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"It's only Ireland of the welcomes if you're a tourist with a fat wallet" Too true. Now to be fair, there were things about living there pre-COVID that I dearly miss. But something has changed. I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like there's something terrible gearing up and something is about to blow. During the Bubble and the Bust things got crazy but most people showed a sense of decency... or at least enough to help an old lady get on the bus. But now... idk... wind is changed... and it's blowing from the East... | |||
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"It is very difficult to debate these issues as we truly have no idea what is going on and what is behind it all. I am sure of one thing though is that money is being made somewhere on the back of the immigration. I will also say that our public services infrastructure cannot handle the numbers we have taken in and it is all a house of cards. " There's enough money. Believe me. The only country more expensive than Ireland is Luxembourg and at least public transport in Luxembourg is FREE. It costs the taxpayer €37 a year to support the Grand Duke and his family. That's like.... 37x more than the average British taxpayers spend on King and Queen Tampax. The problem is corruption. It's impossible to make any money if you own a piece of property or have a small business but if you're in with the right crowd and your husband rubbed shoulders in the right rugby schools and drank in the right pubs and swotted with whoever was the local TD then you'd stand a better chance at succeeding through your personal connections than the poor schmucks who immigrated from Eastern Europe and the Baltics hoping to get a leg up. I don't see too many Polish or African or Asian names in the Daìl Eireann.... and maybe one or two " non-native" Irish surnames as TDs. | |||
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"It is very difficult to debate these issues as we truly have no idea what is going on and what is behind it all. I am sure of one thing though is that money is being made somewhere on the back of the immigration. I will also say that our public services infrastructure cannot handle the numbers we have taken in and it is all a house of cards. " Our public services are fucked due to our ridiculous bloated public sector job system where noone is held to account for failure. There is enough money. It's the greedy individuals and the gutless politicians that are the problem. | |||
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"It's only Ireland of the welcomes if you're a tourist with a fat wallet" This is nail on head by the way and I've been saying the same for years. There's a lot I'm proud of as Irish person, but there's also a lot (an increasingly more) that I'd feel ashamed about. | |||
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"It is very difficult to debate these issues as we truly have no idea what is going on and what is behind it all. I am sure of one thing though is that money is being made somewhere on the back of the immigration. I will also say that our public services infrastructure cannot handle the numbers we have taken in and it is all a house of cards. Our public services are fucked due to our ridiculous bloated public sector job system where noone is held to account for failure. There is enough money. It's the greedy individuals and the gutless politicians that are the problem. " Bingo. I wonder. The Redhead and I always thought that Northern Ireland couldn't possibly rejoin the Republic of Ireland. The Republic couldn't possibly afford it. You think the bureaucracy in ROI is bad? Try NI. For every post, there has to be one Catholic for every Protestant. I'd never even heard of the term "sectarianism" or even Orange marches (the guys who inspired the KKK btw) until I moved to Scotland and traveled back and forth to Ireland by ferry. Every time we got off the boat in Belfast or Larne, The Redhead would grip the steering wheel and press his foot on the accelerator until we crossed the border... that's how scared he was... but he remembered the bombings. Yet last time we were in Newry, in Armagh, in Belfast, people were lovely to us... But some parts of NI scared the beejesus outta me.. Until I saw The Falls Rolls café on Falls Road. Then I really understood the grim black Irish humour. Wow. I'd like to see the nation reunited. And Scotland to be independent. But.... not in my lifetime... | |||
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"Embarrassing scenes, hordes of scrotes given free reign to literally set their own communities on fire, encouraged by a small but loud bunch of grifters (and now some elected representatives, sadly) with very dodgy histories. In saying that it's no surprise, there's been a nicey nicey soft approach towards them over the past couple of years."  | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! " You're right, a united Ireland would be an amalgamation, not the north becoming like the south...but the biggest issues will probably be financial. The north is financially fucked without support from Westminster. A bill that would need to be funded by the republic raising taxes or lowering welfare payments. Also would you give up the NHS for the HSE? Zero chance of them voting for that in the referendum. | |||
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"The gardai have been too nice to the fuckers for too long. Glad there were arrests and liberal use of pepper spray. The dog kicker mouth piece got arrested and a nazitional party member along with a racist midget got pepper sprayed. Does anyone know the effects of pepper spray on a new hair transplant btw?" Bring out the water cannons. | |||
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"The gardai have been too nice to the fuckers for too long. Glad there were arrests and liberal use of pepper spray. The dog kicker mouth piece got arrested and a nazitional party member along with a racist midget got pepper sprayed. Does anyone know the effects of pepper spray on a new hair transplant btw?" Pepper being peppered seems appropriate. It’s strange how the dog kicker always seems to be in the middle of concerned locals despite living miles away himself. It’s time to go after this toxic individuals whose only purpose in life is to sow fear and hatred. | |||
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"The gardai have been too nice to the fuckers for too long. Glad there were arrests and liberal use of pepper spray. The dog kicker mouth piece got arrested and a nazitional party member along with a racist midget got pepper sprayed. Does anyone know the effects of pepper spray on a new hair transplant btw?" What really surprised me were the images of the balaclavas. Aren't they supposed to be illegal to wear or was that law phased out? | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! You're right, a united Ireland would be an amalgamation, not the north becoming like the south...but the biggest issues will probably be financial. The north is financially fucked without support from Westminster. A bill that would need to be funded by the republic raising taxes or lowering welfare payments. Also would you give up the NHS for the HSE? Zero chance of them voting for that in the referendum." To be fair, the NHS in the north is fucked and getting worse. The sláintecare model as agreed by the Oireachtas is the way forward. | |||
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"The gardai have been too nice to the fuckers for too long. Glad there were arrests and liberal use of pepper spray. The dog kicker mouth piece got arrested and a nazitional party member along with a racist midget got pepper sprayed. Does anyone know the effects of pepper spray on a new hair transplant btw? Pepper being peppered seems appropriate. It’s strange how the dog kicker always seems to be in the middle of concerned locals despite living miles away himself. It’s time to go after this toxic individuals whose only purpose in life is to sow fear and hatred. " He doesn't work. He's well plugged into the telegram groups this sort use and well connected to the lads they have on the ground i.e. the camp these wankers set up out crown paints that they were protesting outside of. | |||
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"The gardai have been too nice to the fuckers for too long. Glad there were arrests and liberal use of pepper spray. The dog kicker mouth piece got arrested and a nazitional party member along with a racist midget got pepper sprayed. Does anyone know the effects of pepper spray on a new hair transplant btw? What really surprised me were the images of the balaclavas. Aren't they supposed to be illegal to wear or was that law phased out?" Not sure but they was laws being bought in to stop masks being worn at protests. | |||
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"The gardai have been too nice to the fuckers for too long. Glad there were arrests and liberal use of pepper spray. The dog kicker mouth piece got arrested and a nazitional party member along with a racist midget got pepper sprayed. Does anyone know the effects of pepper spray on a new hair transplant btw? Bring out the water cannons. " It's odd because they had no issues with using force during the water protests and I'm nearly sure water cannons were used during them. Rather they used the pepper spray anyway. Nasty stuff especially if you don't have milk or eye wash to hand. | |||
