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"Not a mechanic but 1. Try jump starting with another car 2. Check fuel delivery- fuel pump or fuel filter. 3. Check sparkplugs, check air intake 4. Check crankshaft sensor if positioned properly. Best of luck" tried jump-start no luck Its diesel so no spark plugs but the glow plugs seem good as no warning light for them on dash Will check air intake Did think the fuel filter was clogged But at 90 euro for a guess I'll try to eliminate other possibilities first | |||
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"When was timing chain/belt done last" chain was serviced before we bought it , March 2023 , only 40k km on since then | |||
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"Just double check all connectors are connected, push and check they are all in tight Also check there are no wires pulled or loose. Is the engine management light on? Have ye a code reader? You can get them cheap enough if ye don’t." A connector or wire might have dislodged while working on the starter. | |||
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"Without reading codes it’s a bit of a guessing game but you need to be 100% sure it’s not the battery first, a bad battery may be enough to crank but not start. Could be a crank position sensor, fuel shut off solenoid, immobiliser, the list is endless. Are you using the same key/fob? Will it lock/unlock? Have you tried another key/fob? There may have been a loss of communication with the immobiliser which could prevent it starting. Try disconnecting the battery completely for a while which may cause it to reset itself." same key , battery was out to trickle charge overnight, only 2 wires and 2 bolts to the starter so very simple to replace , It locks and unlocks Can hear the fuel pump starting Disconnected the cam shaft sensor tried to start the car same thing , engine cranks but just not enough to ignite | |||
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"Just double check all connectors are connected, push and check they are all in tight Also check there are no wires pulled or loose. Is the engine management light on? Have ye a code reader? You can get them cheap enough if ye don’t." yes have a code reader guys, nothing showing up engine wise All connections good , unless I have a short somewhere ans it's grounding | |||
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"Fuses... Bad filter.. Bad connections.. Sensor... And nice car...." can't wait to see the back of it it's going g in March | |||
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"Check the battery first ,if it's anything below 12 v it won't have enough power to crank the engine,have you a multi meter " no multimeter , I'll see if I can borrow one | |||
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"Things have gotten worse , battery negative lead was loose ans spinning round , so I tightened it , ans now the nut sheared off , too much weeties for brekkie ...... fml " That's a small problem if it fixed the issue | |||
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"Things have gotten worse , battery negative lead was loose ans spinning round , so I tightened it , ans now the nut sheared off , too much weeties for brekkie ...... fml " 2 or 3 euro to replace it from a motor factors. Hopefully that'll sort it for you. | |||
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"2lt ingenium engine..biggest heap of scrap going..get rid of it asap.you will easily be in negitive equity with that car." it's going in March, worst car I ever had | |||
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"Check your fuse box and relays. Pull them out and push back in " Checked all fuse and relays for starter and fuel pump etc , all in working order | |||
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"A new battery isn't cheap , if your getting one make sure you have the AH number of the old one ,that's your ampere hours rating it has to the the same " battery is 95 ah with stop start tech , 200 euro | |||
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" Back to square one ..... multiple clicking sounds and barely any engine crank at all .. After cranking a few times the battery is drained again since yesterday tried cranking about 7/8 times since charging to full " Get someone to perform a load-test on your battery. | |||
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" Back to square one ..... multiple clicking sounds and barely any engine crank at all .. After cranking a few times the battery is drained again since yesterday tried cranking about 7/8 times since charging to full " I would suspect the battery is one if not all of your problems, if the voltage drops below a certain level during cranking if can cause other things not to kick into life. I’m not sure of the setup in your engine but if you can get it cranking over try to crack a fuel line to see if you’re getting anything to or from the filter, pump or injectors. | |||
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" Back to square one ..... multiple clicking sounds and barely any engine crank at all .. After cranking a few times the battery is drained again since yesterday tried cranking about 7/8 times since charging to full I would suspect the battery is one if not all of your problems, if the voltage drops below a certain level during cranking if can cause other things not to kick into life. I’m not sure of the setup in your engine but if you can get it cranking over try to crack a fuel line to see if you’re getting anything to or from the filter, pump or injectors." I suspect this car will be gone as soon as I can , going back to skoda or bmw , never again will I buy a bloody jag | |||
