's still a war on in his country and when he's home he blends in more with the soldiers if there's an attack by Russians

I understand too. But the Thrumper doesn't. He's too shallow

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By *adger BrocMan
22 weeks ago

Co. Cork

"However wearing a suit and praising his interest and work in the conflict might have diffused things a little .

I disagree.

Zelenskis choices were to limited and he chose to be himself and be a proud and loyal Ukrainian. "

This exactly.

The Orange Agent has always been Putin's puppet. It will take ordinary American citizens to wake up to the fact that the future of the country they hold so dear is now in the hands of Russia. The US has been stealthily invaded by Russia and is being run by a foreign agent......that a majority of them were thick enough to elect.

Wold democracy is being threatened because idiotic people cannot see through The Orange Peril.

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By *asual777Man
22 weeks ago

i travel all over

Guardian today

‘ uk strategy was 3 fold . Flatter trump’s ego . Ask for things that also benefit the US. Stand for the UK National interest ‘

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
22 weeks ago

My town

It was a appalling watch. From the start mocking another president who is in the middle of a war on his clothes he was wearing. Even calling the former president stupid on live tv also. But the main thing was the treatment, he received just shows who side trump is on .

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By *eckycd41TV/TS
22 weeks ago

Navan

Vance is scum of the earth , a set up from start to finish

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By *adger BrocMan
22 weeks ago

Co. Cork

"Guardian today

‘ uk strategy was 3 fold . Flatter trump’s ego . Ask for things that also benefit the US. Stand for the UK National interest ‘ "

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At least Zelensky had the courage of his convictions and represented the citizens of Ukraine against an invader. The British political establishment does not have it in its psyche to understand what it is like to have their country overtaken and ruled by an invader.

Starmer's simpering to Trump shows just how weak the UK has become in terms of global influence.

A strong United Europe will lead the way as a geopolitical power for good.

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By *avexxMan
22 weeks ago

cheshire

it does seem to be a set up.. icouldnt believe what i was seeing and hearing,, shocking

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By *aidForSharingWoman
22 weeks ago

Lancashire

"It was a appalling watch. From the start mocking another president who is in the middle of a war on his clothes he was wearing. Even calling the former president stupid on live tv also. But the main thing was the treatment, he received just shows who side trump is on . "

It's disrespectful not to dress formally in a host country's presidential company. Z isn't a soldier. He's a president. Maybe if he dressed like one he'd be treated like one.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
22 weeks ago

Central

The US has now decreed that Russia is not a risk for cyber-attacks. Their prevention teams fired too.

We have to judge by what is done and must reassess what we think the USA is now. After the atrocious mauling of Zelensky, they are not our closest allies and we need to reformulate

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By *og-ManMan
22 weeks ago

somewhere

It's disrespectful not to dress formally in a host country's presidential company. Z isn't a soldier. He's a president. Maybe if he dressed like one he'd be treated like one."

The real president of America wore jeans,a sweatshirt and a baseball cap with his young son on his shoulders in the oval office last week

Have you seen the amount of pictures of Trump meeting Arab leaders,Indian leaders and assorted presidents when they're not wearing suits

When there's a war on wearing a suit is not a high priority

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By *adger BrocMan
22 weeks ago

Co. Cork

It's disrespectful not to dress formally in a host country's presidential company. Z isn't a soldier. He's a president. Maybe if he dressed like one he'd be treated like one.

The real president of America wore jeans,a sweatshirt and a baseball cap with his young son on his shoulders in the oval office last week

Have you seen the amount of pictures of Trump meeting Arab leaders,Indian leaders and assorted presidents when they're not wearing suits

When there's a war on wearing a suit is not a high priority

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It has been a quick transition from democracy to oligarchy in the US. Next stop dictatorship.

The musk brat was being shown around his future home....

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By *ozzlesMan
22 weeks ago

galway

Making this a conversation about clothing is infantile while men, women and children burn. This is just Trump's narrative. This meeting went exactly how Trump and Vance wanted it to go. They can now make decisions with global consequences based on their poor hurt feelings. Total set up, thought Zelensky handled it pretty well.

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By (user no longer on site)
22 weeks ago

Ireland conceded 6 counties and no winner was announced.

IMO...Zalensky needs to smarten up his appearance & "card game"

Turing up in the US expecting anything other than a deal to be done was naive.

Ukraine will have to concede ground/resources or face being obliterated. The risk of further advancement West is very real.

Europe does not have the might or funds to keep this invasion at bay.

Hopefully we see this get sorted soon, prevent further bloodshed and for people to return hometo rebuild their communities & country.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
22 weeks ago

East / North, Cork

"Ireland conceded 6 counties and no winner was announced.

IMO...Zalensky needs to smarten up his appearance & "card game"

Turing up in the US expecting anything other than a deal to be done was naive.

Ukraine will have to concede ground/resources or face being obliterated. The risk of further advancement West is very real.

Europe does not have the might or funds to keep this invasion at bay.

Hopefully we see this get sorted soon, prevent further bloodshed and for people to return hometo rebuild their communities & country.

