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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

Hopefully I get a provoking discussion.A while ago,

I noticed that my social media just affirmed all my likes , I didn't get a sense of the other view. (I would have always considered myself to be a central left sided hippy). So I decided to look at the other side , the "right". It's amazing. The sides have switched, the control and the manipulation is scary. I actually believe that Agendas that started out with good intentions have been highjacked, to create social unrest and distract from the real problems out there. I would love the honest opinion of the people on this site as it often varies from mine and makes me think more. I'm disjointed on this and probably not as clear as I'd like to be but , eh, why not , it's on my mind and I'd really like to see the opinions of some of the regular posters on here. Some will not surprise me because they are extremely predictable but I'm really looking forward to the unpredictable and the ones that open my mind.

Had a few tokes and sips tonight xxx

Nothing but love and wanting to understand different points of view.

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

So what the fuck is going on in the world 😂😂😂

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By *og-ManMan
18 weeks ago

somewhere

I think the algorithms push the viewpoint towards your feeds of whatever you look at for longer

I get a lot of hatred towards Trump and the right wing pricks in Ireland on Twitter

But that's because I hate both so I don't mind

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By *eehornyWoman
18 weeks ago

Mayo

I am a hippy at heart... very spiritual and I feel people should be whoever they want... but the older I get the more right I become.

I also think the powers at be want us to be fighting amongst ourselves at all times while the real change happens without us even realising.

The answer?? Just stay true to yourself, be kind to all coz one nice comment to someone can change their day.

And give to local charities xx

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By *he KakapoMan
18 weeks ago

A nice rock


"I think the algorithms push the viewpoint towards your feeds of whatever you look at for longer

I get a lot of hatred towards Trump and the right wing pricks in Ireland on Twitter

But that's because I hate both so I don't mind

"

For some reason YouTube thinks I'm a far right anti immigration nut.

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By *ozzlesMan
18 weeks ago

galway


"I am a hippy at heart... very spiritual and I feel people should be whoever they want... but the older I get the more right I become.

I also think the powers at be want us to be fighting amongst ourselves at all times while the real change happens without us even realising.

The answer?? Just stay true to yourself, be kind to all coz one nice comment to someone can change their day.

And give to local charities xx"

So who are " the powers" ?

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By *og-ManMan
18 weeks ago

somewhere


"I think the algorithms push the viewpoint towards your feeds of whatever you look at for longer

I get a lot of hatred towards Trump and the right wing pricks in Ireland on Twitter

But that's because I hate both so I don't mind

For some reason YouTube thinks I'm a far right anti immigration nut.

"

I get Las Vegas and U2 in The Sphere mostly in mine with carwow videos thrown in for good measure

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon


"I think the algorithms push the viewpoint towards your feeds of whatever you look at for longer

I get a lot of hatred towards Trump and the right wing pricks in Ireland on Twitter

But that's because I hate both so I don't mind

For some reason YouTube thinks I'm a far right anti immigration nut.

"

I have discovered that if you aren't extremely left you are considered far right , it's unnerving, and makes for some uncomfortable conversations, fortunately, I really enjoy uncomfortable conversations, especially the ones that change my mind, unfortunately, not everyone gets there from the other side.

❤️

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By *he KakapoMan
18 weeks ago

A nice rock

The title of this thread is actually quite apt.

It can be very hard to ger unbiased honest content on the internet.

As bog said the algorithms will be at work from your first word.

Some of the commentary online is really quote troubling and depressing.

As argumentative as I can be I do like hearing the alternative side/POV.

But if you let the internet guide you unbounded there appears to be very little balance or nuance which I think does exists more in the real world than we are lead to believe online

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By *eehornyWoman
18 weeks ago

Mayo


"I am a hippy at heart... very spiritual and I feel people should be whoever they want... but the older I get the more right I become.

I also think the powers at be want us to be fighting amongst ourselves at all times while the real change happens without us even realising.

The answer?? Just stay true to yourself, be kind to all coz one nice comment to someone can change their day.

And give to local charities xx

So who are " the powers" ? "

That's the thing they are so well protected we don't even know most of them. But do some research and you can scratch the surface. All the ones in the media are all pawns

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By *he KakapoMan
18 weeks ago

A nice rock


"I am a hippy at heart... very spiritual and I feel people should be whoever they want... but the older I get the more right I become.

I also think the powers at be want us to be fighting amongst ourselves at all times while the real change happens without us even realising.

The answer?? Just stay true to yourself, be kind to all coz one nice comment to someone can change their day.

And give to local charities xx

So who are " the powers" ?

That's the thing they are so well protected we don't even know most of them. But do some research and you can scratch the surface. All the ones in the media are all pawns"

Where can I start my research?

