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By *etmebeurfantasy OP   Woman
6 days ago

My town

Some might think this isn't related to swinging but some parents on here going through the sane.

My daughter is doing her mocks and really struggles with the anxiety of the exams. I've spoken to careers guidance, who spoke to her (without her knowing I had spoken before)

I support her..but the lack of confidence she has when comes to exams it's heartbreaking. She normally is very confident. Anyone else has young adults the same. I never had this with older kids. They got on with it

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By *heCatWhoGotTheCream2024Man
6 days ago

Funville

I don't have children but the leaving cert should be more weighted to continous assessment over a 2 year period than heaping loads of pressure on young people over a 2 week period in June. There is already enough pressures in their lives already.

I don't think it's a fair way to measure if someone is worthy for a college place.

It's a tough time for young adults and their parents for sure 😬

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By *ella.Woman
6 days ago

Longford


"Some might think this isn't related to swinging but some parents on here going through the sane.

My daughter is doing her mocks and really struggles with the anxiety of the exams. I've spoken to careers guidance, who spoke to her (without her knowing I had spoken before)

I support her..but the lack of confidence she has when comes to exams it's heartbreaking. She normally is very confident. Anyone else has young adults the same. I never had this with older kids. They got on with it "

Yes, I have been there.even in 3rd level it's the same . Ill pm you.

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By *etmebeurfantasy OP   Woman
6 days ago

My town


"I don't have children but the leaving cert should be more weighted to continous assessment over a 2 year period than heaping loads of pressure on young people over a 2 week period in June. There is already enough pressures in their lives already.. its unbelievable the pressure on young head's schools don't help really as they tell them stuff like , this is the most important year of your life , study study study . Honestly the schools only want to show the end of year leaving cert results as being high points for them as a school not for the kids, once they walk out of 6th yr they move on to incoming year.

I don't think it's a fair way to measure if someone is worthy for a college place.

It's a tough time for young adults and their parents for sure 😬"

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By *iscuits8Man
6 days ago

Meath / Dublin / Birmingham

First off, I've never had kids never mind Leaving Cert age kids. And I'm terrible at giving advice and tend to just waffle!

But is it just a general lack of confidence, or just that she doesn't think she'll get the required results for a particular course/career she has in mind?

Like many others I agree that the Leaving is not fit for purpose in its current state.

One good thing is that a lot of careers have various routes towards them - whether it's directly studying in college, trying out a PLC course before committing, internships (if they can be afforded) etc. Even the likes of the civil service where you can work and have other studies/courses paid for, and go in different direction, learning on the job.

Between myself and any friends/family I know, not one of us chose a career in our Leaving Cert year, studied it, and went on to work in that field. I think it's a massive headfuck - excuse the language - to ever expect someone in their late teens to make a decision on what they want to do for the remainder of their lives, and commit to it. Sure I thought I knew at age 17! - I dropped out, took a year out to work, did loads and loads of fun stuff like travel, then studied something else which I'm in a career with since. And yet, I've still never been fully happy with what I chose.

Those couple of years after I initially dropped out and just enjoyed myself and stepped back from committing to anything again in a hurry were some of the best days of my life. We're still so young at that age and there shouldn't be any mad rush to get so career-minded.

(Told you I waffle...)

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By *etmebeurfantasy OP   Woman
6 days ago

My town

She thinks she won't get the points.

But I often think is it just the bright lights of college they wanting... told her many people don't get the desired job they want even past lc year going into 3rd level education. Honestly I think once they exams are done and you get results. The following year then decide what to do not to jump straight into a course. It's so stressful doing the exams, waiting cn results choices of college's then seeing if your excepted. The highs and the lows . It should be compulsory that after a yr post lc than you can decide.

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By *iscuits8Man
6 days ago

Meath / Dublin / Birmingham

Honestly, feel free to not answer this for whatever reason - if it might be identifying (or you think I'm just being nosey!) but, what type of job/industry is she hopeful of getting into?

I do agree on the stresses of it - I wasn't a star pupil or a swat but I put the head down and had a fairly reasonable level of intelligence - but when it came to exam days, nerves very often consumed me and affected "performace" on the day (no bovious jokes from the smart arses here... )

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By *rmrs1234Couple
6 days ago

Waterford

Going through this at the moment with our oldest and shes only doing the JC mocks. Shes just home from her history exam and she told us that she cried because she couldnt remember anything about the 1798 rebellion. I was (still am) an awful panicker when it comes to exams. Theres so much pressure on them at that young age. Ive tried telling her that all she can do is her best and that whatever she gets then so be it. Just be there for them and try to reassure them as best you can x

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By *ichael McCarthyMan
6 days ago

Lucan


"Going through this at the moment with our oldest and shes only doing the JC mocks. Shes just home from her history exam and she told us that she cried because she couldnt remember anything about the 1798 rebellion. I was (still am) an awful panicker when it comes to exams. Theres so much pressure on them at that young age. Ive tried telling her that all she can do is her best and that whatever she gets then so be it. Just be there for them and try to reassure them as best you can x"

A history teacher I had 45 years ago said that if a question came up about any Irish rebellion and we couldn't think of anything to write, start with "they all died" and you'll be halfway there.

