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"With his red tie and his declarations about taking the Irish flag back? I thought there was a Trump vibe from his speech last night. Maybe FG are trying to appeal to the struggling rural Irish people. Any thoughts? " I think it was just more of a reaction to the tri-colour being on that scumbags coffin last week! Expect this to become more of a talking point in the coming weeks, considering it was SF who chauffeured said scumbag out of Castlerea on his release! | |||
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"With his red tie and his declarations about taking the Irish flag back? I thought there was a Trump vibe from his speech last night. Maybe FG are trying to appeal to the struggling rural Irish people. Any thoughts? I think it was just more of a reaction to the tri-colour being on that scumbags coffin last week! Expect this to become more of a talking point in the coming weeks, considering it was SF who chauffeured said scumbag out of Castlerea on his release!" Yes but its ok to muder Gardai.....its not ok to try to murder your wife | |||
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"With his red tie and his declarations about taking the Irish flag back? I thought there was a Trump vibe from his speech last night. Maybe FG are trying to appeal to the struggling rural Irish people. Any thoughts? I think it was just more of a reaction to the tri-colour being on that scumbags coffin last week! Expect this to become more of a talking point in the coming weeks, considering it was SF who chauffeured said scumbag out of Castlerea on his release! Yes but its ok to muder Gardai.....its not ok to try to murder your wife " Holy fuck!!!!  | |||
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"With his red tie and his declarations about taking the Irish flag back? I thought there was a Trump vibe from his speech last night. Maybe FG are trying to appeal to the struggling rural Irish people. Any thoughts? I think it was just more of a reaction to the tri-colour being on that scumbags coffin last week! Expect this to become more of a talking point in the coming weeks, considering it was SF who chauffeured said scumbag out of Castlerea on his release! Yes but its ok to muder Gardai.....its not ok to try to murder your wife " Ya, stabbing your wife, multiple times in front of your kids on Christmas Eve, was just a stretch to far! | |||
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"Yes, and to illuminate to the young voters where SFs morals are, in the gutter. " The problem for FG and FF is that the young voters mostly only know the ceasefire in Northern Ireland and not what happened in the past so SF are not a toxic party to them Sooner or later SF will be in power either alone or as part of a coalition Then they'll have to be judged on how they do and not on their soundbites which could be a rude awaking for them and the voters | |||
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"You would think he would be more worried about arsonists, racism, the housing crisis, the health care crisis (which he had a large hand in) the cost of living crisis or any of the other problems in this country rather then a flag being draped over a coffin. " Bit worrying that housing and health weren't mentioned in his speech He did mention small businesses for some reason | |||
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"You would think he would be more worried about arsonists, racism, the housing crisis, the health care crisis (which he had a large hand in) the cost of living crisis or any of the other problems in this country rather then a flag being draped over a coffin. Bit worrying that housing and health weren't mentioned in his speech He did mention small businesses for some reason " Of course they weren't. Had to score points on Sinn Fein. They don't have a solid plan for either other then throw money at it and not hold the people spending accountable | |||
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"You would think he would be more worried about arsonists, racism, the housing crisis, the health care crisis (which he had a large hand in) the cost of living crisis or any of the other problems in this country rather then a flag being draped over a coffin. " These are issues in every Western democratic country in the world. But a political party with a terrorist wing, stealing our countries signature, and murdering the police force is not as much an issue in other western democratic countries, to be fair! | |||
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"You would think he would be more worried about arsonists, racism, the housing crisis, the health care crisis (which he had a large hand in) the cost of living crisis or any of the other problems in this country rather then a flag being draped over a coffin. These are issues in every Western democratic country in the world. But a political party with a terrorist wing, stealing our countries signature, and murdering the police force is not as much an issue in other western democratic countries, to be fair!" You would think these issues would be more important to him though. might be issues the world over but these are issues his government have made worse since they started in power. | |||
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"Yes, and to illuminate to the young voters where SFs morals are, in the gutter. " Not only this but Sinn Feins ability to ensure cooperation and growth on an institutional level. My guess is that Sinn Fein will get into government and will be locked out of absolutely everything possible to ensure they can't make good. They'll be hamstrung and that combined their lack of experience in governance and leadership will make delivering anything very challenging. | |||