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"The gardai have been too nice to the fuckers for too long. Glad there were arrests and liberal use of pepper spray. The dog kicker mouth piece got arrested and a nazitional party member along with a racist midget got pepper sprayed. Does anyone know the effects of pepper spray on a new hair transplant btw? Bring out the water cannons. " They use it in Canada...a former PM got into hot water for making a joke about it when he said he used pepper as a spice when protests in BC got violent... but then again Jean Chrétien was a bit of a prat. Don't think much of Trudeau. Not a patch on his dad. Pierre Elliott Trudeau was the best PM. Unless you were a First Nations person, of course... | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! You're right, a united Ireland would be an amalgamation, not the north becoming like the south...but the biggest issues will probably be financial. The north is financially fucked without support from Westminster. A bill that would need to be funded by the republic raising taxes or lowering welfare payments. Also would you give up the NHS for the HSE? Zero chance of them voting for that in the referendum. To be fair, the NHS in the north is fucked and getting worse. The sláintecare model as agreed by the Oireachtas is the way forward. " Really? It's been awhile for me of course but I found the HSE in Scotland wasn't so bad. Of course, when we re-located back to Ireland we were forced to use a private insurer... a lot like in the US. I gave birth in Holles St. The shittiest week of my life. If there's one thing Ireland desperately needs is to get the RC Church OUT of schools and hospitals and lure all the midwives back from the continent with better salaries. Last time I was at the KannerKlinik bus stop near the Maternity Hospital all I heard were Irish accents... | |||
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"The gardai have been too nice to the fuckers for too long. Glad there were arrests and liberal use of pepper spray. The dog kicker mouth piece got arrested and a nazitional party member along with a racist midget got pepper sprayed. Does anyone know the effects of pepper spray on a new hair transplant btw? What really surprised me were the images of the balaclavas. Aren't they supposed to be illegal to wear or was that law phased out? Not sure but they was laws being bought in to stop masks being worn at protests. " I thought balaclavas were made illegal to be worn because traditionally they were worn by IRA men at funerals. Of course, back in Canada balaclavas were worn so your ears wouldn't freeze in -50 weather in Winnipeg or -25 + windchill in Montréal. | |||
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"Its all the unvetted military aged men coming over here and getting social welfare payments that did it " Plenty military aged irish guys here that you wouldn't give a hurley to, not to mind guns 
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"The gardai have been too nice to the fuckers for too long. Glad there were arrests and liberal use of pepper spray. The dog kicker mouth piece got arrested and a nazitional party member along with a racist midget got pepper sprayed. Does anyone know the effects of pepper spray on a new hair transplant btw? What really surprised me were the images of the balaclavas. Aren't they supposed to be illegal to wear or was that law phased out? Not sure but they was laws being bought in to stop masks being worn at protests. I thought balaclavas were made illegal to be worn because traditionally they were worn by IRA men at funerals. Of course, back in Canada balaclavas were worn so your ears wouldn't freeze in -50 weather in Winnipeg or -25 + windchill in Montréal." If they are it's been relaxed over the years. I know bikers that wear them under their helmets in the winter. I see scrotes wearing them on the regular as well. If there is a law there it's not enforced. | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! You're right, a united Ireland would be an amalgamation, not the north becoming like the south...but the biggest issues will probably be financial. The north is financially fucked without support from Westminster. A bill that would need to be funded by the republic raising taxes or lowering welfare payments. Also would you give up the NHS for the HSE? Zero chance of them voting for that in the referendum. To be fair, the NHS in the north is fucked and getting worse. The sláintecare model as agreed by the Oireachtas is the way forward. Really? It's been awhile for me of course but I found the HSE in Scotland wasn't so bad. Of course, when we re-located back to Ireland we were forced to use a private insurer... a lot like in the US. I gave birth in Holles St. The shittiest week of my life. If there's one thing Ireland desperately needs is to get the RC Church OUT of schools and hospitals and lure all the midwives back from the continent with better salaries. Last time I was at the KannerKlinik bus stop near the Maternity Hospital all I heard were Irish accents... " It's too late for better salaries. The extra money is just being swallowed by ever increasing rents. More social and affordable housing is needed to take the people with HAP payments out of the system and ease the pressure on rents. This requires a huge investment in such housing, like we did back in the 1930s and '50s. Market forces will never achieve this. | |||
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"The gardai have been too nice to the fuckers for too long. Glad there were arrests and liberal use of pepper spray. The dog kicker mouth piece got arrested and a nazitional party member along with a racist midget got pepper sprayed. Does anyone know the effects of pepper spray on a new hair transplant btw? Pepper being peppered seems appropriate. It’s strange how the dog kicker always seems to be in the middle of concerned locals despite living miles away himself. It’s time to go after this toxic individuals whose only purpose in life is to sow fear and hatred. He doesn't work. He's well plugged into the telegram groups this sort use and well connected to the lads they have on the ground i.e. the camp these wankers set up out crown paints that they were protesting outside of. " I know exactly how he, and his ilk, operate. The authorities really need to start following the money.Members of BNP turning up in Coolock tells its own story. Blighe despite, as you say, being unemployed can travel the country spreading his bile. Maybe he has a bus pass. The documentary on RTE last night on the local elections showed MrsSteenson up for what she is. Unfortunately the opportunity to cut their oxygen off at source was missed over a decade ago. Instead we now find ourselves in a situation where we are reactive rather than proactive. It allows for the spread of misinformation. They need to be challenged before it is too late. | |||
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"The gardai have been too nice to the fuckers for too long. Glad there were arrests and liberal use of pepper spray. The dog kicker mouth piece got arrested and a nazitional party member along with a racist midget got pepper sprayed. Does anyone know the effects of pepper spray on a new hair transplant btw? Pepper being peppered seems appropriate. It’s strange how the dog kicker always seems to be in the middle of concerned locals despite living miles away himself. It’s time to go after this toxic individuals whose only purpose in life is to sow fear and hatred. He doesn't work. He's well plugged into the telegram groups this sort use and well connected to the lads they have on the ground i.e. the camp these wankers set up out crown paints that they were protesting outside of. I know exactly how he, and his ilk, operate. The authorities really need to start following the money.Members of BNP turning up in Coolock tells its own story. Blighe despite, as you say, being unemployed can travel the country spreading his bile. Maybe he has a bus pass. The documentary on RTE last night on the local elections showed MrsSteenson up for what she is. Unfortunately the opportunity to cut their oxygen off at source was missed over a decade ago. Instead we now find ourselves in a situation where we are reactive rather than proactive. It allows for the spread of misinformation. They need to be challenged before it is too late. " Steenson isn't as squeaky clean as he makes out. He marched with the concerned parents against drugs in the 80s while directing and supporting the pushers he was supposely marching against. Bligh gets money off his supporters as no one with hire him in his trade anymore. I agree that this should have been cut off at the knees years ago and we have drew Harris to thank for the fact it wasn't. | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! " These are things for discussion. I haven't yet heard one unionist suggest that dropping either one would make a difference to them. By the way, purple who identify as protestant in the north make up 37% of the population with catholics making up 42‰. If you broaden it out to include people of a protestant/catholic background, those figures both increase slightly. However, given the current trend in population change, somewhere after 2028 and before 2030, catholics will be in an overall majority for the first time in the history of the northern state, and this majority will increase at greater speed as time goes on. If unionism wants to have any serious impact on the future shape of society in Ireland they'd want to start talking about it pretty soon. | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! These are things for discussion. I haven't yet heard one unionist suggest that dropping either one would make a difference to them. By the way, purple who identify as protestant in the north make up 37% of the population with catholics making up 42‰. If you broaden it out to include people of a protestant/catholic background, those figures both increase slightly. However, given the current trend in population change, somewhere after 2028 and before 2030, catholics will be in an overall majority for the first time in the history of the northern state, and this majority will increase at greater speed as time goes on. If unionism wants to have any serious impact on the future shape of society in Ireland they'd want to start talking about it pretty soon. " Is there an assumption there though that all Catholics in NI are in favour of a United Ireland? Because that's certainly not the case. | |||