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"Could if burnt out the started now trying it that many times" nah the battery had full power for about 6 of those tries , it had no power on the last try splits out ans charging again, this time if I have enough power to crank again , I will be purchasing a new battery , if still no ignition it's going to a mechanic | |||
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"How long did it drive since the starter was fitted?" it didn't it was towed home and new starter fitted here | |||
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"Check if fuel coming firstly. No amount of crank will fire off if no fuel. Battery reading full = max output. Relays are a possibility " relays checked all good | |||
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"And have you the same symptoms now as before you fitted the new starter?" no , before the new starter inhad absolutely nothing , zero crank and only clicking , now after new starter fitted she is cranking but just not enough to ignite | |||
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"And have you the same symptoms now as before you fitted the new starter? no , before the new starter inhad absolutely nothing , zero crank and only clicking , now after new starter fitted she is cranking but just not enough to ignite" . Are you sure wires on the solenoid are on correctly | |||
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"I'd say battery be first port of call. Check Voltage with Multi Meter, should be above 12v, then get someone to crank car and see what it drops off too. Ideally shouldnt drop below 10v, if it does change battery. Second I would check fuel delivery, if confident crack of a nut on injector, not completely just a turn and crank, see if diesel comes out. If it doesnt bingo if it does, could still be an air lock in diesel pipes, if a manual can you jump start with a tow, if an Auto, squirt a bit of easy start in the Air Intake and see if you get a reaction, if it starts even for a second with Easi, might be enough to start drawing the diesel up and the air will purge itself out the return pipes eventually. I would be surprised if it isnt battery related though." will try Monday thanks for the info | |||
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"And have you the same symptoms now as before you fitted the new starter? no , before the new starter inhad absolutely nothing , zero crank and only clicking , now after new starter fitted she is cranking but just not enough to ignite. Are you sure wires on the solenoid are on correctly " yes 100% right only 2 wires and 2 bolts | |||
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"Am I right in thinking the car was running OK before the starter went , Since the starter was fitted it's turning over but just not fast enough, If that's the case it sounds like an earth strap is missing from the starter, You could also take the starter off and bench test it just to make sure that it's not faulty " This and if you did disconnect the battery cable maybe check that all the wires are getting a good connection with the battery. Might need cleaning | |||
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"Am I right in thinking the car was running OK before the starter went , Since the starter was fitted it's turning over but just not fast enough, If that's the case it sounds like an earth strap is missing from the starter, You could also take the starter off and bench test it just to make sure that it's not faulty " ther was only 2 wires on the starter , one power lead and one smaller one about the thickness of a phone cable , I will be back under the bas*ard tomorrow just to recheck all connections, there is an earth strap in the boot going from the battery to the chassis , checked and no corrosion and good fit | |||
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"Check engine to body earth strap . Maybe bite the bullet and get a new battery . Them yokes need to crank good n lively for them to fire . " you know what? I've heard this a few times , I'll be back under the car in the morning to check things , what/where am I looking ? | |||
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"Right, the car is 2017 jaguar xf 2 ltr diesel prestige, 2 days before new yrs eve we had a breakdown tried to start the car and nothing only clicking , Starter motor was gone , ordered a new one and hubby replaced it , we now have engine crank ( no clicking engine tries to start) but car just isn't starting , Battery was trickle charged too overnight but If it had a dropped cell it would charge but still not have enough power to crank the engine into ignition , is that possibly the reason? Any help appreciated ! " Did the car initially cut out whilst driving, then you found starter motor not operating. ? | |||