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon


"I am a hippy at heart... very spiritual and I feel people should be whoever they want... but the older I get the more right I become.

I also think the powers at be want us to be fighting amongst ourselves at all times while the real change happens without us even realising.

The answer?? Just stay true to yourself, be kind to all coz one nice comment to someone can change their day.

And give to local charities xx

So who are " the powers" ?

That's the thing they are so well protected we don't even know most of them. But do some research and you can scratch the surface. All the ones in the media are all pawns"

Ok , so what we need to understand is that mainstream media WANTS us to think we are informed consumers making free choices, but in fact we aren't, we are being lied to and only given half of the facts.

The money controls the information and that scares the shit out of me, nearly as much as half informed lunatics spreading hate. Both sides are being played.

I really wish a cause or unifing moment broke it all and started a revolution that opened everyones eyes, release the Epstein files etc....

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18 weeks ago


"I think the algorithms push the viewpoint towards your feeds of whatever you look at for longer

I get a lot of hatred towards Trump and the right wing pricks in Ireland on Twitter

But that's because I hate both so I don't mind

For some reason YouTube thinks I'm a far right anti immigration nut.

I have discovered that if you aren't extremely left you are considered far right , it's unnerving, and makes for some uncomfortable conversations, fortunately, I really enjoy uncomfortable conversations, especially the ones that change my mind, unfortunately, not everyone gets there from the other side.

❤️"

Jebus wept

Just remember we are all extremely and easily manipulated by ads and targeted social media

So take everything with gallons of salt and make up your own mind by examining your own conscience and talking to real life friends and family whom you trust.

Do not believe de Internet cmon baby it's la bullshitsupreme

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

That's an interesting thing you did there, blending a few statements together to look like it was made by one person.

You are basically saying the same thing but in a different way xxx

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By *ozzlesMan
18 weeks ago

galway


"I am a hippy at heart... very spiritual and I feel people should be whoever they want... but the older I get the more right I become.

I also think the powers at be want us to be fighting amongst ourselves at all times while the real change happens without us even realising.

The answer?? Just stay true to yourself, be kind to all coz one nice comment to someone can change their day.

And give to local charities xx

So who are " the powers" ?

That's the thing they are so well protected we don't even know most of them. But do some research and you can scratch the surface. All the ones in the media are all pawns

Ok , so what we need to understand is that mainstream media WANTS us to think we are informed consumers making free choices, but in fact we aren't, we are being lied to and only given half of the facts.

The money controls the information and that scares the shit out of me, nearly as much as half informed lunatics spreading hate. Both sides are being played.

I really wish a cause or unifing moment broke it all and started a revolution that opened everyones eyes, release the Epstein files etc...."

Mainstream media, I think we have become blinded by the idea that media is there to serve us and should serve the truth. Media has no more idea what the truth is than anyone else does, they are just reporting stuff that they think people want to hear and makes money for the media business.

Far right, far left, centre everyone has an agenda. The days of a collective and accepted truth are long gone. Globalism means greater diversity in information streams and greater variety in truths.

I think I try to pick my own truth and be nice to people.

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By *og-ManMan
18 weeks ago

somewhere

I think you need to realise where you news comes from

CNN is anti Trump

Fox is anti Harris

The indo is anti SF

The mail is anti Labour and immigration

The mirror is pro labour

RTE is pro government especially since they got 750 million of our money

As long as you get your news from a variety of sources you should get an idea of what's right

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
18 weeks ago

The West

The thing I'd like to know about Algos on social media is, who is paying for them.

SM companies will promote what their paid to, that's how they make money.

I have two twitter accounts 1st one is just mine, follow current affairs, sport, local stuff. Alls cool.

The 2nd one was strictly for business, finance, stock market news etc. I followed a few anonymous accounts in UK and US, all of whom put out and shared good content. I haven't followed anyone new since late 2019. All was fine until early 2020, when it became clear Trump was in trouble for a second term, then Covid hit, and it lost its fucking mind! It's the craziest place on the planet right now. Unchecked racism, misogyny, conspiracies and bat shit crazy Trumpers. All linked to each other, off course.

Who's pushing that, who's paying for it? A lot of people are caught up in that world!

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By *ozzlesMan
18 weeks ago

galway


"I think you need to realise where you news comes from

CNN is anti Trump

Fox is anti Harris

The indo is anti SF

The mail is anti Labour and immigration

The mirror is pro labour

RTE is pro government especially since they got 750 million of our money

As long as you get your news from a variety of sources you should get an idea of what's right "

And all will happily switch allegiance if the price is right.

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon


"The thing I'd like to know about Algos on social media is, who is paying for them.

SM companies will promote what their paid to, that's how they make money.