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" The Republic couldn't possibly afford it. You think the bureaucracy in ROI is bad? Try NI. For every post, there has to be one Catholic for every Protestant. " This is incorrect | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! These are things for discussion. I haven't yet heard one unionist suggest that dropping either one would make a difference to them. By the way, purple who identify as protestant in the north make up 37% of the population with catholics making up 42‰. If you broaden it out to include people of a protestant/catholic background, those figures both increase slightly. However, given the current trend in population change, somewhere after 2028 and before 2030, catholics will be in an overall majority for the first time in the history of the northern state, and this majority will increase at greater speed as time goes on. If unionism wants to have any serious impact on the future shape of society in Ireland they'd want to start talking about it pretty soon. Is there an assumption there though that all Catholics in NI are in favour of a United Ireland? Because that's certainly not the case." Tbh nobody in my social circle has any drive or inclination towards a 32 county state. I think Ireland and N.Ireland have their own unique identities at this point. I think alot of cross border activities could be improved but full on reunification doesn't seem feisable or even appealing to me | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! These are things for discussion. I haven't yet heard one unionist suggest that dropping either one would make a difference to them. By the way, purple who identify as protestant in the north make up 37% of the population with catholics making up 42‰. If you broaden it out to include people of a protestant/catholic background, those figures both increase slightly. However, given the current trend in population change, somewhere after 2028 and before 2030, catholics will be in an overall majority for the first time in the history of the northern state, and this majority will increase at greater speed as time goes on. If unionism wants to have any serious impact on the future shape of society in Ireland they'd want to start talking about it pretty soon. Is there an assumption there though that all Catholics in NI are in favour of a United Ireland? Because that's certainly not the case." None whatsoever. The vast majority are though, and that's the key point. It's also worth pointing out that if unionism had run a more inclusive state for all those decades that they had single party rule then things would not be as certain as they are currently shaping up to be. The most recent pushing for brexit, objections to any mention of the irish language and the debacle around Casement park only serve to drive more catholic unionists away. | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! These are things for discussion. I haven't yet heard one unionist suggest that dropping either one would make a difference to them. By the way, purple who identify as protestant in the north make up 37% of the population with catholics making up 42‰. If you broaden it out to include people of a protestant/catholic background, those figures both increase slightly. However, given the current trend in population change, somewhere after 2028 and before 2030, catholics will be in an overall majority for the first time in the history of the northern state, and this majority will increase at greater speed as time goes on. If unionism wants to have any serious impact on the future shape of society in Ireland they'd want to start talking about it pretty soon. Is there an assumption there though that all Catholics in NI are in favour of a United Ireland? Because that's certainly not the case. Tbh nobody in my social circle has any drive or inclination towards a 32 county state. I think Ireland and N.Ireland have their own unique identities at this point. I think alot of cross border activities could be improved but full on reunification doesn't seem feisable or even appealing to me" There's bigger cultural differences between Leitrim and Dublin than between north and south. I'm in Belfast regularly and feel more at home there than I do when I'm in Kildare. I'm not sure why you suggest it's not feasible.. Have a look at some of the studies by the likes of professor Brendan O'Leary and professor John Doyle. | |||
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" The Republic couldn't possibly afford it. You think the bureaucracy in ROI is bad? Try NI. For every post, there has to be one Catholic for every Protestant. This is incorrect " Maybe I have the wrong information, after all I'm not British or Irish but my understanding was that at any level of government (local, county or federal) for every Protestant working in the public sector, you had to have a Catholic doing the same job because for decades both hated working together and insisted on separate posts... hence the bloated bureaucracy built over the years although I'd imagine that a decade of Thatcherism would have cut down a lot of much needed public sector work in NI... Then after the Good Friday Agreement and Stormont being run by both Paisley and McGuinness AKA "The Chuckle Brothers" as nicknamed, people seemingly tried to get on with their lives on both sides of the border but the bureaucrats remained... Then Brexit happened... And a lot of other unpleasant stuff like that vile DUP woman Arlene Foster spouting sectarian nonsense and effectively paralysing NI politics to a standstill, I don't know how things will evolve north of the border. It's telling that there are still farms straddling the border with entrances on both sides and there's still a lot of gang violence and drugs on both sides - some backed by Russians and some just post-post-post Provo or some weird iteration of the IRA and ultra right wing Ulster nationalist enclaves that have dug their heels in... I'd need a year to study the inner workings of border politics... small wonder the Gardaí and members of the Irish Armed Forces are specially chosen to work in places like the Balkans or the Levant... decades of religious conflict give one a more effective framework to understand the internecine warfare between say... Serbia and Kosovo or the Jordanians, the Syrians, The Lebanese, The Israelis and the Palestinians of course... That's why no one should ever screw with the Gardaí... their job is tough enough without having to deal with the aforementioned scrotes stirring anti immigrant sentiment... | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! These are things for discussion. I haven't yet heard one unionist suggest that dropping either one would make a difference to them. By the way, purple who identify as protestant in the north make up 37% of the population with catholics making up 42‰. If you broaden it out to include people of a protestant/catholic background, those figures both increase slightly. However, given the current trend in population change, somewhere after 2028 and before 2030, catholics will be in an overall majority for the first time in the history of the northern state, and this majority will increase at greater speed as time goes on. If unionism wants to have any serious impact on the future shape of society in Ireland they'd want to start talking about it pretty soon. Is there an assumption there though that all Catholics in NI are in favour of a United Ireland? Because that's certainly not the case. None whatsoever. The vast majority are though, and that's the key point. It's also worth pointing out that if unionism had run a more inclusive state for all those decades that they had single party rule then things would not be as certain as they are currently shaping up to be. The most recent pushing for brexit, objections to any mention of the irish language and the debacle around Casement park only serve to drive more catholic unionists away. " I think honestly it'll be down to money in people's pockets Mick. The sheer volume of people employed in the Civil Service, the NHS, the Education Boards and other government departments will have much skin in the game. National Insurance paid. Pensions. Free prescriptions and access to NHS services. I totally agree re exclusionary unionism btw. And that extends beyond unionist Catholics. Moderate Protestant unionists have no appetite for the divisive politics and religious fervour of the DUP and TUV either. | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! These are things for discussion. I haven't yet heard one unionist suggest that dropping either one would make a difference to them. By the way, purple who identify as protestant in the north make up 37% of the population with catholics making up 42‰. If you broaden it out to include people of a protestant/catholic background, those figures both increase slightly. However, given the current trend in population change, somewhere after 2028 and before 2030, catholics will be in an overall majority for the first time in the history of the northern state, and this majority will increase at greater speed as time goes on. If unionism wants to have any serious impact on the future shape of society in Ireland they'd want to start talking about it pretty soon. Is there an assumption there though that all Catholics in NI are in favour of a United Ireland? Because that's certainly not the case. Tbh nobody in my social circle has any drive or inclination towards a 32 county state. I think Ireland and N.Ireland have their own unique identities at this point. I think alot of cross border activities could be improved but full on reunification doesn't seem feisable or even appealing to me There's bigger cultural differences between Leitrim and Dublin than between north and south. I'm in Belfast regularly and feel more at home there than I do when I'm in Kildare. I'm not sure why you suggest it's not feasible.. Have a look at some of the studies by the likes of professor Brendan O'Leary and professor John Doyle. " I'll be honest I haven't read reports on it. My suggestion as to the feisability of it is wrong my perceived lack of desire from the people in my peer group. As well as the logistical issues things like school structures and syllabus, public sector work and pay, the health care system, public holidays etc... I'm sure some would be easily fixed and some would need work (I've little faith in either goverments ability