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"If there was any effort to sort out the biggest housing crisis in the history of the state then I'd give it some credit. There wasn't though. There was an acknowledgement that the state is leasing/renting 38,000 houses from the private rental market at exorbitant rents to supply local authority housing. This should be causing a scandal. That's taxpayer's money going into private owner's pockets with no asset purchased. That's fine for an emergency but making no effort to replace those properties with publically owned properties is disgraceful. Also, persisting with a help to buy scheme that the ESRI and anyone who has studied it and the banking sector have pointed out as inflating house prices should be a scandal. Our teachers and nurses are off in Australia and all over the world as they simply can't afford to live here yet no effort is being made to correct that. Yeah, we've turned a profit of roughly €9 billion. You can portray that as a success but it's not really. It would be more of a success if we had no surplus but also didn't have thousands of families living in emergency accommodation and thousands of people waiting on hospital appointments. Ask the parents of scoliosis sufferers how much better off they feel this morning. Regimes and societies will be judged on how they treated their weakest members. Two fingers to the homeless and the hospital waiting lists isn't a good look. A few quid here and a few quid here doesn't hide that. " What am I talking about.. €9 billion was last year and €8 billion the year before. I think we're heading for €12 billion this year. | |||
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"If there was any effort to sort out the biggest housing crisis in the history of the state then I'd give it some credit. There wasn't though. There was an acknowledgement that the state is leasing/renting 38,000 houses from the private rental market at exorbitant rents to supply local authority housing. This should be causing a scandal. That's taxpayer's money going into private owner's pockets with no asset purchased. That's fine for an emergency but making no effort to replace those properties with publically owned properties is disgraceful. Also, persisting with a help to buy scheme that the ESRI and anyone who has studied it and the banking sector have pointed out as inflating house prices should be a scandal. Our teachers and nurses are off in Australia and all over the world as they simply can't afford to live here yet no effort is being made to correct that. Yeah, we've turned a profit of roughly €9 billion. You can portray that as a success but it's not really. It would be more of a success if we had no surplus but also didn't have thousands of families living in emergency accommodation and thousands of people waiting on hospital appointments. Ask the parents of scoliosis sufferers how much better off they feel this morning. Regimes and societies will be judged on how they treated their weakest members. Two fingers to the homeless and the hospital waiting lists isn't a good look. A few quid here and a few quid here doesn't hide that. What am I talking about.. €9 billion was last year and €8 billion the year before. I think we're heading for €12 billion this year. " Yet there's many out there that think like the op, namely that the ones in charge are doing a quite ok job and will vote for the same bunch again in the next election. Irish politics is sooo frustrating..., imagine going for the same shitty meet over and over and all you get is a bad finger fiddle to make you squirt respectively from a male perspective to be peed on.  | |||
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"If there was any effort to sort out the biggest housing crisis in the history of the state then I'd give it some credit. There wasn't though. There was an acknowledgement that the state is leasing/renting 38,000 houses from the private rental market at exorbitant rents to supply local authority housing. This should be causing a scandal. That's taxpayer's money going into private owner's pockets with no asset purchased. That's fine for an emergency but making no effort to replace those properties with publically owned properties is disgraceful. Also, persisting with a help to buy scheme that the ESRI and anyone who has studied it and the banking sector have pointed out as inflating house prices should be a scandal. Our teachers and nurses are off in Australia and all over the world as they simply can't afford to live here yet no effort is being made to correct that. Yeah, we've turned a profit of roughly €9 billion. You can portray that as a success but it's not really. It would be more of a success if we had no surplus but also didn't have thousands of families living in emergency accommodation and thousands of people waiting on hospital appointments. Ask the parents of scoliosis sufferers how much better off they feel this morning. Regimes and societies will be judged on how they treated their weakest members. Two fingers to the homeless and the hospital waiting lists isn't a good look. A few quid here and a few quid here doesn't hide that. What am I talking about.. €9 billion was last year and €8 billion the year before. I think we're heading for €12 billion this year. Yet there's many out there that think like the op, namely that the ones in charge are doing a quite ok job and will vote for the same bunch again in the next election. Irish politics is sooo frustrating..., imagine going for the same shitty meet over and over and all you get is a bad finger fiddle to make you squirt respectively from a male perspective to be peed on. "Or you could have the same satisfying meet on an ongoing basis and get exactly what you are looking for from it. Change, for change sake, does not always mean better. Give some of those who are currently in opposition the power over our public expenditure and you might soon see any financial surplus disappear. Or maybe some of them would revert to type and start robbing banks to keep the country afloat. My vote goes to the best of a bad lot..... | |||
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"If there was any effort to sort out the biggest housing crisis in the history of the state then I'd give it some credit. There wasn't though. There was an acknowledgement that the state is leasing/renting 38,000 houses from the private rental market at exorbitant rents to supply local authority housing. This should be causing a scandal. That's taxpayer's money going into private owner's pockets with no asset purchased. That's fine for an emergency but making no effort to replace those properties with publically owned properties is disgraceful. Also, persisting with a help to buy scheme that the ESRI and anyone who has studied it and the banking sector have pointed out as inflating house prices should be a scandal. Our teachers and nurses are off in Australia and all over the world as they simply can't afford to live here yet no effort is being made to correct that. Yeah, we've turned a profit of roughly €9 billion. You can portray that as a success but it's not really. It would be more of a success if we had no surplus but also didn't have thousands of families living in emergency accommodation and thousands of people waiting on hospital appointments. Ask the parents of scoliosis sufferers how much better off they feel this morning. Regimes and societies will be judged on how they treated their weakest members. Two fingers to the homeless and the hospital waiting lists isn't a good look. A few quid here and a few quid here doesn't hide that. What am I talking about.. €9 billion was last year and €8 billion the year before. I think we're heading for €12 billion this year. Yet there's many out there that think like the op, namely that the ones in charge are doing a quite ok job and will vote for the same bunch again in the next election. Irish politics is sooo frustrating..., imagine going for the same shitty meet over and over and all you get is a bad finger fiddle to make you squirt respectively from a male perspective to be peed on.
