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"If you are aware of the case, you must be disgusted. Never ever trust the word of the husband without talking with the wife. Conscious. Speak up if something looks strange. " Absolutely disgusting behaviour and even worse was that his daughter was a victim as well as his wife. | |||
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"I'm always uncomfortable and uneasy with status updates and forum posts from men, especially single men, looking for men to come over and have sex with the wife, partner or gf. " Or the ones who start threads trying to set up their wife or partner who know nothing about it and even worse are the men who join into these threads agreeing to do it and can see nothing at all wrong with it either. No one with an ounce of decency would even think it's okay to do this. It is pure predatory behaviour. And I do not understand how anyone can be that desperate for sex that they think it's okay. | |||
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"Horrific case and this is up there with the worst of it: “ Some of the accused said they did not believe it was r*pe, because her husband was there and they believed he could consent for both of them.” 🤯🤯" This is exactly my point! Many of them thought they were helping a couple to fulfil a sexual fantasy | |||
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"Horrific case and this is up there with the worst of it: “ Some of the accused said they did not believe it was r*pe, because her husband was there and they believed he could consent for both of them.” 🤯🤯 This is exactly my point! Many of them thought they were helping a couple to fulfil a sexual fantasy " I appreciate that, but not one of them though to follow up on her wellbeing? Ask her how she was? Their acceptance smacks of her being her husbands possession and them blindly accepting that rather than seeing her as an autonomous human being. Mysogyny is not r*pe but it's still shitty and we are supposed to have moved on from that. Mysogeny also allowed this to continue for years and years. | |||
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"Horrific case and this is up there with the worst of it: “ Some of the accused said they did not believe it was r*pe, because her husband was there and they believed he could consent for both of them.” 🤯🤯 This is exactly my point! Many of them thought they were helping a couple to fulfil a sexual fantasy " Any man with an ounce of decency would have wanted to speak to the woman before they fucked her. And there is a massive difference between a kink and someone being tranquilized to the point they have no clue what is happening and anyone with half a brain would know the person was out of it. There is no excuses that can make what they did to be okay,they knew exactly what they were doing as did her husband. They all are sexual predators and I hope they all get what they deserve. | |||
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"Horrific case and this is up there with the worst of it: “ Some of the accused said they did not believe it was r*pe, because her husband was there and they believed he could consent for both of them.” 🤯🤯 This is exactly my point! Many of them thought they were helping a couple to fulfil a sexual fantasy Any man with an ounce of decency would have wanted to speak to the woman before they fucked her. And there is a massive difference between a kink and someone being tranquilized to the point they have no clue what is happening and anyone with half a brain would know the person was out of it. There is no excuses that can make what they did to be okay,they knew exactly what they were doing as did her husband. They all are sexual predators and I hope they all get what they deserve. " Absolutely 💯 disgusting behaviour. There are two individuals in a relationship...I think some people forget that. Two humans where consent should and must be obtained. What a horrific ordeal for that poor woman and her family 💔😫😫😫 I cannot imagine how they feel... B x | |||
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"Agree with everything said but the men were all members of a website specific to a woman not knowing she was being r*ped and assaulted Not going to find many decent men there " Was that the case? (I didnt see that reported). Was it a Reddit or similar or was it F et or even F ab. In kink there is CNC. It's negotiated and consenting. I have heard a grown assed mature woman with her head absolutely screwed on saying her biggest fantasy is to be dr and taken while under. But she's decided herself that she will leave it as a fantasy only partly because she's on a meds regime and the type of drug starting with Ro would potentially mess with her meds. But I think it's really clear in this case this woman didn't know and it wasn't her kink. But what gets me is that the men involved didn't ask her prior, or follow up after. Either would have alerted her. | |||
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" Speak up if something looks strange. " This part worries me the most tbh. How many would never participate but would look the other way as it's "none of my business"? | |||
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" Speak up if something looks strange. This part worries me the most tbh. How many would never participate but would look the other way as it's "none of my business"?" Exactly It is not only for what we do that we are responsible but also for what we do not do Too many scary threads lately of guys organising 'gang bangs' for women who are unseen and unheard and guys asking would someone come seduce their 'wife' in a bar without her knowledge of this being arranged And scarier still the amount of guys who instantly say yes without Any further questions | |||
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"Have read a few different reports and the whole thing turns my stomach. Gisele pelicot is an amazing , brave woman and I hope she has happiness for the rest of her life" This  | |||
