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"Aren't we all getting fucked by the government to some extent" Valid point | |||
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"Forcibly reducing stocking rates, mecersur deal(or however you spell it), driving young people out of the country, no one to replace staff, can't afford to build house, no houses around me to rent, if they take my mobile home off me I'll have to sleep in the shed with the cows" Dropped my son back to the airport today, he'll never move back to ireland | |||
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"Discuss your feelings on this" True bro | |||
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"We are too soft on our government. In the 80's we use to protest together. But now a day's we only protest when the issue effects us or our families. Which is very sad to say the Irish just roll over and take it. Kinda wish we were like the French,The way they protest and fight together to get the government to lower the price of petrol and diesel or lower the tax rates or get them to change the legislation they try to bring into law. " This. Nonviolent protest is the way. Pressure needs to be applied and they need to be held to account. | |||
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"We just had a general election...obviously the majority of people didn't want change....disappointing when you consider all the social challenges we have..but that's a democracy for you.." This. In a democracy, the people get the government that they deserve. | |||
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"With regards farming. I think the move towards much larger farms efficiently run by professional trained farmers is the way. It's the same in quite a few industries. Scale is required to make money." Absolutely not,, family farms should be maintained and protected, larger farms are a slippery slope to factory farming & farms being owned by corporations | |||
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"With regards farming. I think the move towards much larger farms efficiently run by professional trained farmers is the way. It's the same in quite a few industries. Scale is required to make money." Scale is not required to make money, maybe it is if you a aiming for the lowest common denominator. Have you heard of the Green Cert, Most young farmers have spent 2 years in Ag College and may then work in other countries as part of their education. We need to move away from a sense of entitlement that someone is going to put cheap food on tables and apprciate the work farmers do | |||
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"With regards farming. I think the move towards much larger farms efficiently run by professional trained farmers is the way. It's the same in quite a few industries. Scale is required to make money. Scale is not required to make money, maybe it is if you a aiming for the lowest common denominator. Have you heard of the Green Cert, Most young farmers have spent 2 years in Ag College and may then work in other countries as part of their education. We need to move away from a sense of entitlement that someone is going to put cheap food on tables and apprciate the work farmers do " I disagree that expecting reasonably priced food is entitlement. The days of small family farms have been artificially prolonged and should have been gone a long time ago. Economies of scale as what makes food reasonably priced. | |||
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"With regards farming. I think the move towards much larger farms efficiently run by professional trained farmers is the way. It's the same in quite a few industries. Scale is required to make money. Scale is not required to make money, maybe it is if you a aiming for the lowest common denominator. Have you heard of the Green Cert, Most young farmers have spent 2 years in Ag College and may then work in other countries as part of their education. We need to move away from a sense of entitlement that someone is going to put cheap food on tables and apprciate the work farmers do I disagree that expecting reasonably priced food is entitlement. The days of small family farms have been artificially prolonged and should have been gone a long time ago. Economies of scale as what makes food reasonably priced." As economies of scale goes up, welfare and quality suffers. Using chicken farming as an example, chickens have to be reverse engineered from the retail price which results in animals being intensively reared in overcrowded poor conditions and results in tasteless inferior meat Ireland should cherish its produce and producers like they do in France and Italy | |||
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"With regards farming. I think the move towards much larger farms efficiently run by professional trained farmers is the way. It's the same in quite a few industries. Scale is required to make money. Scale is not required to make money, maybe it is if you a aiming for the lowest common denominator. Have you heard of the Green Cert, Most young farmers have spent 2 years in Ag College and may then work in other countries as part of their education. We need to move away from a sense of entitlement that someone is going to put cheap food on tables and apprciate the work farmers do I disagree that expecting reasonably priced food is entitlement. The days of small family farms have been artificially prolonged and should have been gone a long time ago. Economies of scale as what makes food reasonably priced." Farmer here, totally disagree, food is kept cheap by subsidies paid to farmers, in alot of cases the subsidy is your profit for the year. The way subsidies are paid is changing which means farmers have to change with them, ie greening, taking land out of food production in favour in favour of so called green practices, alot of which are very contradictory. There is a worldwide push to get rid of the smaller farmer, the larger farmer needs subsidies too because of the tiny margins which will eventually lead to corporation farming | |||
