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"Slightly complicated. I've met a woman from another app who wanted a GUM clean bill of health so we could rawdog. That is a special circumstance of course as we're both doing a mildly PITA thing to have hotter sex later. And it was very hot, lots of creamy fun all morning and evening, she felt sensational on my cock and she could feel me cumming inside her. Tests before, after, totally clean. As I see it, if people are lazy it's a horrible idea. As a responsibility it's not so different to the woman taking the pill except both of you need to get tested. It makes sense to get a annual GUM test, same as going to the dentist, if you're sexually active. After all you can get a disease from getting a blowjob or going down on the woman and very few people use protection of any sort for those. I understand the yick factor on bareback for some people though, because there are very irresponsible people. I was on Fab in the UK years ago and a man was infected with HIV *and* looking for bareback *and* several women felt sympathy for him *and* were fucking him. I saw this happening with other swingers, we were horrified, we felt like unleashing German Sheppards into the streets lol. The headline focus on safety and stds leaves out the fact there exist regions of the world where 20-30% of the population has lethal infectious diseases. A piece of latex isn't going to help you if you have an ongoing relationship, it's more of a lottery than taking extreme risks in countries with low disease prevalence. I'm going for a broad spectrum GUM test soon in Cork, and I think it should be everybody's civic duty to be honest. The issue is there are few incentives to do the right thing, I don't think Fab allows you to post your certs directly and governments avoid this sort of practical health measure." You're doing more testing than most and that's to your credit, but I wouldn't agree with all that. Posting certs and trusting fab to be the gatekeeper for bare sex would be a minefield. Who takes responsibility if disease does happen (which it would given time). What about people faking tests? What about the simple verbal or texted results which are common. Legal action would certainly follow after infection after following the fab cert process. Your idea that "a piece of latex isn't going to help" getting infected abroad is untrue. Condoms massively help with disease control. Pre-prep even married couples were able to prevent hiv transmission between each other in many cases by using condoms. Even with testing before and after bareback sex there can be a big lag between infection and positive testing. You or your partner could still be a disease / transmission risk even with negative results, if sex happens during the lag between infection and positive test results. | |||
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"Slightly complicated. I've met a woman from another app who wanted a GUM clean bill of health so we could rawdog. That is a special circumstance of course as we're both doing a mildly PITA thing to have hotter sex later. And it was very hot, lots of creamy fun all morning and evening, she felt sensational on my cock and she could feel me cumming inside her. Tests before, after, totally clean. As I see it, if people are lazy it's a horrible idea. As a responsibility it's not so different to the woman taking the pill except both of you need to get tested. It makes sense to get a annual GUM test, same as going to the dentist, if you're sexually active. After all you can get a disease from getting a blowjob or going down on the woman and very few people use protection of any sort for those. I understand the yick factor on bareback for some people though, because there are very irresponsible people. I was on Fab in the UK years ago and a man was infected with HIV *and* looking for bareback *and* several women felt sympathy for him *and* were fucking him. I saw this happening with other swingers, we were horrified, we felt like unleashing German Sheppards into the streets lol. The headline focus on safety and stds leaves out the fact there exist regions of the world where 20-30% of the population has lethal infectious diseases. A piece of latex isn't going to help you if you have an ongoing relationship, it's more of a lottery than taking extreme risks in countries with low disease prevalence. I'm going for a broad spectrum GUM test soon in Cork, and I think it should be everybody's civic duty to be honest. The issue is there are few incentives to do the right thing, I don't think Fab allows you to post your certs directly and governments avoid this sort of practical health measure." 1) Some STD will be on the tests only after 6 weeks. So you have to do at least 2 tests before. 2) You have to do 2 tests after. 3) It’s better to do tests every 3 months if you have more than one partner, cause you can be responsible only for your actions. People lie. 4) Pills don’t give 100% safety from pregnancy. Again you can’t be sure that lady was taking it regularly for a certain period of time. 5) Condoms give the highest protection from STI and pregnancy. 2in1 You can choose non latex condoms, they are thinner. Choose the right size for your girth and sleep peacefully. | |||