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" Speak up if something looks strange. This part worries me the most tbh. How many would never participate but would look the other way as it's "none of my business"? Exactly It is not only for what we do that we are responsible but also for what we do not do Too many scary threads lately of guys organising 'gang bangs' for women who are unseen and unheard and guys asking would someone come seduce their 'wife' in a bar without her knowledge of this being arranged And scarier still the amount of guys who instantly say yes without Any further questions " Totally agree | |||
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"Always a danger when someone is hiding the real identity of themselves (not just a user name) Like how many men pretend be someone else on online dating apps Different names Different age(always younger)lads in mid 50s pretending to be in 40s and such. It's very dangerous for women and they have and will be outed especially when they have wife's and kids themselfs and are preying on women on line for some sick twisted reason..I always worry what the wife goes through with these people How many women have got into serious trouble meeting some one with fake names and backrounds lately on the news These guys are a DANGER to all women and will be outed to everyone as much as possible There's a new show coming soon will be great to watch Called the Joel /Simon ordeal Men like this should be made public when caught so everyone knows to stay clear and hopefully save a life " Nearly everyone uses fake names here. Names should not be made public here as this would be abused by people with grudges. Outing people to their family seems like a good idea, until someone does it for spite. Pretending to be younger than you are is annoying, but is very common here and not in the same ballpark. I appreciate that you're expressing outrage her and it's understandable, but the answers (and appropriate responses) aren't as simple as you're suggesting. | |||
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"Whilst 20 years is the maximum sentence it still feels lenient, the husband should do life" Agreed | |||
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"Always a danger when someone is hiding the real identity of themselves (not just a user name) Like how many men pretend be someone else on online dating apps Different names Different age(always younger)lads in mid 50s pretending to be in 40s and such. It's very dangerous for women and they have and will be outed especially when they have wife's and kids themselfs and are preying on women on line for some sick twisted reason..I always worry what the wife goes through with these people How many women have got into serious trouble meeting some one with fake names and backrounds lately on the news These guys are a DANGER to all women and will be outed to everyone as much as possible There's a new show coming soon will be great to watch Called the Joel /Simon ordeal Men like this should be made public when caught so everyone knows to stay clear and hopefully save a life " But you're hiding your profile  | |||
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"Whilst 20 years is the maximum sentence it still feels lenient, the husband should do life" Some of the guilty walked free because of time spend on remand I wonder is it easier to serve time on remand ....not as strict..away from the main prison population who'd beat the shite out of you if they knew what you did | |||
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"If you are aware of the case, you must be disgusted. Never ever trust the word of the husband without talking with the wife. Conscious. Speak up if something looks strange. " I don't think men did not know that this was against her will. Surely if someone does not move at all she isn't OK with this | |||
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"What % of men would r@pe if they thought they would get away with it? Probably 50%" That's a very sweeping load of bs. | |||
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"What % of men would r@pe if they thought they would get away with it? Probably 50%" Surely not It can’t be that high! For the sake of humanity it can’t be that high! | |||
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"What % of men would r@pe if they thought they would get away with it? Probably 50%" ..... I don't believe you can put a figure on the % of people that "would" do something bad if they thought they would get away with it. In reality it is possible that 100% would transgress given a certain set of circumstances but based on the number of reported cases and with a best guess at the amount of unreported cases it's probably only a fraction of 1% who actually do carry out such acts. Not all humans are evil but all humans have the capability to act in an evil way. We can only judge people by their actions not by what we think they might be capable of doing. | |||
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"What % of men would r@pe if they thought they would get away with it? Probably 50%" It's certainly food for thought. I dread to think what a lawless society would look like. We're a civilised society but mainly because of our laws imo. Mrs. | |||
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"Is like to think the percentage isn't that high, but I wouldn't be surprised. Look for example at the prevalence of sexual abuse in the Catholic church. It's endemic. Men in powerful positions with easy one one one access and with the ability to offend without consequence, will far to often take the opportunity." Powerful positions like (formerly) clergy, the guards and politicians tend to attract narcissists so I think that might explain the prevalence in such positions. | |||
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"Pardon my ignorance, just a question I have been sitting on for a bit…. Did it become r@Pe when she reveals she did not consent ? Or was it always r@pe ?" Having sex with someone without their expressed and clear consent is r@pe. So yes it was always r@pe | |||
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"Pardon my ignorance, just a question I have been sitting on for a bit…. Did it become r@Pe when she reveals she did not consent ? Or was it always r@pe ? Having sex with someone without their expressed and clear consent is r@pe. So yes it was always r@pe" I guess the question is if she had consented to being dru*ged and these men came in is it still r@pe. I am assuming we don’t have to wonder whether non consensual sex is r@pe. | |||