Exams are a cruel way of judging someone's ability as it all depends on how they feel on the day. Some are good at getting their heads in the right condition for it but many aren't. Continuous assessment seems much fairer to me but there's no appetite for it among the teaching fraternity.

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By *phrodite72Woman
6 days ago

dublin/galway


"She thinks she won't get the points.

But I often think is it just the bright lights of college they wanting... told her many people don't get the desired job they want even past lc year going into 3rd level education. Honestly I think once they exams are done and you get results. The following year then decide what to do not to jump straight into a course. It's so stressful doing the exams, waiting cn results choices of college's then seeing if your excepted. The highs and the lows . It should be compulsory that after a yr post lc than you can decide. "

That's kind of what my daughter did 2 years ago she wanted to b a guard but had zero interest in any college courses and felt she would just b going to uni for the sake of it so purposely filled put the cao with courses all above 560 points that she knew she wouldn't get to give herself the year out to see what she really wanted .. worked as a waitress and realised if she didn't get into the guards she had nothing to fall back on so found a course in DCU that really interested her and started that the following year and loves it...the year out was the best decision for her xx

My son 4 years ago wanted to do digital business and innovation in DCU and tbh I didn't think he would get the required 511 points so I had him fill in a few plc courses with much lower points just in case (although he did get into DCU it took the intense pressure off him that at least if the exams didn't go his way he still had options)

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By *uriousVoyeurMan
6 days ago

Northside

My youngest is doing her LC mocks at the moment and while studying like mad we have it drummed into her that it's not the end of the world if she doesn't do well. The mocks are simply a guide to what you need to work harder on in the actual LC. It's a memory test and a horrible way to assess someone's level of intelligence. Any anxiety on the day or even a hint of nerves can fuck up all the hard work put in while studying. Ours knows that if she doesn't get the points she needs then there are plenty of other ways to get into her chosen course. Although tbh,she hasn't fully decided what she wants to do yet ..and how many of us knew at 18 what we wanted to do for the rest of our lives? OP,I hope your daughter learns to believe in herself before the exams...I'm sure she'll be fine once they're over and done with!

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By *etmebeurfantasy OP   Woman
6 days ago

My town


"My youngest is doing her LC mocks at the moment and while studying like mad we have it drummed into her that it's not the end of the world if she doesn't do well. The mocks are simply a guide to what you need to work harder on in the actual LC. It's a memory test and a horrible way to assess someone's level of intelligence. Any anxiety on the day or even a hint of nerves can fuck up all the hard work put in while studying. Ours knows that if she doesn't get the points she needs then there are plenty of other ways to get into her chosen course. Although tbh,she hasn't fully decided what she wants to do yet ..and how many of us knew at 18 what we wanted to do for the rest of our lives? OP,I hope your daughter learns to believe in herself before the exams...I'm sure she'll be fine once they're over and done with!"
that's it 18 is no age after the yr they have done a yr out would do the world of good. My oldest didn't last long in her chosen career and is now doing what we said for yrs to do but she was having none of it.... at 18 they think they know everything. All I get it you don't understand. I think my kids don't realise I was 18 once

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By *eadMeisterMan
6 days ago

near you...maybe


"My youngest is doing her LC mocks at the moment and while studying like mad we have it drummed into her that it's not the end of the world if she doesn't do well. The mocks are simply a guide to what you need to work harder on in the actual LC. It's a memory test and a horrible way to assess someone's level of intelligence. Any anxiety on the day or even a hint of nerves can fuck up all the hard work put in while studying. Ours knows that if she doesn't get the points she needs then there are plenty of other ways to get into her chosen course. Although tbh,she hasn't fully decided what she wants to do yet ..and how many of us knew at 18 what we wanted to do for the rest of our lives? OP,I hope your daughter learns to believe in herself before the exams...I'm sure she'll be fine once they're over and done with!"

This is everything. A lot of kids are lacking in confidence...they thrive in their silence and virtually world. But they also need to know that the reality of the outside world.