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"Yes, and to illuminate to the young voters where SFs morals are, in the gutter. Not only this but Sinn Feins ability to ensure cooperation and growth on an institutional level. My guess is that Sinn Fein will get into government and will be locked out of absolutely everything possible to ensure they can't make good. They'll be hamstrung and that combined their lack of experience in governance and leadership will make delivering anything very challenging." I'm not buying that excuse! They've just spent years making promise after promise to the youth of this country. If they wrote checks they can't cash, that's their fault, nobody else's! | |||
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"Yes, and to illuminate to the young voters where SFs morals are, in the gutter. Not only this but Sinn Feins ability to ensure cooperation and growth on an institutional level. My guess is that Sinn Fein will get into government and will be locked out of absolutely everything possible to ensure they can't make good. They'll be hamstrung and that combined their lack of experience in governance and leadership will make delivering anything very challenging. I'm not buying that excuse! They've just spent years making promise after promise to the youth of this country. If they wrote checks they can't cash, that's their fault, nobody else's!" Do you mean locked out by the civil service | |||
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"Yes, and to illuminate to the young voters where SFs morals are, in the gutter. Not only this but Sinn Feins ability to ensure cooperation and growth on an institutional level. My guess is that Sinn Fein will get into government and will be locked out of absolutely everything possible to ensure they can't make good. They'll be hamstrung and that combined their lack of experience in governance and leadership will make delivering anything very challenging. I'm not buying that excuse! They've just spent years making promise after promise to the youth of this country. If they wrote checks they can't cash, that's their fault, nobody else's!" Oh don't get me wrong. I'm not an apologist for SF by any stretch of the imagination. I just believe those are going to be additional factors in their failure. | |||
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"Yes, and to illuminate to the young voters where SFs morals are, in the gutter. The problem for FG and FF is that the young voters mostly only know the ceasefire in Northern Ireland and not what happened in the past so SF are not a toxic party to them Sooner or later SF will be in power either alone or as part of a coalition Then they'll have to be judged on how they do and not on their soundbites which could be a rude awaking for them and the voters " I'm sure they will do exactly what they do up north (the opposite to what they say they will do here) And then 1. Abolish the special criminal court 2. Referendum on PR voting v single non transferrable vote 3. Re-introduction of a 3rd, higher, tax band | |||
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" Do you mean locked out by the civil service " And institutional investors, the construction industry etc. SF really only promise disruption to what's long been a gravy train for everyone involved with government.. | |||
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" Do you mean locked out by the civil service And institutional investors, the construction industry etc. SF really only promise disruption to what's long been a gravy train for everyone involved with government.. " It's been a gravy train for SF too, if Mary Lou s extension and refurb indicate unusual spending patterns. | |||
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"Yes, and to illuminate to the young voters where SFs morals are, in the gutter. The problem for FG and FF is that the young voters mostly only know the ceasefire in Northern Ireland and not what happened in the past so SF are not a toxic party to them Sooner or later SF will be in power either alone or as part of a coalition Then they'll have to be judged on how they do and not on their soundbites which could be a rude awaking for them and the voters I'm sure they will do exactly what they do up north (the opposite to what they say they will do here) And then 1. Abolish the special criminal court 2. Referendum on PR voting v single non transferrable vote 3. Re-introduction of a 3rd, higher, tax band " The abolition of the special criminal court is probbaly their main objective. It's difficult for ypur associates to run a proper drugs cartel with that hanging over them! Politics can be such an interesting game, if SF get into power next year it will likely coincide with Kinahans extradition back home, where he will be before the SPC. Try lobbying to abolish it then! | |||
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"Have to be honest and admit at the moment I'm probably going to give SF a vote I always assumed that I never would.....hate them with a passion But now ....I voted for the good friday agreement and if the people from NI vote them it they lived through what I hated most about SF so shouldn't I move on to I also think a rising boat didnt lift everyone at the same rate and I have adults living at home that will never afford their own house at this stage FG/ FF / Greens / Labour have fucked up this country Maybe SF can change things or should be given a chance I'd like if they were in coalition so that certain depts were with the other partner " No party will be anywhere near forming a government. Its most likely to be an SF/FF coalition, considering Mary Lous background. Be uproar in the student unions  | |||
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"Have to be honest and admit at the moment I'm probably going to give SF a vote I always assumed that I never would.....hate them with a passion But now ....I voted for the good friday agreement and if the people from NI vote them it they lived through what I hated most about SF so shouldn't I move on to I also think a rising boat didnt lift everyone at the same rate and I have adults living at home that will never afford their own house at this stage FG/ FF / Greens / Labour have fucked up this country Maybe SF can change things or should be given a chance I'd like if they were in coalition so that certain depts were with the other partner " I'd agree with that. SF is the strategic vote and I do think they will have their chance. They just don't have a clean house and I fear their first term has enormous potential to be a disaster for them. | |||