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"Condoms are better at preventing some infections than others. Not every infection is life-changing. It's up to people to choose the level of risk they're comfortable with." So you like to play a russian roulette and see if that infection would be life changing? Do you know that most STI affect women worse than men? | |||
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"Condoms are better at preventing some infections than others. Not every infection is life-changing. It's up to people to choose the level of risk they're comfortable with. So you like to play a russian roulette and see if that infection would be life changing? Do you know that most STI affect women worse than men? " You're inferring things I didn't say. I didn't comment on my own practices. Regarding life changing, there's a bit of a jump in seriousness from, say, HPV to HIV. | |||
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"Condoms are better at preventing some infections than others. Not every infection is life-changing. It's up to people to choose the level of risk they're comfortable with. So you like to play a russian roulette and see if that infection would be life changing? Do you know that most STI affect women worse than men? You're inferring things I didn't say. I didn't comment on my own practices. Regarding life changing, there's a bit of a jump in seriousness from, say, HPV to HIV." You know hpv can cause cancer in both men and women. You appear to be suggesting that cancer isn't life changing  | |||
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"Seems to be a thing for younger guys maybe? As a teenager in the 80s we were bombarded with AIDS info. Not much public advocacy for condom use now. A guy wouldn’t get near me without one. " This advert was hugely successful. There isn't a modern day equivalent really | |||
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"Seems to be a thing for younger guys maybe? As a teenager in the 80s we were bombarded with AIDS info. Not much public advocacy for condom use now. A guy wouldn’t get near me without one. This advert was hugely successful. There isn't a modern day equivalent really " Was that the iceberg one Frightened the crap out of you in the 80's | |||
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"Seems to be a thing for younger guys maybe? As a teenager in the 80s we were bombarded with AIDS info. Not much public advocacy for condom use now. A guy wouldn’t get near me without one. This advert was hugely successful. There isn't a modern day equivalent really Was that the iceberg one Frightened the crap out of you in the 80's " Yeah I remember being scared by it as a kid | |||
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"I know it is not directly related to the topic but I suppose it relates to health risks and might be useful to someone new to the site. I Just want to say that SH24.ie offer a free home test STI service and it’s a good idea for everyone regardless of whether or not they use protection to avail of this great service." Fantastic service honestly- test arrives in the mail and I had last result within 24 hours of sending back samples. I don't know why anyone wouldn't regularly test with an option like this available | |||
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"Slightly complicated. I've met a woman from another app who wanted a GUM clean bill of health so we could rawdog. That is a special circumstance of course as we're both doing a mildly PITA thing to have hotter sex later. And it was very hot, lots of creamy fun all morning and evening, she felt sensational on my cock and she could feel me cumming inside her. Tests before, after, totally clean. As I see it, if people are lazy it's a horrible idea. As a responsibility it's not so different to the woman taking the pill except both of you need to get tested. It makes sense to get a annual GUM test, same as going to the dentist, if you're sexually active. After all you can get a disease from getting a blowjob or going down on the woman and very few people use protection of any sort for those. I understand the yick factor on bareback for some people though, because