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"I work in a related industry, and I see small farmers slogging it out year after year for fuckall money. I've seen many of them give up because they can't make money, and the kids have no interest in taking it on as they can't provide for their family from it. Its already big corporations mainly buying the produce from the farmers, and other corporations selling it. Unless they can find a way to sell directly to the public which is a job in itself, then they are already a cog in the corporate machine." Agreed, the corporations then run the farms and will have to pay staff etc to run these corporate farms and will have to pay handsomely for qualified people, in turn food prices will go up | |||
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"Looks like the "Kerry" farmers are enjoying the best of both the corporate and farming world. " Do you mean farmers take back control of the product they produce ?? Why shouldn't they enjoy the fruits of their labour as the rest of society People here seem to want cheap food but have the highest standard in that production or are you happy with Brazilian/Argentinian beef driven with growth hormones and antibiotics | |||
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"Larger farms don't necessarily mean more money, unless daddy bought it 30 years ago there is no return on purchased or rented land these days, I reackon the break even on a dairy farm on renting to be 300 euro, but there's lads paying up to 400+ per acre " As you say, if someone pays more per acre than they can earn them they are onto a loser small or large. The earning potential for a larger larm though is far larger if they get it right | |||
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"Maybe if there was more of a connect between what farmers are paid and what the consumer pays in the shop then we'd understand farming a bit better We all see the very special offers especially at Christmas that the big shops do Someone is making a loss on these and hopefully not the farmer " 100% agree with ya | |||
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"We just had a general election...obviously the majority of people didn't want change....disappointing when you consider all the social challenges we have..but that's a democracy for you.. This. In a democracy, the people get the government that they deserve." Absolutely | |||
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"Look what's happening to every rural village and town The life is being sucked outa them People can't afford to buy or build a house Can't get planning permission for house on their own farmland Young people are leaving farming behind because it's not viable and the level inspections and regulations imposed is crazy The way it's going part-time farmers will be paid to leave it there in a few yrs Or solar will cover anywhere that can facilitate a grid connection I live and work in rural Ireland and it's changing rapidly.... " I always considered the holy trinity of rural Ireland to be the pub, Gaa and the church, two of those have almost completely vanished. | |||
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"Look what's happening to every rural village and town The life is being sucked outa them People can't afford to buy or build a house Can't get planning permission for house on their own farmland Young people are leaving farming behind because it's not viable and the level inspections and regulations imposed is crazy The way it's going part-time farmers will be paid to leave it there in a few yrs Or solar will cover anywhere that can facilitate a grid connection I live and work in rural Ireland and it's changing rapidly.... " Agree completely.... | |||
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" Lots of expert opinions on this thread that probably don’t even know where milk comes from! It’s easy to post smart Alec comments when you are not experiencing struggles like some of our fellow Irish people !! " If it's me you're referring to, I've put in my time with 5am starts down in milking parlours for hours. I appreciate the work involved. I just disagree that micro scale farming should be our future | |||
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"I always considered the holy trinity of rural Ireland to be the pub, Gaa and the church, two of those have almost completely vanished." And isn't it a great thing that rural Ireland is being saved from false belief, being basically controlled by a man in a dress in a different country, and the wives and families are benefiting from reduced alcohol addiction and resulting abuses. | |||
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"Forcibly reducing stocking rates, mecersur deal(or however you spell it), driving young people out of the country, no one to replace staff, can't afford to build house, no houses around me to rent, if they take my mobile home off me I'll have to sleep in the shed with the cows Dropped my son back to the airport today, he'll never move back to ireland" Good for him. We need to encourage people to see the world more . Thankfully the world is a much smaller place to the 80s/early 90s when people left in droves as no jobs, high inflation, double digit interest rates - all to never return as flight prices alone were so high | |||
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"Irish fishing fleet decimated because of fishing quotas and factory ships trawling the sea bed. Our natural gas fields sold off for a quick pound. Even Bertie Ahern wanted to sell our forestry plantations . Where will it all end I wonder . " Closed our peat briquette factories and import them now Eventually we will be only squatters in our own country | |||