Or you could have the same satisfying meet on an ongoing basis and get exactly what you are looking for from it.
Change, for change sake, does not always mean better.
Give some of those who are currently in opposition the power over our public expenditure and you might soon see any financial surplus disappear.
Or maybe some of them would revert to type and start robbing banks to keep the country afloat.
My vote goes to the best of a bad lot.....
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" Or maybe some of them would revert to type and start robbing banks to keep the country afloat. " Can you give us a name there please? Otherwise it's a lazy, stupid comment worthy only of Simon Harris or Mícheál Martin.  | |||
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"A Government will only ever be as good as the opposition. Now that FF and FG are one party there is no opposition so they can do exactly as they please. Anyway I can afford to pay my bills, my sub here and still have enough for a few pints at the weekend so I'm not going to complain too much. My heart goes out to those who can't though. This week our 2 homeless football teams came home from the world cup after very successful tournaments. Good on them but it's some indictment of a rich country that we are even able to field teams in that!" Blaming opposition parties for what government does is one of the daftest trends I've seen over the last few years. That may not be your intention but it seems implicit in that comment. The government has a comfortable majority so it matters little how good the opposition are. You're right about the homelessness though. Tbf, that doesn't bother most FG voters too much. | |||
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"A Government will only ever be as good as the opposition. Now that FF and FG are one party there is no opposition so they can do exactly as they please. Anyway I can afford to pay my bills, my sub here and still have enough for a few pints at the weekend so I'm not going to complain too much. My heart goes out to those who can't though. This week our 2 homeless football teams came home from the world cup after very successful tournaments. Good on them but it's some indictment of a rich country that we are even able to field teams in that! Blaming opposition parties for what government does is one of the daftest trends I've seen over the last few years. That may not be your intention but it seems implicit in that comment. The government has a comfortable majority so it matters little how good the opposition are. You're right about the homelessness though. Tbf, that doesn't bother most FG voters too much. " Not blaming any one party but FF and FG becoming one party has hobbled the opposition as the main opposition party are now not a viable alternative for most people given their history despite the fact they may have some decent politicians now. | |||
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"A Government will only ever be as good as the opposition. Now that FF and FG are one party there is no opposition so they can do exactly as they please. Anyway I can afford to pay my bills, my sub here and still have enough for a few pints at the weekend so I'm not going to complain too much. My heart goes out to those who can't though. This week our 2 homeless football teams came home from the world cup after very successful tournaments. Good on them but it's some indictment of a rich country that we are even able to field teams in that! Blaming opposition parties for what government does is one of the daftest trends I've seen over the last few years. That may not be your intention but it seems implicit in that comment. The government has a comfortable majority so it matters little how good the opposition are. You're right about the homelessness though. Tbf, that doesn't bother most FG voters too much. Not blaming any one party but FF and FG becoming one party has hobbled the opposition as the main opposition party are now not a viable alternative for most people given their history despite the fact they may have some decent politicians now." I'm not quite sure how FF and FG finally admitting that they're one and the same hobbles the main opposition party? The ESRI and various other institutions have told us quite clearly what is needed to fix the homeless crisis. There's only one party with a detailed and fully costed policy that matches that, and it's not a party in government. The sane goes for healthcare. One if the biggest issues around healthcare at the moment is retention of staff. Newly qualified nurses can't afford to live in this state and have any sort of quality of life so they go abroad. They've always gone abroad but now they're staying away for longer and longer. Fix the housing crisis and you fix a huge part of that problem. When Darragh O'Brien became housing minister it took him just over a year to produce a policy document that had less than ten pages of aspirational stuff with ludicrously low targets, zero detail and zero new ideas. The new ideas bit is crucial given that the old ideas clearly haven't worked. Eoin Ó Broin's policy document is 109 pages of fully costed detail. It's also pretty radical and involves a rethink of the whole property market. The Social Democrats are due to produce something over the next couple of weeks as well. There are viable alternatives. Undoubtedly the scaremongering as witnessed farther up this thread will ensure that we ignore the big issues yet again. | |||
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"A Government will only ever be as good as the opposition. Now that FF and FG are one party there is no opposition so they can do exactly as they please. Anyway I can afford to pay my bills, my sub here and still have enough for a few pints at the weekend so I'm not going to complain too much. My heart goes out to those who can't though. This week our 2 homeless football teams came home from the world cup after very successful tournaments. Good on them but it's some indictment of a rich country that we are even able to field teams in that! Blaming opposition parties for what government does is one of the daftest trends I've seen over the last few years. That may not be your intention but it seems implicit in that comment. The government has a comfortable majority so it matters little how good the opposition are. You're right about the homelessness though. Tbf, that doesn't bother most FG voters too much. Not blaming any one party but FF and FG becoming one party has hobbled the opposition as the main opposition party are now not a viable alternative for most people given their history despite the fact they may have some decent politicians now." Political parties history? FG even if they tried to distance themselves from it have a history with fascists (blue shirts). FF corruption all I have to say is Charlie Haughty. Labour sold it's soul for a few ministerial pensions. | |||
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"But back to the budget. It doesn't do much for me as I live alone. Have a grown up child Earn a decent wage. I still don't understand why they are giving people money to have kids? " Because we are below replacement level... and I want to retire before I'm 90 I guess | |||
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"As a nation that was cowed down and controlled by a foreign invader, think Putin/Netanyahu today, to the point of starvation in the mid 1800's I believe 100 years plus after gaining our freedom we have become a very mature and sophisticated electorate. That is the main reason we get the government we we do and not the type of shit show we see in the UK and USA. " We have an absolute shit show CAB needs to look into some of the dealings which goes on up there The 2m printer The 1.4m security hut The 300k bike shed Modular homes coming in double what they originally say A hospital going how many years over time & costing god knows how many billions extra Any other way of life all these guys would've been fired & possibly imprisonned if some of these deals were looked into properly & That's not including the lack of care towards the housing or healthcare sector | |||