to do either) But at the end of the day it's a big body of work. And I don't know how much appetite the average Irish person has for it when it's all laid out. Maybe I'm just surrounded by particularly unpatriotic Irish people I dunno, | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! These are things for discussion. I haven't yet heard one unionist suggest that dropping either one would make a difference to them. By the way, purple who identify as protestant in the north make up 37% of the population with catholics making up 42‰. If you broaden it out to include people of a protestant/catholic background, those figures both increase slightly. However, given the current trend in population change, somewhere after 2028 and before 2030, catholics will be in an overall majority for the first time in the history of the northern state, and this majority will increase at greater speed as time goes on. If unionism wants to have any serious impact on the future shape of society in Ireland they'd want to start talking about it pretty soon. Is there an assumption there though that all Catholics in NI are in favour of a United Ireland? Because that's certainly not the case. Tbh nobody in my social circle has any drive or inclination towards a 32 county state. I think Ireland and N.Ireland have their own unique identities at this point. I think alot of cross border activities could be improved but full on reunification doesn't seem feisable or even appealing to me There's bigger cultural differences between Leitrim and Dublin than between north and south. I'm in Belfast regularly and feel more at home there than I do when I'm in Kildare. I'm not sure why you suggest it's not feasible.. Have a look at some of the studies by the likes of professor Brendan O'Leary and professor John Doyle. I'll be honest I haven't read reports on it. My suggestion as to the feisability of it is wrong my perceived lack of desire from the people in my peer group. As well as the logistical issues things like school structures and syllabus, public sector work and pay, the health care system, public holidays etc... I'm sure some would be easily fixed and some would need work (I've little faith in either goverments ability to do either) But at the end of the day it's a big body of work. And I don't know how much appetite the average Irish person has for it when it's all laid out. Maybe I'm just surrounded by particularly unpatriotic Irish people I dunno, " I for one have zero interest in a united Ireland. | |||
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"It is unfortunately a growing trend and not just in Ireland. People have been failed by a system, become embittered and immigrants and refugees are the easiest target to identify and vent towards explain failed by the system " On a macro level late stage failure of capitalism. The gap between the have and the have nots ever expanding. Specifically in Ireland at this current time the cost of living and housing crisis. Now don't get me wrong those people are fucking morons, but they are fucking mornons thay become ripe for exploitation by the far right because of the above factors, and the terrible handling of the refugee situation by Ireland and the EU. | |||
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"It is unfortunately a growing trend and not just in Ireland. People have been failed by a system, become embittered and immigrants and refugees are the easiest target to identify and vent towards explain failed by the system They see record amounts of homeless people every month so blame the immigrants for taking all the accommodation and not the councils and government policies that help create the homelessness in the first place The see crime figures off the wall and when its a non national they riot When its a person born here they don't " I agree bog and I am in no way excusing it. But there is also a reason it's on the rise across Europe at the moment | |||
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"It is unfortunately a growing trend and not just in Ireland. People have been failed by a system, become embittered and immigrants and refugees are the easiest target to identify and vent towards explain failed by the system They see record amounts of homeless people every month so blame the immigrants for taking all the accommodation and not the councils and government policies that help create the homelessness in the first place The see crime figures off the wall and when its a non national they riot When its a person born here they don't I agree bog and I am in no way excusing it. But there is also a reason it's on the rise across Europe at the moment There is a bigger issue at societal level, right down to families and what they've become accustomed to. In some families and parts of society, idleness and being welfare dependant have been totally normalised as a way of life. A lot of these angry people don't like immigrants/refugees coming in and then living the same lifestyle. They think they're better than them. Anybody in the Dublin region that complains about lack of opportunities, money or work should be ignored in my opinion. There is an abundance of all in Dublin, if you want it. These people just don't like being in the same "category" as refugees." You can't just ignore them though. As you said it's generational learned behaviour, those people need to be reintegrated and the welfare chain broken. Easier said than done, but ignoring them will just increase the problem | |||
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"How can you unite a country when there is no chance of uniting its people. For example would the republic be willing to drop the national anthem and tricolor to accommodate the union believers up north? By sides have to compromise but sentiment in the south is that the north would be joining Ireland. That is not uniting people! These are things for discussion. I haven't yet heard one unionist suggest that dropping either one would make a difference to them. By the way, purple who identify as protestant in the north make up 37% of the population with catholics making up 42‰. If you broaden it out to include people of a protestant/catholic background, those figures both increase slightly. However, given the current trend in population change, somewhere after 2028 and before 2030, catholics will be in an overall majority for the first time in the history of the northern state, and this majority will increase at greater speed as time goes on. If unionism wants to have any serious impact on the future shape of society in Ireland they'd want to start talking about it pretty soon. Is there an assumption there though that all Catholics in NI are in favour of a United Ireland? Because that's certainly not the case. None whatsoever. The vast majority are though, and that's the key point. It's also worth pointing out that if unionism had run a more inclusive state for all those decades that they had single party rule then things would not be as certain as they are currently shaping up to be. The most recent pushing for brexit, objections to any mention of the irish language and the debacle around Casement park only serve to drive more catholic unionists away. I think honestly it'll be down to money in people's pockets Mick. The sheer volume of people employed in the Civil Service, the NHS, the Education Boards and other government departments will have much skin in the game. National Insurance paid. Pensions. Free prescriptions and access to NHS services. I totally agree re exclusionary unionism btw. And that extends beyond unionist Catholics. Moderate Protestant unionists have no appetite for the divisive politics and religious fervour of the DUP and TUV either. " Money in pocket will be the key. Wages in all sectors is much higher south of the border but this is cancelled out to a fair extent, although not fully, by cost of living issues. The wage gap is only going in one direction though. The NHS isn't much of an attraction other than on paper. Waiting lists are now a big thing north of the border, and growing. For many procedures, waiting lists in the north are even longer than in the south. Have a look for the chair of the British Medical Association NI and his comparisons between the two health services. It's not good news for either. The pensions thing is a red herring. No government has ever walked away from providing pensions to people who have paid for them in any similar negotiations so there's no need to believe that a future British government would. Wallace Thompson, one of the founders of the DUP has said recently that unionists need to start looking at the realities and whether they like it or not, change is happening, and soon. | |||
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"I think people can have their opinions about immigration and government policies. But if you go to these protests, harass refugees and migrants and chant things like "get them out" at them, you're a garbage human being. Those people have no control over the policies, and are desperate for any shelter they can get or are offered. They are people just looking for a better life for themselves. Doesn't matter if you don't think their home situation is bad enough. You can't blame them for trying to better their lives by whatever means possible. They don't deserve to the the ones targeted by these protests. People are also too afraid to acknowledge racism where it occurs. Black and brown migrants are being treated as less deserving and more dangerous than white migrants. The "military age men" line shows how many people think these mens lives are disposable, and they are not entitled to safety or to flee violence. Something I don't agree with at all. Refugees and migrants are being scapegoated for a lot of preexisting issues we were facing before the migrants numbers increased. A lot of valid issues are being used as a mask by groups who would want them out even if we didn't have a housing crisis or accomodation issues. People seem to forget anti-refugee protests have been occuring for the last 30 years. " Excellent post. | |||