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"You would think he would be more worried about arsonists, racism, the housing crisis, the health care crisis (which he had a large hand in) the cost of living crisis or any of the other problems in this country rather then a flag being draped over a coffin. These are issues in every Western democratic country in the world. " So what youre saying is that every western democratic country are just struggeling socities is crisis...so not good then and not working for the people, just doing the work of corporations and making money for the wealthy, got it, I totally agree! | |||
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"You would think he would be more worried about arsonists, racism, the housing crisis, the health care crisis (which he had a large hand in) the cost of living crisis or any of the other problems in this country rather then a flag being draped over a coffin. These are issues in every Western democratic country in the world. So what youre saying is that every western democratic country are just struggeling socities is crisis...so not good then and not working for the people, just doing the work of corporations and making money for the wealthy, got it, I totally agree! " That's just your western, first world privilege. If you had to live in a real struggling society you'd get a much better understanding of why so many immigrants want to come this way! They know real struggle! I don't agree with alot of capitalism, especially the hard-core American version. But its a simple fact of life, in the history of mankind, nothing has pulled more people out of poverty like capitalism has. The type of politics we get from PBP and sometimes from SF, is tried and tested failure, starvation and death. | |||
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"You would think he would be more worried about arsonists, racism, the housing crisis, the health care crisis (which he had a large hand in) the cost of living crisis or any of the other problems in this country rather then a flag being draped over a coffin. These are issues in every Western democratic country in the world. So what youre saying is that every western democratic country are just struggeling socities is crisis...so not good then and not working for the people, just doing the work of corporations and making money for the wealthy, got it, I totally agree! That's just your western, first world privilege. If you had to live in a real struggling society you'd get a much better understanding of why so many immigrants want to come this way! They know real struggle! I don't agree with alot of capitalism, especially the hard-core American version. But its a simple fact of life, in the history of mankind, nothing has pulled more people out of poverty like capitalism has. The type of politics we get from PBP and sometimes from SF, is tried and tested failure, starvation and death." Avoiding extremes of capitalism we can also see that Ireland used to have a social housing policy and no longer does really. What will renters do when they are pensioners? I agree with most of what you say, but observe that we do have an extreme of capitalism in Ireland because of the wealthy gap. In a balanced economy hard work and good management of cash should allow a worker contemplate buying a house with reasonable hope. I'm lucky owning a house, no mortgage. Vast number of my peers will never own a house, many of my colleagues fear mortgage rates changes. | |||
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" Avoiding extremes of capitalism we can also see that Ireland used to have a social housing policy and no longer does really. What will renters do when they are pensioners? I agree with most of what you say, but observe that we do have an extreme of capitalism in Ireland because of the wealthy gap. In a balanced economy hard work and good management of cash should allow a worker contemplate buying a house with reasonable hope. I'm lucky owning a house, no mortgage. Vast number of my peers will never own a house, many of my colleagues fear mortgage rates changes. " On housing, we've never recovered from the 08 collapse. Long-term, its a real concern. Especially when you look at the figure's required just to maintain people immigrating here or those returning from abroad. That's not even counting for the natural growth of the population, the targets are practically unachievable and not being helped by planning delays and labour shortages! I remember back around 2011 a large Auctioneering firm calling for the government to commence more building, this was in the midst of NAMA and ghost estates. Everybody laughed at them. But they were just working off simple data! | |||
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"I'm very disappointed by the SF bashing. After a hundred years of one or other party being in government with an occasional add on. The default is to bash SF at the first opertunity. The only two parties really not to come out of the war of independence and a civil war are the Greens and PBP. Everyone else has old history much of it mixed. Until people learn to vote for change no change will ever happen. People vote for what their parents voted etc and repeat the rhetoric of which propaganda sides with them. It would be great to see change, and if that doesn't fulfill the needs bring on the next change. Then eventually we will have politics serving the needs of people not their own selfish ergo or career. So if or when SF get in and fail, bring on the next ones and so on until we have fit for purpose leaders. " Honestly I don't think I'm bashing SF in my comments. I just think they are facing major challenges both within their own party and in the country they are going to have to run. I do believe in voting for change and I've also been witness to how the populist vote for change can have far reaching consequences. | |||