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"As a nation that was cowed down and controlled by a foreign invader, think Putin/Netanyahu today, to the point of starvation in the mid 1800's I believe 100 years plus after gaining our freedom we have become a very mature and sophisticated electorate. That is the main reason we get the government we we do and not the type of shit show we see in the UK and USA. We have an absolute shit show CAB needs to look into some of the dealings which goes on up there The 2m printer The 1.4m security hut The 300k bike shed Modular homes coming in double what they originally say A hospital going how many years over time & costing god knows how many billions extra Any other way of life all these guys would've been fired & possibly imprisonned if some of these deals were looked into properly & That's not including the lack of care towards the housing or healthcare sector " ..... The CAB's role is to source and seize assets acquired through crime. If any politician has been involved in illegal activities then they should certainly be investigated by the CAB as has happened in the past. But political decisions taken by members of a democratically elected government, based on their stated election manifestos, are not crimes. Yes they may be poor decisions based on what some sectors of society might feel are the most important priorities, but they are not criminal acts. We live in a strong democracy, hard fought for by previous generations, and it behoves all of us to maintain that strong democracy by exercising our right to vote, and to accepting the will of the majority and supporting the actions of that legally elected legislature until such time as the majority vote for change. | |||
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"No post on here ranting about how bad the budget is. Every one must be very happy with what they got or perhaps there are no Shinner/PBP/SocD supporters on here. Or maybe they are secretly admitting that the current crowd are doing a reasonably good job with the country's finances. 😇💶" 
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"... and supporting the actions of that legally elected legislature until such time as the majority vote for change. " There's absolutely no reason to support bad decisions. | |||
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"... and supporting the actions of that legally elected legislature until such time as the majority vote for change. There's absolutely no reason to support bad decisions." You may not have to actively support them but as they are decisions made by a democratically elected government you have to accept them. At least until those that fundamentally disagree with the policys being put in place get themselves into a majority position allowing them to bring about the changes the people who elect them obviously voted for. Democracy is the will of the majority at work in a civilised society. The alternatives being anarchy, dictatorship or rule by royal privilege. My vote is for democracy, with all its flaws and failings, every time. | |||
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"The country was fucked last week, we are all getting fucked daily, this budget does very little except maybe help some of the vulnerable people out maybe two weeks more in the year, Woop dee Doo. Total revamp of government needed. The children's hospital alone , let alone the bike shed or the hut , these guys are scum and the leaders of the first dail I think might take them outside, line them up by the shed and deal with them. Disgraceful, too long a one party government, fine/fianna same..... Don't believe everything you read on the news , especially mainstream RTE bull crap, this budget does very little for the largest groups of workers and the USC, that was a temporary tax that these motherfuckers put on us nearly 20 years ago, wow, a reduction.... Wake up people!" Everyone complains! Few vote! Nothing changes! Untill there's a new party to get in and stick to what they'll say they'll do or even give SF a chance, we will continue to not get anywhere. This country is in real need of a major change but I can not ever see it happening in the foreseeable future. | |||
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"We are lucky we don’t yet have an organised far right party The local elections suggest a good number of people would vote for an Irish trump if one presented itself " Far right ? Based on his personal life or his politics? The liberals have become the left, the left become the right, and anyone that doesn't agree is far right. I think it's nonsense. Democracy is supposed to be the many deciding what to do, not the noisy few telling the masses. Someone disagreement is good, but far right is a stretch. | |||
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"We are lucky we don’t yet have an organised far right party The local elections suggest a good number of people would vote for an Irish trump if one presented itself Far right ? Based on his personal life or his politics? The liberals have become the left, the left become the right, and anyone that doesn't agree is far right. I think it's nonsense. Democracy is supposed to be the many deciding what to do, not the noisy few telling the masses. Someone disagreement is good, but far right is a stretch. " Based on him isolating some as others , different , lesser , not worthy of rights Why would you have rights when you eat pets ? | |||
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"Had quick read online. Not much use to me, usc down, diesel up. Little leeway in income tax which will probably only give me back a fiver a week Oh and esb credit before Xmas " Agree here, I’m in the same boat | |||
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"Had quick read online. Not much use to me, usc down, diesel up. Little leeway in income tax which will probably only give me back a fiver a week Oh and esb credit before Xmas Agree here, I’m in the same boat " If you can afford a boat give the €5 a week back | |||
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"The country was fucked last week, we are all getting fucked daily, this budget does very little except maybe help some of the vulnerable people out maybe two weeks more in the year, Woop dee Doo. Total revamp of government needed. The children's hospital alone , let alone the bike shed or the hut , these guys are scum and the leaders of the first dail I think might take them outside, line them up by the shed and deal with them. Disgraceful, too long a one party government, fine/fianna same..... Don't believe everything you read on the news , especially mainstream RTE bull crap, this budget does very little for the largest groups of workers and the USC, that was a temporary tax that these motherfuckers put on us nearly 20 years ago, wow, a reduction.... Wake up people!" Any benefit that anyone will get will be more than eaten away with increased carbon tax and excise duty and inflation. Why not get rid of the “temporary “ USC do we all forget this was just a temporary measure or so we were told. It doesn’t matter how much the government takes in tax because they will find some way to squander it on something that is of no benefit | |||