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By *rmrs1234Couple
6 days ago

Waterford


"Going through this at the moment with our oldest and shes only doing the JC mocks. Shes just home from her history exam and she told us that she cried because she couldnt remember anything about the 1798 rebellion. I was (still am) an awful panicker when it comes to exams. Theres so much pressure on them at that young age. Ive tried telling her that all she can do is her best and that whatever she gets then so be it. Just be there for them and try to reassure them as best you can x

A history teacher I had 45 years ago said that if a question came up about any Irish rebellion and we couldn't think of anything to write, start with "they all died" and you'll be halfway there.

Exams are a cruel way of judging someone's ability as it all depends on how they feel on the day. Some are good at getting their heads in the right condition for it but many aren't. Continuous assessment seems much fairer to me but there's no appetite for it among the teaching fraternity. "

I think so too. If she was to go by her history average alone shed be at 98%. She does excellent in regular tests but she puts herself under so much pressure for the "big" tests and she panics in them then because she convinces herself shes going to fail before even walking into it.

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By *etmebeurfantasy OP   Woman
6 days ago

My town


"Going through this at the moment with our oldest and shes only doing the JC mocks. Shes just home from her history exam and she told us that she cried because she couldnt remember anything about the 1798 rebellion. I was (still am) an awful panicker when it comes to exams. Theres so much pressure on them at that young age. Ive tried telling her that all she can do is her best and that whatever she gets then so be it. Just be there for them and try to reassure them as best you can x

A history teacher I had 45 years ago said that if a question came up about any Irish rebellion and we couldn't think of anything to write, start with "they all died" and you'll be halfway there.

Exams are a cruel way of judging someone's ability as it all depends on how they feel on the day. Some are good at getting their heads in the right condition for it but many aren't. Continuous assessment seems much fairer to me but there's no appetite for it among the teaching fraternity.

I think so too. If she was to go by her history average alone shed be at 98%. She does excellent in regular tests but she puts herself under so much pressure for the "big" tests and she panics in them then because she convinces herself shes going to fail before even walking into it. "
same as my daughter. Random tests don't bother her but once you mention lc exams her nerves get the better of her. With her jc mocks she was the same. But once the actual jc came she was much better . This time its much worse, as jc means feck all really. In terms of when you leave..

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By *ozzlesMan
6 days ago

galway

There are so many more pathways to careers now that the leaving cert is no longer the big deal that it was in the past. Unfortunately it takes time to change the way things are taught and a lot of schools rely on the fear of the leaving cert to get buy in from the students.

Some great PLC's, apprenticeship and short courses out there now that no student should feel there's no place for them.

One of my kids was similar to yours OP. I encouraged her to enroll in a PLC, so that she was able to tell everyone ( sometimes it's fear of being judged by others) that she was doing a year out and a Business course next year. Took the pressure off the exam and she did much better than she expected, attended her PLC and then went on to college the following year.

Good luck

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By *r_Insatiable666Man
6 days ago

Cork

It's a completely medieval thought process. When you're a kid you're always told by adults that the junior cert is important and then other kids start saying the same. Then you do it and it's never brought up again. Then you have the leaving cert. I think it made some sense for 90s kids because their parents might not have done it and considered it an important achievement so it was pushed pretty hard. However it's pointless now if you're going to college which nearly everybody does. The nicest thing you could call the leaving cert is that it's a stepping stone to college.

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By *ildarekinkstersCouple
6 days ago

kinkytown

Mine is under incredible stress with hers. She's up to all hours studying one eve had 10 history essays alone to revise. I've told her the mocks are only to help focus on issue areas and just to not overdo it but the school puts awful pressure on them

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By *ionycusMan
6 days ago

Babylon

Education is do equitable right now that most kids get through the school pretty smoothly, once they are part of a social group. My daughter is also doing the LC, this year and is pretty stressed about making the correct choice on her CAO.

I spend lots of time trying to calm her down and getting her to understand that it's not the "be all and end all of everything".

How can a 17/18 year old know what they want for their future when,without choices they don't even know what they want for dinner?

Every generation thinks the one beneath it is too soft and its possibly true to a certain extent, but who wants to go back to the Christian Brothers beating the times tables into you 😂, twisted fucks.

As for the leaving certificate,its a rite of passage and built up way too much by some teachers, education in a whole needs to change because the leaving certificate awards results largely based on memory, in this day and age being able to think for yourself, is far more valuable than knowing the date of the sacking of Rome or when Germany annexed Poland.

I hope your daughter gets through it all with a good result and her sanity intact.

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By *oo32Man
6 days ago

tipperary

When the results from the mocks come it might help

She can always repeat,reassure her that it'll be ok

There's too much emphasis on the leaving

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