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"I'd prefer to pay on a first date. Probably just social conditioning as I can't think of any particular reason other than good manners and that the other person has had to put up with me waffling on and shouldn't have to pay for the privilege " Need to provide a tips jar on the date then... | |||
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" He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope " ^^^^^^^ I don't understand what you mean OP when you say.... "He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope" You wouldn't verify him cos he wanted coffee & cake & you wanted tap water.. It doesn't make sense to me soz. | |||
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"Just watched first dates and got me thinking. First meet = who pays Hotel meet =who pays If you're definitely not into your partner, do split the bill or sit back. Any meanness stories that you're willing to share from the fab world or not? The help a fabber..(l helped) . He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope " To be fair, if the first meet is a "help a fabber" meet than the guy you helped was morally obliged to but you coffee and cake. You were helping him and the only veri he deserved was "I met him and he was tight in the wrong way". If it's a first date - the person who asked the other out should pay, unless the other has been nasty in what they ordered. Keep things reasonable and appreciate to how the meet is going. Be fair. If a hotel room is involved it depends on context. Was there a reason one person would have been paying for it regardless of meeting, like work or a planned event that the partner happened to join. But if two people agree to meet for a night, I'd say 50:50 with adjustment for who travelled or circumstances. On my last meet I looked after the room and she the food and toys. That was about a 60:40 split but I was happy with the 60%. I felt it fair. I came twice and she came about a dozen times. It was messy, squirty fun. | |||
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" He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope ^^^^^^^ I don't understand what you mean OP when you say.... "He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope" You wouldn't verify him cos he wanted coffee & cake & you wanted tap water.. It doesn't make sense to me soz. " I was confused by this too. Who pays for what shouldn't have any bearing on someone getting verified or not | |||
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"If im meeting someone i pay as its the right thing to do same with hotel thats just the way i am " How would you feel if you paid for dinner, drinks at the bar, hotel bill, and everything for a whole evening and night, and then she changed her mind about touching you at the last min? It's that power balance that creates an unhealthy situation where he may have expectations and she might feel pressured. Half/half | |||
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"If im meeting someone i pay as its the right thing to do same with hotel thats just the way i am How would you feel if you paid for dinner, drinks at the bar, hotel bill, and everything for a whole evening and night, and then she changed her mind about touching you at the last min? It's that power balance that creates an unhealthy situation where he may have expectations and she might feel pressured. Half/half" Absolutely, although men always seem to insist on buying coffee in my experience. Sometimes I preempt by just getting my own before joining him. Or if I suggested the coffee I'll point out that the invite was on my side. Rooms we pay because we will be staying, they/he will be leaving! | |||
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"I don't agree with the bs that a gent should pay for everything because then the sex becomes transactional. He's paid for the room so I owe him a shag thought process. I don't meet without a social and I'm happy buying coffee etc and more often than not there will be a second social before any discussion about hotels and the woman is more than welcome to pay for coffee on that occasion. Hotel bills will always be split as will distance travelled to cut down on expectations on either side. " I agree 100% on above. | |||
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" He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope ^^^^^^^ I don't understand what you mean OP when you say.... "He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope" You wouldn't verify him cos he wanted coffee & cake & you wanted tap water.. It doesn't make sense to me soz. I was confused by this too. Who pays for what shouldn't have any bearing on someone getting verified or not " Was confused myself too.....because the guy bought his coffee and cake and didn't get you anything op, he doesn't get verified!? The guy did the respectful thing and turned up (not all turn up for these coffee meets to get verified, too many timewasters) so for that reason I'd have verified him whether he bought a coffee or not! I'd have given him some advice on things alright...... I wouldn't hold it against him for not buying you coffee or cake!! | |||
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"The only hotel related issue I've ever had was on my very first fab meet when I had paid for the room but walked out and left the woman there because she was a fruitloop. Travelling distances have been more of an issue and the expectation that because I had driven 3½ hours I must be keen to fuck her and there was nothing to stop me doing it again and again if and when she was horny." The reason we don't allow anyone to travel far specifically to meet us, is that it creates expectations. Particularly for social meets as they may think that the expense and time taken for them means something is owed. We always say you don't need to travel here and back once, you need to be happy to do it twice as the first is a social. In reality we may play on a first date, but it's best to assume the worst and set expectations for that. | |||
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"The only hotel related issue I've ever had was on my very first fab meet when I had paid for the room but walked out and left the woman there because she was a fruitloop. Travelling distances have been more of an issue and the expectation that because I had driven 3½ hours I must be keen to fuck her and there was nothing to stop me doing it again and again if and when she was horny. The reason we don't allow anyone to travel far specifically to meet us, is that it creates expectations. Particularly for social meets as they may think that the expense and time taken for them means something is owed. We always say you don't need to travel here and back once, you need to be happy to do it twice as the first is a social. In reality we may play on a first date, but it's best to assume the worst and set expectations for that." I m the same, always a social meet, always tell people to just let me know when they are passing by. Don't travel long distance for a 15 minute chat. | |||