I have two twitter accounts 1st one is just mine, follow current affairs, sport, local stuff. Alls cool.

The 2nd one was strictly for business, finance, stock market news etc. I followed a few anonymous accounts in UK and US, all of whom put out and shared good content. I haven't followed anyone new since late 2019. All was fine until early 2020, when it became clear Trump was in trouble for a second term, then Covid hit, and it lost its fucking mind! It's the craziest place on the planet right now. Unchecked racism, misogyny, conspiracies and bat shit crazy Trumpers. All linked to each other, off course.

Who's pushing that, who's paying for it? A lot of people are caught up in that world!"

The big thing now is that is a space to say things. Free speech, it was super left and unbelievably fascist. Now it's the wild West, it only filters illegal stuff.

The world is controlled by a few incredibly rich companies that have growth as their only goal, fairness disappears and we become animals again.

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By *ealitybitesMan
18 weeks ago

Belfast

This entire thread is like a foreign language to me.

I don't do social media so I don't get any of this.

I don't do politics so no-one is trying to persuade me one way or the other.

I don't watch, read, or listen to news so again, nobody twisting my arm.

It's impossible to avoid news stories completely though.

I've seen threads on here about extremely serious and horrific events where very intelligent people claim they have never been influenced by mainstream media and yet they repeat the mantras and use the same buzzwords.

It's self perpetuating for some while for the rest of us it's just background noise.

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
18 weeks ago

The West


"The thing I'd like to know about Algos on social media is, who is paying for them.

SM companies will promote what their paid to, that's how they make money.

I have two twitter accounts 1st one is just mine, follow current affairs, sport, local stuff. Alls cool.

The 2nd one was strictly for business, finance, stock market news etc. I followed a few anonymous accounts in UK and US, all of whom put out and shared good content. I haven't followed anyone new since late 2019. All was fine until early 2020, when it became clear Trump was in trouble for a second term, then Covid hit, and it lost its fucking mind! It's the craziest place on the planet right now. Unchecked racism, misogyny, conspiracies and bat shit crazy Trumpers. All linked to each other, off course.

Who's pushing that, who's paying for it? A lot of people are caught up in that world!

The big thing now is that is a space to say things. Free speech, it was super left and unbelievably fascist. Now it's the wild West, it only filters illegal stuff.

The world is controlled by a few incredibly rich companies that have growth as their only goal, fairness disappears and we become animals again. "

It's the furthest thing from Free speech that we could possibly be. Anybody that believes that is deluded.

All SM is actively tracking and convincing people of various nonsense. It's targeted and aggressive with a primary purpose of sowing division.

I've kept my 1st account clean, but the silver spooned man child got involved. I don't even follow him, and my "for you" section today was just a list of his tweets. Rampant narcissism.

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By *ilver serviceMan
18 weeks ago

blarney

I agree with the above.

One small comment at the right moment can actually make or break a persons day.

So if you get the chance be honest and kind to someone you may never understand the true value of your words to others.

Happy fabbing.

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By *eehornyWoman
18 weeks ago

Mayo


"I think you need to realise where you news comes from

CNN is anti Trump

Fox is anti Harris

The indo is anti SF

The mail is anti Labour and immigration

The mirror is pro labour

RTE is pro government especially since they got 750 million of our money

As long as you get your news from a variety of sources you should get an idea of what's right "

All quoted are mainstream media owned by people/corporations pushing their own agendas. Those sources don't give enough of what's really happening

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By *og-ManMan
18 weeks ago

somewhere

Well Musk gave Trump 75 million in the last 3 months so we know what X is pushing

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By *og-ManMan
18 weeks ago

somewhere


"I think you need to realise where you news comes from

CNN is anti Trump

Fox is anti Harris

The indo is anti SF

The mail is anti Labour and immigration

The mirror is pro labour

RTE is pro government especially since they got 750 million of our money

As long as you get your news from a variety of sources you should get an idea of what's right

All quoted are mainstream media owned by people/corporations pushing their own agendas. Those sources don't give enough of what's really happening"

So what source do you get your unbiased non agenda news from

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By *electableicecreamMan
18 weeks ago

The West

I've spent the last 4 years ruthlessly removing all news from all my algorithms. My socials, YouTube, Reddit are full of science, tech, happy stuff and cats.

I'm much happier than when I was a twitter news junky.

I do read some news. Mostly AI stuff right now. I just go to the source.

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
18 weeks ago

The West


"I've spent the last 4 years ruthlessly removing all news from all my algorithms. My socials, YouTube, Reddit are full of science, tech, happy stuff and cats.

I'm much happier than when I was a twitter news junky.

I do read some news. Mostly AI stuff right now. I just go to the source.

"

I've often thought of doing the same, but I love current and international affairs.