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"I think people can have their opinions about immigration and government policies. But if you go to these protests, harass refugees and migrants and chant things like "get them out" at them, you're a garbage human being. Those people have no control over the policies, and are desperate for any shelter they can get or are offered. They are people just looking for a better life for themselves. Doesn't matter if you don't think their home situation is bad enough. You can't blame them for trying to better their lives by whatever means possible. They don't deserve to the the ones targeted by these protests. People are also too afraid to acknowledge racism where it occurs. Black and brown migrants are being treated as less deserving and more dangerous than white migrants. The "military age men" line shows how many people think these mens lives are disposable, and they are not entitled to safety or to flee violence. Something I don't agree with at all. Refugees and migrants are being scapegoated for a lot of preexisting issues we were facing before the migrants numbers increased. A lot of valid issues are being used as a mask by groups who would want them out even if we didn't have a housing crisis or accomodation issues. People seem to forget anti-refugee protests have been occuring for the last 30 years. Excellent post. " I see the same sentiment here on the continent and it's rising, especially in rural parts of France, BENELUX, Germany and further east. Then there are articles written in El País, Le Monde and other continental media outlets reporting on protests against tourism. The tourists driving the locals away from city centres: places like Barcelona, Venice and Lisbon where there's a fistfight between the locals who complain about the tourists coming from wherever and making a mess, driving the price of housing and the only ones benefittingfrom the tourism are big travel and hotel and cruise chains and restaurants. In fact, in Amsterdam, cruise ships have been banned from docking there for obvious reasons and apparently Barcelona is following suit next year. It's a global trend. It's even happening in Ireland where some suburbs of high pressure accommodation have clamped down in the past two years because rich tourists like the so-called "authentic Irish experience" and rent homes at disproportionately high daily rates and leaving a big gap between affordable housing in a major city, like Dublin, or Belfast, London or Barcelona or wherever and the trickle-down effect harms the social fabric. Now... twas ever thus. When AirBnB was first launched in 2008, there were stories about elderly ladies in listed buildings in Manhattan making a fortune renting out their apartments to tourists. This has since been clamped down but regardless, many countries, including Ireland have a significant tourism industry and yet most of the benefactors of the profits for this are the major hotel and travel chain companies - booking dot com, Ryanair,etc and meanwhile the poor schmucks working as pilots or flight attendants or hotel managers or bartenders work crazy long hours meanwhile the Michael O'Leary-types make a killing from cheap holiday packages. You see? Actually bartenders in Ireland are a protected class... unlike the rest of the world but you get my point. It cuts both ways. | |||
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"What I could not understand why there was over 50 garda plus public order unit and 3 or 4 garda cards are damaged and one set on fire There is a serious issue going on between Commissioner Harris and ordinary garda. To soft on these so call protectors. Do the authorities have to wait until someone is killed before they get serious about dealing with this issue" 2 men already dead because of the effects of the protests The canal in Dublin looks like a building site with the fencing blocking tents from being set up So 2 men pitched their tents on the opposite side with very little space and both drowned last week Its all connected | |||
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"What I could not understand why there was over 50 garda plus public order unit and 3 or 4 garda cards are damaged and one set on fire There is a serious issue going on between Commissioner Harris and ordinary garda. To soft on these so call protectors. Do the authorities have to wait until someone is killed before they get serious about dealing with this issue 2 men already dead because of the effects of the protests The canal in Dublin looks like a building site with the fencing blocking tents from being set up So 2 men pitched their tents on the opposite side with very little space and both drowned last week Its all connected " 
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" You can't just ignore them though. As you said it's generational learned behaviour, those people need to be reintegrated and the welfare chain broken. Easier said than done, but ignoring them will just increase the problem " Breaking down the welfare normality should be a priority for any government. Another thing I've seen mentioned on this, is that the government is just putting refugees into already "disadvantaged" areas. This is just not true. Whether it be direct provision, or Ukranians, they've been spread out across the country. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 16/07/24 19:57:29]" Congratulations you found an Immigrant who committed a crime. Kick them all out. We should probably disband our defense forces and get all them to leave the country too | |||
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"theres another 63..... https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41437942.html" Fuck I hope no irish commit crimes in Oz or America we will be swamped with returning military aged men | |||
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"pepper spraying old folks and battering people walking home from work for nothing" I'm sure the innocent bystanders got pepper sprayed or baton charged for nothing alright | |||
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"anyway.... hopefully 500 to 1000 men from who knows (80 percent have no passports) will move into your area soon and you will welcome them with open arms" Honestly I'll take them over the people harassing them any day | |||
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"pepper spraying old folks and battering people walking home from work for nothing I'm sure the innocent bystanders got pepper sprayed or baton charged for nothing alright "it happened | |||
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"Scum out blocking the malahide road tonight forcing cars to turn around and causing ordinary decent people the inconvenience and hassle after a days work " garda again,you cant bring them anywhere  | |||
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"anyway.... hopefully 500 to 1000 men from who knows (80 percent have no passports) will move into your area soon and you will welcome them with open arms" No doubt they will be better neighbours than the small minded bigots trying to convince Irish people they are in danger. | |||
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"anyway.... hopefully 500 to 1000 men from who knows (80 percent have no passports) will move into your area soon and you will welcome them with open arms No doubt they will be better neighbours than the small minded bigots trying to convince Irish people they are in danger." how do you know they wont be in danger? | |||
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"anyway.... hopefully 500 to 1000 men from who knows (80 percent have no passports) will move into your area soon and you will welcome them with open arms" Well it was 550 in this case. And it was a mix of men, women & children. And 80% of IPAS applicants are not just being let run free in the country without security checks. None of this matters to you though because you'll read some sort of bollocks from the aforementioned grifters and run with it. | |||
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"anyway.... hopefully 500 to 1000 men from who knows (80 percent have no passports) will move into your area soon and you will welcome them with open arms No doubt they will be better neighbours than the small minded bigots trying to convince Irish people they are in danger. how do you know they wont be in danger?" There's no point in debating an issue like this with someone who already has their mind made up. They are welcome to stay up late worrying about bogeymen and scaremongering all they like. At the end of the day it's the people that sow hatred, fear and distrust that do the most damage in communities. | |||
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"anyway.... hopefully 500 to 1000 men from who knows (80 percent have no passports) will move into your area soon and you will welcome them with open arms Well it was 550 in this case. And it was a mix of men, women & children. And 80% of IPAS applicants are not just being let run free in the country without security checks. None of this matters to you though because you'll read some sort of bollocks from the aforementioned grifters and run with it. " 85% my bad | |||
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"anyway.... hopefully 500 to 1000 men from who knows (80 percent have no passports) will move into your area soon and you will welcome them with open arms Well it was 550 in this case. And it was a mix of men, women & children. And 80% of IPAS applicants are not just being let run free in the country without security checks. None of this matters to you though because you'll read some sort of bollocks from the aforementioned grifters and run with it. 85% my bad" Your humour is as impressive as your fact checking | |||
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"anyway.... hopefully 500 to 1000 men from who knows (80 percent have no passports) will move into your area soon and you will welcome them with open arms No doubt they will be better neighbours than the small minded bigots trying to convince Irish people they are in danger. how do you know they wont be in danger? There's no point in debating an issue like this with someone who already has their mind made up. They are welcome to stay up late worrying about bogeymen and scaremongering all they like. At the end of the day it's the people that sow hatred, fear and distrust that do the most damage in communities. " no point debating lol you are a very dangerous man. its the all welcome brigade or the highway is it? | |||