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"The country was fucked last week, we are all getting fucked daily, this budget does very little except maybe help some of the vulnerable people out maybe two weeks more in the year, Woop dee Doo. Total revamp of government needed. The children's hospital alone , let alone the bike shed or the hut , these guys are scum and the leaders of the first dail I think might take them outside, line them up by the shed and deal with them. Disgraceful, too long a one party government, fine/fianna same..... Don't believe everything you read on the news , especially mainstream RTE bull crap, this budget does very little for the largest groups of workers and the USC, that was a temporary tax that these motherfuckers put on us nearly 20 years ago, wow, a reduction.... Wake up people! Everyone complains! Few vote! Nothing changes! Untill there's a new party to get in and stick to what they'll say they'll do or even give SF a chance, we will continue to not get anywhere. This country is in real need of a major change but I can not ever see it happening in the foreseeable future. " Giving SF a chance is exactly what we would be doing if they get enough support to form a government. Unfortunately the future prosperity of our country and the wellbeing of its citizens is not something that should be left to "chance" imho. SF have no track record and seem to still be the party of denial and secrecy as proven again in recent days. Giving references to a child mole*ter in the way they did makes them no better than the church who did the same and have been so severely criticised, and rightly so, for doing the same with wrong doers in their organisation. Let the few decent public representatives in SF move to Labour or the SD's where they can help to bring about social change and let the diehards to die out holding their ArmaLites in one hand and a ballot box in the other. They will eventually "have to go away, you know" if left to flounder in the mire of their legacy while the rest of us move on with our lives. | |||
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"The country was fucked last week, we are all getting fucked daily, this budget does very little except maybe help some of the vulnerable people out maybe two weeks more in the year, Woop dee Doo. Total revamp of government needed. The children's hospital alone , let alone the bike shed or the hut , these guys are scum and the leaders of the first dail I think might take them outside, line them up by the shed and deal with them. Disgraceful, too long a one party government, fine/fianna same..... Don't believe everything you read on the news , especially mainstream RTE bull crap, this budget does very little for the largest groups of workers and the USC, that was a temporary tax that these motherfuckers put on us nearly 20 years ago, wow, a reduction.... Wake up people! Everyone complains! Few vote! Nothing changes! Untill there's a new party to get in and stick to what they'll say they'll do or even give SF a chance, we will continue to not get anywhere. This country is in real need of a major change but I can not ever see it happening in the foreseeable future. Giving SF a chance is exactly what we would be doing if they get enough support to form a government. Unfortunately the future prosperity of our country and the wellbeing of its citizens is not something that should be left to "chance" imho. SF have no track record and seem to still be the party of denial and secrecy as proven again in recent days. Giving references to a child mole*ter in the way they did makes them no better than the church who did the same and have been so severely criticised, and rightly so, for doing the same with wrong doers in their organisation. Let the few decent public representatives in SF move to Labour or the SD's where they can help to bring about social change and let the diehards to die out holding their ArmaLites in one hand and a ballot box in the other. They will eventually "have to go away, you know" if left to flounder in the mire of their legacy while the rest of us move on with our lives. " If you're going to start using sexual abuse cases to score political points then can you at least be even handed about it. I trust you recommended that the few decent public representatives in FG moved elsewhere when their own party has had similar issues? FG have a general election candidate who was filmed years ago shoving a twix up a d*unk friend's arse when he was asleep ffs. Some serious money was spent scrubbing that one from the Internet. FF have a list as long as your arm as well, including the Brendan Smith affair, which presumably you feel they handled well. No party has a great record on handling abuse cases perfectly. Tbh, I would have thought going down this road was beneath you, badger. | |||
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"The country was fucked last week, we are all getting fucked daily, this budget does very little except maybe help some of the vulnerable people out maybe two weeks more in the year, Woop dee Doo. Total revamp of government needed. The children's hospital alone , let alone the bike shed or the hut , these guys are scum and the leaders of the first dail I think might take them outside, line them up by the shed and deal with them. Disgraceful, too long a one party government, fine/fianna same..... Don't believe everything you read on the news , especially mainstream RTE bull crap, this budget does very little for the largest groups of workers and the USC, that was a temporary tax that these motherfuckers put on us nearly 20 years ago, wow, a reduction.... Wake up people! Everyone complains! Few vote! Nothing changes! Untill there's a new party to get in and stick to what they'll say they'll do or even give SF a chance, we will continue to not get anywhere. This country is in real need of a major change but I can not ever see it happening in the foreseeable future. Giving SF a chance is exactly what we would be doing if they get enough support to form a government. Unfortunately the future prosperity of our country and the wellbeing of its citizens is not something that should be left to "chance" imho. SF have no track record and seem to still be the party of denial and secrecy as proven again in recent days. Giving references to a child mole*ter in the way they did makes them no better than the church who did the same and have been so severely criticised, and rightly so, for doing the same with wrong doers in their organisation. Let the few decent public representatives in SF move to Labour or the SD's where they can help to bring about social change and let the diehards to die out holding their ArmaLites in one hand and a ballot box in the other. They will eventually "have to go away, you know" if left to flounder in the mire of their legacy while the rest of us move on with our lives. If you're going to start using sexual abuse cases to score political points then can you at least be even handed about it. I trust you recommended that the few decent public representatives in FG moved elsewhere when their own party has had similar issues? FG have a general election candidate who was filmed years ago shoving a twix up a d*unk friend's arse when he was asleep ffs. Some serious money was spent scrubbing that one from the Internet. FF have a list as long as your arm as well, including the Brendan Smith affair, which presumably you feel they handled well. No party has a great record on handling abuse cases perfectly. Tbh, I would have thought going down this road was beneath you, badger. " This seems like a sound argument why none of the three parties should be the next potential leaders of the country rather than and argument for them. I wonder is there a road traffic sign I could vote for | |||