there are very irresponsible people. I was on Fab in the UK years ago and a man was infected with HIV *and* looking for bareback *and* several women felt sympathy for him *and* were fucking him. I saw this happening with other swingers, we were horrified, we felt like unleashing German Sheppards into the streets lol. The headline focus on safety and stds leaves out the fact there exist regions of the world where 20-30% of the population has lethal infectious diseases. A piece of latex isn't going to help you if you have an ongoing relationship, it's more of a lottery than taking extreme risks in countries with low disease prevalence. I'm going for a broad spectrum GUM test soon in Cork, and I think it should be everybody's civic duty to be honest. The issue is there are few incentives to do the right thing, I don't think Fab allows you to post your certs directly and governments avoid this sort of practical health measure." ()  so true  | |||
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" You're doing more testing than most and that's to your credit, but I wouldn't agree with all that. Posting certs and trusting fab to be the gatekeeper for bare sex would be a minefield. Who takes responsibility if disease does happen (which it would given time). What about people faking tests? What about the simple verbal or texted results which are common. Legal action would certainly follow after infection after following the fab cert process. Your idea that "a piece of latex isn't going to help" getting infected abroad is untrue. Condoms massively help with disease control. Pre-prep even married couples were able to prevent hiv transmission between each other in many cases by using condoms. Even with testing before and after bareback sex there can be a big lag between infection and positive testing. You or your partner could still be a disease / transmission risk even with negative results, if sex happens during the lag between infection and positive test results. " Re: gatekeeper problem, agree that is a real issue. I can only say: it should still be a solved problem because it's a technical coordination problem at heart. The organisation that ensures my dog has a license, is microchipped etc, the human signs a digital statement, it all works smoothly. In principal all you're doing is verifying the person who turns up to an approved testing centre is the same person who hold a website account. That's mostly about a digital certificate of the sort Revenue uses. As it is, I don't think medical GP notes are sorted out so yes there is a general competency problem letting us down. Re: the "piece of latex" comment, I wasn't being flip, but I do stand behind it. My comment wasn't crystal clear though, and it is mildly counter intuitive. In a nutshell: you are safer rawdogging in Ireland than using a condom in South Equatorial Africa. Obviously you should in general use condoms in every geography but the statement stands. My back of the envelope calculation reason is below. STDs are two orders of magnitude more common in the region relative to Ireland. If you look at HIV Ireland they'll say that a condom has a 90% success rate against contracting the disease per intercourse. 0.2% of the 2018 Irish population had HIV. For the same year it'll be 25% in SEA. So if you have sex with random 4 people in a SEA country, even wearing a condom, and nobody uses the antiviral, then you have a 10% risk of contracting HIV from one of those people on average. Sex with 4x people with condoms sans antivirals is a 2.5% risk. Then if you had bareback sex with 10 random people in Ireland in 2018, your risk is still 2%. So that is shocking but the math is there if you want to pick it apart. In real life of course disease spread is not random, which is why our first priority in my opinion ought to be selection criteria, then physical barrier, then an antiviral and frequent GUM testing is the cherry on top ideal. I want to point out that sex improves health enormously, so good sex is healthier for you, sometimes that is left out of the conversation. Re: your last comment on time lag and false negatives/positives, I agree entirely. The medical testing part is far more thorny than the computer certificate topic, and as you said already perfection of prevention isn't plausible not least because we don't seem to have a good solution to oral sex and STDs, for culture or technical reasons. I want to say if we actually had a general NCT for sexual health as part of a prophylactic scheme similar to Japan's Ningen Dock for overall body health it'd go pretty far to help though. | |||