I think Zelensky is ready to concede some land, the issue is more that that there is nothing to stop Putin regrouping and just invading again because there is no military support being offered as part of these deals. Putin already broke the previous agreement. Any deal without this is just delaying the next invasion.

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman
22 weeks ago

My town

It's disrespectful not to dress formally in a host country's presidential company. Z isn't a soldier. He's a president. Maybe if he dressed like one he'd be treated like one."
chruchill didn't wear a suit visiting the white house when England at war

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By *onnachakeaneMan
22 weeks ago

Dundrum

The whole charade was scummy… unbecoming of Heads of State.. I felt sorry for Zelenski… Trump/Vance are imbeciles…. He was only short of demanding Zelenski to kiss his ring and bow to him..

Europe needs to step up and take complete control and support Zelenski… US are no longer the protectors of Freedom..

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By *rystalsswingCouple
22 weeks ago

Up the Road / Galway/ Midlands

Omg! Horrific television, cringe even.

All I see is bullying.

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By *rystalsswingCouple
22 weeks ago

Up the Road / Galway/ Midlands

Vance your not the ride I thought you were 😪

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
22 weeks ago

East / North, Cork

"Vance your not the ride I thought you were 😪"

Unfortunately just because the fascist wears eyeliner, doesn't make him any less a fascist.

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By *aterford1968Man
22 weeks ago

Waterford

In 1994, in what is called the Massandra Accords, the United States mediated between Russia and Ukraine, the three countries signed the Trilateral Statement on January 14, 1994. Ukraine committed to full disarmament, including strategic weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia.

In 2014, Russia invaded Crimea and the USA did not follow through with their promise of securities.

In 2019, Zelensky signed an agreement with Putin to stop the fighting and have peace.

In February 24, 2022, Putin broke that agreement.

All Zelensky is asking for is a guarantee of security when signing the deal for the rare minerals. He is asking, how can he be guaranteed Ukraine will have security when past deals have been broken.

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By *thloneros38 OP Man
22 weeks ago

athlone/roscommon

Trump is trump and if thing dont go his way he overpowers people and vance was elected 2nd in command to be a pitbull.

When micheal heads over expect ireland to be the republic of america because micheal couldnt do what president zelenskyy which is to put the country 1st regardlest of the outcome.

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By *iktikiCouple
22 weeks ago

city centre

"But he wasn't wearing a suit

I wonder what do the people who voted for Trump think of it or is there just blind loyalty

Blind stupidity to vote for him followed blind loyalty.

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By *iktikiCouple
22 weeks ago

city centre

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22 weeks ago

city centre

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By *iktikiCouple
22 weeks ago

city centre

"But he wasn't wearing a suit

I wonder what do the people who voted for Trump think of it or is there just blind loyalty

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By *rystalsswingCouple
22 weeks ago

Up the Road / Galway/ Midlands

"Vance your not the ride I thought you were 😪

Unfortunately just because the fascist wears eyeliner, doesn't make him any less a fascist."

That was a tougne in cheek comment.

What happened yesterday was nothing less than a freak show. All planned. Everyone is bowing to the biggest and pinkish/redish bully.

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By *ou_knocked22Man
22 weeks ago

dublin

Agree with all, respect for Zelenski, but was less media savy for their antics....understandable given language and he's oh ya at war.

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By *rutus83Man
22 weeks ago

naas

"In 1994, in what is called the Massandra Accords, the United States mediated between Russia and Ukraine, the three countries signed the Trilateral Statement on January 14, 1994. Ukraine committed to full disarmament, including strategic weapons, in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia.

In 2014, Russia invaded Crimea and the USA did not follow through with their promise of securities.

In 2019, Zelensky signed an agreement with Putin to stop the fighting and have peace.

In February 24, 2022, Putin broke that agreement.

All Zelensky is asking for is a guarantee of security when signing the deal for the rare minerals. He is asking, how can he be guaranteed Ukraine will have security when past deals have been broken.

I think your missing a big chunk of that story.

ie. America,Nato and Russia signing an agreement in 1990 that nato doesn't move itself closer to the Russian boarder and Russian won't try restart the soviet union.

2014 was also the year America helped ukraine start a coup to change the presidency to someone they favoured and who favoured America.

Now saying all of that a few months into that Ukraine and Russia war putin called for an end to the war and the Ukraine president to come to the table only for Boris johnson to step in and ruined that chance.

There is a lot more going on that Trump and jd vance shite.

Them minerals deal would of helped ukraine pay back the monies owed back to America and probably of got him more weapons and ammo.

It concerns me that Europe haven't tried to step in and helped to stop the war.

Bringing Russia and Ukraine together to prevent more deaths on both sides should be the main aim for everyone.

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By *UIETELLE2052Couple
22 weeks ago

Dundrum

I think he has an easy answer on Apple as Gov tried not to take it but ECJ decided otherwise. Also he is a seasoned DFA minister too so will manage Trump better than others. Not FF btw.

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By *aid backMan
22 weeks ago

by a lake with my rod out

None of this would have happened if Ukraine didn't give up its nukes

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By *mateur100Man
22 weeks ago

nr faversham

They were soviet nukes left over from the break up but the point is accurate

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