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"The country was fucked last week, we are all getting fucked daily, this budget does very little except maybe help some of the vulnerable people out maybe two weeks more in the year, Woop dee Doo. Total revamp of government needed. The children's hospital alone , let alone the bike shed or the hut , these guys are scum and the leaders of the first dail I think might take them outside, line them up by the shed and deal with them. Disgraceful, too long a one party government, fine/fianna same..... Don't believe everything you read on the news , especially mainstream RTE bull crap, this budget does very little for the largest groups of workers and the USC, that was a temporary tax that these motherfuckers put on us nearly 20 years ago, wow, a reduction.... Wake up people! Everyone complains! Few vote! Nothing changes! Untill there's a new party to get in and stick to what they'll say they'll do or even give SF a chance, we will continue to not get anywhere. This country is in real need of a major change but I can not ever see it happening in the foreseeable future. Giving SF a chance is exactly what we would be doing if they get enough support to form a government. Unfortunately the future prosperity of our country and the wellbeing of its citizens is not something that should be left to "chance" imho. SF have no track record and seem to still be the party of denial and secrecy as proven again in recent days. Giving references to a child mole*ter in the way they did makes them no better than the church who did the same and have been so severely criticised, and rightly so, for doing the same with wrong doers in their organisation. Let the few decent public representatives in SF move to Labour or the SD's where they can help to bring about social change and let the diehards to die out holding their ArmaLites in one hand and a ballot box in the other. They will eventually "have to go away, you know" if left to flounder in the mire of their legacy while the rest of us move on with our lives. If you're going to start using sexual abuse cases to score political points then can you at least be even handed about it. I trust you recommended that the few decent public representatives in FG moved elsewhere when their own party has had similar issues? FG have a general election candidate who was filmed years ago shoving a twix up a d*unk friend's arse when he was asleep ffs. Some serious money was spent scrubbing that one from the Internet. FF have a list as long as your arm as well, including the Brendan Smith affair, which presumably you feel they handled well. No party has a great record on handling abuse cases perfectly. Tbh, I would have thought going down this road was beneath you, badger. This seems like a sound argument why none of the three parties should be the next potential leaders of the country rather than and argument for them. I wonder is there a road traffic sign I could vote for" It's a sound argument that we're all human and none of us are perfect. If you think signs are better than humans then have at it. | |||
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"The country was fucked last week, we are all getting fucked daily, this budget does very little except maybe help some of the vulnerable people out maybe two weeks more in the year, Woop dee Doo. Total revamp of government needed. The children's hospital alone , let alone the bike shed or the hut , these guys are scum and the leaders of the first dail I think might take them outside, line them up by the shed and deal with them. Disgraceful, too long a one party government, fine/fianna same..... Don't believe everything you read on the news , especially mainstream RTE bull crap, this budget does very little for the largest groups of workers and the USC, that was a temporary tax that these motherfuckers put on us nearly 20 years ago, wow, a reduction.... Wake up people! Everyone complains! Few vote! Nothing changes! Untill there's a new party to get in and stick to what they'll say they'll do or even give SF a chance, we will continue to not get anywhere. This country is in real need of a major change but I can not ever see it happening in the foreseeable future. Giving SF a chance is exactly what we would be doing if they get enough support to form a government. Unfortunately the future prosperity of our country and the wellbeing of its citizens is not something that should be left to "chance" imho. SF have no track record and seem to still be the party of denial and secrecy as proven again in recent days. Giving references to a child mole*ter in the way they did makes them no better than the church who did the same and have been so severely criticised, and rightly so, for doing the same with wrong doers in their organisation. Let the few decent public representatives in SF move to Labour or the SD's where they can help to bring about social change and let the diehards to die out holding their ArmaLites in one hand and a ballot box in the other. They will eventually "have to go away, you know" if left to flounder in the mire of their legacy while the rest of us move on with our lives. If you're going to start using sexual abuse cases to score political points then can you at least be even handed about it. I trust you recommended that the few decent public representatives in FG moved elsewhere when their own party has had similar issues? FG have a general election candidate who was filmed years ago shoving a twix up a d*unk friend's arse when he was asleep ffs. Some serious money was spent scrubbing that one from the Internet. FF have a list as long as your arm as well, including the Brendan Smith affair, which presumably you feel they handled well. No party has a great record on handling abuse cases perfectly. Tbh, I would have thought going down this road was beneath you, badger. " ....... Firstly Mick I thought it would be beneath you to make this into a personal attack on me. But you are not the first and probably wont be the last to lower themselves to that level when commenting on my posts. At least some of the others have had the good grace, on reflection, to admit getting personal. But I can only leave that up to you in this case. I would absolutely and totally expect any political party or any other organisation to take swift and decisive action against any wrong doing by any of its members or staff. And it is my lived experience through the 70', 80's, 90's and up to the present day that helps me to see how SF, as committed fellow travellers and glorifiers of terrorists and criminals, that makes that party unfit to have any say in the running of our country. As someone who has had people close to me terrorised, assaulted and in one case shot by scum closeley associated with and openly supported by SF I am happy to call it as it is. By their actions so shall they be judged and no amount of Easter Lilly waving or Up The RA ranting will ever expung the wrongs they have done to the citizens of this country and elsewhere. Ireland as a society deserves better than they can ever provide and I look forward to the day that SF party is finally consigned to a sad chapter in our country's history where it belongs. Rachaidh a gcuid lá thart. | |||