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"Right, the car is 2017 jaguar xf 2 ltr diesel prestige, 2 days before new yrs eve we had a breakdown tried to start the car and nothing only clicking , Starter motor was gone , ordered a new one and hubby replaced it , we now have engine crank ( no clicking engine tries to start) but car just isn't starting , Battery was trickle charged too overnight but If it had a dropped cell it would charge but still not have enough power to crank the engine into ignition , is that possibly the reason? Any help appreciated ! Did the car initially cut out whilst driving, then you found starter motor not operating. ?" no we drve it to the next town over from us for a Chinese, came back to the car 30 mins later , no start , just clicking sounds , smoke coming from starter and red hot to the touch, got it towed home, fitted new starter, now she cranks but just not enough to get ignition | |||
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"Oh dear, from the first post sounds like the ingenium engine which are notorious, not even joking you'd be as well off to put it going and sell it they are well known for being soft as butter. Pull the pipe off the intake and see will she go off easy start " yes 2 ltr ingenium diesel engine , might as well have a wheelbarrow outside for all it's bloody worth | |||
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"Mechanic it's very hard to diagnose Of what you're saying For 1 need a fully charged battery Make sure fuel in car If it ran before battery went dead should be no reason it won't now No engine lights on ? Easy way check is try but if easy start in air intake it should fire up No need rev it , if cuts out you have fuel delivery problem " I have no easy start but I'll get some brought to me , someone said deodorant would do the same job. , not so sure about that | |||
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"Check engine to body earth strap . Maybe bite the bullet and get a new battery . Them yokes need to crank good n lively for them to fire . you know what? I've heard this a few times , I'll be back under the car in the morning to check things , what/where am I looking ? " It's a flat breaded wire more than likely going from bellhousing to the chassis or bulkhousing in the engine compartment  | |||
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"With the battery fully charged you could use one lead of your jump leads ,clamp one side on to the body of the starter motor and the other side to a good earth on the body in the engine bay ,this would rule out a bad earth, The other thing you could try is with the battery disconnected try turning the engine over with a spanner or socket , This is to make sure that there isn't an engine issue causing the starter to fail "will try this tomorrow | |||
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"have you ruled out dpf? " dpf cleaned professionally 6 weeks ago | |||
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"Did you get the right starter motor? There are a few different types depending on engine size and if there is a stop/start engine. I had this issue with a Ford, even though it was ford who replaced it, had to be changed it again. If it’s manual, throw it in 2nd gear get a push and pop the clutch and drive it for a while, might charge up the battery" starter motor came from auto doc , exactly make and model | |||
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"With the battery fully charged you could use one lead of your jump leads ,clamp one side on to the body of the starter motor and the other side to a good earth on the body in the engine bay ,this would rule out a bad earth, The other thing you could try is with the battery disconnected try turning the engine over with a spanner or socket , This is to make sure that there isn't an engine issue causing the starter to fail will try this tomorrow "I'll keep an eye on the thread, what time are ya going at it ? | |||
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"With the battery fully charged you could use one lead of your jump leads ,clamp one side on to the body of the starter motor and the other side to a good earth on the body in the engine bay ,this would rule out a bad earth, The other thing you could try is with the battery disconnected try turning the engine over with a spanner or socket , This is to make sure that there isn't an engine issue causing the starter to fail will try this tomorrow
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"For that make and model they come in a 1.9, 2 and 2.5kW - a 1.9 wont start your engine. It’s worth checking out. " i think the higher kW output are for automatics, this is a manual | |||
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"Mechanic it's very hard to diagnose Of what you're saying For 1 need a fully charged battery Make sure fuel in car If it ran before battery went dead should be no reason it won't now No engine lights on ? Easy way check is try but if easy start in air intake it should fire up No need rev it , if cuts out you have fuel delivery problem I have no easy start but I'll get some brought to me , someone said deodorant would do the same job. , not so sure about that " Sure works every time  | |||
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"Scrap that ford And buy old yaris "skoda vrs I think | |||
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"Mechanic it's very hard to diagnose Of what you're saying For 1 need a fully charged battery Make sure fuel in car If it ran before battery went dead should be no reason it won't now No engine lights on ? Easy way check is try but if easy start in air intake it should fire up No need rev it , if cuts out you have fuel delivery problem I have no easy start but I'll get some brought to me , someone said deodorant would do the same job. , not so sure about that Sure works every time "it better not let me down | |||