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By *eehornyWoman
18 weeks ago

Mayo


"I think you need to realise where you news comes from

CNN is anti Trump

Fox is anti Harris

The indo is anti SF

The mail is anti Labour and immigration

The mirror is pro labour

RTE is pro government especially since they got 750 million of our money

As long as you get your news from a variety of sources you should get an idea of what's right

All quoted are mainstream media owned by people/corporations pushing their own agendas. Those sources don't give enough of what's really happening

So what source do you get your unbiased non agenda news from "

I follow people not media, people who are going thru the things reported in the news on both sides to get the real story.

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By *he KakapoMan
18 weeks ago

A nice rock


"I've spent the last 4 years ruthlessly removing all news from all my algorithms. My socials, YouTube, Reddit are full of science, tech, happy stuff and cats.

I'm much happier than when I was a twitter news junky.

I do read some news. Mostly AI stuff right now. I just go to the source.

I've often thought of doing the same, but I love current and international affairs."

There are definitely days where I feel the same.

But I think it's important to try and keep somewhat up to date with what's going on in the world

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By *he KakapoMan
18 weeks ago

A nice rock


"I think you need to realise where you news comes from

CNN is anti Trump

Fox is anti Harris

The indo is anti SF

The mail is anti Labour and immigration

The mirror is pro labour

RTE is pro government especially since they got 750 million of our money

As long as you get your news from a variety of sources you should get an idea of what's right

All quoted are mainstream media owned by people/corporations pushing their own agendas. Those sources don't give enough of what's really happening

So what source do you get your unbiased non agenda news from

I follow people not media, people who are going thru the things reported in the news on both sides to get the real story. "

Who are some of your current go to people?

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By *igglesforfun99Man
18 weeks ago

enniscorthy

Social media is probably the worst thing ever invented. Gone are the days of chatrooms were you trusted nobody. Then suddenly now people have a 'profile' and give us likes we think their our friends and trustworthy or because a celebrity said a thing it must be true.

By nature we are social animals it's engrained in us to follow the crowd and depending on the crowd you follow you can end up on an extreme side of the scale.

Best you can do is try to be aware of your own bias and seek to address it.

Do corporations care about you as an individual? No, you're just another source of income. Its a commercial interaction, you have to decide if the terms the service are worth it to you or not.

Do governments and politicians care about you? No, it's a collection of individuals with their own beliefs and agendas that's why we have elections. We collectively try to figure out who will best serve us and align to what we think is right. They might fuck it up and if they do we try and pick someone else who might do a better job.

As for Internet ads and algorithms you don't want to know how scary those things are but there are not even taking account of what they will be like with AI behind them . But there are plenty of documentaries and white papers on them that are worth a watch/read.

Or of you want a real scare given the time of year as to whats goes on in the dark side of the Internet and what's possible with technology watch an interview with Ryan Montgomery.

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By *eehornyWoman
18 weeks ago

Mayo


"I think you need to realise where you news comes from

CNN is anti Trump

Fox is anti Harris

The indo is anti SF

The mail is anti Labour and immigration

The mirror is pro labour

RTE is pro government especially since they got 750 million of our money

As long as you get your news from a variety of sources you should get an idea of what's right

All quoted are mainstream media owned by people/corporations pushing their own agendas. Those sources don't give enough of what's really happening

So what source do you get your unbiased non agenda news from

I follow people not media, people who are going thru the things reported in the news on both sides to get the real story.

Who are some of your current go to people? "

I'll pm you

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon


"The thing I'd like to know about Algos on social media is, who is paying for them.

SM companies will promote what their paid to, that's how they make money.

I have two twitter accounts 1st one is just mine, follow current affairs, sport, local stuff. Alls cool.

The 2nd one was strictly for business, finance, stock market news etc. I followed a few anonymous accounts in UK and US, all of whom put out and shared good content. I haven't followed anyone new since late 2019. All was fine until early 2020, when it became clear Trump was in trouble for a second term, then Covid hit, and it lost its fucking mind! It's the craziest place on the planet right now. Unchecked racism, misogyny, conspiracies and bat shit crazy Trumpers. All linked to each other, off course.

Who's pushing that, who's paying for it? A lot of people are caught up in that world!

The big thing now is that is a space to say things. Free speech, it was super left and unbelievably fascist. Now it's the wild West, it only filters illegal stuff.

The world is controlled by a few incredibly rich companies that have growth as their only goal, fairness disappears and we become animals again.

It's the furthest thing from Free speech that we could possibly be. Anybody that believes that is deluded.

All SM is actively tracking and convincing people of various nonsense. It's targeted and aggressive with a primary purpose of sowing division.

I've kept my 1st account clean, but the silver spooned man child got involved. I don't even follow him, and my "for you" section today was just a list of his tweets. Rampant narcissism."