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" 1) Some STD will be on the tests only after 6 weeks. So you have to do at least 2 tests before. 2) You have to do 2 tests after. 3) It’s better to do tests every 3 months if you have more than one partner, cause you can be responsible only for your actions. People lie. 4) Pills don’t give 100% safety from pregnancy. Again you can’t be sure that lady was taking it regularly for a certain period of time. 5) Condoms give the highest protection from STI and pregnancy. 2in1 You can choose non latex condoms, they are thinner. Choose the right size for your girth and sleep peacefully. " Thanks for those, there is a tendency to look at testing as a magic pill type solution but condoms should typically be chosen before testing. | |||
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" You're doing more testing than most and that's to your credit, but I wouldn't agree with all that. Posting certs and trusting fab to be the gatekeeper for bare sex would be a minefield. Who takes responsibility if disease does happen (which it would given time). What about people faking tests? What about the simple verbal or texted results which are common. Legal action would certainly follow after infection after following the fab cert process. Your idea that "a piece of latex isn't going to help" getting infected abroad is untrue. Condoms massively help with disease control. Pre-prep even married couples were able to prevent hiv transmission between each other in many cases by using condoms. Even with testing before and after bareback sex there can be a big lag between infection and positive testing. You or your partner could still be a disease / transmission risk even with negative results, if sex happens during the lag between infection and positive test results. Re: gatekeeper problem, agree that is a real issue. I can only say: it should still be a solved problem because it's a technical coordination problem at heart. The organisation that ensures my dog has a license, is microchipped etc, the human signs a digital statement, it all works smoothly. In principal all you're doing is verifying the person who turns up to an approved testing centre is the same person who hold a website account. That's mostly about a digital certificate of the sort Revenue uses. As it is, I don't think medical GP notes are sorted out so yes there is a general competency problem letting us down. Re: the "piece of latex" comment, I wasn't being flip, but I do stand behind it. My comment wasn't crystal clear though, and it is mildly counter intuitive. In a nutshell: you are safer rawdogging in Ireland than using a condom in South Equatorial Africa. Obviously you should in general use condoms in every geography but the statement stands. My back of the envelope calculation reason is below. STDs are two orders of magnitude more common in the region relative to Ireland. If you look at HIV Ireland they'll say that a condom has a 90% success rate against contracting the disease per intercourse. 0.2% of the 2018 Irish population had HIV. For the same year it'll be 25% in SEA. So if you have sex with random 4 people in a SEA country, even wearing a condom, and nobody uses the antiviral, then you have a 10% risk of contracting HIV from one of those people on average. Sex with 4x people with condoms sans antivirals is a 2.5% risk. Then if you had bareback sex with 10 random people in Ireland in 2018, your risk is still 2%. So that is shocking but the math is there if you want to pick it apart. In real life of course disease spread is not random, which is why our first priority in my opinion ought to be selection criteria, then physical barrier, then an antiviral and frequent GUM testing is the cherry on top ideal. I want to point out that sex improves health enormously, so good sex is healthier for you, sometimes that is left out of the conversation. Re: your last comment on time lag and false negatives/positives, I agree entirely. The medical testing part is far more thorny than the computer certificate topic, and as you said already perfection of prevention isn't plausible not least because we don't seem to have a good solution to oral sex and STDs, for culture or technical reasons. I want to say if we actually had a general NCT for sexual health as part of a prophylactic scheme similar to Japan's Ningen Dock for overall body health it'd go pretty far to help though. " Your figures are miles wrong with regards hiv transmission rates. https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html Look at the risk of transmission per 10,000 exposure events here. | |||
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" Your figures are miles wrong with regards hiv transmission rates. https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html Look at the risk of transmission per 10,000 exposure events here." TiL, so thank you.