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"Alright here we go again ! Wish us luck " Fingers crossed for ya | |||
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"Higher output is for a stop/start engine" just to make sure I didn't f*ck up I checked the OEM , power rating of old starter is 1.9kw | |||
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"If the crank position sensor is near the starter it may have been disturbed fitting it. Also could be an immobiliser issue. Best to get fault codes read and go from there " I'm under it right now bud , I'll keep ye posted | |||
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"I think the giggle pins have sheared off which means the waffle sprocket has probably disconnected from the laughing shaft. " we have a comedian here guys | |||
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"Jaysus....this thread is getting addictive ! Nearly as good as the "classic wooden speed boat build, sink,search for,recovery and rebuild" thread over on the sailing & boating section on boards ! Need to get to the end of this "i need to get to the end of it or I'll be found at the end of a rope lol | |||
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"2lt ingenium engine..biggest heap of scrap going..get rid of it asap.you will easily be in negitive equity with that car." Saw a post online from a guy who worked for Jaguar/Landrover,who said the accountants allowed £2500 to make the engine,and the engineer's said "not possible",and were told,just do it.. | |||
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"2lt ingenium engine..biggest heap of scrap going..get rid of it asap.you will easily be in negitive equity with that car. Saw a post online from a guy who worked for Jaguar/Landrover,who said the accountants allowed £2500 to make the engine,and the engineer's said "not possible",and were told,just do it.." ford engine built in India, I wouldn't be surprised , all information I found out after my first breakdown | |||
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"That’s interesting because stop/start require a higher output…. Is that what the Kw was on the part taken out? " yes original part 1.9 kW | |||
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"There's a lot of messages so sorry if this is covered. I am a mechanic. If the battery has a cell down then that's a problem. If you can jump start it from another car then thats it. A diesel needs a lot of battery power to start. " Sorry to jump in here. I'm a diy head with cars. But have a Nissan with a dead battery we can't get access too, even with the key car won't open, stupid design. I read someone say about connecting jump lead to the starter underneath to give car power. Would the car not jump/spin starter if I did this? | |||
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"There's a lot of messages so sorry if this is covered. I am a mechanic. If the battery has a cell down then that's a problem. If you can jump start it from another car then thats it. A diesel needs a lot of battery power to start. Sorry to jump in here. I'm a diy head with cars. But have a Nissan with a dead battery we can't get access too, even with the key car won't open, stupid design. I read someone say about connecting jump lead to the starter underneath to give car power. Would the car not jump/spin starter if I did this? " negative to the body of starter , positive to the positive terminal of starter , starter should engage unless you hit the ignion bolt and positive bolt with something metal | |||
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"There's a lot of messages so sorry if this is covered. I am a mechanic. If the battery has a cell down then that's a problem. If you can jump start it from another car then thats it. A diesel needs a lot of battery power to start. Sorry to jump in here. I'm a diy head with cars. But have a Nissan with a dead battery we can't get access too, even with the key car won't open, stupid design. I read someone say about connecting jump lead to the starter underneath to give car power. Would the car not jump/spin starter if I did this? negative to the body of starter , positive to the positive terminal of starter , starter should engage unless you hit the ignion bolt and positive bolt with something metal " Ah that's awesome thank you. Just had a fear of being under it and it engaging. Don't know if car in gear, just need to get the door open. Makes sense. I'll be trying to pull the bonnet cable first, but if I'm under car it's another option. Appreciate that | |||
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"There's a lot of messages so sorry if this is covered. I am a mechanic. If the battery has a cell down then that's a problem. If you can jump start it from another car then thats it. A diesel needs a lot of battery power to start. Sorry to jump in here. I'm a diy head with cars. But have a Nissan with a dead battery we can't get access too, even with the key car won't open, stupid design. I read someone say about connecting jump lead to the starter underneath to give car power. Would the car not jump/spin starter if I did this? negative to the body of starter , positive to the positive terminal of starter , starter should engage unless you hit the ignion bolt and positive bolt with something metal Ah that's awesome thank you. Just had a fear of being under it and it engaging. Don't know if car in gear, just need to get the door open. Makes sense. I'll be trying to pull the bonnet cable first, but if I'm under car it's another option. Appreciate that" if only my own problems were as simple as this ! Lol | |||