I'm not trying ti be funny, but if saying what you think isn't free speech, what is ?

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By *he KakapoMan
18 weeks ago

A nice rock


"I think you need to realise where you news comes from

CNN is anti Trump

Fox is anti Harris

The indo is anti SF

The mail is anti Labour and immigration

The mirror is pro labour

RTE is pro government especially since they got 750 million of our money

As long as you get your news from a variety of sources you should get an idea of what's right

All quoted are mainstream media owned by people/corporations pushing their own agendas. Those sources don't give enough of what's really happening

So what source do you get your unbiased non agenda news from

I follow people not media, people who are going thru the things reported in the news on both sides to get the real story.

Who are some of your current go to people?

I'll pm you"

Here is as easy

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By *electableicecreamMan
18 weeks ago

The West


"I've spent the last 4 years ruthlessly removing all news from all my algorithms. My socials, YouTube, Reddit are full of science, tech, happy stuff and cats.

I'm much happier than when I was a twitter news junky.

I do read some news. Mostly AI stuff right now. I just go to the source.

I've often thought of doing the same, but I love current and international affairs.

There are definitely days where I feel the same.

But I think it's important to try and keep somewhat up to date with what's going on in the world"

Like I said to do some read news so I have a grasp of the zeitgeist and major events. I just choose to go find it when in the mood rather than be subject to algorithmic bias when all I really want is a soothing distraction.

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

I have listened to lots to really clever people,but I have had the displeasure of listening to some real pond life too. I made a point of it , some people, my opinion changed and some didn't. The amazing thing that I discovered was that , just because you disagree with one point of view of s person, doesn't define them, or you, it's just an opinion.

It's too easy to put people on brackets.

Trump is an incredibly divisive person, talks a lot of shit , had an incredibly shady past and in an ideal world would never be considered as presidental material, but , the other choice, undemocratily chosen, clearly pliable, more of the same ...

Messed up.

I like rfk ... But at first I believed he was a Crazy anti vac er until I read about him.

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By *eehornyWoman
18 weeks ago

Mayo


"I think you need to realise where you news comes from

CNN is anti Trump

Fox is anti Harris

The indo is anti SF

The mail is anti Labour and immigration

The mirror is pro labour

RTE is pro government especially since they got 750 million of our money

As long as you get your news from a variety of sources you should get an idea of what's right

All quoted are mainstream media owned by people/corporations pushing their own agendas. Those sources don't give enough of what's really happening

So what source do you get your unbiased non agenda news from

I follow people not media, people who are going thru the things reported in the news on both sides to get the real story.

Who are some of your current go to people?

I'll pm you

Here is as easy"

I don't feel comfortable doing that here since it's probably against the rules

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By *he KakapoMan
18 weeks ago

A nice rock


"I have listened to lots to really clever people,but I have had the displeasure of listening to some real pond life too. I made a point of it , some people, my opinion changed and some didn't. The amazing thing that I discovered was that , just because you disagree with one point of view of s person, doesn't define them, or you, it's just an opinion.

It's too easy to put people on brackets.

Trump is an incredibly divisive person, talks a lot of shit , had an incredibly shady past and in an ideal world would never be considered as presidental material, but , the other choice, undemocratily chosen, clearly pliable, more of the same ...

Messed up.

I like rfk ... But at first I believed he was a Crazy anti vac er until I read about him.

"

In what way undemocratically chosen?

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By *he KakapoMan
18 weeks ago

A nice rock


"

I don't feel comfortable doing that here since it's probably against the rules"

Ah no worries fire away so

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

No primary for the democratic party , she just stepped in for Joe , she wasn't chosen by the party, first time ever. Shady as fuck, total puppet

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By *he KakapoMan
18 weeks ago

A nice rock


"No primary for the democratic party , she just stepped in for Joe , she wasn't chosen by the party, first time ever. Shady as fuck, total puppet "

I mean she did technically have to secure the DNC delegates votes. Which she did.

Might not be the most open of processes but it followed the democratic framework of the political system.

Not by popular votes doesn't equal undemocratic

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By *rRiosMan
18 weeks ago

dublin


"No primary for the democratic party , she just stepped in for Joe , she wasn't chosen by the party, first time ever. Shady as fuck, total puppet

I mean she did technically have to secure the DNC delegates votes. Which she did.

Might not be the most open of processes but it followed the democratic framework of the political system.

Not by popular votes doesn't equal undemocratic "

The Democratic Party are a private company, same as the GOP. They can nominate who ever they want, however they want.

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
18 weeks ago

The West


"No primary for the democratic party , she just stepped in for Joe , she wasn't chosen by the party, first time ever. Shady as fuck, total puppet

I mean she did technically have to secure the DNC delegates votes. Which she did.