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"You do realise what it's costing us tax payers every week to house these fake asylum seekers. The damage its doing to our tourist industry. The no background checks on these men coming in with no documents. The fact that they are arriving from a different culture that doesn't match our own western easy going way of living. Look around Europe and the problems they have caused. We're a tiny nation that can't take this amount of people coming into our country. People look at this with rose tinted glasses. The people in coolock should have the right to protest against this. This government is destroying our beautiful country." So the people of Coolock have a right to chase foreigners down to abuse and assault them (the people who had camped outside the site done this Sunday or Monday morning) set fire to heavy machinery (done on Monday morning) break into the site and burn mattresses (again done Monday morning) assault security guards (Monday morning) throw projectiles at gardai (Monday afternoon and evening) assault other locals who didn't want their property such as bins and cars destroyed (Monday evening) get businesses to close due to the "protest" (several businesses including supermarkets had to close their doors) Set fire to Garda vehicles (done Monday evening) Stop people trying to get home from work (several cars were stopped as well as buses were stopped by the protestors) All this is protest? Looks to me like it's scumbag racists stoking on a group of young lads. And that's been caught btw the racists directing traffic | |||
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"You do realise what it's costing us tax payers every week to house these fake asylum seekers. The damage its doing to our tourist industry. The no background checks on these men coming in with no documents. The fact that they are arriving from a different culture that doesn't match our own western easy going way of living. Look around Europe and the problems they have caused. We're a tiny nation that can't take this amount of people coming into our country. People look at this with rose tinted glasses. The people in coolock should have the right to protest against this. This government is destroying our beautiful country. So the people of Coolock have a right to chase foreigners down to abuse and assault them (the people who had camped outside the site done this Sunday or Monday morning) set fire to heavy machinery (done on Monday morning) break into the site and burn mattresses (again done Monday morning) assault security guards (Monday morning) throw projectiles at gardai (Monday afternoon and evening) assault other locals who didn't want their property such as bins and cars destroyed (Monday evening) get businesses to close due to the "protest" (several businesses including supermarkets had to close their doors) Set fire to Garda vehicles (done Monday evening) Stop people trying to get home from work (several cars were stopped as well as buses were stopped by the protestors) All this is protest? Looks to me like it's scumbag racists stoking on a group of young lads. And that's been caught btw the racists directing traffic" This is the result of the government failing to interact with the local community. We have seen the same thing in Tipperary, Wexford, Galway, Limerick, Cork. When they constantly push people into a corner this is the result. Over 80% of the country has said we have taken in to many. Services already stretched, shortage of housing, doctors, a healthcare system in shambles. These people should be deported on the next flight if they arrive with no documents. Instead we house, feed, clothed them and give them pocket money. Enough is enough. Let me ask you a question. How many is enough for you? | |||
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"You do realise what it's costing us tax payers every week to house these fake asylum seekers. The damage its doing to our tourist industry. The no background checks on these men coming in with no documents. The fact that they are arriving from a different culture that doesn't match our own western easy going way of living. Look around Europe and the problems they have caused. We're a tiny nation that can't take this amount of people coming into our country. People look at this with rose tinted glasses. The people in coolock should have the right to protest against this. This government is destroying our beautiful country. So the people of Coolock have a right to chase foreigners down to abuse and assault them (the people who had camped outside the site done this Sunday or Monday morning) set fire to heavy machinery (done on Monday morning) break into the site and burn mattresses (again done Monday morning) assault security guards (Monday morning) throw projectiles at gardai (Monday afternoon and evening) assault other locals who didn't want their property such as bins and cars destroyed (Monday evening) get businesses to close due to the "protest" (several businesses including supermarkets had to close their doors) Set fire to Garda vehicles (done Monday evening) Stop people trying to get home from work (several cars were stopped as well as buses were stopped by the protestors) All this is protest? Looks to me like it's scumbag racists stoking on a group of young lads. And that's been caught btw the racists directing traffic This is the result of the government failing to interact with the local community. We have seen the same thing in Tipperary, Wexford, Galway, Limerick, Cork. When they constantly push people into a corner this is the result. Over 80% of the country has said we have taken in to many. Services already stretched, shortage of housing, doctors, a healthcare system in shambles. These people should be deported on the next flight if they arrive with no documents. Instead we house, feed, clothed them and give them pocket money. Enough is enough. Let me ask you a question. How many is enough for you? The problems you have raised in your post are the result of an inept government cutting funding and not doing as their constituents want. Not the asylum seekers fault. The people who want you to think it's the asylum seekers fault are the ones making money from this. They see the likes of Tommy Robinson making a mint from his shite and think oh he doesn't have to work and makes all this money so I'll do that. It's a hateful narrative aimed at punching down on the lesser fortunate"These people ain't genuine. The government even admitted this. They are economic migrants. They need to be deported. They are breaking the law entering the country without documentation. Yet we reward them. And your right this is all down to this government. They need to go, but the problem is we have no one to replace them. But I'll ask you the question again. How many should we let in before you say we're full? | |||
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"You do realise what it's costing us tax payers every week to house these fake asylum seekers. The damage its doing to our tourist industry. The no background checks on these men coming in with no documents. The fact that they are arriving from a different culture that doesn't match our own western easy going way of living. Look around Europe and the problems they have caused. We're a tiny nation that can't take this amount of people coming into our country. People look at this with rose tinted glasses. The people in coolock should have the right to protest against this. This government is destroying our beautiful country. So the people of Coolock have a right to chase foreigners down to abuse and assault them (the people who had camped outside the site done this Sunday or Monday morning) set fire to heavy machinery (done on Monday morning) break into the site and burn mattresses (again done Monday morning) assault security guards (Monday morning) throw projectiles at gardai (Monday afternoon and evening) assault other locals who didn't want their property such as bins and cars destroyed (Monday evening) get businesses to close due to the "protest" (several businesses including supermarkets had to close their doors) Set fire to Garda vehicles (done Monday evening) Stop people trying to get home from work (several cars were stopped as well as buses were stopped by the protestors) All this is protest? Looks to me like it's scumbag racists stoking on a group of young lads. And that's been caught btw the racists directing traffic This is the result of the government failing to interact with the local community. We have seen the same thing in Tipperary, Wexford, Galway, Limerick, Cork. When they constantly push people into a corner this is the result. Over 80% of the country has said we have taken in to many. Services already stretched, shortage of housing, doctors, a healthcare system in shambles. These people should be deported on the next flight if they arrive with no documents. Instead we house, feed, clothed them and give them pocket money. Enough is enough. Let me ask you a question. How many is enough for you? The problems you have raised in your post are the result of an inept government cutting funding and not doing as their constituents want. Not the asylum seekers fault. The people who want you to think it's the asylum seekers fault are the ones making money from this. They see the likes of Tommy Robinson making a mint from his shite and think oh he doesn't have to work and makes all this money so I'll do that. It's a hateful narrative aimed at punching down on the lesser fortunate
These people ain't genuine. The government even admitted this. They are economic migrants. They need to be deported. They are breaking the law entering the country without documentation. Yet we reward them. And your right this is all down to this government. They need to go, but the problem is we have no one to replace them.