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"Pardon my ignorance, just a question I have been sitting on for a bit…. Did it become r@Pe when she reveals she did not consent ? Or was it always r@pe ? Having sex with someone without their expressed and clear consent is r@pe. So yes it was always r@pe I guess the question is if she had consented to being dru*ged and these men came in is it still r@pe. I am assuming we don’t have to wonder whether non consensual sex is r@pe." If a person accepts drinks from someone and they are then sexually assaulted by the person, do you think that that isn’t r@pe? | |||
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"Pardon my ignorance, just a question I have been sitting on for a bit…. Did it become r@Pe when she reveals she did not consent ? Or was it always r@pe ? Having sex with someone without their expressed and clear consent is r@pe. So yes it was always r@pe I guess the question is if she had consented to being dru*ged and these men came in is it still r@pe. I am assuming we don’t have to wonder whether non consensual sex is r@pe." If she consented to being dru*ged, (she didn't) that's all, that consent does not extend further. Consent to sex, must be to the actual sexual encounter, the person giving consent must have capacity to consent (sober, over 18, mentally capable of consenting). | |||
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"What % of men would r@pe if they thought they would get away with it? Probably 50% That's a very sweeping load of bs." Complete Crap... Sorry. | |||
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"What % of men would r@pe if they thought they would get away with it? Probably 50%" Jfc. | |||
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"The husband gave them instructions in advance, they were to arrive with no smell of cigarettes or aftershave on them, and were told to warm their hands on the radiator before touching her, to avoid waking her. One of them, caressed her, and backed away after that, he left, because he felt uncomfortable. He was guilty of sexual assault (not r@pe). They knew what they were doing. " Disgusting b*starts! Hope the inmates treat them as they deserve!  | |||
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"Pardon my ignorance, just a question I have been sitting on for a bit…. Did it become r@Pe when she reveals she did not consent ? Or was it always r@pe ? Having sex with someone without their expressed and clear consent is r@pe. So yes it was always r@pe I guess the question is if she had consented to being dru*ged and these men came in is it still r@pe. I am assuming we don’t have to wonder whether non consensual sex is r@pe. If a person accepts drinks from someone and they are then sexually assaulted by the person, do you think that that isn’t r@pe?" I am actually wondering why the rest of the men got lesser sentences. So I am in no way condoning what they did. | |||
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"The husband gave them instructions in advance, they were to arrive with no smell of cigarettes or aftershave on them, and were told to warm their hands on the radiator before touching her, to avoid waking her. One of them, caressed her, and backed away after that, he left, because he felt uncomfortable. He was guilty of sexual assault (not r@pe). They knew what they were doing. " Yes those details are incriminating enough, but these sentences are not sending out the right messages. I am struggling with why they are not being given the full force of the law. I think there is a case for full r@Pe charges and subsequent due sentences | |||
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"Interesting difference between the family (Pelicot Kids) reaction to the sentence Gisele herself. She seems (currently), to be satisfied with the sentences, and her kids are deeply dissatisfied with the leniency on many of the accomplices. Hopefully non of them appeal against the rulings. Or if they do they loose and get extra punishment if that's possible. I said it above and I will repeat it. Regardless of any fantasy, there is no place where any individual can give consent on behalf of another individual for any degree of sexual act. Wether child, adult or aged this must be a line never ever crossed. " Spot on | |||
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"The husband gave them instructions in advance, they were to arrive with no smell of cigarettes or aftershave on them, and were told to warm their hands on the radiator before touching her, to avoid waking her. One of them, caressed her, and backed away after that, he left, because he felt uncomfortable. He was guilty of sexual assault (not r@pe). They knew what they were doing. Yes those details are incriminating enough, but these sentences are not sending out the right messages. I am struggling with why they are not being given the full force of the law. I think there is a case for full r@Pe charges and subsequent due sentences" It's obviously necessary to have a range or sentences available for offenses you're convinced of. Here there is a maximum of 20 years which this poor lady's husband rightly got. There is a logic to those who committed less serious offenses than him, to receive a lesser sentence. Justice needs to be served according to the crimes committed on a case by case basis and leaving room for the most serious cases to have stronger sentences than those with some mitigation. | |||
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"Interesting difference between the family (Pelicot Kids) reaction to the sentence Gisele herself. She seems (currently), to be satisfied with the sentences, and her kids are deeply dissatisfied with the leniency on many of the accomplices. Hopefully non of them appeal against the rulings. Or if they do they loose and get extra punishment if that's possible. I said it above and I will repeat it. Regardless of any fantasy, there is no place where any individual can give consent on behalf of another individual for any degree of sexual act. Wether child, adult or aged this must be a line never ever crossed. Spot on" Isn’t one of the children’s issues that they feel that they have been ignored as well as victims? | |||
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