Might not be the most open of processes but it followed the democratic framework of the political system.

Not by popular votes doesn't equal undemocratic "

The whole undemocratic thing was just another lie pushed out of Trumps camp. They were raging they got stitched up.

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

It really isn't a clear And open process, but maybe you can explain it to me , so as I can understand.

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

And why it's the first time it's ever happened.

And why it's only the other side that are capable of falsifying facts

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
18 weeks ago

The West

The one thing that I belive about the USA today and that is, Khrushchev was right!

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

Democracy in america ended with the assassination of Kennedy.

It's been games since, feed the war machine, big oil, big tobacco, big pharma, big fucking lie

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By *igglesforfun99Man
18 weeks ago

enniscorthy


"And why it's the first time it's ever happened.

And why it's only the other side that are capable of falsifying facts "

Things happen for the first time every day doesn't mean there's an ulterior motive behind it. Often the simple explanation is the best one. Biden decided to drop out. It was short notice and they needed a solution. So they asked the main party members are we happy to go with who he suggested and almost all of them said yes.

As for only one side lies that just depends what camp you're in. If it not true then the others must have lied. As outsiders we should be able to be more objective.

There is nothing to say a lie was spread by either camp there is always the possibility of outside interference with a US election, maybe it was China, maybe Russia, maybe just some made something up for the fun of it and it went viral.

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon


"And why it's the first time it's ever happened.

And why it's only the other side that are capable of falsifying facts

Things happen for the first time every day doesn't mean there's an ulterior motive behind it. Often the simple explanation is the best one. Biden decided to drop out. It was short notice and they needed a solution. So they asked the main party members are we happy to go with who he suggested and almost all of them said yes.

As for only one side lies that just depends what camp you're in. If it not true then the others must have lied. As outsiders we should be able to be more objective.

There is nothing to say a lie was spread by either camp there is always the possibility of outside interference with a US election, maybe it was China, maybe Russia, maybe just some made something up for the fun of it and it went viral."

The transformative experience of knowing the truth is what makes me start these discussions.

The whole trump Russian collusion lie , when it turned out that it was infact Biden that had ties with Ukraine is just lau_hable.

The fact trump was shot in the head and no press conference about it , no information about the shooter... How it happened?

And the lies about Biden being fresh when the guy clearly wasn't, so as to avoid a primary for the democratic party.

I agree, what I'm saying isn't dir everyone, but please change my mind with some facts and hard evidence.

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By *og-ManMan
18 weeks ago

somewhere

I don't generally believe in conspiracy theories

But I don't believe Thrumps ear shows proof of being shot

There's no marks at all

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

How about the dude that got died behind him ?

Is it harder to believe that there is a conspiracy around trump or that Biden abd Harris are puppets for Black Rock and vanguard?

I genuinely would like to know.

My mind is as always open,but definitely towards one side

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By *ursecretmischiefCouple
18 weeks ago

The West


"And why it's the first time it's ever happened.

And why it's only the other side that are capable of falsifying facts

Things happen for the first time every day doesn't mean there's an ulterior motive behind it. Often the simple explanation is the best one. Biden decided to drop out. It was short notice and they needed a solution. So they asked the main party members are we happy to go with who he suggested and almost all of them said yes.

As for only one side lies that just depends what camp you're in. If it not true then the others must have lied. As outsiders we should be able to be more objective.

There is nothing to say a lie was spread by either camp there is always the possibility of outside interference with a US election, maybe it was China, maybe Russia, maybe just some made something up for the fun of it and it went viral.

The transformative experience of knowing the truth is what makes me start these discussions.

The whole trump Russian collusion lie , when it turned out that it was infact Biden that had ties with Ukraine is just lau_hable.

The fact trump was shot in the head and no press conference about it , no information about the shooter... How it happened?

And the lies about Biden being fresh when the guy clearly wasn't, so as to avoid a primary for the democratic party.

I agree, what I'm saying isn't dir everyone, but please change my mind with some facts and hard evidence."

How come Trump hasn't pushed hard for that press conference, or a deeper dig into who the guy was?

He was caughtofff guard, when shortly afterward, the Dems changed to Harris. It's more than suspicious that he didn't try and get more mileage out of that!

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By *igglesforfun99Man
18 weeks ago

enniscorthy


"How about the dude that got died behind him ?

Is it harder to believe that there is a conspiracy around trump or that Biden abd Harris are puppets for Black Rock and vanguard?

I genuinely would like to know.