But I'll ask you the question again. How many should we let in before you say we're full?"We aren't full though. At last count (a few months old I think) they were 31,000 active asylum seekers in Ireland. At a population of just over 5 million living in Ireland the percentage of asylum seeker would between 1.5 and 1.7 of the total population. Again that Ireland is full bollox is just another way at punching down on the lesser fortunate. | |||
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" These people ain't genuine What is a genuine person?" At least 3 veris? And no cams cause they don't count Immigration policy sorted | |||
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"Anyone know what should happen to the undocumented Irish living in America Or economic migrants as some people would call them on here " They'll be deported if found. And they faced similar abuse when they went to America. They were not welcomed with open arms. They grafted hard in low paid dangerous jobs and had zero assistance from the state. Let's try to be realistic when making comparisons. That said, we should know how and why people migrate and be more understanding because of our own difficulties. Again as said by many already, this is a situation that our government handled badly and it is not a recent problem. It most definitely is not the fault of anyone migrating here for what ever reason. Humans just need to be kinder to each other and politicians need to do their jobs properly. Hateful protests achieve nothing. Maybe migrants and Irish should stand together and force the government to find workable solutions. Wouldn't that be something that couldn't be ignored. | |||
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"Anyone know what should happen to the undocumented Irish living in America Or economic migrants as some people would call them on here " Burn them out of their homes and send them home apparently. There are 60,000 vacant homes in Ireland and 56,000 homeless people. But yea the problem is the people wanting to contribute to society and make a better life for themselves and their families | |||
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" These people ain't genuine What is a genuine person? Someone that comes through the proper channels. Not someone who destroys documents on route. Not people who have been living in the UK for years and who are now coming here in vast numbers. People who are relocating from other safe countries to come here for the benefits. That's what I mean. Things are great now, as the economy is doing well and this government are spending money on these people like it's never going to run out. What's going to happen when we get a downturn in the economy? How are we going to continue paying for this when it happens?" Did none of your family emigrate to the UK or America or Australia from Ireland (a safe country) for the benefits? Some (not all granted) refugees destroy their documents so that their governments cannot track their whereabouts. It’s not all as clear cut as you seem to think it is. | |||
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If the public order unit are advancing and tell you repeatedly to move out of the way, and you don't, you are not just some innocent bystander "Not to mention said innocent bystander was told to clear the area that morning and not to come back and then came back twice the second time resulting in the incident in the video. | |||
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"Anyone know what should happen to the undocumented Irish living in America Or economic migrants as some people would call them on here " They weren't given a free house, with a medical care and benefits. Plus when they are caught they should be deported and banned from reentering America. | |||
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"Anyone know what should happen to the undocumented Irish living in America Or economic migrants as some people would call them on here They weren't given a free house, with a medical care and benefits. Plus when they are caught they should be deported and banned from reentering America. " Irish people get free houses benefits and medical cards without doing anything for society | |||
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" These people ain't genuine What is a genuine person? Someone that comes through the proper channels. Not someone who destroys documents on route. Not people who have been living in the UK for years and who are now coming here in vast numbers. People who are relocating from other safe countries to come here for the benefits. That's what I mean. Things are great now, as the economy is doing well and this government are spending money on these people like it's never going to run out. What's going to happen when we get a downturn in the economy? How are we going to continue paying for this when it happens?" "We" will pay for it by allowing these people to have jobs and pay tax and contribute to the country. We need to allow them to pay to themselves, so they arent forced to be a burden on taxpayers. | |||
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" These people ain't genuine What is a genuine person? Someone that comes through the proper channels. Not someone who destroys documents on route. Not people who have been living in the UK for years and who are now coming here in vast numbers. People who are relocating from other safe countries to come here for the benefits. That's what I mean. Things are great now, as the economy is doing well and this government are spending money on these people like it's never going to run out. What's going to happen when we get a downturn in the economy? How are we going to continue paying for this when it happens? Did none of your family emigrate to the UK or America or Australia from Ireland (a safe country) for the benefits? Some (not all granted) refugees destroy their documents so that their governments cannot track their whereabouts. It’s not all as clear cut as you seem to think it is. " I've worked all over the world myself. But I done it legally. Applied for a visa, had to do a medical and a background checks. Had to have 5 grand in my account. Was hired because of my skill. As soon as the contract ended I was on route back home. I didn't claim welfare or a medical or gifted accommodation. I worked paid taxes and obeyed the law of the land. Plus what alot of ye don't understand is the culture that these people are bringing with them. If you've never worked or lived in a Islamic country, you will never understand the consequences of what will come if things ain't checked. The life style we live wouldn't be tolerated. And before you start spouting your a racist or any of the other bullshit that people like to throw out. I'm none of the above. Ireland needs people to come work, we always have and always will. But it must be controlled. We need to have control over our borders, we need to only let in the people that we require inbthe work force. Strict visa policies. At the minute we have a free for all. People saying we ain't full, yet we have hundreds sleeping rough in tents. We have 14k Irish in need of a home. We have communities been forced to take people in against the will of the locals. This is just stupidity at the highest order. | |||
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Not to mention said innocent bystander was told to clear the area that morning and not to come back and then came back twice the second time resulting in the incident in the video. "Where did you get this information? | |||
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"Anyone know what should happen to the undocumented Irish living in America Or economic migrants as some people would call them on here They weren't given a free house, with a medical care and benefits. Plus when they are caught they should be deported and banned from reentering America. Irish people get free houses benefits and medical cards without doing anything for society " They are our own, we don't need to be importing more. The government could cut the welfare for long term unemployed every 12 months to force them back out to work if they have no genuine reason to on welfare. | |||
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"knocking over an innocent guy here Public Order Unit Day 2 Coolock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNa_Y1HVJwo All you did there was proved my point
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Not to mention said innocent bystander was told to clear the area that morning and not to come back and then came back twice the second time resulting in the incident in the video.