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"The country was fucked last week, we are all getting fucked daily, this budget does very little except maybe help some of the vulnerable people out maybe two weeks more in the year, Woop dee Doo. Total revamp of government needed. The children's hospital alone , let alone the bike shed or the hut , these guys are scum and the leaders of the first dail I think might take them outside, line them up by the shed and deal with them. Disgraceful, too long a one party government, fine/fianna same..... Don't believe everything you read on the news , especially mainstream RTE bull crap, this budget does very little for the largest groups of workers and the USC, that was a temporary tax that these motherfuckers put on us nearly 20 years ago, wow, a reduction.... Wake up people! Everyone complains! Few vote! Nothing changes! Untill there's a new party to get in and stick to what they'll say they'll do or even give SF a chance, we will continue to not get anywhere. This country is in real need of a major change but I can not ever see it happening in the foreseeable future. Giving SF a chance is exactly what we would be doing if they get enough support to form a government. Unfortunately the future prosperity of our country and the wellbeing of its citizens is not something that should be left to "chance" imho. SF have no track record and seem to still be the party of denial and secrecy as proven again in recent days. Giving references to a child mole*ter in the way they did makes them no better than the church who did the same and have been so severely criticised, and rightly so, for doing the same with wrong doers in their organisation. Let the few decent public representatives in SF move to Labour or the SD's where they can help to bring about social change and let the diehards to die out holding their ArmaLites in one hand and a ballot box in the other. They will eventually "have to go away, you know" if left to flounder in the mire of their legacy while the rest of us move on with our lives. If you're going to start using sexual abuse cases to score political points then can you at least be even handed about it. I trust you recommended that the few decent public representatives in FG moved elsewhere when their own party has had similar issues? FG have a general election candidate who was filmed years ago shoving a twix up a d*unk friend's arse when he was asleep ffs. Some serious money was spent scrubbing that one from the Internet. FF have a list as long as your arm as well, including the Brendan Smith affair, which presumably you feel they handled well. No party has a great record on handling abuse cases perfectly. Tbh, I would have thought going down this road was beneath you, badger. ....... Firstly Mick I thought it would be beneath you to make this into a personal attack on me. But you are not the first and probably wont be the last to lower themselves to that level when commenting on my posts. At least some of the others have had the good grace, on reflection, to admit getting personal. But I can only leave that up to you in this case. I would absolutely and totally expect any political party or any other organisation to take swift and decisive action against any wrong doing by any of its members or staff. And it is my lived experience through the 70', 80's, 90's and up to the present day that helps me to see how SF, as committed fellow travellers and glorifiers of terrorists and criminals, that makes that party unfit to have any say in the running of our country. As someone who has had people close to me terrorised, assaulted and in one case shot by scum closeley associated with and openly supported by SF I am happy to call it as it is. By their actions so shall they be judged and no amount of Easter Lilly waving or Up The RA ranting will ever expung the wrongs they have done to the citizens of this country and elsewhere. Ireland as a society deserves better than they can ever provide and I look forward to the day that SF party is finally consigned to a sad chapter in our country's history where it belongs. Rachaidh a gcuid lá thart. " I trust them that you don't vote for FG and FF either if no amount of whatever can expunge what they did in the past. I would suggest from your favourable views towards FG that time has indeed expunged much of the violence and fascism that lurks in their history, as indeed it should but what's sauce for the goose should also be sauce for the gander. Also, don't go making this into something it's not. If you're not capable of some debate then don't start a thread designed to stir people. | |||
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"The country was fucked last week, we are all getting fucked daily, this budget does very little except maybe help some of the vulnerable people out maybe two weeks more in the year, Woop dee Doo. Total revamp of government needed. The children's hospital alone , let alone the bike shed or the hut , these guys are scum and the leaders of the first dail I think might take them outside, line them up by the shed and deal with them. Disgraceful, too long a one party government, fine/fianna same..... Don't believe everything you read on the news , especially mainstream RTE bull crap, this budget does very little for the largest groups of workers and the USC, that was a temporary tax that these motherfuckers put on us nearly 20 years ago, wow, a reduction.... Wake up people! Everyone complains! Few vote! Nothing changes! Untill there's a new party to get in and stick to what they'll say they'll do or even give SF a chance, we will continue to not get anywhere. This country is in real need of a major change but I can not ever see it happening in the foreseeable future. Giving SF a chance is exactly what we would be doing if they get enough support to form a government. Unfortunately the future prosperity of our country and the wellbeing of its citizens is not something that should be left to "chance" imho. SF have no track record and seem to still be the party of denial and secrecy as proven again in recent days. Giving references to a child mole*ter in the way they did makes them no better than the church who did the same and have been so severely criticised, and rightly so, for doing the same with wrong doers in their organisation. Let the few decent public representatives in SF move to Labour or the SD's where they can help to bring about social change and let the diehards to die out holding their ArmaLites in one hand and a ballot box in the other. They will eventually "have to go away, you know" if left to flounder in the mire of their legacy while the rest of us move on with our lives. If you're going to start using sexual abuse cases to score political points then can you at least be even handed about it. I trust you recommended that the few decent public representatives in FG moved elsewhere when their own party has had similar issues? FG have a general election candidate who was filmed years ago shoving a twix up a d*unk friend's arse when he was asleep ffs. Some serious money was spent scrubbing that one from the Internet. FF have a list as long as your arm as well, including the Brendan Smith affair, which presumably you feel they handled well. No party has a great record on handling abuse cases perfectly. Tbh, I would have thought going down this road was beneath you, badger. ....... Firstly Mick I thought it would be beneath you to make this into a personal attack on me. But you are not the first and probably wont be the last to lower themselves to that level when commenting on my posts. I would absolutely and totally expect any political party or any other organisation to take swift and decisive action against any wrong doing by any of its members or staff. And it is my lived experience through the 70's, 80's, 90's and up to the present day that helps me to see how SF, as committed fellow travellers and glorifiers of terrorists and criminals, that makes that party unfit to have any say in the running of our country. As someone who has had people close to me terrorised, intimidated and in one case shot by scum closeley associated with and openly supported by SF I am happy to call it as I see it. By their actions so shall they be judged and no amount of Easter Lilly waving or Up The RA ranting will ever expung the wrongs they have done to the citizens of this