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"There's a lot of messages so sorry if this is covered. I am a mechanic. If the battery has a cell down then that's a problem. If you can jump start it from another car then thats it. A diesel needs a lot of battery power to start. Sorry to jump in here. I'm a diy head with cars. But have a Nissan with a dead battery we can't get access too, even with the key car won't open, stupid design. I read someone say about connecting jump lead to the starter underneath to give car power. Would the car not jump/spin starter if I did this? negative to the body of starter , positive to the positive terminal of starter , starter should engage unless you hit the ignion bolt and positive bolt with something metal Ah that's awesome thank you. Just had a fear of being under it and it engaging. Don't know if car in gear, just need to get the door open. Makes sense. I'll be trying to pull the bonnet cable first, but if I'm under car it's another option. Appreciate that if only my own problems were as simple as this ! Lol " Still no luck? Wish I knew more to help. Currently trying to get the gears fixed in my own car. And then I have sister's Nissan with a dead battery nobody can get into hahaha. I like thinkering. The starter issue is odd. Main think is spark, air and fuel. But new cars are finiky with computers. For my car, I found a Facebook group that have been great help for things. Maybe it's worth checking that. A collectors or fan group. It's surprising sometimes the amount of people who's had similar issues | |||
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"There's a lot of messages so sorry if this is covered. I am a mechanic. If the battery has a cell down then that's a problem. If you can jump start it from another car then thats it. A diesel needs a lot of battery power to start. Sorry to jump in here. I'm a diy head with cars. But have a Nissan with a dead battery we can't get access too, even with the key car won't open, stupid design. I read someone say about connecting jump lead to the starter underneath to give car power. Would the car not jump/spin starter if I did this? negative to the body of starter , positive to the positive terminal of starter , starter should engage unless you hit the ignion bolt and positive bolt with something metal Ah that's awesome thank you. Just had a fear of being under it and it engaging. Don't know if car in gear, just need to get the door open. Makes sense. I'll be trying to pull the bonnet cable first, but if I'm under car it's another option. Appreciate that if only my own problems were as simple as this ! Lol Still no luck? Wish I knew more to help. Currently trying to get the gears fixed in my own car. And then I have sister's Nissan with a dead battery nobody can get into hahaha. I like thinkering. The starter issue is odd. Main think is spark, air and fuel. But new cars are finiky with computers. For my car, I found a Facebook group that have been great help for things. Maybe it's worth checking that. A collectors or fan group. It's surprising sometimes the amount of people who's had similar issues" had a lad call to le today ,wehaveback pressure in the engine , dpf , turbo , egr valve blocked , timing chain gone , it could be any of those, more investigation needed and fingers crossed it's a small fix | |||
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"There's a lot of messages so sorry if this is covered. I am a mechanic. If the battery has a cell down then that's a problem. If you can jump start it from another car then thats it. A diesel needs a lot of battery power to start. Sorry to jump in here. I'm a diy head with cars. But have a Nissan with a dead battery we can't get access too, even with the key car won't open, stupid design. I read someone say about connecting jump lead to the starter underneath to give car power. Would the car not jump/spin starter if I did this? negative to the body of starter , positive to the positive terminal of starter , starter should engage unless you hit the ignion bolt and positive bolt with something metal Ah that's awesome thank you. Just had a fear of being under it and it engaging. Don't know if car in gear, just need to get the door open. Makes sense. I'll be trying to pull the bonnet cable first, but if I'm under car it's another option. Appreciate that if only my own problems were as simple as this ! Lol Still no luck? Wish I knew more to help. Currently trying to get the gears fixed in my own car. And then I have sister's Nissan with a dead battery nobody can get into hahaha. I like thinkering. The starter issue is odd. Main think is spark, air and fuel. But new cars are finiky with computers. For my car, I found a Facebook group that have been great help for things. Maybe it's worth checking that. A collectors or fan group. It's surprising sometimes the amount of people who's had similar issueshad a lad call to le today ,wehaveback pressure in the engine , dpf , turbo , egr valve blocked , timing chain gone , it could be any of those, more investigation needed and fingers crossed it's a small fix " Hopefully. Pain in the arse none the less | |||
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