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"I blame the USA and exxon mobile for destabilising the middle East and pillaging Africa and heating up the planet. Creating the perfect storm for mass migration. The USA caused this and Europe is dealing with the brunt of it. Europe needs to regulate migration. The free for all isn't working. We ve had poor migration policies, public housing and healthcare infrastructure for decades. Migrants are fleeing trauma, we need to identify the number that we can adequately support and have functioning healthcare and public housing to support them and everyone else. If we understood the capped number that we can support, it might calm people down a little. Private homeowners that have paid for a second home/holiday home are not responsible for housing anyone else. There will always be some vacant homes, people are entitled to do whatever they want with their properties. Counting the number of empty properties is not the solution. Government building more social housing is. Understanding what we can realistically achieve, supporting people properly, not having people in tents, deflating social hostilities. Not shouting people down, but listening to their concerns. " 100% | |||
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" These people ain't genuine What is a genuine person? Someone that comes through the proper channels. Not someone who destroys documents on route. Not people who have been living in the UK for years and who are now coming here in vast numbers. People who are relocating from other safe countries to come here for the benefits. That's what I mean. Things are great now, as the economy is doing well and this government are spending money on these people like it's never going to run out. What's going to happen when we get a downturn in the economy? How are we going to continue paying for this when it happens? Did none of your family emigrate to the UK or America or Australia from Ireland (a safe country) for the benefits? Some (not all granted) refugees destroy their documents so that their governments cannot track their whereabouts. It’s not all as clear cut as you seem to think it is. I've worked all over the world myself. But I done it legally. Applied for a visa, had to do a medical and a background checks. Had to have 5 grand in my account. Was hired because of my skill. As soon as the contract ended I was on route back home. I didn't claim welfare or a medical or gifted accommodation. I worked paid taxes and obeyed the law of the land. Plus what alot of ye don't understand is the culture that these people are bringing with them. If you've never worked or lived in a Islamic country, you will never understand the consequences of what will come if things ain't checked. The life style we live wouldn't be tolerated. And before you start spouting your a racist or any of the other bullshit that people like to throw out. I'm none of the above. Ireland needs people to come work, we always have and always will. But it must be controlled. We need to have control over our borders, we need to only let in the people that we require inbthe work force. Strict visa policies. At the minute we have a free for all. People saying we ain't full, yet we have hundreds sleeping rough in tents. We have 14k Irish in need of a home. We have communities been forced to take people in against the will of the locals. This is just stupidity at the highest order." Sure they all love the Alla Akbar type, 20,000 + a year should keep them happy | |||
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"knocking over an innocent guy here Public Order Unit Day 2 Coolock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNa_Y1HVJwo All you did there was proved my point
If the public order unit are advancing and tell you repeatedly to move out of the way, and you don't, you are not just some innocent bystander
Not to mention said innocent bystander was told to clear the area that morning and not to come back and then came back twice the second time resulting in the incident in the video.
Where did you get this information?
Twitter. footage of him being told by the gardai to fuck off twice. These lads aren't the brightest posting their own Ls online "Can you post it? | |||
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"knocking over an innocent guy here Public Order Unit Day 2 Coolock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNa_Y1HVJwo All you did there was proved my point
If the public order unit are advancing and tell you repeatedly to move out of the way, and you don't, you are not just some innocent bystander
Not to mention said innocent bystander was told to clear the area that morning and not to come back and then came back twice the second time resulting in the incident in the video.
Where did you get this information?
Twitter. footage of him being told by the gardai to fuck off twice. These lads aren't the brightest posting their own Ls online
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"knocking over an innocent guy here Public Order Unit Day 2 Coolock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNa_Y1HVJwo All you did there was proved my point
If the public order unit are advancing and tell you repeatedly to move out of the way, and you don't, you are not just some innocent bystander
Not to mention said innocent bystander was told to clear the area that morning and not to come back and then came back twice the second time resulting in the incident in the video.
Where did you get this information?
Twitter. footage of him being told by the gardai to fuck off twice. These lads aren't the brightest posting their own Ls online
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He's way more innocent then the welcome brigade anyday"Innocence is like pregnancy. There are no degrees of it. You either are or you aren't. There are however, degrees of guilt. | |||
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"knocking over an innocent guy here Public Order Unit Day 2 Coolock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNa_Y1HVJwo All you did there was proved my point
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He's way more innocent then the welcome brigade anyday
Innocence is like pregnancy. There are no degrees of it. You either are or you aren't.
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"knocking over an innocent guy here Public Order Unit Day 2 Coolock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNa_Y1HVJwo All you did there was proved my point
If the public order unit are advancing and tell you repeatedly to move out of the way, and you don't, you are not just some innocent bystander
Not to mention said innocent bystander was told to clear the area that morning and not to come back and then came back twice the second time resulting in the incident in the video.
Where did you get this information?
Twitter. footage of him being told by the gardai to fuck off twice. These lads aren't the brightest posting their own Ls online
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"knocking over an innocent guy here Public Order Unit Day 2 Coolock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNa_Y1HVJwo All you did there was proved my point
If the public order unit are advancing and tell you repeatedly to move out of the way, and you don't, you are not just some innocent bystander
He's way more innocent then the welcome brigade anyday
Innocence is like pregnancy. There are no degrees of it. You either are or you aren't.
There are however, degrees of guilt.
Somehow I don't think he will feel guilty if 500+ men won't be entering crown paints "He'll have slowed it down at least, and certainly made it cost more, thereby depriving someone somewhere else if valuable resources. You might be able to answer my earlier question... Why are the right wing councillors on DCC supporting the government parties there if they believe the policies of the same parties are the problem? Why do they blame the parties who have never been in government for government policy while supporting those same government parties in local authorities? | |||
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"knocking over an innocent guy here Public Order Unit Day 2 Coolock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNa_Y1HVJwo All you did there was proved my point
If the public order unit are advancing and tell you repeatedly to move out of the way, and you don't, you are not just some innocent bystander
Not to mention said innocent bystander was told to clear the area that morning and not to come back and then came back twice the second time resulting in the incident in the video.
Where did you get this information?
Twitter. footage of him being told by the gardai to fuck off twice. These lads aren't the brightest posting their own Ls online
Can you post it?
Site doesn't allow those links.
This link is ok but can't post your Twitter link?
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"knocking over an innocent guy here Public Order Unit Day 2 Coolock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNa_Y1HVJwo All you did there was proved my point
If the public order unit are advancing and tell you repeatedly to move out of the way, and you don't, you are not just some innocent bystander
He's way more innocent then the welcome brigade anyday
Innocence is like pregnancy. There are no degrees of it. You either are or you aren't.
There are however, degrees of guilt.
Somehow I don't think he will feel guilty if 500+ men won't be entering crown paints
He'll have slowed it down at least, and certainly made it cost more, thereby depriving someone somewhere else if valuable resources.
You might be able to answer my earlier question... Why are the right wing councillors on DCC supporting the government parties there if they believe the policies of the same parties are the problem? Why do they blame the parties who have never been in government for government policy while supporting those same government parties in local authorities? "I think you should ask them yourself | |||
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"knocking over an innocent guy here Public Order Unit Day 2 Coolock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNa_Y1HVJwo All you did there was proved my point
If the public order unit are advancing and tell you repeatedly to move out of the way, and you don't, you are not just some innocent bystander
He's way more innocent then the welcome brigade anyday
Innocence is like pregnancy. There are no degrees of it. You either are or you aren't.
There are however, degrees of guilt.
Somehow I don't think he will feel guilty if 500+ men won't be entering crown paints
He'll have slowed it down at least, and certainly made it cost more, thereby depriving someone somewhere else if valuable resources.
You might be able to answer my earlier question... Why are the right wing councillors on DCC supporting the government parties there if they believe the policies of the same parties are the problem? Why do they blame the parties who have never been in government for government policy while supporting those same government parties in local authorities?
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