country and elsewhere. Ireland as a society deserves better than they can ever provide and I look forward to the day that SF party is finally consigned to a sad chapter in our country's history where it belongs. Rachaidh a gcuid lá thart. I trust them that you don't vote for FG and FF either if no amount of whatever can expunge what they did in the past. I would suggest from your favourable views towards FG that time has indeed expunged much of the violence and fascism that lurks in their history, as indeed it should but what's sauce for the goose should also be sauce for the gander. Also, don't go making this into something it's not. If you're not capable of some debate then don't start a thread designed to stir people. " The secrecy of the ballot box is a fundamental corner stone of any properly functioning democracy but to correct any impression you may have that I am either a FF or FG supporter I am happy to declare that I have always leaned towards the Labour party based on their general social policies. While I am not a "card carrying member" of any political party I did canvass for a Labour candidate in the recent local elections. To be fair I believe I was actually engaging in open and honest debate and it was you who personalised things by your comment suggesting that it should be beneath me to express the opinions which I did. I have never shied away from open, honest and reasoned debate on these forums and on the occasions where I have been proven to be incorrect in my argument I have been happy to admit my error and accept the contrary point of view. If someone is able to show me evidence that SF are capable of offering sound, solid and safe leadership of this country and not the "wrap the green flag round me boys" fairy tale vision that they promote I am more than willing to change my opinion on the basis of such evidence. | |||
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"The country was fucked last week, we are all getting fucked daily, this budget does very little except maybe help some of the vulnerable people out maybe two weeks more in the year, Woop dee Doo. Total revamp of government needed. The children's hospital alone , let alone the bike shed or the hut , these guys are scum and the leaders of the first dail I think might take them outside, line them up by the shed and deal with them. Disgraceful, too long a one party government, fine/fianna same..... Don't believe everything you read on the news , especially mainstream RTE bull crap, this budget does very little for the largest groups of workers and the USC, that was a temporary tax that these motherfuckers put on us nearly 20 years ago, wow, a reduction.... Wake up people! Everyone complains! Few vote! Nothing changes! Untill there's a new party to get in and stick to what they'll say they'll do or even give SF a chance, we will continue to not get anywhere. This country is in real need of a major change but I can not ever see it happening in the foreseeable future. Giving SF a chance is exactly what we would be doing if they get enough support to form a government. Unfortunately the future prosperity of our country and the wellbeing of its citizens is not something that should be left to "chance" imho. SF have no track record and seem to still be the party of denial and secrecy as proven again in recent days. Giving references to a child mole*ter in the way they did makes them no better than the church who did the same and have been so severely criticised, and rightly so, for doing the same with wrong doers in their organisation. Let the few decent public representatives in SF move to Labour or the SD's where they can help to bring about social change and let the diehards to die out holding their ArmaLites in one hand and a ballot box in the other. They will eventually "have to go away, you know" if left to flounder in the mire of their legacy while the rest of us move on with our lives. If you're going to start using sexual abuse cases to score political points then can you at least be even handed about it. I trust you recommended that the few decent public representatives in FG moved elsewhere when their own party has had similar issues? FG have a general election candidate who was filmed years ago shoving a twix up a d*unk friend's arse when he was asleep ffs. Some serious money was spent scrubbing that one from the Internet. FF have a list as long as your arm as well, including the Brendan Smith affair, which presumably you feel they handled well. No party has a great record on handling abuse cases perfectly. Tbh, I would have thought going down this road was beneath you, badger. ....... Firstly Mick I thought it would be beneath you to make this into a personal attack on me. But you are not the first and probably wont be the last to lower themselves to that level when commenting on my posts. I would absolutely and totally expect any political party or any other organisation to take swift and decisive action against any wrong doing by any of its members or staff. And it is my lived experience through the 70's, 80's, 90's and up to the present day that helps me to see how SF, as committed fellow travellers and glorifiers of terrorists and criminals, that makes that party unfit to have any say in the running of our country. As someone who has had people close to me terrorised, intimidated and in one case shot by scum closeley associated with and openly supported by SF I am happy to call it as I see it. By their actions so shall they be judged and no amount of Easter Lilly waving or Up The RA ranting will ever expung the wrongs they have done to the citizens of this country and elsewhere. Ireland as a society deserves better than they can ever provide and I look forward to the day that SF party is finally consigned to a sad chapter in our country's history where it belongs. Rachaidh a gcuid lá thart. I trust them that you don't vote for FG and FF either if no amount of whatever can expunge what they did in the past. I would suggest from your favourable views towards FG that time has indeed expunged much of the violence and fascism that lurks in their history, as indeed it should but what's sauce for the goose should also be sauce for the gander. Also, don't go making this into something it's not. If you're not capable of some debate then don't start a thread designed to stir people. The secrecy of the ballot box is a fundamental corner stone of any properly functioning democracy but to correct any impression you may have that I am either a FF or FG supporter I am happy to declare that I have always leaned towards the Labour party based on their general social policies. While I am not a "card carrying member" of any political party I did canvass for a Labour candidate in the recent local elections. To be fair I believe I was actually engaging in open and honest debate and it was you who personalised things by your comment suggesting that it should be beneath me to express the opinions which I did. I have never shied away from open, honest and reasoned debate on these forums and on the occasions where I have been proven to be incorrect in my argument I have been happy to admit my error and accept the contrary point of view. If someone is able to show me evidence that SF are capable of offering sound, solid and safe leadership of this country and not the "wrap the green flag round me boys" fairy tale vision that they promote I am more than willing to change my opinion on the basis of such evidence. " You've missed my point completely. Using victims of abuse to knock any particular party is foolish at best, reprehensible at worst, and always naive. Talking about victimhood is fine as long as you remain conscious that all sides have victims and there are no hierarchies of victimhood, or at least there shouldn't be. As for changing your opinion, that's not going to happen so I wouldn't waste my time trying. I have nothing further to add. If you wish to read it as some sort of person assault on your character, have at it. | |||