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"Politics is a very strange animal at the moment and not just in Ireland . Seems that all parties and individuals are going the populist route of getting votes and have strayed from actual policies and more importantly getting the work actually done. Sound bites are political currency which are short term and only play up to a certain section at different times. Yes politics has to be quick moving but there is a lot to be said for long term thinking. I think that’s the most I’ve ever said here, sorry lol" That's simply a reflection of how shallow and superficial society in general has become - all image, no substance | |||
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"You would think he would be more worried about arsonists, racism, the housing crisis, the health care crisis (which he had a large hand in) the cost of living crisis or any of the other problems in this country rather then a flag being draped over a coffin. These are issues in every Western democratic country in the world. So what youre saying is that every western democratic country are just struggeling socities is crisis...so not good then and not working for the people, just doing the work of corporations and making money for the wealthy, got it, I totally agree! That's just your western, first world privilege. If you had to live in a real struggling society you'd get a much better understanding of why so many immigrants want to come this way! They know real struggle! I don't agree with alot of capitalism, especially the hard-core American version. But its a simple fact of life, in the history of mankind, nothing has pulled more people out of poverty like capitalism has. The type of politics we get from PBP and sometimes from SF, is tried and tested failure, starvation and death." nothing has pulled more people out of poverty like capitalism has. I think its likely vice versa as well, nothing has put more people in poverty than capitalism has. | |||
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"Yes, and to illuminate to the young voters where SFs morals are, in the gutter. The problem for FG and FF is that the young voters mostly only know the ceasefire in Northern Ireland and not what happened in the past so SF are not a toxic party to them Sooner or later SF will be in power either alone or as part of a coalition Then they'll have to be judged on how they do and not on their soundbites which could be a rude awaking for them and the voters " The thing to remember is that the whole 'they can't be worse than that other shower' argument was probably being argued in Munich in 1932....some may think a bad argument but 'just saying'... | |||
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"There's also the saying: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results... " And there's an expression, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater... | |||
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"I've voted SF the past 4/5 times. anything would be better than what we have." I dont think they are the solution but I do think they need a term in office to prove it either way. Given that in N.Ire they behave like FF-FG-GP I think they will prove that they are too similar to be the solution. But after 1 term of them proving that we will see Voters consider seriously the emerging options. | |||
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"Simon Harris and FG are on damage limitation duties for the next year. Probably a fear that they will get wiped out in the next general election. They seen what happened to Labour and how they still haven't recovered. And don't want the same to happen to them. Although I don't think they will suffer as bad as Labour, they will lose lots of seats and some that would have been FG strongholds for generations. On a side note it's funny that Labour can't even get a look in especially given that the the other parties aren't exactly going strong" FG will get less than 20 seats next year. The bright sparks in the party have allowed the deluded fool Harris to throw himself under the bus. The recovery will start under a female leader and they'll be in a good position in 3 or 4 years after SF over tax everyone and everything. | |||
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"He ll get the taoiseach s pension and will be in the job less than a year. " Most likely yeah. They're in it for themselves. | |||
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"He ll get the taoiseach s pension and will be in the job less than a year. Most likely yeah. They're in it for themselves." If we know anything about politicians they say what the people want to hear ,he knows the huge unrest of how the Irish feel of the way the country is going and the amount of undocumented men coming in and he like all others in the past will feed into what we want to hear and will not deliver it ,they are of a different breed of Irish | |||
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"He ll get the taoiseach s pension and will be in the job less than a year. " Golden Parachute. Same as Cowen | |||
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"He has to try win votes somehow, and talking up the tricolour is his weak attempt at wooing nationalists. He's going to get flogged at the ge and everyone knows it" He wasn't trying to woo nationalists at all. He spoke about how FG founded AGS. He was giving a dig to SF as it was their cohort who draped the tri-colur over a terrorists coffin just last week. A man that had murdered gardai. | |||
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"He has to try win votes somehow, and talking up the tricolour is his weak attempt at wooing nationalists. He's going to get flogged at the ge and everyone knows it He wasn't trying to woo nationalists at all. He spoke about how FG founded AGS. He was giving a dig to SF as it was their cohort who draped the tri-colur over a terrorists coffin just last week. A man that had murdered gardai." That's who SF are and people seem to ignore that, it's correct to remind them though even if some see that as an inconvenient truth. A leopard doesn't (and in this case hasn't) change it's spots. | |||
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