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"Comparing transmission rates in Ireland to Sub Saharan Africa isn't really apple's to apples. Education and access to contraception and condoms are more accessible outside of the third world. In the context of fab the pool is much smaller and intermingling common so the risk of fast traveling outbreaks are higher Consider an STI outbreak a private club sex party. I attended such a party and didn't play as it was my first visit. A decent few people at that party came away with an sti and I got a phone call to let me know to get tested. Safe sex isn't just about prophylactics. It's about risk assessment. You can't really go wrong with condom's and avoiding oral and everyone will make a compromise or not according to their trust model." Plus one on being careful. It's also important to know the facts too. A male fabber with non-treated full blown HIV at a sex party who has unprotected vaginal sex with a woman has approx 4 in 10,000 chance of passing the disease to her and every other woman he has vaginal sex with. If he has unprotected vaginal sex with 3 women at that party then there is a 12 in 10,000 chance that someone there got infected that night. | |||
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"Comparing transmission rates in Ireland to Sub Saharan Africa isn't really apple's to apples. Education and access to contraception and condoms are more accessible outside of the third world. In the context of fab the pool is much smaller and intermingling common so the risk of fast traveling outbreaks are higher Consider an STI outbreak a private club sex party. I attended such a party and didn't play as it was my first visit. A decent few people at that party came away with an sti and I got a phone call to let me know to get tested. Safe sex isn't just about prophylactics. It's about risk assessment. You can't really go wrong with condom's and avoiding oral and everyone will make a compromise or not according to their trust model." Bit of a different subject, but sometimes left out of these discussions is that a whomping chunk of the population isn't having sex at all and the stats for the young people are... worrying honestly. | |||
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"How is possible some people looking for bareback?I understand the the pleasure is better but they have to be careful " Guys who get the snip are insistent on no condom, I meet a guy here who has a vesectomy and agree with his point, it only protects against the STI that is children  I'm always Safe Sex and still do SH:24
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"Slightly complicated. I've met a woman from another app who wanted a GUM clean bill of health so we could rawdog. That is a special circumstance of course as we're both doing a mildly PITA thing to have hotter sex later. And it was very hot, lots of creamy fun all morning and evening, she felt sensational on my cock and she could feel me cumming inside her. Tests before, after, totally clean. As I see it, if people are lazy it's a horrible idea. As a responsibility it's not so different to the woman taking the pill except both of you need to get tested. It makes sense to get a annual GUM test, same as going to the dentist, if you're sexually active. After all you can get a disease from getting a blowjob or going down on the woman and very few people use protection of any sort for those. I understand the yick factor on bareback for some people though, because there are very irresponsible people. I was on Fab in the UK years ago and a man was infected with HIV *and* looking for bareback *and* several women felt sympathy for him *and* were fucking him. I saw this happening with other swingers, we were horrified, we felt like unleashing German Sheppards into the streets lol. The headline focus on safety and stds leaves out the fact there exist regions of the world where 20-30% of the population has lethal infectious diseases. A piece of latex isn't going to help you if you have an ongoing relationship, it's more of a lottery than taking extreme risks in countries with low disease prevalence. I'm going for a broad spectrum GUM test soon in Cork, and I think it should be everybody's civic duty to be honest. The issue is there are few incentives to do the right thing, I don't think Fab allows you to post your certs directly and governments avoid this sort of practical health measure." Thank you for this information, regularly test SH24 even when not sexually active and if the choice to go ✌🏾bareback✌🏾 (I don't know why this terminology disturbs me 😳😅) consensually by both, and out patient visit together I have found best! ☺️ The GUM test is a new to me and something I'll be looking into 100%, often wondered about this and nothing more until seeing your post now. 🧐 Appreciate this info 🫡 Stay, and Play Safe 😉😊 | |||
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"How is possible some people looking for bareback?I understand the the pleasure is better but they have to be careful Guys who get the snip are insistent on no condom, I meet a guy here who has a vesectomy and agree with his point, it only protects against the STI that is children I'm always Safe Sex and still do SH:24
If I see bareback pics I avoid...."Heard quite a funny thing that had me in stitches about STDs/STIs and children 😅 Bare with me now 🫣😂 (I can hear the gasps of people reading this and saying wtf is he on about 😂😂) Personally, today I have 2 x STIs (Sexually Transmitted Indepentants) and 1 x STD (Sexually Transmitted Dependant) 👀 😅 🫣 I have 2 x adult children (Indepentant, can tale care of themselves the feckers 😂) and 1 x 15 year old (dependant, requires being helped out in life still 🤣) Hope no one takes this in bad taste, serious issue that sexual health is 🧐 Thought I would inject a little humour into this morning 😁 Goes down a treat at dinner parties 👆🏼🤣🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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"I've got no issue with you talking about your kids that way. I get it I DO have an issue with the fucking emoji explosion all over your post jesus my eyes are bleeding!" Appreciate your feedback 🧐 may I offer you some first aid assistance with your bleeding? 🏥 A tissue maybe? 👀  | |||
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