My mind is as always open,but definitely towards one side "

Why does it have to be one or other, I think we can all agree politicians lie it's part of the game. I think people find it harder to believe Trump cause he's also a wealthy business man (another profession known to lie to people)

How did a gunman get behind him, who knows shit happens sometimes. Watch a YouTube video of some sneaking into concerts and VIP rooms. Often all it takes is a high vis jacket and some confidence and you can get around most places with ease. I believe Congress released a draft report on the matter recently but haven't read it myself.

But then you could also argue why allow guns at rallies in the first place - we know the answer is because it plays well with his base. But from a safety perspective a bit of a risk.

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon


"And why it's the first time it's ever happened.

And why it's only the other side that are capable of falsifying facts

Things happen for the first time every day doesn't mean there's an ulterior motive behind it. Often the simple explanation is the best one. Biden decided to drop out. It was short notice and they needed a solution. So they asked the main party members are we happy to go with who he suggested and almost all of them said yes.

As for only one side lies that just depends what camp you're in. If it not true then the others must have lied. As outsiders we should be able to be more objective.

There is nothing to say a lie was spread by either camp there is always the possibility of outside interference with a US election, maybe it was China, maybe Russia, maybe just some made something up for the fun of it and it went viral.

The transformative experience of knowing the truth is what makes me start these discussions.

The whole trump Russian collusion lie , when it turned out that it was infact Biden that had ties with Ukraine is just lau_hable.

The fact trump was shot in the head and no press conference about it , no information about the shooter... How it happened?

And the lies about Biden being fresh when the guy clearly wasn't, so as to avoid a primary for the democratic party.

I agree, what I'm saying isn't dir everyone, but please change my mind with some facts and hard evidence.

How come Trump hasn't pushed hard for that press conference, or a deeper dig into who the guy was?

He was caughtofff guard, when shortly afterward, the Dems changed to Harris. It's more than suspicious that he didn't try and get more mileage out of that!"

I agree, I also think it's suspicious that even when RFKs dad and uncle were both assassinated, that the Biden administration did not provide secret service protection for him until trump called them out on it, politics is dirty , especially in America, especially with lobbyists, but c'mon, the line of good guy bad guy doesn't exist. No such thing.

It's infuriating.

I'd prefer if you could actually believe what they said

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By *adyKarmennTVTV/TS
18 weeks ago

Dublin

As someone who’s had gigs cancelled because of “sexualzing kids” and been called all sorts social media is responsible for so much rubbish and mistruth

The Facebook college of misinformation is so true and feels so hard to actually get proper honest stories

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
18 weeks ago

East / North, Cork

You are correct that social media just affirms your likes. The purpose of social media is to keep you on social media. As long as the eyeball is on the app then it's winning. It doesn't have a purpose beyond that. People who watched that video also watched this video. It's not rocket science. There is no "truth" there only feeding interest with more interest with more interest. You only have to look at someone else's social media to realise that the agenda is just to provide that infinate echo chamber. This is not news. This is not journalism. Lies are intermixed with truths interchangeably because they algorithms don't know or care the difference. At least with mainstream big media there is some accountability. Stories need to be checked and sourced. There is of course bias, but you know that and can account for it. Don't rely on RTE or BBC or CNN. Also look at RT. Modern humans need to develop a very strong critical eye and healthy skepticism. What is this person's motivation in telling me this? Who has what to gain? Who is more trustworthy and who is less trustworthy? Use multiple sources and your own common sense and intuition.

Don't worry about left Vs right. Accusations of "far right" and "radical left" don't really mean anything. All you should care about if the next correct thing/policy/decision. One step in front of the other.

Lastly I have to pickup on the use of the word "fascism". That word doesn't mean what you think it means. Look it up. This is important as to dilute this word which is something that is a warning from a very specific history and should never be forgotten.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago


"As someone who’s had gigs cancelled because of “sexualzing kids” and been called all sorts social media is responsible for so much rubbish and mistruth

The Facebook college of misinformation is so true and feels so hard to actually get proper honest stories"

Sorry that has happened to you.. (cancelled gigs)

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By *heCatWhoGotTheCream2024Man
18 weeks ago

Funville

I purposely deleted all my social media platforms a couple of years ago.

If there is a topic I want more information on, I'll use an alternative browser and search engine to find source information across a number of websites.

I try to avoid getting caught up in other people's agendas and make my own decisions about most things.

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

Cool ,

I used "fascist" as a word to describe the suppression or putting down of opposite views, which twitter was rampant with, it describes so much more but i understand the meaning of it and used it correctly, as this was ONE of the many dark characteristics of fascism.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago


"I purposely deleted all my social media platforms a couple of years ago.

If there is a topic I want more information on, I'll use an alternative browser and search engine to find source information across a number of websites.

I try to avoid getting caught up in other people's agendas and make my own decisions about most things."