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"The only hotel related issue I've ever had was on my very first fab meet when I had paid for the room but walked out and left the woman there because she was a fruitloop. Travelling distances have been more of an issue and the expectation that because I had driven 3½ hours I must be keen to fuck her and there was nothing to stop me doing it again and again if and when she was horny. The reason we don't allow anyone to travel far specifically to meet us, is that it creates expectations. Particularly for social meets as they may think that the expense and time taken for them means something is owed. We always say you don't need to travel here and back once, you need to be happy to do it twice as the first is a social. In reality we may play on a first date, but it's best to assume the worst and set expectations for that." I've never travelled more than an hour for a one on one social meet. I drove 3½ hours just once to a fab event but the woman believed I was there to meet her and insisted that it was only 3½ hours which was nothing really if she was horny. There was no expectation on my part. I've gone to social meets knowing it was going no further and I was never going to see the person again but it was a good way of touching base after chatting for so long. | |||
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"I must say in PDI and the swingers resorts in general, the expectation is that the men pay. Not saying it's right or wrong. What I find weird, is these dommy men, who want to be dominant, but then split bills..... Lols... They are only dommy when it suits them, quite happy to be pampered and babied when their dom fantasy is over. I m not into Don's or subs, prefer sensible equity in all things. " My first year in PDI and for a single man it was 50 into the club So a woman in the group in the pub who I never met offered to go in with me as a couple so I paid the 30 entry fee in for both of us and split the 4 free drinks She actually showed me around the club into the play areas and explained all the rules which I appreciated | |||
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"I don't overthink who pays for a coffee. Same as if I'm there with a friend. It's usually whoever gets to the till first. Usually the other person pays if there's a second coffee. That feels natural. I've always split hotel bills unless they only come round for a couple of hours in which case I just ask them for a percentage of the time in the room." I'm joking about the hotel costs btw... | |||
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" I've always split hotel bills unless they only come round for a couple of hours in which case I just ask them for a percentage of the time in the room. I'm joking about the hotel costs btw..." Glad you clarified although it would not at all surprise me from some people. Ill automatically pay for coffee unless I'm told a person or couple wants to keep things separate. Although if there's more additions like cream, flavour shots, caramel drizzle then I'd have more of an issue with that morally then paying for a hotel room financially that doesn't get used | |||
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" He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope ^^^^^^^ I don't understand what you mean OP when you say.... "He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope" You wouldn't verify him cos he wanted coffee & cake & you wanted tap water.. It doesn't make sense to me soz. " What l mean was l wasnt even asked. I was helping him out. Basic courtesy should prevail. Its about sheer meanness. Quid pro quo etc. | |||
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"Btw.. Dont get caught up on my example above... I feel like lm being vilified for what was essentially a question on fairness, expectations, and balance. In terms of verification, the coffee issue was merely an indication of his personality and l wasn't happy to verify. There were other issues. Which brings full circle to aren't all veris positive... Do we believe them cos they got them. " | |||
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"First meet up (coffee, snacks). I pay at least she wants to and insists, no problem. Hotel. If I am on business trip a nice hotel is free, no problem. Hotel: if after an initial coffee meet up we agree to arrange a second one in a hotel I pay as well. Third and onwards to be agreed. " I would the the same...pay 1st social & pay 1st hotel meet room. | |||
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"I don't overthink who pays for a coffee. Same as if I'm there with a friend. It's usually whoever gets to the till first. Usually the other person pays if there's a second coffee. That feels natural. I've always split hotel bills unless they only come round for a couple of hours in which case I just ask them for a percentage of the time in the room. I'm joking about the hotel costs btw..." You had me there, I was just starting to type out a WTF message | |||
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" He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope ^^^^^^^ I don't understand what you mean OP when you say.... "He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope" You wouldn't verify him cos he wanted coffee & cake & you wanted tap water.. It doesn't make sense to me soz. What l mean was l wasnt even asked. I was helping him out. Basic courtesy should prevail. Its about sheer meanness. Quid pro quo etc." "Quid pro quo etc.".... Ok...."Quid pro quo" etc.".... = A favour for a favour.. never heard it before....that saying "Quid pro quo" etc.... Ok | |||
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" He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope ^^^^^^^ I don't understand what you mean OP when you say.... "He bought his coffee and cake, drank it and l got my tap water... He wanted his veri after... Ah nope" You wouldn't verify him cos he wanted coffee & cake & you wanted tap water.. It doesn't make sense to me soz. What l mean was l wasnt even asked. I was helping him out. Basic courtesy should prevail. Its about sheer meanness. Quid pro quo etc. "Quid pro quo etc.".... Ok...."Quid pro quo" etc.".... = A favour for a favour.. never heard it before....that saying "Quid pro quo" etc.... Ok " I get ya OP.....an Ignorant Man | |||
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"I've met people socially more than once and verified them each time and for their own reasons they have never displayed my verification or verified me in return. They regularly display new verifications and verify others so I have to assume that they don't want others to know they have met me." I have 2 veris I don’t display. One was incorrect as I had never met the people and the other the guy had gone into too much detail and that just isn’t stuff I would want people to know. | |||
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"I've met people socially more than once and verified them each time and for their own reasons they have never displayed my verification or verified me in return. They regularly display new verifications and verify others so I have to assume that they don't want others to know they have met me. I have 2 veris I don’t display. One was incorrect as I had never met the people and the other the guy had gone into too much detail and that just isn’t stuff I would want people to know. " I had to block someone I had met several times to remove my verification on his account cos he turned into a stalker, he appeared 'normal' for quite a long time but I was shocked that he was actually a wolf in sheep's clothing. | |||
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"I would always offer to pay … and even do it if i get an opportunity to and she agrees … i wont let money ruin the fun …" Exactly....Don't "let money ruin the fun"....I would never ever expect someone to buy me anything on a first meet or subsequent meets ever. | |||
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