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"The country was fucked last week, we are all getting fucked daily, this budget does very little except maybe help some of the vulnerable people out maybe two weeks more in the year, Woop dee Doo. Total revamp of government needed. The children's hospital alone , let alone the bike shed or the hut , these guys are scum and the leaders of the first dail I think might take them outside, line them up by the shed and deal with them. Disgraceful, too long a one party government, fine/fianna same..... Don't believe everything you read on the news , especially mainstream RTE bull crap, this budget does very little for the largest groups of workers and the USC, that was a temporary tax that these motherfuckers put on us nearly 20 years ago, wow, a reduction.... Wake up people! Everyone complains! Few vote! Nothing changes! Untill there's a new party to get in and stick to what they'll say they'll do or even give SF a chance, we will continue to not get anywhere. This country is in real need of a major change but I can not ever see it happening in the foreseeable future. Giving SF a chance is exactly what we would be doing if they get enough support to form a government. Unfortunately the future prosperity of our country and the wellbeing of its citizens is not something that should be left to "chance" imho. SF have no track record and seem to still be the party of denial and secrecy as proven again in recent days. Giving references to a child mole*ter in the way they did makes them no better than the church who did the same and have been so severely criticised, and rightly so, for doing the same with wrong doers in their organisation. Let the few decent public representatives in SF move to Labour or the SD's where they can help to bring about social change and let the diehards to die out holding their ArmaLites in one hand and a ballot box in the other. They will eventually "have to go away, you know" if left to flounder in the mire of their legacy while the rest of us move on with our lives. If you're going to start using sexual abuse cases to score political points then can you at least be even handed about it. I trust you recommended that the few decent public representatives in FG moved elsewhere when their own party has had similar issues? FG have a general election candidate who was filmed years ago shoving a twix up a d*unk friend's arse when he was asleep ffs. Some serious money was spent scrubbing that one from the Internet. FF have a list as long as your arm as well, including the Brendan Smith affair, which presumably you feel they handled well. No party has a great record on handling abuse cases perfectly. Tbh, I would have thought going down this road was beneath you, badger. ....... Firstly Mick I thought it would be beneath you to make this into a personal attack on me. But you are not the first and probably wont be the last to lower themselves to that level when commenting on my posts. I would absolutely and totally expect any political party or any other organisation to take swift and decisive action against any wrong doing by any of its members or staff. And it is my lived experience through the 70's, 80's, 90's and up to the present day that helps me to see how SF, as committed fellow travellers and glorifiers of terrorists and criminals, that makes that party unfit to have any say in the running of our country. As someone who has had people close to me terrorised, intimidated and in one case shot by scum closeley associated with and openly supported by SF I am happy to call it as I see it. By their actions so shall they be judged and no amount of Easter Lilly waving or Up The RA ranting will ever expung the wrongs they have done to the citizens of this country and elsewhere. Ireland as a society deserves better than they can ever provide and I look forward to the day that SF party is finally consigned to a sad chapter in our country's history where it belongs. Rachaidh a gcuid lá thart. I trust them that you don't vote for FG and FF either if no amount of whatever can expunge what they did in the past. I would suggest from your favourable views towards FG that time has indeed expunged much of the violence and fascism that lurks in their history, as indeed it should but what's sauce for the goose should also be sauce for the gander. Also, don't go making this into something it's not. If you're not capable of some debate then don't start a thread designed to stir people. The secrecy of the ballot box is a fundamental corner stone of any properly functioning democracy but to correct any impression you may have that I am either a FF or FG supporter I am happy to declare that I have always leaned towards the Labour party based on their general social policies. While I am not a "card carrying member" of any political party I did canvass for a Labour candidate in the recent local elections. To be fair I believe I was actually engaging in open and honest debate and it was you who personalised things by your comment suggesting that it should be beneath me to express the opinions which I did. I have never shied away from open, honest and reasoned debate on these forums and on the occasions where I have been proven to be incorrect in my argument I have been happy to admit my error and accept the contrary point of view. If someone is able to show me evidence that SF are capable of offering sound, solid and safe leadership of this country and not the "wrap the green flag round me boys" fairy tale vision that they promote I am more than willing to change my opinion on the basis of such evidence. You've missed my point completely. Using victims of abuse to knock any particular party is foolish at best, reprehensible at worst, and always naive. Talking about victimhood is fine as long as you remain conscious that all sides have victims and there are no hierarchies of victimhood, or at least there shouldn't be. As for changing your opinion, that's not going to happen so I wouldn't waste my time trying. I have nothing further to add. If you wish to read it as some sort of person assault on your character, have at it. " ........ If I have missed your point or misunderstand what you have said I would be more than happy if you could clarify it for me. And yes of course there are victims on every side but they are just that, innocent victims. It's the perpetrators of violence and the people who control them and those that support them are the ones who have to carry the blame for their despicable actions. The fact that many in SF still hang on to the ethos of "they haven't gone away you know" in my opinion makes them unwilling to commit to the rules of a civilised democracy and therefore unfit to participate in the governing of our country. Too many of the crazies, crooks and criminals are still very much in control of that organisation....some from their villas in Spain, or South of France, or West Cork and Donegal, a lifestyle funded by the proceeds of bank and post office robberies, racketeering and extortion. And again I make that statement from personal knowledge of the facts. I have unfortunately been, unwittingly, in the company of such individuals who are more than happy to gloat about their ill gotten gains and justifying it by espousing all kinds of quasi patriotic platitudes. So I guess Mick the best I can hope for is to agree to differ with you on this one. I hope in doing so it won't preclude me from engaging with you in the future on some more lighthearted topics. 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