Did this for a long time and then foolishly came back. Now I’m considering it again

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
18 weeks ago

East / North, Cork


"Cool ,

I used "fascist" as a word to describe the suppression or putting down of opposite views, which twitter was rampant with, it describes so much more but i understand the meaning of it and used it correctly, as this was ONE of the many dark characteristics of fascism. "

I do understand that's the way you use it and why, but fascism isn't about the putting down of opposite views. It's more specific than that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

You say tomato I say potato.

I know what you are saying, fascism is far more sinister than just that one aspect, I'm not delusional. I just compared it as it has a similarity, and is a dangerous precursor to further sinister goings on if not checked. The fascism of the 30s and 40s didn't begin with an open manifesto either.

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By *habMan
18 weeks ago

Boomtown


"Cool ,

I used "fascist" as a word to describe the suppression or putting down of opposite views, which twitter was rampant with, it describes so much more but i understand the meaning of it and used it correctly, as this was ONE of the many dark characteristics of fascism. "

May I ask your opinion of the Govts use of RTE and MSM, would the lack of discourse by fascism.

IMO, it's a word used to stifle debate by any opposing side.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago

It's all a bit of a mess, but I no longer look at the sides or claim to be from any side. I just focus on being the person I want to be and am happy with and hope people see you as a person and not a position

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon


"Cool ,

I used "fascist" as a word to describe the suppression or putting down of opposite views, which twitter was rampant with, it describes so much more but i understand the meaning of it and used it correctly, as this was ONE of the many dark characteristics of fascism.

May I ask your opinion of the Govts use of RTE and MSM, would the lack of discourse by fascism.

IMO, it's a word used to stifle debate by any opposing side."

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By *electableicecreamMan
18 weeks ago

The West

Aside from the historically accurate definition of fascism, the word is often used in opposition to censorship and control. I've most often heard/seen it shouted by protesters against the state. Any state.

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By *ilthyNightsCouple
18 weeks ago

East / North, Cork


"Aside from the historically accurate definition of fascism, the word is often used in opposition to censorship and control. I've most often heard/seen it shouted by protesters against the state. Any state. "

I guess I find the use of the word by the right against the left particularly perverse, because fascism is the natural result of increasingly hardline right policies. It's also one of those those "warning from history" things where the horror of the actual meaning of it shouldn't be lightened. Just my personal opinion. I also dislike using words like genocide and holocaust unless it's the correct usage.

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

Fair enough, if those words trigger a response in you. They are only words to me. What triggers me is any group crying about the other group and acting in a way that they would condemn themselves, that's happening way too much.

The whole covid disaster had really made me question where i get my information from and places i would have trusted and methods i would have had faith in don't hold the same meaning anymore.

You say do research, trust me I do , I love transformative conversations and acknowledgments but getting hard evidence is incredibly difficult these days.

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By *asual777Man
18 weeks ago

i travel all over


"I have listened to lots to really clever people,but I have had the displeasure of listening to some real pond life too. I made a point of it , some people, my opinion changed and some didn't. The amazing thing that I discovered was that , just because you disagree with one point of view of s person, doesn't define them, or you, it's just an opinion.

It's too easy to put people on brackets.

Trump is an incredibly divisive person, talks a lot of shit , had an incredibly shady past and in an ideal world would never be considered as presidental material, but , the other choice, undemocratily chosen, clearly pliable, more of the same ...

Messed up.

I like rfk ... But at first I believed he was a Crazy anti vac er until I read about him.

"

Party leaders step down all the time . Our own Simon Harris is in a very similar position to Kamala. He , like her , is standing for election shortly after taking over the helm . You can hardly have an immediate election every time a party leader stands down .

Trump on the other hand , amongst other things ‘supported and took credit for the repeal of Roe v. Wade in 2022. In May 2024, a jury in New York found Trump guilty on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records related to a hush money payment to Stormy Daniels in an attempt to influence the 2016 election, making him the first former U.S. president to be convicted of a crime. He has been indicted in three other jurisdictions on 54 other felony counts related to his mishandling of classified documents and for efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. In civil proceedings, Trump was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation in 2023, defamation in 2024, and financial fraud in 2024’. There is more coming his way .

He stokes hatred. By dehumanizing immigrants it legitimizes what will come if he wins

1. In a speech in Grand Rapids, Mich., Mr. Trump, flanked by law enforcement officers, reiterated his baseless claim that other countries were sending “prisoners, murderers, drug dealers, mental patients and terrorists, the worst they have” to the United States.

2. He has promised "Sweeping Raids, Giant Camps and Mass Deportations Immigration Plans

3. He has called immigrants animals

4. And accused them of eating Pets

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By *ionycus OP   Man
18 weeks ago

Babylon

Yes , Trump is a prick, a despicable man.

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