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"The transition away from peat briquettes was a sensible one. Burning our ancient bogs creating a loss of natural resources plus air pollution, releasing stored CO2, plus is a poor and inefficient way to provide home heat. Expensive too. In reality modern humans want central heating with airtight homes free of expensive dusty, draughty, smelly fires." So the alternative to import peat products from Europe therefore creating a carbon footprint that requires buying carbon credits from other countries I agree with preserving bog land but pretending to do it in the name of reducing carbon emissions!!! | |||
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"The thing with the peat was the resource was depleted What's being done with it now is crazy The walk was are lovely but why are they not putting solar panels on the depleted bogs instead of productive farmland makes no scene to me anyway Bord na Mona are possibly the largest land owner in the country Wildlife and solar flower and fauna could all be together " Very closeby to me they have been trying to get a decent sized ground level solar farm up and going. The reaction from those living a kw or so away was furious. Protests are underway. Signs up on the road. These fuckwits are probably the same ones burning the turf and tearing out the peatland and refusing to have green energy creation in their area. We are doomed. | |||
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"So the alternative to import peat products from Europe therefore creating a carbon footprint that requires buying carbon credits from other countries I agree with preserving bog land but pretending to do it in the name of reducing carbon emissions!!! " It is in the name of reducing carbon emissions. We have been forced by the EU to do so as we are missing our targets for emission reduction. We are one of the worst in the EU and are looking at massive fines for it. The alternative to burning Irish peat is to move to far more efficient and environmentally safe methods. Sure there have been some imports of it from elsewhere. But less and less people are relying on burning it for home heating and electricity generation from it is much reduced too. We will transition in time. | |||
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"The thing with the peat was the resource was depleted What's being done with it now is crazy The walk was are lovely but why are they not putting solar panels on the depleted bogs instead of productive farmland makes no scene to me anyway Bord na Mona are possibly the largest land owner in the country Wildlife and solar flower and fauna could all be together Very closeby to me they have been trying to get a decent sized ground level solar farm up and going. The reaction from those living a kw or so away was furious. Protests are underway. Signs up on the road. These fuckwits are probably the same ones burning the turf and tearing out the peatland and refusing to have green energy creation in their area. We are doomed." We’ve that down my way too regarding the solar. . Then there is the bank banks that are being built now to store the excess but apparently will bring about the end of the world. The mind boggles | |||
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"So the alternative to import peat products from Europe therefore creating a carbon footprint that requires buying carbon credits from other countries I agree with preserving bog land but pretending to do it in the name of reducing carbon emissions!!! It is in the name of reducing carbon emissions. We have been forced by the EU to do so as we are missing our targets for emission reduction. We are one of the worst in the EU and are looking at massive fines for it. The alternative to burning Irish peat is to move to far more efficient and environmentally safe methods. Sure there have been some imports of it from elsewhere. But less and less people are relying on burning it for home heating and electricity generation from it is much reduced too. We will transition in time." Agree to some of the comments BUT The briquettes been imported are compressed coal dust which is a higher pollutant, The carbon foot print of trucks transporting the products The incinerators used to power some of the power stations are burning coal imported from Northern Ireland They turned a bog in Kildare into a massive landfill site for dumping toxic rubbish and waste material . And most of all what about all the jobs that were lost on the bogs for people who worked on them for generations and know no different or can’t get other jobs Their welfare and mental health has been put in jeopardy So there’s a bigger problem than just what people hear from the media That EAmon Ryan should be buried in the FKN bog | |||
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"There is a big call for solar installers at the moment. They should retrain and be part of the solution rather than part of the problem. The future is in renewables" They are not the problem They were given no choice but be made redundant with false promises of new employment and training which never happened. The problem is the government’s. Renewables may be the way forward BUT look at the problems it’s causing and this country don’t have the infrastructure on a larger scale Look at the fuck up with electric cars 🚗 6000 parked up in Germany by Volkswagen and making redundant employees because they can’t sell them and a shortage of spare parts because they are not able to produce then and stripping them out of those parked cars now in a compound parked up Soon to be a scrap yard That’s moving forward with renewables alright Unfortunately Ireland 🇮🇪 is run by Europe and the government representatives here are the messengers that when told to jump They say how high sir Flood the country with refugees and asylum seekers and not enough resources for our own country people | |||
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"Plant the land with trees. Get a lump sum in January every year and get in driving machinery for the council. Good wages and plenty of time to do some small farming. " Once you harvest the trees the first time the yearly lump some stops, the next money you see is 30 years after planting when you cut them all down again | |||
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